Rants, Stupid Shit and Coronavirus in Thailand

[EihTooms]

Are these two things not one in the same?

Not as I understand the terms "deliberately not trying" and "just to spite". Not trying and being aware that one is not trying merely because they have no incentive or interest in trying or because they are simply tired or lazy is not the same as proactively trying to be malicious or punish a customer by taking that approach.

[EihTooms]

The problem for ET is that he can't pop with a condom so he pays his money and takes his chances going BB. His getting regularly tested greatly reduces the risk of transmitting but is no protection against catching. I feel we can all agree there is some risk involved, the conversation seems to be about how great that is. Then there is the other argument, she doesn't have to. While yes it's between consenting adults I have always felt the girl is at a disadvantage, either from lack of information of the dangers, to her not caring, to her needing the money. When you break it down it's not advisable but understandable in situations where without going BB finishing in her pussy is a no show.

I have not found that lack of information or lack of choice due to financial need is the determining factor in greater likelihood of accepting bareback. On the contrary, the most highly educated and financially secure girls are the ones most likely to be fine with it. With me, that is. School teachers, business professionals, even nurses I have met on the dating sites are much more familiar with and accepting of the scientific study conclusions about how rare if not practically unheard of in their observation for demonstrably heterosexual men who don't share needles to have acquired HIV and that risks and outcomes of other possible transmissions are not automatic death sentences and can be dealt with reasonably. And what a recent negative HIV test result shows. In my experience, girls who are the least educated, least informed, least worldly and most prone to being terrified by rumors and the unknown are the ones most likely to say "no" and not budge from it.

[Mr Enternational]

I will check this and other threads to find the post you're referring to about some girl not delivering great sex "just to spite" her customer so I can better reply to that one later. So far I haven't read about that.

Now you're trying to float the idea that one is never likely to encounter a Thai P4P girl who is "deliberately not trying" in her session with a punter. Seriously? This and every similar P4P website I have ever read is peppered with reports from punters, not just me, detailing examples of that very thing happening.

Are these two things not one in the same?

I don't know, Mr. E, I see your recent mission is to suggest there is something peculiar and unique about someone like me who would claim there are actually a lot of cum dodgers among Thai girls with regard to a CIM finish or that there is such a thing as getting bad sex through lack of conscientious effort from Thai girls.

I am not on any kind of mission. All I am doing is telling of my personal experiences. I thought we all agreed that YMMV. So if someone keeps coming and saying that it is not possible to do such and such, if I have a different experience then I will say well that is not how I have experienced it, so it most definitely is possible. It is the same shit in the Angeles City thread. I say just pay after instead of paying before at the bar. You know how many guys said it was not possible to do that? Well maybe they had never tried. I have no idea why they thought it to not be possible. But then other regular posters also spoke up and said they had very well paid after instead of before sometimes. I am not one to say something is not possible just because it has not worked out that way for me.

[EihTooms]

How do you give great sex? What is the definition of great sex? Couldn't someone follow all the directions and instructions of what you say and still not be able to deliver great sex even though they were trying?

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So to assume that someone that you had never had sex with did not deliver great sex just to spite you is ridiculous.

I can count on two hands the chicks that deliberately were not trying and none of those were in Thailand.

There are indeed only a few acts of a sexual nature (and that show up on typical sex services offered lists in the P4P industry) that a female can be truly or let's say technically bad at; BBBJ and BBBJ+CIM are the main ones. DFK to some degree. DT would likely be one but probably only bad in the sense that it is agreed to but not really done at all, perhaps similar to DFK in that respect. It's a lot harder for the "receiver" to be bad at fucking, anal sex, DATY or anything that is done TO her. However, there is certainly a way for a girl to be a bad fuck if she goes stiffed legged, is too wiggly or just generally uncooperative about getting into a position the man wants or needs to finish. Otherwise, it would just come down to demeanor and attitude negatively effecting the experience.

I will check this and other threads to find the post you're referring to about some girl not delivering great sex "just to spite" her customer so I can better reply to that one later. So far I haven't read about that.

