Tokyo

[QUOTE=BennieBen;3047414]I seen this on THC webiste they written a rule: Do the companions provide "full service" (Sexual Intercourse)?

No. Please acknowledge that in Japan financial compensation for "Vaginal Penetration" has been outlawed since 1956. We would appreciate your co-operation by not asking our staff and companions for this particular service.

Are they writting this to protecte themselve or its really like this? I lived so bad experience like this, not a lot, but it thaiuland it happened a few time: gogo who is refusing to fuck at the room. Legally they ca, they are not forced, but they work as gogo in a bar into tan open air brothel so only one on like a thousand refused. I am asking because I would be very frustrated to go to tokyo and live this.[/QUOTE]They are doing it to protect themselves. Legally they cannot offer it or accept payment for it in their office.

They will also send it to you in most of your appointment confirmations. No matter how many of their girls you fuck. Every time they will make you acknowledge that FS is illegal and not included.

Once in the room with the girl, either she offers you FS or you ask for it. For extra charge, always. It's not included into the basic fee.

99% of THC and TAE girls will do FS. The 1% that doesn't are probably on their period.

At the risk of sounding pedantic or condesending, never make your conclusions based on one review. Go back a few pages.

Not only will these girls offer you FS, most will do BBFSCIP for the right price.

[QUOTE=CaptainSolo;3047422]Tokyo Hentai girls want 10 K yens, quick and happy.

Tokyo Amateur, a grad student, wanted 20 K yens and was hesitant. She said would lose her job if her boss found out she had sex.

Their bosses tightly monitor their time, movements, expressions.[/QUOTE]Meaning no disrespect, when were you in Tokyo?

I was there a few months ago and posted detailed reviews of many THC and TAE girls.

My data:

THC is very overpriced. THC girls start negotiation at 30 K for CFS but go down to 15 k CFS or 20 k BBFS (CIP is very YMMV). Best price I was able to get was 13 K for CFS.

TAE girls will virtually all do CFS for 10 k. TAE advertises it as AF (anal fuck) to stay legal.

You can't pay for it in the office. They will all agree to it in the room. I fucked 3 out of 5 TAE girls I saw without any issues for 10 k. The only ones I didn't fuck I didn't think to ask her (my first TAE girl) abd an ugly girl I didn't want to fuck. Nobody will gets fired. The management knows they all fuck. The TAE girls you saw was either very new or was lying to you to charge you more.

In fact I reported an ugly TAE girl to the management stating her pictures absolutely didn't match. Several months later she is still working there using the same 100% fake pictures. Management doesn't care and will not fire anyone.

Having said that, your contributions are highly appreciated and I am reading many of your posts in the Saigon thread. I will hit you up with questions after I RTFM in that thread.

[QUOTE=Captain Solo;3047422]Tokyo Hentai girls want 10 K yens, quick and happy.

Tokyo Amateur, a grad student, wanted 20 K yens and was hesitant. She said would lose her job if her boss found out she had sex.

Their bosses tightly monitor their time, movements, expressions.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I noticed TAE girls were a bit more hush hush about it, asking me not to say in public. The shop is probably just playing it safe to avoid drawing attention. It also lets the girls say no to guys, which is going to happen if a guy doesn't seem clean or safe. Also, I'll give the example that some girls let me do video but my own friends were turned down. Of course they got fs from them. Video is way more ymmv. The girl did ask me not to say they offered it, precisely so they can simply say no to guys.

Yes, the hotter girls did ask for 20K. The less attractive girls did not. In Japan, girls do know their rank you could say.

[QUOTE=Csnow;3047476]Meaning no disrespect, when were you in Tokyo?

THC is very overpriced. THC girls start negotiation at 30 K for CFS but go down to 15 k CFS or 20 k BBFS (CIP is very YMMV). Best price I was able to get was 13 K for CFS.

TAE girls will virtually all do CFS for 10 k. TAE advertises it as AF (anal fuck) to stay legal.

