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[QUOTE=DontMindMe11;2460348]I agree with a lot of what you said, we are on the same page. However, you are describing the ideal scenario for reviews. Reviews CAN be helpful sure, and ideally if everybody was honest, they would be even better. But that isn't the case. I've been burned by overly positive reviews a few times, and likewise, I was burned by a lack of a negative review. Sometimes a guy will see the girl, have a terrible session and never mention it on the board for fear of getting banned or retaliation by the white knights. I end up seeing her and having a shitty time, and later I find out that she was known to be awful but nobody dared to write a public review to warn others. Reviews can help you and hurt you, but I'm glad they exist.[/QUOTE]While the reviews are mainly for us guys and most of the women don't care for them, they can sometimes be very useful to new girls committed to an escort career. I can think of one remarkable turnaround by one Toronto SP. She was a rookie in 2019 I believe. She had about five-six weeks of mediocre reviews. Everyone noted she was a tall, blonde stunner, but several reviewers mentioned cold and distant.

All of a sudden, there was a major course correction and now she is one of the top agency escorts. Would that have happened without the reviews? Would it have happened so quickly? I'm guessing based on her photos she was booked steadily for a month and then the bookings started to tail off. The agency probably was able to use the reviews to constructively advise her. Of course, some hot escorts just offer mediocre service their entire careers.

Can anyone guess this escort's name?

[QUOTE=WyattEarp;2460564]I think things started heating up here about two or so years ago. Mongerer88 was holding down the fort here. Some of us green board refugees realized we could have unfettered conversations about the Montreal scene. Jalimon and cloudsurf show up from time to time. Chubzy and others are well-known contributors.

I believe the girl was Gaia or Luna or whatever the fuck she was calling herself at the time (or perhaps it was Dasha). Both Gaia and Dasha at one time had their older reviews wiped clean. I think it coincided with them going Indy and becoming advertisers. Gaia was a superstar flake [/QUOTE]Yeah, gaia was pretty much it, more recently, luna. / massage spa. Greek genes I believe.

My one time experience w / her was when, some time after she had went imdy for a decent stretch, for some reason she, for like maybe a month, hopped back for agency work. I booked her thruogh said agency, and I arrived to the loc, nice and early. And it was frigid. And I wait, waited, to prob 15 min past my appt time lets say, where I texted the agenvy. They reply then, that she hasnt even arrived (to the apt) and revealed, she hasnt even communicated w / them. So, I felt like a sitting duck standing at the door of the condo. Perhaps 45 min in, of waiting, I said screw this. Gave up cut my losses in time, as in it took me 20-30 min to get there, and required the same to leave. I initailly didn't want to give up. Plus I did not have a plan be girl that day.

[QUOTE=DontMindMe11;2460345]From what I understand, sometimes a girl is so popular and in high demand that the agency will turn a blind eye if the girl decides to supplement her income by working independently for a higher rate. Now, I think technically this is prohibited by the agency, that a girl see clients privately outside agency schedules and hours. But sometimes, a girl is too good to pass up and you sort of have to deal with her working outside of agency hours if you want to continue having her on your roster as a draw or attraction. Meanwhile, when other girls are caught doing this, they are fired from the agency.[/QUOTE]To me this appears to be the case, in mtl, only the past 12-18 months. Where agency girls are now flexxing in a may I say, agency driven market. More mtl agency girls hopped onto social media and even the older / popular agency ones who had been around but wasnt active (heaven) have have come aboard. And its like how the nba is a players league. Stud players can get a coach fired these days or get other kinds of turn the blind eye things they were less likely to get in a diff era.

About 4 yrs ago in tor, to which is to me and perhaps others, was / is a more indy driven market, there was a indy girl who flew out to another city to do personal things on personal time, as well as on her social media, advertised a tour while at that city. She told me her agency suddenly owner gave her a call, basically telling her she can't do that. I forgot if an ultimatum was dropped, but she decided to leave the agency shortly after this.

[QUOTE=Jalimon2;2460539]This is very important discussion.

Also often many will post their schedule. Which is great as some agency do not publish weekly schedule.[/QUOTE]I'm wondering how that works exactly. Say provider A days she's working sat and Sunday 6-11 at agency A. You text agency A when you see this on twitter on Tuesday saying "Hi, I want to book provider A on Sat from 6-7:30 please" only to be told "please reach out to us on Friday night by agency A. You reach out only to find out she's booked solid? Would imagine you would need to be well known by agency or the provider to get the favored time slot.

