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Has anyone ventured onto this site?

[url]http://www35.gesext.de/SEX-Auktionen/551/Sie%20f%FCr%20Ihn.html[/url]

It is an Ebay type site for sexual services. All in German by navigable with the help of a translator program.

From my observation there is a lot of girls on there with an inflated sense of their worth in the market place but a dedicated monger might just find a gem or two here.

I would love to hear comments and/or adventures.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]As I heard it, during the rebuilding of Germany after the war, when huge numbers of laborers were needed, the Germans realized that these laborers (many of them single men) would need sexual services or they would search out such services out in the local population. Thus were bordellos legalized and the rest is history.[/QUOTE]Whoever told you that fed you baloney. As this forum attests, retail sex has very little to do with foreign workers. In Germany or elsewhere. In Germany, the biggest influx of foreign workers was in the 1950’s and 1960’s when prostitution was against the law. The law was liberalized only half a century later when there was no need for foreign workers, and when 5 Million Germans were on the unemployment rolls.

Until quite recently, prostitution was totally illegal in Germany. Well, kindof. Albeit illegal, it was "tolerated" as long as a ton of rules were observed:

- Ladies had to ply their trade outside of certain prohibited areas ("Sperrbezirke.") In the bad old days, most of Munich for instance was a giant Sperrbezirk, and the only place where the trade was "tolerated" was in an industrial park near the old Munich airport.
- In cities below a certain size, prostitution was illegal.
- Sex workers had to subject to regular health checks and carry a card ("Koberschein" in the vernaular) that attested to those checks. If they refused the checks, they were no longer tolerated and could be arrested.

In 2002, during the Red-Green collation, Prostitution was "legalized" in Germany. Well, kindof. Quite humorously, a law was enacted in Germany in 2002 that specified that a sex worker has a right to her money. Before, a John could leave without payment, and the SW had no legal recourse. In the wake of that law, "Creating a proper environment" (i.e. opening a bordello) was no longer illegal. Sex workers can (and must) carry health-, unemployment- , and social security insurance.

The backdrop of this law wasn't foreign workers. It was unadulterated governmental greed: The government wanted to participate in the money made. Via taxes. Since 50% taxes are not unheard of in Germany, the German government for all intents and purposes set out to pimp the approximately 400,000 professional (as opposed to part-time) sex workers in Germany. The government also thought it a very creative idea to beautify the unemployment statistics.

With close to 50% of the unemployed female, augmenting the unemployment check by performing sex work is an attractive proposition to some. What the 2002 law did (and intended to do) was to officially remove sex workers from the unemployment rolls, and to subject them to fines if they collect an unemployment check while trading sex for money. Officially, they now are required to PAY unemployment etc taxes, because they have a job.

The expected tax revenue however was a flash in the pan. Since most of the transactions are conducted in cash, and since sex workers rarely issue receipts, tax avoidance is rampant. A bordello usually pays a flat tax per girl and room. "Independents" usually pay nothing.

The so-called "liberalization" of the prostitution law was mostly a ploy to collect taxes, and to fudge unemployment statistics. This became finally evident in 2005. In 2005, reports surfaced that, with prostitution being “legal,” bordellos could now officially look for sex workers using the services of the public labor agencies (“Arbeitsamt”)

And now for the real perversion: According to published reports, unemployed women were offered sex jobs from the governmental agencies, and when the women turned the offers down, the unemployment benefits were reduced or denied.

The downside of the (kindof) legalization: The public health authorities ("Gesundheitsamt") now don't have a legal basis for mandatory health checks. They have been abandoned. You are on your own. Even requests for voluntary checks get routinely turned down. The Gesundheitsamt in Cologne for instance says on their website: "Gesundheitszeugnisse in Zusammenhang mit sexuell übertragbaren Krankheiten (STD) und Prostitution stellt das Kölner Gesundheitsamt nicht aus." [url]http://www.stadt-koeln.de/bol/gesundheit/produkte/02065/index.html[/url]

I said "In 2002, Prostitution legalized in Germany. Well, kindof." According to the law, prostitution is still illegal, and represents a misdemeanor or regulatory offense, for which the sex worker can get issued a summons. Kindof like a traffic ticket. § 184d is still on the books, that can land a sex worker in jail for up to six month if she (or he) "persistently violates a restriction to perform acts of prostitution in certain locations or at certain times." Meaning: Local (or any) governments can still declare their city, or their whole state a "Sperrbezirk"- if they are so inclined - and make it off-limits for prostitution.