I don't know, Mr. E, I see your recent mission is to suggest there is something peculiar and unique about someone like me who would claim there are actually a lot of cum dodgers among Thai girls with regard to a CIM finish or that there is such a thing as getting bad sex through lack of conscientious effort from Thai girls. Instead, I would say your claimed experience is the unique one. To suggest that there are no cum dodgers with regard to a CIM finish among Thai women, that they don't even try to dodge it, and if a guy accidentally discovers one it must have happened because he just didn't handle it correctly simply defies belief and all easily observable reality. Or maybe it is because you are just not all that into a BBBJ+CIM or any other CIM finish and rarely even request or go for one.

Are you aware that typically less than half the girls appearing on Smooci Bangkok, virtually all Thai girls, list CIM as a service they are willing to offer, even for very good MONEY? What do you suppose most of those girls would do if you applied your "don't ask permission", "hold her down" or "give me your mouth" approach at the point of orgasm? I'd bet almost everything I own quite a few if not all of them are going to try to dodge some or every one of your squirts no matter how charming and persuasive you've been up to that moment. But you apparently disagree and think it is a true rarity, perhaps even unheard of except for a tiny few misguided punters, for a Thai girl to so much as "try" to cum dodge at the point of orgasm.

Now you're trying to float the idea that one is never likely to encounter a Thai P4P girl who is "deliberately not trying" in her session with a punter. Seriously? This and every similar P4P website I have ever read is peppered with reports from punters, not just me, detailing examples of that very thing happening. But not you. Never you. Fine. Then I can only conclude you are either the most charming, persuasive, never fail, no exceptions and no disappointments sexually compelling punter who ever landed in Thailand or your expectations and demands are quite a bit lower than all of us occasional "complainers" and "failures" painting a different potential picture on these forums and in personal discussions with each other on the ground.

I'm sure you and I would probably also disagree about which one is more likely to be the correct conclusion. (no smiley face emoticon available)

[Goferring]

How do you give great sex? What is the definition of great sex? Couldn't someone follow all the directions and instructions of what you say and still not be able to deliver great sex even though they were trying? As has been said before, everybody is not good at everything. And this includes some people in the sex industry as well. So to assume that someone that you had never had sex with did not deliver great sex just to spite you is ridiculous.

Agreed. One additional factor is that we all enjoy different things so a skilled provider of either sex may be putting in plenty of effort but just not pressing the buttons of the recipient.

I've had friends recommend girls to me as hot and great performers only to find them not enjoyable. Similarly, girls that I have had a great time with have left friends wanting.

I guess the same could be said for timing. Some guys want to pump and run. Others want to dance and romance all night long.

[Mr Enternational]

In fact, what's the real harm in giving ol' Joe Casanova some of the laziest service ever doled out since, hey, not only is it not worth even trying to woo him as a repeat customer, but he is probably getting tons of great service and sex from beautiful girls all the time anyway, no real harm being done here, right?

How do you give great sex? What is the definition of great sex? Couldn't someone follow all the directions and instructions of what you say and still not be able to deliver great sex even though they were trying? As has been said before, everybody is not good at everything. And this includes some people in the sex industry as well. So to assume that someone that you had never had sex with did not deliver great sex just to spite you is ridiculous.

I can count on two hands the chicks that deliberately were not trying and none of those were in Thailand. Off hand I would give that to a few Tijuana street girls and a chick at a $6 place in Ecuador. Hell, she was even talking on her phone while I was fucking her. When I called her on it, she said it is only 6 dollars. Well I could not disagree with that!

You think this chick got up and went to work in hopes of not doing a good job in order to spite everyone in the place?

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[Franciscass]

The problem for ET is that he can't pop with a condom so he pays his money and takes his chances going BB. His getting regularly tested greatly reduces the risk of transmitting but is no protection against catching. I feel we can all agree there is some risk involved, the conversation seems to be about how great that is. Then there is the other argument, she doesn't have to. While yes it's between consenting adults I have always felt the girl is at a disadvantage, either from lack of information of the dangers, to her not caring, to her needing the money. When you break it down it's not advisable but understandable in situations where without going BB finishing in her pussy is a no show.