[QUOTE=PCode80;2460579]Yeah she's still on my list haha. I really like her demeanor and she was very good. Have you seen Emma from XO? I personally didn't think she's all that but I make a mention of this because she's got similar body type as Paril, just as pretty and apparently a lot of folks have voiced very positive reviews.[/QUOTE]I saw Emma and very true she has similar great figures. She's cool and sexy. But her friend Elly also from XO is much more sexually driven, will do CIM (with pleasure) and has similar body type as well.

Cheers,

There is something some of the experienced Montral members don't understand. When a girl works as an independent her rates have to be lower or the same than the agency rates. This is called cutting out the middleman in business. For example you can buy affordable products made in China from Amazon, or you can buy them directly from China at a lower price. If you're familiar with international import export business.

When you deal directly with the escort the prices are lower because she doesn't have to pay for the room the agency is renting her. Of course some people prefer to use the agency because they don't have an apartment where they can receive the escort or because then they'd have to rent a hotel room. Also to certain degree the agency guarantees quality reliability and safety.

So if you deal directly with the girl and she charges you more than agency rate with no reason to justify this, then you just simply don't know how to negotiate prices. Or she is just taking advantage that you are nave. SORRY to have to say this, but there is no reason to pay higher independent rates. And also if someone charges 300 for one hour that doesn't mean that 3 hours are worth 900. Anyone who knows how to set prices knows that is ridiculous. Just think about it. Obviously longer bookings are negotiated as the amount of hours increase the rate per hour decreases. There are only very few opportunities in the world where anyone make $1500 for 5 hours, RARELY. Only if you can score 30 points over 5 guys who are 3 meters tall and weigh 120kilos. Once again if you don't understand this you need some experience negotiating price.

Also, the green form prohibits anyone from discussing pricing. That is obviously a power-play to give the price setters all the power. Customers also have a right to know and discuss the prices. If the customers are in complete ignorance about pricing than the service providers have an opportunity to unjustly take advantage of the customers.

Also, an agency cannot legally stop a girl from working on her own. Unless they sign a contract that says she cannot receive clients outside of the agency. Obviously no woman would ever sign such contract. However, since the agency presents the girl with opportunities and clients than the girl should have enough business acumen and manners and smart to work at least one or 2 days a week in the agency. The rest of the days the girls can advance her own career however she wishes to do so.Plus not all clients are interested in seeing the escort outside of the agency. Sure, the girls are fully booked but only in rush hours. I think a lot of people overestimate how busy the girls are.

[QUOTE=Frank11;2460666]There is something some of the experienced Montral members don't understand. When a girl works as an independent her rates have to be lower or the same than the agency rates. This is called cutting out the middleman in business. For example you can buy affordable products made in China from Amazon, or you can buy them directly from China at a lower price. If you're familiar with international import export business.

When you deal directly with the escort the prices are lower because she doesn't have to pay for the room the agency is renting her. Of course some people prefer to use the agency because they don't have an apartment where they can receive the escort or because then they'd have to rent a hotel room. Also to certain degree the agency guarantees quality reliability and safety.

So if you deal directly with the girl and she charges you more than agency rate with no reason to justify this, then you just simply don't know how to negotiate prices. Or she is just taking advantage that you are nave. SORRY to have to say this, but there is no reason to pay higher independent rates. And also if someone charges 300 for one hour that doesn't mean that 3 hours are worth 900. Anyone who knows how to set prices knows that is ridiculous. Just think about it. Obviously longer bookings are negotiated as the amount of hours increase the rate per hour decreases. There are only very few opportunities in the world where anyone make $1500 for 5 hours, RARELY. Only if you can score 30 points over 5 guys who are 3 meters tall and weigh 120kilos. Once again if you don't understand this you need some experience negotiating price.[/QUOTE]Yeah, you would think bro. Again and again.

In theory yeah, you'd think.

But in reality, have you looked at any of the popular regular 5 indy's in tor, or any 5 regular popular indy's in mtl, do they budge? They DO charge more what agency rates go for. Their position is if you book me directly, you will get my indy rate.

