Stand Up, Stand Up For Your Rights
[QUOTE=Zero Gravity;1260724]I was completely confused about this, but decided to go on, which turned out to be a big mistake. I felt that starting to negotiate about the extras at this point would just spoil the mood, but in fact not getting clarification to the issue spoiled my mood even more effectively.Soon I just completely lost my erection. She kept trying to get it up again using only her hands, but after a while I had to give up. I asked her to give me a back massage, so that I could at least get something more out of this session than just an extended handjob[/QUOTE]ZeroG-bummer. It happens. Sex between strangers, based on a commercial interest, carries bio-chemical and emotional risks. Sometimes (and it is rare, but does occur especially with a younger girl) , right in the middle of things she gets uncomfortable and tries to talk more to kill time or not do things promised. It has happened to me, and probably all of us.
As this was your first time, I would say 2 lessons here. First, you have to be sure before the door is closed, you feel confident enough on the communications side and on the more important vibes side that you both understand each other and that there is a minimum level of comfort and trust. It sort of sounds like you thought this, but only you can answer it, especially what vibe you think she (not you) felt. If you have the slightest doubt then, either be very sure by asking and confirming again, or asking to see another. One of the drawbacks to the bordellos is the short time you have to judge all this. RB usually makes a joke of the negotiation saying something like "I know it is very romantic to ask this but we agree on extras and that also, you are ok with me?" I really do ask that directly sometimes if I have some doubt. It is just silly to assume just because you pay, that a woman finds you sufficiently attractive to go through this. While even the money hungry ones will lie, you can watch the eyes and body language, and taking the extra 2 minutes to judge this before committing is time very well spent. This is much more difficult with animals, so take advantage of being with your own species.
Second, if you are in the middle of things inflagrante and suddenly the "deal terms" get completely scrambled, the best thing to do is stop right then. Ask to see the Hausmutti and explain what happened. Either you will get all or at least some of your money back, and or choose another. It is uncomfortable for all concerned but better than just suffering through what you know will be a bad session. Different bordells and Hausmuttis will of course handle this differently, but it is the way to go as it gives you a shot at redress, and they get useful feedback.
Anyway, as you can tell by the Forum, all this is pretty rare and you just gotten unlucky, in a good place. Don't be put off by this, there are plenty of other options. Now that you have some experience, you might even try Artemis, as you have no time pressure to make any fast decisions, and can interview candidates at length, and with all the tourists language issues are less, and you can even ask men who were just with one of your intendeds how she was. So don't give up, and good luck.
First post of a new Berliner.
Hello all,
First post here, longtime lurker.
I have moved from Paris to Berlin back in July 2011 and this forum, along with Angus Mc Gee's blog, has been a goldmine of information. I would like to thank everyone here for their contributions! .
I used to be a regular at the French forum Youppie. Net, where bobo. Fr also posts, and read regularly some German forums such as Poppreport. Com and Lusthaus. My German is not that great in conversation but I can manage and I'm pretty good at comprehension when reading German websites or newspapers. I think having some basic knowledge of German is a big plus in many situations and if you're an expat I highly recommend you get your German up to scratch.
The paid sex scene in Paris is not really favourable to the average punter, especially one on a budget and here in Berlin I feel like a kid in a candy shop! To sums things up you get prettier, younger girls at a much lower price and in a safer environment.
In the last few months I have sampled quite a few places, some brothels and appartments at the «lower-mid» end of the range, namely Freudenhaus Hase, Gina's Tango Rosa and Mona Lisa's Roses.
I have also been to the Erlebniswohnung gangbang place three times so far, quite the experience!
Rather than writing an overly long and bloated post, I'll try to organize my reports as follows, each one in a separate post:
-1. General write-up on Freudenhaus Hase (a place that doesn't get much coverage here I find).
-2. Summary of my three visits to Amelie at Freudenhaus Hase.
-3. Report on my visit to Ela at Freudenhaus Hase.
-4. Summary of my fifteen (!) or so visits to Milena at Freudenhaus Hase.
-5. Report on my visit to Steffi at Gina's Tango Rosa.
-6. Report on my visit to Moni at Mona Lisa's Roses.
