Tokyo

First off, thanks to those that responded with advice for a gaijin's first trip to a soapland. I got in to Tokyo about 6 AM, but wasn't able to head over to Yoshiwara until around 3 in the afternoon. Due to mobile WiFi issues and a poor sense of direction, I ended up walking away from Yoshiwara from Minowa station for about 15 minutes before realizing my mistake. Got myself set on the right track after that and got to the soapland area shortly after. Far more places had open doors and smiles to greet me than I was expecting, so I pretty much just hopped from one shop to another seeing how much they wanted for 1.5-2 hours. A lot of shops I didn't recognize from the TAG list, and in addition to that I never did see Cream Lemon. I passed Platinum Stage and they were either closed that day or closed to me, as there were no touts or open doors on their street. Aile the'Ore tried particularly hard to get me in, going so far as to expand the girl selection and also drop their price from 76 k to 36 k (all I had on me) for 70 minutes. I wanted longer time though, so I ended up passing there as well. For some reason a lot of shops were quoting me 60-70 k at the start, I'm guessing due to the Andaz umbrella provided from the hotel.

I finally ended up at Naniwa, and was offered 60 minutes for 27 k. I asked how much 90 would be, and the papasan checked and offered 34 k. I took that offer and picked a girl, and was whisked away upstairs. The girl was cute, though I can't for the life of me remember her name. Special attention was given to all the right areas during the bath, and after some fun foreplay of mutual fingering, covered BJ, and DATY, we went for 2.5 rounds. Tried hard for the third, but she couldn't get me off that last time. The only big thing that caught me off guard was how much time we spent talking before and after, to the point that it felt like I still only got 50 minutes of actual play despite 90 minutes in the room. The worst part was that the chitchat was pretty awkward, as my Japanese is incredibly poor and a lot of communication was through google translate. She also offered to show me around Tokyo, which I stupidly declined. Only other minor inconvenience was the temperature. Lucky me, it was raining the entire time I was at Yoshiwara, so I was pretty wet and cold when I went into Naniwa. Taking the bath only made that worse, as the blowing air (the heater was not terribly effective) only made me cold to the point of shivering after hopping out of the tub.

All in all, it was a decent experience. I'd like to go back (not necessarily to Naniwa) with a larger budget though, as many places were outside my price range.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2032082]I've never paid any entry fee, yes the actual service can end up costing twice that it depends on the service and the girl, most people that are likely to pay twice as much are those who want to include anal sex, CIM etc. ... There are some gaijin girls, the only gaijin girls that work in the soapland are white Europeans that are also available to gaijins for the same price.[/QUOTE]The prices that are shown at the door are the entry fees, but the full service prices are also set so they don't depend on the service level. The added prices sound like you have been in Delivery Health place. There are also many DHs which have foreign girls, including Europeans, but I have never heard any white girl to be working in a soapland.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2034566]Are there reports here from white men who happen to speak Japanese, and that was the key that let them into what are usually Japanese only brothels?[/QUOTE]If we include pink salons, delivery healths and other establishments to brothels then yes. Some places will let you in if you speak fluent Japanese, some places let you in if you speak fluently and have citizenship and some places just don't let you in because of the color of your skin no matter what.

[QUOTE=Allbust;2034294]Which soapland can I do some Nakadashi (creampie) action? I am pretty sure it might cost some dollars. Or is it ill-advised for a gaijin?[/QUOTE]Some places and girls will do it and if they do then there is no extra charge. But what I have heard most don't do it with foreigners, just with Japanese customers.

Just took a stroll down Yoshiwara Taito, near the Skytree, and boy, what scammers, it is a $1000 to fuck a creature like those that work in sushi restaurants all over New York City. When you enter the red light district from the main Avenue in Taito it looks like all the Redlights in the West, of course, with those Roman columns (all fake shit) and crazy neon lights. Now, at every entrance, and there is probably about fifty *****houses with pictures of little girls, it said 20000 or 30 000 yen which is cca 200-300 $. Then they tell you it is an initial charge and then you have to pay for the girl an extra 500 $ (50 000 yen). They hold us Westerners for idiots apparently. Sure enough I passed on it, just took a look at some of the places from the outside and will head over to that Sugamo BBBJ New York New York or whatever they call it, maybe Jan Jan, another scam but at least you get a $30 quick BJ cum in mth by some old creature you can't even look at how ugly they are, but fuck it, another scam but what you goina do?

Traveling to Philippines for the first time, Angeles City, place where, from what I've heard real women reside. Please, any experiences and stories from my friends who've done it are welcome, wouldn't like to be disappointed out there next week. Peace brothers.

[QUOTE=DavidSchmauch;2035397]They hold us Westerners for idiots apparently.[/QUOTE]Well, that's how the system works for everyone including the locals. Seems you hit the expensive places though as the economy ones in Yoshiwara start around 20 thousand but can go up to 100 thousand (total cost).

But yeah, if I had a visit to Angeles City in sight I would not be mongering in Tokyo. The prices are much lower and the selection much bigger there, though I have heard the quality has been going down lately.