Whether they do it or not is a completely different story. In most countries on this planet, prostitution is illegal. The big question is how is that law being enforced. For all intents and purposes, prostitution is (kindof) legal in Germany. What is still on the books is rarely enforced. Which doesn't mean that it cannot or will not.

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first part

well, after my experience in artemis (my first experience in a fkk), i want to share my impression.

but first my thanks to all of you, and particularly angus, for the thread and all the news collected, most true.

i will divide my report in two. sessions, first general impressions, second girls. my description of sex will not be very particular, as i think it's subjective, then girls change very often and also because this is not a voyeur thread.

well, let's begin:

general impression

reaching artemis is perfectly described. s-bahn is very confortable. the station is westkreuz. don't expect to find buildings outside as it faces a speedway. on the left you will find a tyre shop. pass it following the sidewalk and just close a following tyre shop, before the s-bahn bridge, look to the left and contemplate the paradise for us. for non addicted friends it looks like a grey building with a parking in front, seeming an holiday inn along a highway.

receptionists are very kind and, in case of newbies, very explicative.

the entrance ticket is 70 e and all the prices of the girls are correctly posted before. near the cashier you can even find a geldautomat to collect money in case of your extra performances.

a wristband with a key allows to open two little personal lockers for your money and clothes. you can now enter the artemis with a case and sandals.

apart the well described structure of artemis, i want to underline the feelings: you really enter in a wellness clinic for men, where everything is given to you softly to achieve this well being, and girls are a part.

after the first moments of astonishing glances at all these beauties, instead of taking one of them immediately, you could even think to relax a little with a haman, a sauna, or a massage.

don't suspect i'm crazy or a dr. freud patient. it's true! girls are the top step of your increasing wellness.

when i was there, a plenty of stunning polish blond girls, few romanian and turkish (turkish comunity in germany is the greatest in europe), one black were available. their only dress a belt or a skirt just a coin could be hidden with. all of them shaved. imho girls can be divided in two groups: patrolling girls and waiting girls. the first group patrols the artemis and could be named: "ehi, how are you? want to have sex with me". they act more aggressively, although politely retire after your refusal. second group is quieter, they preferably sit near the lounge chatting and smiling at you softly.

in other words first group is hunter oriented, second hunted oriented.

so the girls.

girls (ist day)

first i must declare my tastes. i love not particularly boosted thin blond girls. second group (not aggressive) is strongly preferred. slow sweet bj is a gold standard for me.

after relaxing, my radar scan of the lounge gave me the first positive result in emma.

emma.

a tight tall 23 yo slovakian beauty, 172 cm, blond haired with blue eyes, great smile. we chatted in good english and i asked her to show me the artemis, as i were a newbie. so she did with sweet smiles and charming glances with no hurry. as i rapidly felt a different hurry we went to the room. she gave me a delightful bbbj with also deepthroat capability. i aknowledge my first shot poor resistance so, wearing the condom to have a deep thoat orgasm, i dispatched my bullet while keeping her neck with my hand (softly, i must say). later she told me she suffered from some disconfort in her throat while the condom reservoir was filling up, but, in truth, she performed it perfectly till the end.

particularly as i was on my first fkk experience, a good gfe. face 7, body 7, bbbj 7, gfe 8

victoria

after some drinks and the needed rest i met victoria. another thin, tall polish girl, 185 cm. with stiletto heels, 170 cm natural, blue eyes, teen breasted beauty, quite shy (let's believe that). we began an intercourse in the sexkino and later we went to the room. although she refuseed french kisses, she gave me a great gfe sex. she caressed and kissed all my body and gave me a great great bbbj with her piercing in the tongue. she led me to extremely hardness without exceeding in the dangerous direction and then i was gloriously but slowly fucked in cowgirl position. so delighted for the great orgasm, i asked her to prolong to an hour.

as we were both sweaty she suggested a drink (she kindly went to the lounge while i was resting). after the drink and a sigarette, she performed a second heart attacking bbbj (very very sweet as i was on my third shot) followed by a long mish with the final deploy of my cum. she ended the session with a plenty of caresses. imo great professionist as great gfe feeling, although false.

