Uganda

[Grateful Spread]

I wonder why it's called Posh Bar and Restaurant when they don't have any food.

When I was there in March, it was possible to order snacks at De Posh, having eaten spicy chicken there with my girlfriend. I wasn't aware that they were branding it as a bar and restaurant. Are we talking about the same place? If so, would agree the 'restaurant' tag may be a bit of an exaggeration.

[Member #4480]

I somehow doubt that the majority of locals pay 5-10k. I frequently go there with my local colleagues from the office, I have never heard of any of them paying that low. It may be because we are usually trying to pick the "best" chicks instead of the cheapest ones. The two main problems with Capitol are that it only kicks off really late, making next day at work less pleasant, and that the standard of "product" is so low that we end up going home alone at least half the time.

Apply the 80/20 rule here. 80% of the men in Kabalagala's pubs don't work in "offices" or have "colleagues". Most are marginally employed (lucky to even earn 5k per day) and can be typically seen nursing one soft drink or beer for the entire evening. 80% of the prostitutes in Kabalagala come from the surrounding slums and are either unemployed or underemployed. They will and do take 5 to 10k or the equivalent in food and booze from these locals.

Ex-pats like you (presumably) , tourists, business travelers and upper scale Ugandans make up the other 20% of the male clientele in Kabalagala. 20% of the "best chicks" as you put it, are really just the ones coming from striking out at Rock Gardens, Bubbles, Iguana and some of the other places well outside of Kabalagala before going home. Most will adjust their prices downwards given the venue and time, but others seeing you and your well-to-do colleagues will still think that they can "get over on you" with this 50-80k crap. Many of the hookers that quote 100k at rock gardens at 12-1pm, will go with you for 20k at 4-5am at Capital pub, De-posh and at Al's in Kansanga.

On another note, I wonder why it's called Posh Bar and Restaurant when they don't have any food.

Perhaps its changed ownership since it opened? I toured the place before it was finished, and they had a nice size kitchen built up and the intent was definitely to serve food 24/7. I haven't been in there for like 5-6 months, but when I was there they had (what looked like from a distance) a formal dining section. Maybe this is now the "rear area" that Ugandakid is referring to below?

[Khun Sanuk]

Actually, the typical Kabalagala hooker migration is more like: De-Posh, Capital, De-Posh. Personally, I don't care for De-Posh as it's relatively small, not laid out well and the music is far too loud. Not to mention a major design flaw in the bar area resulting in an ultra low ceiling giving an almost claustrophobic effect. I suppose this is what happens when a former Kabalagala prostitute and British "John" collaborate on a pub concept. Well her concept, his money. That said, I give them credit for at least trying to do something a little different from the norm in kabalagala. It's really unfortunate that they just missed on a few of the finer details.

While Capital Pub is far from pristine and is certainly no architectural marvel, its size, layout and almost 100% hooker clientele are far more conducive for hunting and being hunted. Not to mention music played at acceptable volume levels so you can carry on the perfunctory pre-nut chit chat.

If you're a mzungu (or foreigner) stick to De-Posh or Capital. Don't bother with any of the other pubs in kabalagala.

Hmmm, locals are paying 5-10k max. You can easily get a BJ for 10K, FS for 20K. These are all ST prices.

I somehow doubt that the majority of locals pay 5-10k. I frequently go there with my local colleagues from the office, I have never heard of any of them paying that low. It may be because we are usually trying to pick the "best" chicks instead of the cheapest ones. The two main problems with Capitol are that it only kicks off really late, making next day at work less pleasant, and that the standard of "product" is so low that we end up going home alone at least half the time.

On another note, I wonder why it's called Posh Bar and Restaurant when they don't have any food.

[UgandaKid]

Reference De (Le) Posh, there is a new members area at the rear. I don't know much of the detials, but it is an attempt to seperate the Muzungu's from the locals and to attract a 'higher' class of ladies. No doubt a massive 'higher' price for their services too!

[Member #4480]

I should add that De Posh Bar, just up the road from Capitol Pub is among the few "happening" bars 7 days a week. Lots of girls from Capitol Pub, as they'll try Posh before walking down to Capitol.

Actually, the typical Kabalagala hooker migration is more like: De-Posh, Capital, De-Posh. Personally, I don't care for De-Posh as it's relatively small, not laid out well and the music is far too loud. Not to mention a major design flaw in the bar area resulting in an ultra low ceiling giving an almost claustrophobic effect. I suppose this is what happens when a former Kabalagala prostitute and British "John" collaborate on a pub concept. Well her concept, his money. That said, I give them credit for at least trying to do something a little different from the norm in kabalagala. It's really unfortunate that they just missed on a few of the finer details.