[QUOTE=OldGeezer;2035767]Well, that's how the system works for everyone including the locals. Seems you hit the expensive places though as the economy ones in Yoshiwara start around 20 thousand but can go up to 100 thousand (total cost).

But yeah, if I had a visit to Angeles City in sight I would not be mongering in Tokyo. The prices are much lower and the selection much bigger there, though I have heard the quality has been going down lately.[/QUOTE]For those who do a bit of homework, and don't compare what is not comparable, there are quite a big number of foreigner's friendly soaplands in Yoshiwara delivering FS by reasonably cute young Japanese girls for less than 30000, all included, that is cat bath, mat play, nuru, BBBJ and FS, for 70-90 minutes. . Reports are available on this site ans some others, by many punters, including myself.

[QUOTE=OldGeezer;2035767]Well, that's how the system works for everyone including the locals. Seems you hit the expensive places though as the economy ones in Yoshiwara start around 20 thousand but can go up to 100 thousand (total cost).

But yeah, if I had a visit to Angeles City in sight I would not be mongering in Tokyo. The prices are much lower and the selection much bigger there, though I have heard the quality has been going down lately.[/QUOTE]OG is right. I lived for nearly a decade in Japan, and speak Japanese fluently, but also am becoming an old geezer now, who presently spends most of his time in the Philippines. An affordable pre-retirement venue with plenty of willing and available care-givers, no matter what kind of care you might need. A kind of Disneyland or candy store for men. Quality still high if you just know where to look and are selective.

Not so far away after all. A relatively affordable nonstop flight on several carriers. Especially reasonable airfares with advance booking.

One of my friends in Japan relays to me some reports from his daughter who currently attends university in Tokyo. She is a well brought up young woman, but reports that, apparently, there are Japanese "taxi" girls at the same university, who will hop into the sack with anyone who strikes their fancy? Too late for me.

I still find Japanese women the most delectable, but mostly for their alluring attitudes, and not so much just for casual sex. Are there still omoiyari women in Japan? What's the best translation of omoiyari? More than "shinsetsu" or "kind". Perhaps a combination of "caring" and "empathetic".

Used to have a fantasy while in Japan of producing my own short film, starring myself and one or more JAV dolls, especially with their "shiofuki" (squirting or gushing). Just for the fun of it.

OM.

P.S. Maria Ozawa recently opened her own place in Manila, but I have not yet visited. Too many other available opportunities and adventures here.

[QUOTE=Neurosynth;2034566]That's contrary to everything I've heard. Are there reports here from white men who happen to speak Japanese, and that was the key that let them into what are usually Japanese only brothels?

(The Japanese have a long history of widely accepted racial beliefs, and treating even other asians (e. G. Chinese) poorly or even genocidally.).[/QUOTE]No country is perfect, I've been in Brazil and many other countries, the most famous terma Centaurus, Gringos pay more expensive than locals. In Czech Republic, some blacks are rejected by some girls, FKK in Germany they don't let in many foreigners that don't look white European, in Thailland, Thai girls prefer Japanese or Korean tourists over other guys belonging to another race, the USA many advertisements say NO black, in Moscow you are more likely to pay more expensive than locals for the same girl. Etc etc etc etc I can continue but the list is too long.

No country is perfect, Japan is a country like others, don't listen to others just go and check by yourself, if you don't like it it is your problem, many foreigners don't speak good Japanese in Japan, speaking Japanese is easier to communicate, there are girls for gaijin and Japanese and there are girls only for Japanese.

[QUOTE=DavidSchmauch;2035397]Just took a stroll down Yoshiwara Taito, near the Skytree, and boy, what scammers, it is a $1000 to fuck a creature like those that work in sushi restaurants all over New York City. When you enter the red light district from the main Avenue in Taito it looks like all the Redlights in the West, of course, with those Roman columns (all fake shit) and crazy neon lights. Now, at every entrance, and there is probably about fifty *****houses with pictures of little girls, it said 20000 or 30 000 yen which is cca 200-300 $. Then they tell you it is an initial charge and then you have to pay for the girl an extra 500 $ (50 000 yen). They hold us Westerners for idiots apparently. Sure enough I passed on it, just took a look at some of the places from the outside and will head over to that Sugamo BBBJ New York New York or whatever they call it, maybe Jan Jan, another scam but at least you get a $30 quick BJ cum in mth by some old creature you can't even look at how ugly they are, but fuck it, another scam but what you goina do?

Traveling to Philippines for the first time, Angeles City, place where, from what I've heard real women reside. Please, any experiences and stories from my friends who've done it are welcome, wouldn't like to be disappointed out there next week. Peace brothers.[/QUOTE]You went to the wrong soapland, in Yoshiwara there are many friendly soaplands, there are many cute young girls, it is your first time there, I had the same experience for my first time I went there alone but no I always do some work before sessioning I can tell you there are many friendly gaijin soaplands with more gaijin friendly girls Yoshiwara is not small, it depends on the day and how many friendly girls are available.