for summary, unforgettable gfe and bbbj. face 6, 5, body 7, 5, bbbj 10, sex 8, gfe 8 (10 if she would kiss).

as i thought i had to gain some energies, at 10 p. m i had my dinner and i am pleased to admit i nearly better ate in artemis then in a "typical" berliner braurerei the day before. (anyway don't expect haute cuisine).

asha

after a long rest unfortunately an hunting girl caught me.

asha, polish, 22 yo, moderately breasted, 180 cm, with stilettos, 170 cm. natural, blue eyes, great back standing but a little bit anorexic front, dark blond hair, excited me mainly for her black stay up stockings.

as i approached her, she immediately asked me "ehi, baby, want to have sex with me". i minded her stockings, answered yes and packaged my mistake. in the room she began moaning long before having any intercourse. her bbbj was very innatural (too much moan, too much hand, to much strength on my poor tired out little brother). gently i repeatedly tried to take her hand off with no results. with my hands i also gently tried to give better rithm to her neck too, but she took them off. i want undeline that i'm never rough with girls while keeping their neck during bbbj, as i can imagine their disconfort (although never experimented. ! ), no matter i pay them.. my little brother was just partially up, sufficiently to fuck her but without any enthusiasm. after 15 min. of working i preferred to loose my 60 euros rather than going on in this shitty situation.

so stay far from asha if you dislike aggressive, false, thin polish girls with energetic bbbj attitudes. face 6, body 7 (thank of stockings), bbbj 4. gfe 0

at 02, 00 a. m. i gave up as i needed some rest to my poor bones, possibly in my bed.

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SECOND PART

Girls (2nd day)

Entering Artemis second day I felt the desire of taking a brunette and having a doggy session.

After a sauna, a shower and a drink I caught Veronica

Veronica

Polish, 23 YO, black smooth hair, grey/blue eyed,168 cm.natural, nice balloons, velvet skin.

After the usual ten minutes chatting went to the room. She kissed me a lot, with french kisses too. With her mouth she gave me an excellent BBBJ with natural deepthroat attitude.

When I felt it was enough for my resistance, I turned her to doggie and fucked her. My looks turned continously from the mirror facing us to her inviting butt. I thought about turning the job to anal but I went on. I must say she moaned and she acted a false orgasm, but everything was very credible as she began calmy and then increased, tuning her moans on my rithm. Very pleasant indeed.

While having my orgasm, I was deeply in her as she kept a perfect position (in my experience sometimes SP,while on doggie, try to keep their flank low to avoid deep penetration).

After sex we chatted and she didn'mind of the 30 min. limit. She spoke about her future work, her programs and asked about my work. I was even worried about her time passing but she repeatedly answered me "don't mind".
So, face 6, body 9, GFE 8, BBBJ 8, sex 8

Peggy

Peggy came after a little rest.

I cautht her at the lounge.

Polish, 28 YO, Blond smooth haired,170 cm., the most unbelievable emerald eyes ever seen, aroused my interest for her brass belt and her stockings (a little bit of fetichism seems to work on me). She looked like much younger than 28, she had a beautiful smile and she spoke only German and French. Ok,let's speak French, what a problem? She told me she knew French as she worked in Switzerland years before (surely not as a secretary). She laught a lot (I love girls laughing) so we mounted the stairways to heaven she laughing and me keeping my hand or her ass.

That brought me to the most remarkable experience in Artemis (remarkable means not the best but the most intriguing one).

In the room we kissed and caressed each other but, when I asked for a BBBJ, she told me something like "Oh, why nobody takes care of me...?". Well, I dislike DATY with SP ( my phylosophy is: it's me to pay and it's you to make the job), but I did it with Peggy. First with my tongue, as she didn't allow my finger, but later with my all finger inside her. She had a great true orgasm (my finger tested it).No squirt but plenty of wet. Lying with her I felt she was very astonished, but I couldn't leave her resting as I felt my arousement growing so I draw her softly to a BBBj (acceptable) and later we had sex in every known position. Then it happened that I had an orgasm whithout cum (sometimes, while different moments of arousements follow, it happens to me. Boys, forgive me, I'm not in my twenties and even in my thirties). She was a little surprised but, as I strongly wanted to deploy the bullet, I asked Peggy to prolong to an hour.After a sigarette a some chats I found myself at DATY again, although she was very doubtful (she cheated that she couldn't have two following orgasms with DATY. Evidence says peggy is a lyer ). Well, in few words, I replied the first session with my finger first trembling or her pussy, then later totally inside her. Another true orgasm with her pussy holding tightly on my finger. Briefly, without any rest, I fucked her hardly on Mish for long minutes then I hit the target. She liked it but IMO she had no more orgasm (well, if yes the 60+60 euros fee could have payed to me..!!)