You can't pay for it in the office. They will all agree to it in the room. I fucked 3 out of 5 TAE girls I saw without any issues for 10 k. The only ones I didn't fuck I didn't think to ask her (my first TAE girl) abd an ugly girl I didn't want to fuck. Nobody will gets fired. The management knows they all fuck.[/QUOTE]

Captain is quoting last year's rates. But keep in mind each guy can be getting different rates. There are occasionally TAE girls doing it for free, and I did get higher quotes from hotter girls. But I felt TAE was cheap and reasonable (only hot girls asked for more). I wrote out my thoughts on negotiating for fs. Probably, someone has a better approach this is just how I do it based on my experience:
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?977-Tokyo&p=2979529&viewfull=1#post2979529[/URL] Negotiating in DH

I used to negotiate for fs all the time in strip clubs, and the veterans always said they will dress down and look poor (but be clean and respectful). So they would go in with sandals and shorts even to give that impression (that is too extreme for me, I'm just illustrating their approach). So I know from strip clubs one guy will get quoted a normal rate by a stripper but the same girl will quote high for another guy. Either because he seemed to have more money or simply she didn't like the guy. Hope that makes sense. Not every girl does this at all, but the point is guys had this approach to improve their odds in the long-run.

About booting the uglies, it is tricky. One person's complaint will never do it. I wrote recently at korgs in the US, an F-Tier girl will get booted fast in 2-3 days max - right after she was hired. It's inevitable because one customer after another will give that feedback. But a D-Tier girl won't, she meets the standard and probably has amazing skills and service. Actually, some of the most popular girls are kind of ugly but give amazing service so guys who care about looks aren't going to boot them through complaints (we aren't the target audience). D Looks and A Service. It's the E-Tier range where it's kind of iffy. If a girl has been with a shop a long time, they aren't going to give much weight to one new complaint when she passed the probation period. Hope that makes sense, when I say uglies get booted on feedback that is going to be during her probation period. Past probation, girls get booted if they really screw up more than once (i.e. a pattern of problems).

To some degree, some E-Tier girls slip through the cracks because not enough guys spoke up honestly. Or, more surprisingly, some customers actually like her and keep booking her. They are not going to fire a girl who has enough regulars in other words.

[QUOTE=Csnow;3047476]TAE girls will virtually all do CFS for 10 k. TAE advertises it as AF (anal fuck) to stay legal.

You can't pay for it in the office. They will all agree to it in the room. [/QUOTE]Yes, this is my experience, repeated many times over and over.

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This was my last date via THC (not my last date in Japan), and quite likely I'm at least partially at fault for it not going great. If there is a girl I might've repeated with (besides amazing Mirai of course), that would be Asahi.

I started out poorly by being 5 minutes late. Now, THC tells you to be there 15 minutes before your appointment time. I stopped doing that after the no-show by Imaru when I had to wait 45 minutes for nothing. However, it's the first time I was actually late. What's the worse, Asahi was already there, standing outside, with sunbrella, in 100 F degree heat, waiting for me. I still had to go up to pay to the office and then back down to "meet" her. I don't know how long she had to stand outside waiting for me, even 10-15 minutes feels like forever in that sun. That's strike 1 against me.

She looked reasonably close to the pictures. Cute face, skinny, maybe a bit skinner than the pics.

Strike 2 was the hotel. I told her I wanted to use cheap love hotel LaPia. It's cheap and older but perfectly clean, and two different THC girls took me to it themselves (that's how I knew about it). Asahi had a major issue with it, asking me if it was one of the THC approved hotels, etc. THC told me before I can take a girl to more or less any hotel within 5 minute walk from the office. It wasn't more than 5 minute walk. However THC girls like picking expensive hotels when they can. Why not, they are not paying for them, you are.

So she was mildly pissed about going to a cheap hotel of my choice. I mean it's part on me part on her. She was being a bit prima donna, I was being a bit cheap. We will call it frugal to make me sound better.

We get to the hotel and I rent the cheapest room. I never had that room before. We walk in and it's still fine. However Asahi is throwing a fit, walking around and grimacing, saying shit in Japanese, and repeating in English "dark, dark". I mean it was a darker room, but perfectly clean and air-conditioned. Bathroom was sparking clean. All was well, but she was not happy.

So we proceed with shower and stuff, and she is still not in a good mood. All the way to the sex she was complaining about this and that. I guess that's the chance you take if you don't let a THC girl pick the expensive hotel she wants.