-7. Report on my first visit to the Erlebniswohnung.
-8. Report on my second visit to the Erlebniswohnung.
-9. Report on my third visit to the Erlebniswohnung.
I tend to go to the «value for money» places as I often have this problem of coming too fast when the rythm / pace is not VERY slow at the beginning, after that I have no worries and can pump away for long periods. However I have found that many times when I don't know the girl I come way too soon, and I don't want to spend 80 to 120€ to ejaculate after five minutes. On the other hand if I just paid 30€ it's not that big a loss. This is why I haven't tried KD, Montrouge, Liberty, etc. Also in those higher end places asking for the shorter time with no extras doesn't seem to be overly popular with the management or girls. At Hase or some other places it's less of a problem, especially if you are a repeat customer. Anyway I have a limited budget that I try to stick to, about 160€ per month and I'd rather have four fucks at 40€ than a single one at 160€. But that's just me, I can understand some have other budget and / or strategies.
Cheers,
VeLoBerlin
Freudenhaus Hase brothel.
Hello all,
As promised this is my report on Freudenhaus Hase one of the few brothels in the classical sense in Germany (as opposed to appartment brothels and FKKs wich are a lot more common).
I will only go into generalities here, detailed reports on specific girls will follow.
I recommend you look up their website first at [url]http://www.freudenhaus-hase.de[/url], they have a good availability preview («*Anwesenheit*» at [url]http://www.freudenhaus-hase.de/html/anwesenheit.html[/url]) giving you the times a girl is present or not on any given day, this also tells you wich girls are on holiday («*Urlaub*»). This calendar is very accurate and it pays to check it often as they will update it regularly, on occasion several times a day. I got caught once by checking the calendar early in the morning to see if a girl was in that afternoon, I went later on only to find out she wasn't present (her shift had ended earlier that day) but when I got back home that evening I noticed the site had been updated since morning. I've learnt my lesson and now ALWAYS check the website just before I take public transport to get there.
The place has an interesting history as there was a few years ago both a theater play and an art exhibition were made inside the brothel. You can visit the German wikipedia site for more info. [url]http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freudenhaus_Hase[/url] They still put on all sorts of cultural events [url]http://www.freudenhaus-hase.de/html/kunst_kultur.html[/url].
Freudenhaus Hase is located conveniently close to the S-Bahn station of Humboldthain. To access the brothel from the street you go under a large porch and get to an inside courtyard, there are two staircases*: one on the left hand side and one on the right hand side. I believe there are more girls available in the left hand side building and that sometimes the right hand side building hasn't got the same opening times and is even sometimes closed (Saturdays and Sundays). If you get regular with a girl you'll find out that 95% of the time she's working only in the left building or only in the right building but there are instances where she'll change buildings. No big deal, just ask for the girl and the Hausmutti will tell you to ring on the other side of the courtyard if she's in the other building.
About the apparments / rooms of the girls, I must say I have been extremely impressed on my first two visits, both in the right hand side building, ground floor appartment on the right. For a budget brothel this looked like a luxury room in a four or five star hotel*! Classy restrained decor, four poster bed, very nice bathroom. I've been to Hase numerous times since then and I've seen other rooms, some were good, some were a bit basic, overall quite nice. Some had attached bathrooms, some didn't, some didn't even have a sink, but a separate bathroom at the end of a corridor was available. And you get clean, decent quality towels.
The Hausmuttis (one per staircase) are not the friendliest, they are usually very abrupt (read borderline rude) with me actually, but you get the information you're after so that's the most important thing. Some basic knowledge of the German language is required. It's possible to book a girl for a certain time but only if you book her for at least a 30 minute session. Because I'm always going for the less expensive 20 minute option (some will give me the nickname «*El Cheapo*» soon I know.) I don't have that possibility. I just show up and if a girl is busy I just ask for how long, and it's under 30 minutes I just take a walk in the neighbourhood, have a drink and come back. Sometimes it's one hour or more and I just give up for that day and return another day.