While Capital Pub is far from pristine and is certainly no architectural marvel, its size, layout and almost 100% hooker clientele are far more conducive for hunting and being hunted. Not to mention music played at acceptable volume levels so you can carry on the perfunctory pre-nut chit chat.

If you're a mzungu (or foreigner) stick to De-Posh or Capital. Don't bother with any of the other pubs in kabalagala.

Most of the time. 50-75% of the girls there are hookers (pro and semi-pro) , the rest are just "regular' girls out to have fun. Price should normally be around 50-80 as well. You will of course find a few who ask for less, and some who ask for quite a lot more.

Hmmm, locals are paying 5-10k max. You can easily get a BJ for 10K, FS for 20K. These are all ST prices.

[Khun Sanuk]

As you say, the price varies a lot. I would say it's usually between 30, 000 and 200, 000.

At Capitol Pub you may be able to bargain it down to 30k, but probably more like 50-80. According to the newspaper today, you can get it for 10k per hour in the slums of Bwaise, however I can't imagine you wanting to try that out. If you put in a bit of effort, or you know someone who will connect you, there are lots of students willing to come home to you for 70k-100k all night, including the really hot ones. In Rock Garden you may pay around 50-100, though 100 is more common than 50. The chicks from Burundi and Rwanda may ask for 80-200 and there are also a few Ugandans who won't be keen to go for less than 150. At Serena Hotel you may pay double the price for the exact same girls. Cayenne is now flooded with hookers on Friday and Saturday, I'd say around 100-150k for the hottest ones. For 200k you are either poor at negotiating, or you should get a contestant in Miss Uganda competitions.

Hence, I'd say around 100k is average.

Hope it helps.

I should add that De Posh Bar, just up the road from Capitol Pub is among the few "happening" bars 7 days a week. Lots of girls from Capitol Pub, as they'll try Posh before walking down to Capitol. Most of the time. 50-75% of the girls there are hookers (pro and semi-pro) , the rest are just "regular' girls out to have fun. Price should normally be around 50-80 as well. You will of course find a few who ask for less, and some who ask for quite a lot more.

Other bars to look for a mix of pro / semi-pro / regular chicks include Latino's (particularly Friday+Saturday) , Bubbles (Wednesday, Friday, Saturday). Here you'll find anything from office girls hanging out with a group of colleagues with no interest in talking to strange men, to full-on pros. These two places are popular with foreign guys working in Kampala, and a lot of the girls there are with their boyfriends. You won't make new friends if you're hitting on girls in front of their boyfriends.

Good luck.

Ks

[Member #4480]

Khune thanks for the valuebale information canu tell us location of Caynne in relation to Kamapala road?

Http://cayennekampala.com/map.php

[Member #4480]

Just looked on uktraveler previous posts. No trip reports and most of his reports looks like this:

Why in the world would somebody who has lived and / or is living in either the Dominican Republic or East Africa write up a "trip report'?

[Member #4480]

Hi uk traveller,

She is beautiful.

If you have her cell phone and want to share, please pm me.

Thanks.

Uktraveler is no longer on this site.

[Nanar4697]

Hi uk traveller,

She is beautiful.

If you have her cell phone and want to share, please pm me.

Thanks.

So I've been getting away from taking pics lately because I'm mostly dealing with a bunch of old regulars and I'm tired of dealing with all of the crap from the new girls when I breakout the camera. Not to mention the associated loss of leverage.

Anyway, this girl became one of my newer regulars mostly for convenience purposes. Another lazy fuck, but she would call me at the right time. Usually in the mornings when I just needed a release.

Sorry for the crappy editing.

[Jiggydus]

Khune thanks for the valuebale information canu tell us location of Caynne in relation to Kamapala road?

Cayenne is indeed the happening club. I checked out Rock Garden but also went to Cayenne on two or three occasions with my dear gf. Yes there are loads of single women there and I did see at least one doing the Lambada with her date. Not sure if they came together, but a lot of the "good girls out for a good time" go there. So I wouldn't say I saw pros there. It definitely is not the same environment as Rock Garden. I never got propositioned by any of the ladies there, but then again, my date knew most of the ladies there and it was clear we came together, and she introduced me to a lot of the other ladies. On a side note, one of her friends did take an interest in me and I might see where that interest leads when I revisit Kampala later this year. Of course, I had a good time with my gf, and the only expense I incurred was cab fare, club cover charge, and food & drink. So I can't speak to the outrageous sums of dough some are willing to shell out. The girls at Cayenne are sharp and trendy and I know that can only come about with money, but from what I observed, many of the single ladies seemed to pair up with guys they had met before or knew, so not the same as Rock Garden. At least, not when I visited in February of this year. I don't know if the Ugandans price upwards when with non-black guy as even in the one instance when I ventured into a p4p situation, the high asking amount was less than 50K and I gave her 29K. So enjoy. I will stick to the non-pro scene as I am growing tired of the p4p shaninigans of some of these ladies. Less drama with non-pros and I know how to handle the "additional" support requests that inevitably come. But I have actually had to fend for my well-being in a recent p4p encounter in Senegal, had to call security to remove a lady from my room also in Senegal.