Finally she got in a bit better mood when the sex actually started. She offered secret option at 30 k. After all of her complaining, I wasn't feeling like spending that much, and she wasn't willing to negotiate too much. I basically told her no.

We proceeded with the standard. A bit of kissing, nip licking, DATY, 69, and BBBJCIM. The sex wasn't bad, and she is a cute girl. I thought she looked skinnier (not in a good way) than her pictures, but the face was pretty. She is supposedly a model (or was one). I don't know if she is model-level pretty, but pretty enough for me. In CIM she couldn't take it all in the mouth and some spilled out of her mouth in front of me. It was actually pretty hot, LOL.

Anyway, funnily enough this is where the better part of the session started. We got through the sex pretty quick, and I was doing 60 minutes only, so only 1 shot per THC rules. We had time left, and we started to chat. She totally relaxed and got in a really good mood now. All of a sudden she was charming, playful, and fun to talk to. I mean, part of it could've been that "the worst part" (for her) of the session was over, so now she was happier. Part of it was probably that she did finally got over all of initial annoyances.

She does have charming personality once she relaxes and tries to charm you, and she is fun to talk to. Pretty good English as well. That's the main reason why I said maybe I would've repeated with her, showed up on time, let her take me to whatever the fuck expensive hotel she wanted, and see how *that* appointment went. I did like her. It's just that this particular session didn't go great.

The damage was 29 k for 60 minutes diamond + 3 k for CIM + 4 k for the hotel = $37 K, or $237 USD. Definitely *not* a great deal I would say for BBBJCIM only, no FS, but THC in general is very overpriced.

[QUOTE=Csnow;3047654]Now, THC tells you to be there 15 minutes before your appointment time. I stopped doing that after the no-show by Imaru when I had to wait 45 minutes for nothing.[/QUOTE]Besides the possibility of being a no-show like you had, are there other reasons to not choose to meet the girl at the office and then walk to a nearby hotel? It seems like the walk would be a good chance to try to build some rapport with her.

[QUOTE=Csnow;3047654]We get to the hotel and I rent the cheapest room. I never had that room before. We walk in and it's still fine. However Asahi is throwing a fit, walking around and grimacing, saying shit in Japanese, and repeating in English "dark, dark". I mean it was a darker room, but perfectly clean and air-conditioned. Bathroom was sparking clean. All was well, but she was not happy.

She does have charming personality once she relaxes and tries to charm you, and she is fun to talk to. Pretty good English as well. That's the main reason why I said maybe I would've repeated with her, showed up on time, let her take me to whatever the fuck expensive hotel she wanted, and see how *that* appointment went. I did like her. It's just that this particular session didn't go great.

The damage was 29 k for 60 minutes diamond + 3 k for CIM + 4 k for the hotel = $37 K, or $237 USD. Definitely *not* a great deal I would say for BBBJCIM only, no FS, but THC in general is very overpriced.[/QUOTE]

Every girl is different. I've had odd experiences like yours and thought I should be careful about something for a while, only to realize later it was just that one girl being odd. That said, while it does make sense to save money on hotel you also get what you pay for. Maybe you can strike the balance with a step up or two if that would reassure you (as much as for the girl).

I always call the girl to my hotel, and there are big pros and cons. One of the major pros is if I plan it out and hang out at my hotel to rest after sightseeing and fun, I use my time well. I'm never late! If the girl cancels, I'm not stuck somewhere I could actually immediately pivot. Since I use TAE from Shibuya, they can send a different girl in 10-30 minutes. But more likely, I take that as a sign and just go out and do something else. Being flexible is part of adventure.

Many others have agreed that THC in general is overpriced. One factor though is if you find a girl who is your type, it doesn't matter which agency you'll like her. So one advantage of TAE is you can find a winner and repeat her cheap. Whereas I've tried Gingira for hotter girls who cost a little more but were much hotter so I felt it was good value. Since THC caters to foreigners, it's one factor in inflated tips. It is a recurring theme with THC reviews. Basically, THC has the most widespread marketing and awareness. Convenience.