So Peggy. I described this expecience in a longer way as she gave me the best global experience in Artemis, although not the best sex.

Face 7, body 8, BBBJ 6, GFE 7,5, sex 7,5, extras (multiple genuine DATYs) 9,5

As I needed to feed my bones, I had a pause at the restaurant. This is the ISG, not a Gourmet guide, but, I confess, I ate an good roastbeef with potatoes.

Later I decided to have Victoria (see first day) again.

Victoria

I caught her at the downstairs sexcino and, lying on a sofa, she began to kiss me lightly everywhere (unfortunately no French kisses). Then she rapidly arrived to my little brother where she confirmed her great BBBJ attitudes. I could give Victoria the nomination for golden BBBJ of the year as she is soft but deep and she works with her tongue and her indide cheek too (and don't forget the piercing).

I dragged her to the cabin nearby and I went on being sucked.I even fucked her mouth for a while. Then, feeling my arousement growing, I turned her in doggy style and,while standing up beside the bed and she on her knees on the edge, I fucked her deeply and longly. On my increasing climax she began to contract her vaginal muscles and I was totally squeezed out. This was definetely my best sex in Artemis. She later told me she was natural so perhaps she aroured without arriving to completion.

So great Victoria. Rates are listed before.

Summary

As my first FKK experience,I didn' ask for any anal, CIM or lesbo,although I love them, as I preferred to have as many girls as I could according to my budget. Anyway all the girls seemed to be acquainted with extras.

Girls change continuosly: second day 40% of them was different. Everybody can satisfy his taste for girls. Second day I even saw a fat black girl, a mature blond woman and a blond prosperous girl with an enormous bush on her pussy (the unique not shaved gir).

Politeness is a rule with SP and other guests. An English exclusive club atmosphere was tasted.

Artemis is incredibly clean.

Security is hidden but present.

I love Germany and Germans but Artemis gave me a further idea how civilizated they are.

A travel is worthwhile to gain such an experience.

I described my sex parable as this forum and all the friends gave me essential informations to taste such an experience, so I'm pleased to owe you this description.

I will surely be in Artemis again, whatever cost it will be.

Hope to report you soon again

Zipron

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[QUOTE=Anthrax]
Okay, guys. It has been a long time. Hautnah is finally back with a change of the name. [url]http://club.liveline.de/[/url]
[/QUOTE]

Anthrax, thanks for the hint. Chaps, had a session with Miki. Same drill as last year - see some of Angus' and others post.

Miki told me she would be available until August. She was not specific about the date - I guess she stays until she has earned enough money for a cold autumn in Bukarest. She still maintains she is a student, so she might only stay for her summer holidays. In any case - seems to be a limited time offering, so enjoy while she's in Berlin.

Note: Re-posted due to numerous typos. New info added. I finally managed to be a paid-up member and will be able to edit my posts from now on. My apologies for being repetitive.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]As I heard it, during the rebuilding of Germany after the war, when huge numbers of laborers were needed, the Germans realized that these laborers (many of them single men) would need sexual services or they would search out such services out in the local population. Thus were bordellos legalized and the rest is history.[/QUOTE]Whoever told you that fed you baloney. As this forum attests, retail sex has very little to do with foreign workers. In Germany or elsewhere. In Germany, the biggest influx of foreign workers was in the 1950’s and 1960’s when prostitution was against the law. The law was liberalized only half a century later when there was no need for foreign workers, and when 5 Million Germans were on the unemployment rolls.

Until quite recently, prostitution was totally illegal in Germany. Well, kindof. Albeit illegal, it was "tolerated" as long as a ton of rules were observed:

- Ladies had to ply their trade outside of certain prohibited areas ("Sperrbezirke.") In the bad old days, most of Munich for instance was a giant Sperrbezirk, and the only place where the trade was "tolerated" was in an industrial park near the old Munich airport.