[EihTooms]

I think the difference between these guys who do get what you question, and guys who do not get it, is that the guys who do get it are what some people call "naturals". Guys who had a pretty active sex / date life back in Blighty, a life most of the other guys would be envious of as far as sex / dating was concerned.

When these naturals, with their experience and confidence come here, their experience will be quite different from that of Joe Average who may have dated one or two Sara Averages during a span of several years in Blighty.

What will happen is that most farangs that come here, at least once they get their bearings, will have a considerably more interesting date / sex life than back in Blighty. Be it with regular girls or p4 p girls, so there's no need to be discouraged.

Joe Average will have much more luck here, and so will Joe Natural. Joe Average here will be a bit closer to Joe Natural in Blighty. Joe Natural? He'll be closer to Joe Casanova here. And if Joe Natural involves in P4 P here, it'll be like shooting fish in a barrel for him. So in Thailand, like in Blighty, their experiences will be different, though better for both.

Nice overview of a certain aspect of the scene here. However, I would add that the ladies here themselves are not starting from the same place or perspective as Blighty ladies. While there are some constants about women all over the world, there are enough cultural and financial situation differences between the women of Blighty and the women of Bangkok to turn a few assumptions upside down and sideways compared to how things work back home.

Don't ask me how I know, but a lot of Joe Average fellows might be surprised to discover they are more welcome and desirable to a whole bunch of Thai ladies than are many Joe Naturals-turned-Joe Casanovas. Non P4P girls avoid Joe Casanovas like the plague here. Or try to. Many regular Thai women are not only made personally uncomfortable being with a man they know can charm or maneuver his way around the ladies so successfully, they are also consummately aware that all of their relatives, friends and neighbors will see them, the lady, as a foolish moth flying into a blowtorch. She will not be seen as clever and attractive enough to have bagged a fantastic "catch", the envy of all her girlfriends in any way similar to what those Blightly biddies will gush over back home.

The P4P girls? Line ups might want Joe Casanova to choose them to put a feather in their cap about being "hot" enough to be thought a proper match for such a guy. They might want to be seen walking out of the bar with that guy just to show off that they are not only the girl of choice for beer belly old codgers, but for smooth charmers and "super stars" as well. And to make that happen, just being chosen and walking out with Joe Casanova that is, they might say just about anything the guy wants to hear because it is the being chosen and walking out with him that matters at this point, not what actually will occur in the hotel room. The fact that he didn't avert his eyes and reject her in front of her co-workers is already a minor victory. Walking out with him is the big prize.

Back in the hotel room? Joe Casanova will NOT likely be seen as a potential repeat customer. Why would he need to repeat any girl? In fact, what's the real harm in giving ol' Joe Casanova some of the laziest service ever doled out since, hey, not only is it not worth even trying to woo him as a repeat customer, but he is probably getting tons of great service and sex from beautiful girls all the time anyway. No real harm being done here, right? LOL. Except that can't be right if every P4P girl thinks that way. BTW, that is not too different from the way regular, non P4P girls that ol' Joe Casanova meets think, too. Why even try to give this guy great sex since he no doubt gets the best sex all the time from the most beautiful girls? LOL. And I can't possibly compete what what he has had anyway, so why even try. Again, most of that cannot be true if every girl he meets thinks that way.

When P4P freelancers look at Joe Casanova, they generally do NOT see a "customer". Perhaps not for any girl. He must have a lot of real girlfriends, why would he need to pay for sex? According to the P4P girl's way of thinking, that is. However, when they look at Joe Average, they see the word "customer" in huge neon. And if they get the impression they might just be the hottest, sexiest girl this guy has had in a long time if not ever, that will go a long way to giving them confidence and motivating them to give him a quality ride and inspire him to return to her over and over again for that special ride. Unlike Joe Casanova, Joe Average-now-Joe Natural might be worth wooing and impressing as a potential repeat customer.

There are definitely different challenges and results for the Joe Averages vs the Joe Naturals/Casanovas between Blighty and Bangkok, imo.

[Dg8787]

Chubby guy selling translation books on the sidewalk when phones do it faster and for free. He can't be making any money so how does he stay chubby?

How do you know he is not making money? Other than your guess that he isn't selling any books.