[QUOTE=GH480;3047736]Besides the possibility of being a no-show like you had, are there other reasons to not choose to meet the girl at the office and then walk to a nearby hotel? It seems like the walk would be a good chance to try to build some rapport with her.[/QUOTE]If you are going THC incall, that's actually your only option. You HAVE TO come to their office first, pay them, after which your girl will come and meet you downstairs.

You are 100% correct, walking to a love hotel with a girl is perfect as an icebreaker, especially if she speaks conversational English. Not all THC girls speak good English. Some speak hardly any English, which can make that walk of shame a lot less enjoyable. It all depends on the girl.

[QUOTE=TravelerX;3047756]Every girl is different. I've had odd experiences like yours and thought I should be careful about something for a while, only to realize later it was just that one girl being odd. That said, while it does make sense to save money on hotel you also get what you pay for. Maybe you can strike the balance with a step up or two if that would reassure you (as much as for the girl).

I always call the girl to my hotel, and there are big pros and cons. One of the major pros is if I plan it out and hang out at my hotel to rest after sightseeing and fun, I use my time well. I'm never late! If the girl cancels, I'm not stuck somewhere I could actually immediately pivot. Since I use TAE from Shibuya, they can send a different girl in 10-30 minutes. But more likely, I take that as a sign and just go out and do something else. Being flexible is part of adventure.

Many others have agreed that THC in general is overpriced. One factor though is if you find a girl who is your type, it doesn't matter which agency you'll like her. So one advantage of TAE is you can find a winner and repeat her cheap. Whereas I've tried Gingira for hotter girls who cost a little more but were much hotter so I felt it was good value. Since THC caters to foreigners, it's one factor in inflated tips. It is a recurring theme with THC reviews. Basically, THC has the most widespread marketing and awareness. Convenience.[/QUOTE]100% agree, it might've been just her. Like I said, I had two other THC girls take me to that exact hotel. One was Len, can't remember now who the other one was. Maybe Asahi is just moody.

Also 100% agree, TAE is a much better option. Cheaper, younger, fresher girls that genuinely enjoy foreigners and sex. The reason it took me so long to switch to them was Mashiro, the fat ugly girl using 100% fake pictures that don't even resemble her and providing shitty lazy service. NvRoberto ran into her as well and has the same experience as me. Took me a while to give them another chance. Overall TAE girls are solid IMHO but some uglies and fatties are hiding in their 60-girl lineup.

Never had a chance to experience Gingira unfortunately.

My hotel would've been nice but I'm overly paranoid about paper trail, even when everything is legal. That's my cross to bear I guess, LOL.

Thank you for all your advice as always!

If I go to the TAE shop, do they have the real pics of their faces and body?

I have only done outcalls at TAE.

[QUOTE=MassageLover81;3047846]If I go to the TAE shop, do they have the real pics of their faces and body?

I have only done outcalls at TAE.[/QUOTE]They show you laminated cards with the same pictures from the website, and there is information on the card too but it's all in Japanese.

[QUOTE=MassageLover81;3047846]If I go to the TAE shop, do they have the real pics of their faces and body?

I have only done outcalls at TAE.[/QUOTE]THC web site says you can see unfiltered face pics at the shop. Sounds like not at TAE.

[QUOTE=Csnow;3047767]Also 100% agree, TAE is a much better option. Cheaper, younger, fresher girls that genuinely enjoy foreigners and sex. The reason it took me so long to switch to them was Mashiro, the fat ugly girl using 100% fake pictures that don't even resemble her and providing shitty lazy service. NvRoberto ran into her as well and has the same experience as me. Took me a while to give them another chance. Overall TAE girls are solid IMHO but some uglies and fatties are hiding in their 60-girl lineup.[/QUOTE]Even the best baseball players in the world miss a ball now and again. My batting average at TAE is very high, after repeat trips, so I am going to stick with it unless something better comes along.

After a few sessions with the same DH / soapland girl, are they open to exchanging contact info and meeting outside the agency / soapland?

[QUOTE=JackieMarlo;3047880]Even the best baseball players in the world miss a ball now and again. My batting average at TAE is very high, after repeat trips, so I am going to stick with it unless something better comes along.[/QUOTE]To the point where I will likely be staying in Shibuya rather than Shinjuku for the next trip, aiming to be close to TAE office, (I do incalls only).