[Pagal Chacha]

As you say, the price varies a lot. I would say it's usually between 30, 000 and 200, 000.

At Capitol Pub you may be able to bargain it down to 30k, but probably more like 50-80. According to the newspaper today, you can get it for 10k per hour in the slums of Bwaise, however I can't imagine you wanting to try that out. If you put in a bit of effort, or you know someone who will connect you, there are lots of students willing to come home to you for 70k-100k all night, including the really hot ones. In Rock Garden you may pay around 50-100, though 100 is more common than 50. The chicks from Burundi and Rwanda may ask for 80-200 and there are also a few Ugandans who won't be keen to go for less than 150. At Serena Hotel you may pay double the price for the exact same girls. Cayenne is now flooded with hookers on Friday and Saturday, I'd say around 100-150k for the hottest ones. For 200k you are either poor at negotiating, or you should get a contestant in Miss Uganda competitions.

Hence, I'd say around 100k is average.

Hope it helps.

Khune thanks for the valuebale information canu tell us location of Caynne in relation to Kamapala road?

[Khun Sanuk]

I know this is a question without a straight answer since it will depend on a lot of factors, but can anyone give an indication of what would be fair to pay for a muzungu nowadays?

As you say, the price varies a lot. I would say it's usually between 30, 000 and 200, 000.

At Capitol Pub you may be able to bargain it down to 30k, but probably more like 50-80. According to the newspaper today, you can get it for 10k per hour in the slums of Bwaise, however I can't imagine you wanting to try that out. If you put in a bit of effort, or you know someone who will connect you, there are lots of students willing to come home to you for 70k-100k all night, including the really hot ones. In Rock Garden you may pay around 50-100, though 100 is more common than 50. The chicks from Burundi and Rwanda may ask for 80-200 and there are also a few Ugandans who won't be keen to go for less than 150. At Serena Hotel you may pay double the price for the exact same girls. Cayenne is now flooded with hookers on Friday and Saturday, I'd say around 100-150k for the hottest ones. For 200k you are either poor at negotiating, or you should get a contestant in Miss Uganda competitions.

Hence, I'd say around 100k is average.

Hope it helps.

[Jiggydus]

I haven't been in Uganda since 2005 and I have good memories from my female encounters back then. I always just gave the girls 50k shs the next morning and all of them seemed happy with the gift offered. However now I'm going back for a short trip 6 years later and I would presume with the inflation and the depreciation of the Ugandan shilling that this remuneration will not be sufficient. I know this is a question without a straight answer since it will depend on a lot of factors, but can anyone give an indication of what would be fair to pay for a muzungu nowadays?

I visited Kampala for about 10 days in February of this year and I had only 1 p4p encounter as I preferred to focus on the non-pro scene (much better if you are seeking GFE). I checked out the Rock Garden when I first arrived in Kampala and rejected all come ons from the ladies. When I revisited Rock Garden a few days later, one of the ladies I had rejected looked much more appealing, so I decided to take her back to my hotel. I ended up just parting with about 29K Ugandan Schillings. I had actually initially offered her 20K, but she balked so I gave her a wad of 1K shillings that was just 8 or 9K shillings and she was satisfied. I think she was too drunk to know that I had only given her just 9K more shillings.

The women I encountered aren't really up on the changing exchange rates and I don't adjust my offering amount based on the exchange rate. I still found the ladies on the street were still asking for 10K Ugandan Schillings, though I did not partake.

[Tim Bone]

I haven't been in Uganda since 2005 and I have good memories from my female encounters back then. I always just gave the girls 50k shs the next morning and all of them seemed happy with the gift offered. However now I'm going back for a short trip 6 years later and I would presume with the inflation and the depreciation of the Ugandan shilling that this remuneration will not be sufficient. I know this is a question without a straight answer since it will depend on a lot of factors, but can anyone give an indication of what would be fair to pay for a muzungu nowadays?