About the girls, I'll write reports on the three I've met, but on the whole they all look both sexy and friendly, some are a bit too tattooed for my taste but I'm sure this will be a turn on for some guys. Agewise they're between their mid-twenties and mid-thirties. The pics on the website at [url]http://www.freudenhaus-hase.de/html/modelle.html[/url] Look genuine*: although for some girls they must have been photographed some years back there doesn't seem to be excessive usage of Photoshop. I have some difficulty recognizing Milena, my favourite Hase girl at the moment, on the website pics, but I think she looks better in real life so that's not a problem. The extras on offer and their prices will vary from girl to girl, there's no fixed price for extras for the whole brothel, personally I only take Zungenküsse (DFK) and that's a 10 € extra with Milena, she also does anal, oral without and other things but I haven't asked about prices. I imagine anal must cost a premium.
Cheers,
VeLoBerlin
Ekstase Erotic Massage, Laura
Paid a visit to Ekstase on Saturday with slightly disappointing results. First the place is not easy to get to, at least for me. Basically you go to Alexanderplatz then 4 stops out the U5 line into what used to be East Berlin's 'Grand Allee'. The streets out there are wide and the vistas grand but it takes forever to walk anywhere, or so it seems. Anyway, from the UBahn Ekstase is about a 10 minute walk onto a quiet side street.
Frankly the place looks more like a wh*rehouse than a massage parlour. But you are told in, no uncertain terms before anything, that all that is on offer is erotic massage with a hand finish. Whether or not this is strictly true I have no idea but I can imagine that for you to get anything else (BJ or sex) you would have to be a repeat visitor and develop some sort of relationship with the masseuse to find out.
My first impression was that the girl who greeted me was sort of grumpy and seemed annoyed that, first, I did not understand her directions as to where I was supposed to go and, second, that I did not immediately chose her as my masseuse. I asked to meet all the girls and shortly thereafter three stood in front of me. I chose Laura and the two others were quickly dismissed.
[url]http://www.ekstase-massage.de/html/laura1.html[/url]
As with any bordello I was struck by the fact that, after Artemis, making such decisions in the few seconds provided is not a very easy task. As I was to find out my choice probably could have been better.
Laura asked (in English-as I was to find out that she spoke no German) me how long I wanted to stay (1 hour) and if I wanted something to drink. She then left, to return shortly with my water, a towel and bath shoes. She then left me to undress and upon her return directed me to the shower. It was all done without much care, with Laura sort of motioning towards the shower as she herself tried to disappear into the girl's waiting area, probably to finish gossiping with the other girls.
After the shower I found my own way back to the room and sat on the sofa and waited. And waited. And waited. It was probably no more than 5 minutes but it seemed a life time, all the time Ol'Angus is wondering if this waiting time is cutting into his massage time?
Upon her eventual return Laura had me lie down on my front and promptly started the massage. As a massage it was not the best I have had. It was also not the worst and to be positive I will say that at least it was not painful, But the girl obviously had no real massage training and had no sense of how deep she could go. So her massage technique consisted of stroking with the occasional use of her thumbs to knead the muscles. At one point I suggested to her that she could go deeper with her thumbs but she did not seem to understand, or maybe just did not want to be bothered.
While this all may seem to add up to a bad experience, it really was not that bad. Just as a massage it was rather insipid. A few minutes working on the back and she oiled up her breasts and started to use them. Somewhat better, this continued until she turned me over and did the front. Her breasts on the front had predictable results and the massage heated up somewhat. My own roaming hands were more or less welcomed until I got to her pussy when she moved away. I queried this and she told me I could only touch her pussy with a latex gloves conveniently located in a box beside the bed. I pulled on a glove, started to explore but soon had the thought-why bother-took off the glove and contented myself with her breasts, haunches and the occasional brush up against her outer pussy lips which was tolerated if not encouraged.
By now the girl had raised little Angus, if not to full staff then at least to a respectable showing and, without further ado, she wanked me off and cleaned up the result. I wondered what next as I was pretty sure that no more than 20 minutes had passed but Laura told me to relax, lie again on my stomach, and proceeded to go through the whole procedure once again. What can I say? It all worked again and while taking a little longer this time, with a little more breast rubbing and titty dangling on little Angus (at my suggestion) we ended the hour more or less on time with another eruption. As I said earlier, I had wondered if the shower / waiting time would cut into my massage time. To the credit of Ekstase, at least for me, the massage was a full hour as paid for (€100).