They all set their rates and their rates are 'not negotiable'. The girls are all nearly universally price fixed together like a frat or an OPEC. There aren't any price wars where girls hurt ea. Other. They trade info within each other and blacklist numbers, etc. They look out for ea. Other like a sisterhood. Do you understand that aspect? They retweet ea. Other to promote ea. Other. They fly / drive to visit ea. Other have social time / know ea. Other across diff cities / countries.

I don't claim to be one of those experienced mtl members, you refer to, but.

Go send Lolathebrat an DM telling her you want her for 3 hrs, and each hour, you going to pay her progressively less. The email will go unanswered. She'd leave you to book her at her agency rates. These girls know they are a commodity as well as hold the line so that it's a self fulfilling prophecy. And they are'nt past their prime, like 35+ etc. And these girls arent the 'carrying 20 lbs extra weight' types which would probably more likely be negotiatable, perhaps those are the ones you're mind is set is on, or perhaps also you hit up a pure agency-only girl during your session you propose a futre one off, multi hour out of agency booking. But you're casting it all over to be universal, and that does not apply and that's what I have the main issues with.

Your generalities are as if one were to propose when a mtl girl would fly to toronto to tour, she should be offering herself to toronto punters at her mtl pricing of 220 and if she don't, it don't make sense.

But it just doesn't happen. She charges toronto prices. That 350 1 h, two for 700 or whatever structure. That's the reality.

[QUOTE=PCode80;2460580]I see. This is an interesting take. Thank you.

Now that I think about it some more, I think if I were an agency, I wouldn't be opposed to letting them setup their own indy page. The caveat would be that their Indy rate has to be higher than the agency rate. The clients who want a lower rate can some to the agency, the ones who want to meet outside of agency policies and operation hours can work direct. Makes sense actually. Everyone is happy.[/QUOTE]Pcode, those were valid points in convenience and logistics made by dmm11.

I would also add that girls who do the agency / indy dual, have to deal with cancellations and those can come and hit like a storm. The agency shifts give them stable income because the cancellation gaps can be filled by the booker doing schedules. The girls who allocate their own indy day, do all their own scheduling and conversations, and a cancellation here and there can leave her with a day she was expecting a few hours of work, to be suddenly a lot less revenue as well as time to kill, (those 2 HR minimum requirements end up being a 2 HR cancellation) or time she could have just shown up for a robotic shift at the agency in the first place.

This is another reason and its not my own, to where there is the higher indy rate versus the agency one.

One of the benefits of direct booking is you can customize your experience if you are particular of a punter to enjoy that aspect, it's more available.

Say if you're one of the few who enjoy more than just telling the agency 'can I have her come by in a dress' and hope that gets conveyed, or you hope she brought one before she left the house that day.

With direct booking, as you can imagine, there is the ability to explore those scenarios much more because she has advance time to plan / get ready for you.

Ultimately, the decision on which to take is yours as those prices are for her hedging / maximizing the revenue efficiency of her time. Versus volitilaty at achieving that end for herself.

Nah. I'm actually correct about the pricing. And the girls are really smart. The ones that are good at business will not scare the clients by being greedy. I'm not going to waste time proving I'm right because I know from real life experience trustworthy preferred clients negotiate reasonable rates. So let's say I want 1 hour of sex, 1. 5 hour of conversation, and. 5 hour of conversation and massage. Ok so the first hour is 300 for hard sex. That is just. That is hard work. Then Do you really think you can charge someone $600 1 one hour of conversation and. 5 hour of massage. Get real man. Probably less than 5% of the people in the country can make $600 in 2 hours for talking. That being said You do need levarage to negotiate. What kind of men have 1000 dollars for a three dollar date? Where do these men live? Saturn? We can research all salaries no one except very low percentage have so much money to burn. As a joke Are you guys paying $1,000 for 3 hours of escorting as a cover-up for other under-the-table business. Are you exchanging gold petroleum or some other foot powder commodity?

Post what you will, but at least my experience proves I'm right. You can keep discussing all you want but I think I said enough already. Don't get carried away by hot looks and big numbers. Apply the numbers to reality and to the standard rates in the country and then ask yourself if it makes sense? This is just hype like when musicians from three decades ago they all claim their legendary album was the best selling album of all time in the so-and-so category. Like all musician say that. If you say you charge 1500 for 4 hours and then say fully booked all of a sudden smart people going to believe you it's just hype. Sure maybe a few dodo birds payed all that but smart people are aware comparitavely what services really cost.