- In cities below a certain size, prostitution was illegal.
- Sex workers had to subject to regular health checks and carry a card ("Koberschein" in the vernacular) that attested to those checks. If they refused the checks, they were no longer tolerated and could be arrested.

In 2002, during the Red-Green coalition, prostitution was “legalized” in Germany. Well, kindof. Quite humorously, a law was enacted in Germany in 2002 that specified that from there on now, a sex worker had a right to her (or his, or its) money. Before, a John could leave without payment, and the provider had no legal recourse. That law provided the basis for the so-called “legalization” of prostitution in Germany. Follow the money. In the wake of that law, "creating a proper environment" (i.e. opening a bordello) was no longer illegal. Sex workers can (and must) carry health-, unemployment- , and social security insurance.

The backdrop of this law wasn't foreign workers. It was unadulterated governmental greed: The government wanted to participate in the money made. Via taxes. Since 50% taxes are not unheard of in Germany, the German government for all intents and purposes set out to pimp the approximately 400,000 professional (as opposed to part-time) sex workers in Germany. Only by making the taking of money legal, the government could demand their take in taxes. Everything MUST be logical in Germany.

(Other countries aren't as uptight when it comes to logic. A friend of mine, who is in the BDSM business in New York City, was ratted upon by someone who doesn't like her. The IRS demanded back taxes. They struck a deal. As we all know, prostituition is highly illegal in all states of the US except Nevada. The IRS doesn't care.)

The government also saw it as a very creative idea to do something about the unemployment statistics.

Close to 50% of the unemployed are female. Augmenting the unemployment check by performing sex work is an attractive proposition to some. What the 2002 law did (and intended to do) was to officially remove sex workers from the unemployment rolls, and subject them to fines if they collect an unemployment check while trading sex for money. Officially, they now are required to PAY unemployment etc taxes.

The expected tax revenue however was a flash in the pan. Since most of the transactions are conducted in cash, and since sex workers rarely issue receipts, tax avoidance is rampant. A bordello usually pays a flat tax per girl and room. "Independents" usually pay nothing.

[B]The so-called “liberalization” of the prostitution law was mostly a ploy to collect taxes, and to fudge unemployment statistics. This became finally evident in 2005. In 2005, reports surfaced that, with prostitution being “legal,” bordellos could now officially look for sex workers using the services of the public labor agencies (“Arbeitsamt”)

And now for the real perversion: According to published reports, unemployed women were offered sex jobs from the governmental agencies, and when the women turned the offers down, the unemployment benefits were reduced or denied. [/B]

The downside of the (kindof) legalization: The public health authorities ("Gesundheitsamt") now don’t have a legal basis for mandatory health checks. They have been abandoned. You are on your own. Even requests for voluntary checks get routinely turned down. The Gesundheitsamt in Cologne for instance says on their website: "Gesundheitszeugnisse in Zusammenhang mit sexuell übertragbaren Krankheiten (STD) und Prostitution stellt das Kölner Gesundheitsamt nicht aus." [url]http://www.stadt-koeln.de/bol/gesundheit/produkte/02065/index.html[/url]

I said "In 2002, Prostitution legalized in Germany. Well, kindof." According to the law, prostitution is still illegal, and represents a misdemeanor or regulatory offense, for which the sex worker can get issued a summons. Kindof like a traffic ticket. § 184d is still on the books, it can land a sex worker in jail for up to six month if she (or he) "persistently violates a restriction to perform acts of prostitution in certain locations or at certain times." Meaning: Local (or any) governments can still declare their city, or their whole state a “Sperrbezirk”- if they are so inclined - and make it off-limits for prostitution.

Whether they do it or not is a completely different story. In most countries on this planet, prostitution is illegal. The big question is how is that law being enforced. For all intents and purposes, prostitution is (kindof) legal in Germany. What is still on the books is rarely enforced. Which doesn't mean that it cannot or will not. The socialist/conservative coalition that is now in power is making a lot of noises that the abovementioned law did not work, and that more controls are necessary. A backlash is entirely possible.

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[QUOTE=Angus Magee]Has anyone ventured onto this site?