[Breadman]

Chubby guy selling translation books on the sidewalk when phones do it faster and for free. He can't be making any money so how does he stay chubby?

[Werqweq]

Crickets?

Ok. See, this is why we have to challenge at least some of these tall tale fantasy sex scenarios and bring them back down to earth. Not to kill anyone's buzz, but because it does no one, newbies, oldtimers, the business and market in general any good to let these "Can You Top This" fantasy scenarios go on and on and thereby promote the idea that you, MP, Johnny Depp, Leonardo DiCaprio or, yes, even I can easily meet, say, 10 Thai girls, five pros and five non pros and, first time out and unplanned, every one of them will probably provide a CIM finish without even dodging a little bit (or you name the sex scenario) just like that. Five pros not working in BJ Bars, that is.

Some dudes read that stuff and they either think there is something drastically wrong with them for not getting such results so readily or they are so disappointed they dump the whole idea of ever returning to Thailand. Assuming they are choosing girls they actually want to have sex with and not pathetic souls who must either go along with anything and everything or starve in the next couple of hours. Maybe that is fine with some, but I do believe it is not good for any of us in the long run. What actually does happen in Thailand with Thai girls is already pretty darn good. No need to come up with those high flying, never fail, never try to dodge, she started giving me a deep throat and then swallowed all of it and begged for more before I got my shoes off kind of stuff.

And there's another factor to consider. If we don't challenge these things (not saying ALL of them are impossible, just that some are worthy of a challenge), then we have no right to turn our derision on posters who out of the blue ask goofy questions like, "Which go-go bar has beautiful girls who will do anything without hassle for very little money and what time do they usually show up?" LOL. Little wonder some posters, especially first time poster lurkers, think this must be the land of conveyor belt 100% True GFE do anything, get anything on demand P4P girls after they've read some of MP and others' fantasy scenarios. We have to go back and reinvent the wheel every time one of those questions comes up and don't realize how some of us are actually encouraging such thinking by posting those fantasy scenarios.

I think the difference between these guys who do get what you question, and guys who do not get it, is that the guys who do get it are what some people call "naturals". Guys who had a pretty active sex / date life back in Blighty, a life most of the other guys would be envious of as far as sex / dating was concerned.

When these naturals, with their experience and confidence come here, their experience will be quite different from that of Joe Average who may have dated one or two Sara Averages during a span of several years in Blighty.

What will happen is that most farangs that come here, at least once they get their bearings, will have a considerably more interesting date / sex life than back in Blighty. Be it with regular girls or p4 p girls, so there's no need to be discouraged.

Joe Average will have much more luck here, and so will Joe Natural. Joe Average here will be a bit closer to Joe Natural in Blighty. Joe Natural? He'll be closer to Joe Casanova here. And if Joe Natural involves in P4 P here, it'll be like shooting fish in a barrel for him. So in Thailand, like in Blighty, their experiences will be different, though better for both.

[MonkeyPaw]

These are just some interesting facts to reflect on.

1. The first post in "Stupid Shit in Medellin was made by Admin and says "I've been trying to use the Medellin forum while I'm here and for some reason some of you guys seem to think that criticizing or reviewing other guys posts on the pussy threads is what this forum is about. It's not, and doing that creates and environment that inhibits growth of the forum because seriously people don't want to deal with your bullshit. ".

2. Wikipedia defines an internet troll as "In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community. "

3. So far this thread has 131 or so posts.

4. 36 of the 131 posts expresses negativity towards me, Monkeypaw.

5. 15 of the total 36 negative comments come from one user.

6. And another 12 of the 36 negative comments, come from a second user.

7. So if my math is correct 27 of the 36 or 75% of the negative comments about me, come from just 2 people.

8. The second post in "Stupid Shit in Thailand" was made by me, Monkeypaw as says ". I guess every board needs a troll or two that just complains or tries to tell others what to do and their opinion that they think counts. ".

9. I have yet to quarrel or argue with anybody in this thread.

10. God is great and works in mysterious ways.

[EihTooms]

According to Wikipedia there were 'only' 450,000 infected in 2016: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...revalence_rate.