[QUOTE=Frank11;2460666]There is something some of the experienced Montral members don't understand. When a girl works as an independent her rates have to be lower or the same than the agency rates. This is called cutting out the middleman in business. For example you can buy affordable products made in China from Amazon, or you can buy them directly from China at a lower price. If you're familiar with international import export business.

When you deal directly with the escort the prices are lower because she doesn't have to pay for the room the agency is renting her. Of course some people prefer to use the agency because they don't have an apartment where they can receive the escort or because then they'd have to rent a hotel room. Also to certain degree the agency guarantees quality reliability and safety.

So if you deal directly with the girl and she charges you more than agency rate with no reason to justify this, then you just simply don't know how to negotiate prices. Or she is just taking advantage that you are nave. SORRY to have to say this, but there is no reason to pay higher independent rates. And also if someone charges 300 for one hour that doesn't mean that 3 hours are worth 900. Anyone who knows how to set prices knows that is ridiculous. Just think about it. Obviously longer bookings are negotiated as the amount of hours increase the rate per hour decreases. There are only very few opportunities in the world where anyone make $1500 for 5 hours, RARELY. Only if you can score 30 points over 5 guys who are 3 meters tall and weigh 120kilos. Once again if you don't understand this you need some experience negotiating price.

Also, the green form prohibits anyone from discussing pricing. That is obviously a power-play to give the price setters all the power. Customers also have a right to know and discuss the prices. If the customers are in complete ignorance about pricing than the service providers have an opportunity to unjustly take advantage of the customers.

Also, an agency cannot legally stop a girl from working on her own. Unless they sign a contract that says she cannot receive clients outside of the agency. Obviously no woman would ever sign such contract. However, since the agency presents the girl with opportunities and clients than the girl should have enough business acumen and manners and smart to work at least one or 2 days a week in the agency. The rest of the days the girls can advance her own career however she wishes to do so.Plus not all clients are interested in seeing the escort outside of the agency. Sure, the girls are fully booked but only in rush hours. I think a lot of people overestimate how busy the girls are.[/QUOTE]Why would their rate be lower as indy? If indy is offering incall, it usually means she is paying condo / apt rent per month. That runs anywhere from $600 to 1200 a month. As indy she also risk being cancelled on and less likely to fill those last minute slots. Also, I believe the whole point of being on your own is that you have enough demand / confidence to get a higher price, and subsequently earn more than working for others. Isn't that literally why people start working for themselves?

As for the hourly dropping when you book more time, I think many girls have grandfather rates for regulars.

[QUOTE=MtlLocal;2460734]
As for the hourly dropping when you book more time, I think many girls have grandfather rates for regulars.[/QUOTE]See, I told you. Grandfather rateS.

[QUOTE=MtlLocal;2460734]Why would their rate be lower as indy? [/QUOTE]Well maybe the Independent rate should not be lower but the same as the agencies. Okay so they Hopefully can pay their rent with the money they aren't giving the agency. Most guys would probably go for the agency girl because it's more affordable. Take a look at the products on Amazon, the lower price wins practically every time. It's not about me. Independent providers are losing their customers just for charging more than the agencies.

[QUOTE=MtlLocal;2460734]As indy she also risk being cancelled on and less likely to fill those last minute slots.
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The other day my priest told me to get creative. So if one client cancels on an independent provider. Next time she should wise up and book tWo clients for the same hour. If both clients show up they can just have a threesome. My priest. What a fng genius. He should get married.

[QUOTE=Kabukicho;2460705]Go send Lolathebrat an DM telling her you want her for 3 hrs, and each hour, you going to pay her progressively less. The email will go unanswered. She'd leave you to book her at her agency rates. These girls know they are a commodity as well as hold the line so that it's a self fulfilling prophecy. [/QUOTE]Totally with you on this. These girls have other things to do then hanging out with you unless you pay full rate.

Via Twitter DM Lolathebrat asked me to bring extra 60 $ for her on top of XO rate. She wrote "you will see why I will deserve the extra gratification."

What a brat! But she was totally right. I so much hope she will get back soon!

[QUOTE=Frank11;2460666]There is something some of the experienced Montral members don't understand. When a girl works as an independent her rates have to be lower or the same than the agency rates. This is called cutting out the middleman in business. For example you can buy affordable products made in China from Amazon, or you can buy them directly from China at a lower price. If you're familiar with international import export business.