[url]http://www35.gesext.de/SEX-Auktionen/551/Sie%20f%FCr%20Ihn.html[/url]

It is an Ebay type site for sexual services. All in German by navigable with the help of a translator program.

From my observation there is a lot of girls on there with an inflated sense of their worth in the market place but a dedicated monger might just find a gem or two here.

I would love to hear comments and/or adventures.[/QUOTE]The site does not instill much confidence.

I've been trying to find someone with a long term historical view of the profession.

My first visit to an FKK club was in 1999 and I'd always assumed their activities were entirely legal. Hence my high level of interest in your posting.

The acknowledged mother of all FKK clubs, Bernds, has been around for a good twenty-five to thirty years (pre 2002) though and I'm not sure how its long term existence fits into your framework of [i]kind of, sort of legal but not really[/i].

Isn't it (Bernds) for all intents and purposes an organized, institutionalized bordello? Doesn't this fall under the umbrella of "creating a proper environment"?

[QUOTE=Jackyo]The acknowledged mother of all FKK clubs, Bernds, has been around for a good twenty-five to thirty years (pre 2002) though and I'm not sure how its long term existence fits into your framework of [i]kind of, sort of legal but not really[/i].[/QUOTE]I've been making my contributions to the Young Girls College funds longer than I dare to admit, well, longer than Bernds existed. Trust me, pre 2002, prostitution was utterly illegal in Germany. However, it was "tolerated" within certain restrictions. Bordellos existed pre-2002 (and I can testify to it, ) although officially, they were dormitories for young maidens who paid by the day, "and anything else is between you and the lady. "

Whether somethings exists and whether it's legal are totally separate matters. During my Manhattan days, Channel 35 did show every night commercials for massage parlors, escorts and sexual services for all persuasions. I had a hard time explaining to my European friends that what they saw on the tube was totally illegal. Advertising it was legal, providing the advertised product could land you in the slammer. According to prevailing German law, you would have been sued for false advertising instead.

Are you alone in your hotel and you want to spend a full hour with your girlfriend? No problem. Forget yourselves about the expensive outcall VK or KD. Call Fernanda [url]http://www.ginaxxx. De. Vu[/url] (100€/hour) After 20 minutes she arrived to my hotel, she is really a wonderful wonderful girl, great body, long hair, beautiful smooth skin! I spent a full hour of really real love. More than sex. She was so wet and happy to make love. It's seems to be really with your real girlfriend. I had many experiences. But like this never. Really.

Please. If somebody decide to call her, tell her that His husband "Marco" had write her "real" name and number on the hand and that he doesn't want to divorce from her. (it's just a joke between me and her.)

[QUOTE=Zhuren]I've been making my contributions to the Young Girls College funds longer than I dare to admit, well, longer than Bernds existed. Trust me, pre 2002, prostitution was utterly illegal in Germany. However, it was "tolerated" within certain restrictions. Bordellos existed pre-2002 (and I can testify to it, ) although officially, they were dormitories for young maidens who paid by the day, "and anything else is between you and the lady. "
[/QUOTE]
or is it?

I think that the distinction goes back to the rationalization behind the FKK concept. The idea came to find a loophole in the anti- prostitution laws and they landed on the idea that there are many public sauna places in Germany, which while they are not per se "naturist clubs" are an example of the popular and extremely legal "Fkk" experience (FKK means naturist culture in German). In the public saunas or wellness clubs, everyone pays to get in, men, women and children enjoy their sauna and swimming in the buff, walk around only in towels, have an outdoor area to cool off from the hot sauna, can eat and get drinks, get a massage and have a relax area. Of course, they are also entirely sex-less environments, overt cuddling is a no-no and hard-ons are frowned upon.

In a pure FKK club (of which the best example is still Bernd's), all of the people pay to get in, walk around naked (or with a towel), can use the sauna (and in some clubs go swimming), get a massage, eat and drink, and relax. That's why it was called an "FKK club".

The men and women can consent amongst themselves how they want to relax, the club does not pimp the services, or pay the girls. It's role is to provide the facility for a fee, similar to the wellness clubs. So it can't be defined as a brotel. apples and oranges.....

The RLD was also around way before 2002, and goes back to the "allowing it in restricted areas" policy. These were usually allowed close to the main train stations to attract people coming from outlying areas, where P4P was not pernitted.