So in 2017 this has suddenly more than tripled? Something doesn't seem right. Or maybe the registration has been improved?

The way the numbers and percentages are featured in the PattayaOne report makes it seems to me they are trying to present them to ensure maximum alarm. Perhaps for a presumed greater good. But the breakdown for the vast majority of people having sex in Thailand, even P4P sex in Thailand, would likely be far less alarming than it reads here.

"Meanwhile, figures from the Aids, Tuberculosis and Sexually Transmitted Infections Control Division under the Health Department of the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration show that 80% of HIV infections in Bangkok are transmitted through sexual intercourse."

How are they defining "sexual intercourse" in this study? Is it as it appears in many dictionaries, "Sexual contact between individuals involving penetration", which could include anal intercourse and oral intercourse? Or is it as it appears in other dictionaries; intercourse for the purpose of procreation, which confines it to penile-vaginal sex? I am sure they have the breakdown for how many men likely acquired HIV as the result of penetrating a vagina vs their own anus being penetrated by another man's penis. And for how many co-factors existed such as not being circumcised or having an open sore on their penis during incidence of vaginal sex. Then why not publish them or give links to where you can read about it?

They don't even break it down between how many women acquired it "through sexual intercourse" vs how many men got it that way. But they could. And, BTW, how many cases of HIV infections showed up in Bangkok vs the rest of the country anyway? I mean, as long as they're citing that 80% figure for "sexual intercourse" transmission in Bangkok, why not tell us what that 80% figure is based on? Actually, one might conclude from this report that the vast majority of HIV transmissions they're talking about here were via needles and not through "sexual intercourse", but since they do have enough cases of it being transmitted sexually in Bangkok to be statistically significant, why not cite that 80% figure.

The vast majority of men having sex in Thailand as in the rest of the world would be vaginal intercourse with some oral genital contact accompanying it. Very rarely would receptive anal sex, taking it up their own butt, be on the menu for most men. I would guess that is true of almost every man reading these threads on this site. The more detailed studies for likely transmission show that it is very difficult and rare for a man to acquire HIV through vaginal intercourse and practically unheard of through oral sex, either giving or receiving. Yet we might read these kind of articles and our minds conjure up images of 16 dudes just like us being told by a nurse in some clinic in Bangkok and Pattaya each and every day of the year that they must have gotten HIV from going bareback with Noy or Nam a few months ago. Not hardly.

[Syzygies]

According to that article 2. 3% of Thais have aids or hiv. That is a pretty hard statistic to believe. It would be hard for, me to believe that big a percentage of working girls yet alone the whole population. Or am I misreading it?

1. 5 million has to be in the whole population. Most numbers are estimates.

Remember that numbers are people that have mostly had Aids for a long time. New reported cases drops, but people having it long time, are dying less quickly than before, so total numbers can increase. The ones with Aids are just not going away unless they die, as almost zero are reported to be cured.

Aids (new cases) was on decline for many years, so that means people for a while may have been getting slightly more careful. Bear in mind, that gays and drug users will be a high proportion of the total, but still plenty of unlucky girls whether hookers or not. Used to be many rural house wives got Aids from their husbands. Every village has kids where both parents died of Aids already. Girls doing BBFS with large numbers of customers or dates for many years are almost bound to catch it eventually. The luck has to run out.

Girls doing it only with regular tested guys with a recent negative certificate run a lot less risk.

Guys tend to go blissfully thinking it is hard to catch from a girl with normal sex practices, however some will be caught out. Better with a hooker who has a recent test certificate too.

Personally I don't go looking for BBFS with lots of new girls just met. Consider ways to reduce your odds, till is more likely you will be struck by lightning or killed in an accident. Aids is not the only risk. Some STDs are caught very easily.

[Mogwai]

I'm not a preacher of safe sex but this was an article from today.
Numbers higher than I thought. 16 new cases of reported aids per day. 1. 5 million reported infected. 15,000 reported deaths annually.
https://pattayaone.news/en/cases-aids-diagnosed/

According to Wikipedia there were 'only' 450,000 infected in 2016: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...revalence_rate.

So in 2017 this has suddenly more than tripled? Something doesn't seem right. Or maybe the registration has been improved?