Over all the whole experience was for me a little disappointing or maybe just underwhelming.
Having most of my massage experience in Berlin at the very excellent tantra studio Kashima I am used to the actual massage being much, much better. My motivation for heading out to a massage parlour instead was that of being able to touch the masseuse, and the girl I chose just seemed less than thrilled with this. Not that she said no, but she had her restrictions. Fair enough, but it was a wee bit of a let down. As I have said before, it seems to me that girls who work in massage places often have this slight attitude that they are not hookers, and thus one takes the risk of restricted service. If there is a next time for me at Ekstase I think I will try to chose one of the girls off the web site who has been a mainstay of the business in the hope that she may be a little more prepared for some serious feel up and finger play. I did spot on my way out Elena, one of the girls who has been longer on the website and found her whole energy to be way more appealing than any of the three girls I was shown at the time of my viewing. Trouble is these girls are often booked in advance so one needs to phone ahead to be sure, and make a booking.
In the end, as I guess is obvious, I left slightly under satisfied yet happy enough as what Laura lacked in pure skill, she did make up for in work ethic. That second pop in the hour can not have been easy for her and I commend her effort.
AM
Amelie at Freudenhaus Hase.
My first visit at Freudenhaus Hase was back in late August 2011. I went to the left staircase first and checked out all the girls on the stairwell but none took my fancy, I therefore crossed the yard and went to the right staircase. The girl on the ground floor looked mighty nice but I went further up anyway to see if I could find even better upstairs. I did not and went back to the girl on the ground floor.
She was a tall brunette by the name of Amelie, I found out later she was then new at Hase and only had a small pic on the website at the time. A full set of photos have been added relatively recently, you can see them at*: [url]http://laufhaus-berlin.com/html/amelie.html[/url].
Like I wrote in my general post about Freudenhaus Hase, I was extremely impressed by the large luxurious room and adjacent bathroom*: if that was a budget German brothel, I wondered what the upscale ones looked like! Versailles style palaces perhaps?
Did not know what to expect on my first visit to Hase (my first paid sex in Germany too) and I didn't want to spend too much money so I settled for the basic rate of 30€ for 20 minutes with no extra.
Amelie is a tall brunette with a pretty face and truly beautiful eyes. I would imagine she's in her early twenties. I can only try to describe her awesome body*: everytime I've seen her, I immediately thought of the word «*statuesque*». Flat belly, awesome breasts and one of the most awesome backsides I have ever seen*! Nice pussy lips too if I may say so. She has a vine tattoo crawling up her back and normally it would be a total turnoff for me, but this one is artistic, tastefully done and for some reason I don't mind it much. Otherwise she is articulate, soft spoken and very nice. I think she's quite smart too, with a subdued but slightly wicked sense of humour. I mentioned Amelie was a French name and asked her was she French, but she was adamant her first name was Italian in origin. Has she got Italian roots I wonder. I guess this is a possibility*: her matte skin and dark hair are definitely Mediteranean looking*?
About the sex part, the three meetings I had with her were similar, lots of caresses and kisses on the face, neck and body (her olive coloured skin is flawless, very smooth and smells delicious) , a pleasurable covered blowjob followed by sex, missionary. It was like the ultimate GFE all around but I came way too soon every single time (a recurring problem of mine). That was despite taking a dose of Kamagra oral jelly for one of the meetings. Still I always came away happy, wonderful moments spent with a naked beauty. I don't know how she'd be for more energetic sex though.
Overall a dream girl really but I wasn't up to it, I must try to see her again sometimes when I visit Hase, instead of Milena, my regular lady there by now. I hope she's as candid as she was when she started, haven't visited her since late September last year. I understand from a recent post on a German forum that she might not be on the stairs much and that she would mostly do bookings nowadays. I guess she must extremely popular. I saw her twice in this wonderful room on the ground floor at the right staircase and once in the left hand side building, but I believe she mostly works in the right hand side building*? Not 100% sure though.
Cheers,
VeLo BERLIN.