[QUOTE=Iseeu]I think that the distinction goes back to the rationalization behind the FKK concept. The idea came to find a loophole in the anti- prostitution laws and they landed on the idea that there are many public sauna places in Germany, which while they are not per se "naturist clubs" are an example of the popular and extremely legal "Fkk" experience (FKK means naturist culture in German). .[/QUOTE]Probably right. These days, such windowdressing is no longer necessary. [B] As long as the local government does not object, [/B] a proprietor can now legally hire talent and offer sexual services in the open, without the need for euphemisms. He or she just needs to make sure that all the other rules are being observed, taxes are paid, no illegal foreigners are hired, yadda, yadda .... But remember, the legal foundations for a backlash still exist.

Yesterday I've visited the place for the first time. There are so many positive reflections from all sides I hardly know where to begin.

First, and the most important: On their web page they have real pictures of girls and real working hours. So even if you have never been there before, you will for sure know who to expect once you are there. I was greeted at the door by Jenny, who took me in. Having entered I've found myself in a relatively spacey lobby, where at that very instant about five other girls were walking around. You greet them and everyone looks at you and smiles [another nice little tick]. Then Jenny (I've already recognized it's she) asked if I had an appointment. With a negative answer I was invited into a small room and after a minute the girls started entering and presenting themselves. I didn't count but there were about 8 of them; among these three women in their late thirties (maybe even older). Everyone smiles with a friendly smile and looks into your eyes. This is very pleasant. And you reply with the same. Before going there I've made a short list of four girls. Out of these I've recognized Jenny and Jeannine but stopped my choice on Jenny, who was also the first to introduce herself.

Then came the madam and asked if I'm here for the first time and whether I know the prices. Again, important: In this little room there hangs a price-list on the wall. The info is identical to that on the web-site. You will be always confronted with a "base-price" + "extras", depending on the girl doing them. I've opted for 40 minutes [base-price EUR 80] plus extras: "69" [+EUR 15] and kissing [+EUR 10] in case possible.

Then came Jenny and picked me up. Jenny: Slim little girl (about 165cm); small breast which is not as firm as it might have been earlier, but this does not make much difference to me. Body 7, 5/10. She has a typical east-german look (she told me afterwards she's from Berlin, which I readily believe). Fair hair, and extremely pleasant face when she smiles. Face: 9. 5/10, but, please, keep in mind that this grade is very subjective.

When we were in the room, we briefly talked about the extras, both of which appeared to be possible with me. She asked for 100 euros and then disappeared for a moment taking away the money and letting me get ready. I won't go in the further description and I don't like talking in terms of GFEs, but her attitude and her performance were 10+/10 and I've entirely lost the sense of time. Another important point: I am a very low-key and a bit too considerate guy, so sometimes the initiative need to come from the other side. I believe she has read that perfectly. : Splendid BBBJ [she refused to make it with condom] with BL and 69. FT; Amazing sex: first missionary and then she finished me off with a cowgirl. All this with a sweet conversation. After it was over we laid and kept talking for a while, all the time caressing and kissing each other. And the same continued when we stood up [a real GFE].

To sum up, I guess this visit was a great luck. Until the end of summer I'll be relatively frequently in Berlin, and Jenny is already on my list.

If I may give an advice, I would highly recommend the place. First of all: For the great attitude and the honesty in treating you and in conveying the information. I'm convinced though, that it is very important to remember, that the great attitude does not fall from the sky and should be both cherished and appreciated. At least from my first visit to the place: they are as nice to you as you are to them. So everything is in your own hands.

Finally, on their web-page, if you speak German, you can also find such nice extras as directions for the people in wheel-chairs, for instance. Which I believe speaks for itself.

P.S. : In this thread I haven't checked the postings older than about 45 days. So I guess, somebody has already written about Tiffany the same as I did above. If I'm doubling the info. Sorry for that.

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[QUOTE=Angus Magee]A visit to Tiffany's by Every Walker.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=614489&postcount=628[/url].[/QUOTE]Angus Magee, thanks for that! It's an honour.

I two weeks I'm in Berlin agian. Looking forward to vising the place and see her once more.

[QUOTE=Grudgee]...to Berlin. Great forum and interesting reading. Anyone know of a stripjoint that also offers serious action?[/QUOTE]

Is there a strip club in Berlin where you can talk you the way to fuck the girls?