When you deal directly with the escort the prices are lower because she doesn't have to pay for the room the agency is renting her. Of course some people prefer to use the agency because they don't have an apartment where they can receive the escort or because then they'd have to rent a hotel room. Also to certain degree the agency guarantees quality reliability and safety..[/QUOTE]I think, as I was trying to say before, the reason they charge higher prices as indy is because they are probably asked / requested to charge higher prices by the agency they work with so that the agency can remain competitive. If they charge the same or lower, then that may remove the agency as the middleman entirely as you said. I mean, I am sure they can, and I hazard a guess that if it has been discovered that they charge the same or lower rate than agency, the agency might let them go (or maybe charge lower rate at the agency themselves but that would set an undesired precedence). In other words, I do not think the intent of going indy for them is to cut off the agency entirely. I actually think this is a good move for everyone from the business sense.

Also, as you said, even if the main mentality in this situation is "why would I pay for indy rate over agency rate for the same service", well the answer is at least the option is there in case one isn't able to get time within the agency hours. Example, maybe you want to book the girl weeks or months ahead of time. Agencies don't do that so you book through the indy channel. So yeah, for the Montreal dwellers the indiy rates don't make much sense but for myself who only visit every now and then, I appreciate having the option.

I do agree the math become undesirable when it comes to multiple hours. However, its probably something they'll figure out as well. Who knows, maybe girls don't really want multi hours generally.

[QUOTE=Jalimon2;2460803]Totally with you on this. These girls have other things to do then hanging out with you unless you pay full rate.

Via Twitter DM Lolathebrat asked me to bring extra 60 $ for her on top of XO rate. She wrote "you will see why I will deserve the extra gratification."

What a brat! But she was totally right. I so much hope she will get back soon![/QUOTE]Yeah maybe we should stop talking and arguing about rates. I mean, it is what it is, it's working and it's hard to argue with something that works. And to each their own.

I propose we go back to discussing what's Montreal can offer so that I (selfishly) can make notes for my late summer / fall visit. Would anyone care to recommend someone to see who is active and close to LolaTheBrat's physical figure? I can tell you I've met the following ladies in the past (some of these go as far as 3 years ago, haha):

Vogue. Audry, Jade.

Velvet. Arielle.

Euphoria. Anna, Amanda, Katia, Annabelle, Erika, Heaven, Kiara.

XO. Dasha, Lana, Anastasia, Elisa.

I think you can still find the reviews of that I posted on the green board.

[QUOTE=Jalimon2;2460803]Totally with you on this. These girls have other things to do then hanging out with you unless you pay full rate.

Via Twitter DM Lolathebrat asked me to bring extra 60 $ for her on top of XO rate. She wrote "you will see why I will deserve the extra gratification."

What a brat! But she was totally right. I so much hope she will get back soon![/QUOTE]

you need leverage to negotiate. What does leverage probably mean in this case? obviously leverage means money. So another words if you make a good contract where she's making a lot of money that can be used to receive more Time for the amount of money you offered her.You will not receive a discount if you're going to then go and spend your discount On another girl.

I would never negotiate through private messages. Plus I don't need to be rude And offer something she would not like. I would just wait to see what rates she offers me. I could politely say What sort of deal I expected. And then I would take her offer or leave it politely.

Most men here are working hard Their whole life. They probably don't make more than $100-$200 a day. They wouldn't pay 1060 for 3 hours. Why such inequality? So you would work 5 to 10 days (8 Times 10 = 80 hours) and spend it in 3 hours.

Jalimon, If you are so experienced Then I don't believe you would pay 1060 for 3 hours. Sorry, but I'm going to call you out on that. I'm telling you from experience The prices advertised For the top girls, if you know how to negotiate with leverage, are different from the real prices, At least Sometimes and Only for some locals. It depends sometimes the advertised prices areActually correct.

It's funny how it seems experienced mongers are trying to hide and lie about this obvious fact. And yes be careful with your money because you will find people who think you're dumb enough to pay 1500 for 4 hours. Just keep looking and you'll find most of these girls are down to earth when it comes to money. The girls themselves will make you a good offer. And a lot of them will feel bad if they are taking money from you that they don't deserve so much they will turn your payment down or return your money.The girls want you to keep coming back, they don't want you go broke.

Plus, to be honest 90% of the times I wouldn't even be interested in having sex 3 hours straight. Also I think it's true what someone said, sometimes a girl may feel uncomfortable making a long booking with someone she doesn't know.