[QUOTE=Komo753;2036259]
No country is perfect, Japan is a country like others, don't listen to others just go and check by yourself, if you don't like it it is your problem, many foreigners don't speak good Japanese in Japan, speaking Japanese is easier to communicate, there are girls for gaijin and Japanese and there are girls only for Japanese.[/QUOTE]Although it is easy to learn basic Japanese, it is a very complex language with many cultural levels. Using the wrong level at an inappropriate time can lead to confusion and / or embarrassment for the other party. The rejection is not really based on racist grounds, it is purely they don't want to "lose face" by misinterpreting what you say. Good communication requires that the girl has an equal or better understanding of English than you do of Japanese.

[QUOTE=AussieGaigin;2036588]Although it is easy to learn basic Japanese, it is a very complex language with many cultural levels. Using the wrong level at an inappropriate time can lead to confusion and / or embarrassment for the other party. The rejection is not really based on racist grounds, it is purely they don't want to "lose face" by misinterpreting what you say. Good communication requires that the girl has an equal or better understanding of English than you do of Japanese.[/QUOTE]Totally agree, my Japanese is not good, I still pay the gaijin price, I've never paid over 30000 yen, as mentioned below, there is not only one soapland in Yoshiwara, what I like about Yoshiwara if you don't agree on the price you can easily check another soapland, people that pay over 70000 are newbies. I have another friend, he is a foreigner that speak good japanese, he has never had trouble paying the Japanese price and going to any soaplands. He is half Mexican and half white american.

In Japan many foreigners say they speak japanese but in reality they don't, I haven't met many foreigners that speak good japanese in Japan. Japanese is a very complex language for speakers of european, african and middle eastern languages even for some asians.

You only need intermediate Japanese to use services in Japan. For delivery health you can get a good lady 20's to 40's for only 15000 yen for 2 hours. I would never pay more than 20000 for soap 90 minutes or 20000 for delivery for 2 hours.

There are some foreign scam artists out there promoting their high priced hookers.

The economy here is not good and the girls at high class places are also registered at the lower priced places. The same girls charging 50 k an hour work in the 20 k for 2 hour places.

As for Asian mystique they have very low grade women at higher than average prices add 10 to 15 years for age of any woman and you will not be disappointing.

[QUOTE=Laydher;2036982]You only need intermediate Japanese to use services in Japan. For delivery health you can get a good lady 20's to 40's for only 15000 yen for 2 hours. I would never pay more than 20000 for soap 90 minutes or 20000 for delivery for 2 hours.

There are some foreign scam artists out there promoting their high priced hookers.

The economy here is not good and the girls at high class places are also registered at the lower priced places. The same girls charging 50 k an hour work in the 20 k for 2 hour places.

As for Asian mystique they have very low grade women at higher than average prices add 10 to 15 years for age of any woman and you will not be disappointing.[/QUOTE]I concur with these thoughts. You need only moderate Japanese conversation skills to get in the door, and when you show the handlers you can have basic conversation with a girl that might open more possibilities. Their biggest concern is that you can't, which could easily lead to a mis-understanding.

After all, conversation with a hooker consists mostly of food, hobbies and other basic stuff like where are you from? Etc. She is not going to be your psychologist for an hour or two. And a bunch of talk leaves less time for the reason you are with her.

[QUOTE=Dreams;2034188]No FS. If you are lucky, BBBJ and sumata. Usually elderly (40/50+) women, but, again, you can be lucky.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your reply.

Honestly, I'm not seeing enough solid reviews here on ISG to make me want to spend $300 USD or more on Tokyo Hentai Club or some other Yoshiwara spot in Tokyo. To me it's not worth it! I have to consider many things.

1. I'm only getting 1 or 2 pops.

2. I might be disappointed in the girl I get.

With that said. What I do get for my $300 USD converted to Japanese yen:

1. Shower with girl. (but you can get this in Gotanda at $100 Oasis with Chinese provider).

2. BJ not sure if this is always covered? (You can get BBBJ at Jan Jan or Dio by 2 old women providers double pop).

3. Price range can go way up depending on what I want.

I guess because of my past experience in Japan and in comparison with Germany and Mexico I really don't see the need to drop $300 USD on 1 or 2 pops with the same girl. Why?

My Reasoning:

$300 USD in Germany at a sauna club (all over Germany) or street girls in Berlin will get you potentially 4 to 5 different girls mostly real hot as hell blonde Romanians or Germans and all will be close to GFE. (Plus more great free beer for first timers near Berlin's street walker hoe stroll).

$300 USD in Mexico at Hong Kong or street girls in Tijuana will get you potentially 5 to 6 different girls and all will be close to GFE. (Some of these girls are 18 years old).

So why in the world do we spend so much money on a piece of arse in Japan? And. For only for 1 or 2 pops? I don't get it. Would someone please explain as I have been to Japan 8 times all over at lots of BBBJ spots, FS spots, and Osaka red light district Tobita spot and I don't understand it and why people are willing to pay such a high price for one cute japanese girl? Would someone please shed some light on this subject because for the life of me and my experience I don't think it's worth the money!