Pattaya Reports

[Siamsin]

There are also brothels in Brazil, I always build rapport when I fuck hooker but I still have to pay so I call it negotiation, pay for service or pay for play like Mr E said. To me, it's not game. As a medical professional, my clients build rapport but I still expect them to pay me. When you have a better rapport with your doctor, he treats you better like in every business (restaurant, hotel etc), the same happens to hooker, if your rapport is better, the hooker treats you better.

Comparing your profession to a WG's profession regarding rapport and payment is also not an ideal comparison. Can a patient who's a first time consult build rapport with you and receive a discount? No! Can you build rapport with a Top WG and negotiate a better rate the first time you meet her? Yes! Can a patient willing to pay your fees be refused treatment? No! Can a top WG refuse your offer to pay the going rate? Yes! Having built up rapport with your repeat patient, will you give them free treatment? No! Having built up rapport with a repeat top WG, can you meet for a freebie or reduced rate session? Possibly Yes! if you've got game.

Nobody said anything about not paying on initial meetings, and I think you guys are confusing street hookers and brothels with top shelf gogo girls and beautiful ordinary girls that freelance on the side in the instance of Thermae, who can choose who they want to go with. If they don't fancy you, they don't even get to the point of discussing fees. They just say NO!.

I am just scared not to find a hot Thai woman because I watched many videos about pattaya on Youtube, I rarely saw hot Thai girls in Pattaya, the hottest Thai girls I saw were with Japanese and Korean clients.

As you've mentioned above, the hottest Thai girls you saw were with Asian guys. Surely it's not because they've paid the girls more but perhaps it's the girls preference. But don't be discouraged, as it is possible to persuade these girls to try non-Asian foreigners. I personally achieved this and was a few girls first non-Asian foreigner which is documented in my trip reports, and I put it down to me having some sort of game.

Reading that you haven't been to Thailand yet, I also encourage you go check the scenes out, and have a blast. There's plenty to do and see, and plenty of girls to do and see.

[Goferring]

You're kidding right? Who doesn't want the hottest girl in a venue if she's within your budget. The question is, will she be willing to go with you .....

My question has been "what's this Princess going to be like back in my room?

I've allready posted that I tend to avoid selecting the most stunning girl in the bar. My reason is very simple: I want a girl to provide an outstanding service not one who only looks great.

Of course I enjoy looking at an attractive girl but I know that the odds are that when she returns to the room her performance will not match that of her pretty but not 1 percenter girlfriends. I find that stunners tend to be less naturally out going in the bar, either very quiet, expecting to be courted or falsely extroverted, dancing and flirting up a storm. Both are serious alert signals to me that actual performance back in the room will be disappointing.

This conversation has focused on simply getting the stunner out the door of the bar rather than what a girl does in the bedroom. The former is required for anything to progress but I find the later the more important and satisfying.

[Siamsin]

Buying a car is a purely negotiation based industry, yet you do not see everyone driving around in a Mercedes or Lexus. Just like P4P, if you walk in the door with enough money, anyone can get one.

Comparing the entire p4 p scene to purchasing a motor vehicle is a bit silly and isn't the best analogy imo. If I go to buy a vehicle, I do my homework on the vehicle, go check it out, take it for a test drive and return to sign the papers at the given price or negotiated price and the deal is done. If I go to a gogo, see a top 5 girl I like, call her over, buy her a LD, tell her I'd like to BF her, and she says okay, then goes on stage to perform and another chap calls her over, and the next thing I know, she decides to go with him instead, and I'm sitting there with a wtf look on my face. Similarly if I went to Thermae and walked up to a female I fancy, told her I'd give her the going rate of 2500 thb for ST, and get a No, then I bump it up to 3 k and get a No again, because she's just not interested, didn't like my approach or only goes with Asians. Point is you don't get a NO when buying a Mercedes Benz or Lexus given that you can afford it, and you certainly don't get a car salesman trying to sell the vehicle you just agreed to purchase, to someone else. Of course if you're exceptionally wealthy and offered the girl 10-20 k for ST, she'd probably go with you, no game needed. But you wouldn't pay extra to purchase a Mercedes or Lexus when you can get it at the going rate would you?

I have always said just to walk up to them and say lets go. If she is trying to earn something then she will go. If she is not then just move on to the next one.

Using your car analogy and your own strategy as quoted above, if you went up to the car salesman and told him, I want this car will he say NO? Of course not! He wants to make the sale. But in your own admission, a WG may tell you NO when you tell her to go with you, in which case you move on to the next girl.

Most of the chicks that I mess with are freelance. Every now and then I will catch a chick that is freelancing and later find out they work at a gogo bar and it happened to be their day off.

Your analogy would make more sense in the street freelancer, online freelancer arena, where there's only a negotiation on the price and no game is needed. And I believe that's where you yourself mentioned you monger anyway. Other p4 p scenes like the MP's, BJ Bars, Kapoo Clubs, Smooci, Escort agencies etc, I agree, there's absolutely no game needed, it's PAY for play, there's a set price, no negotiating and no games, you pay and they provide the agreed service, no questions asked.

But at Gogo's, Clubs and joints like Thermae, of course you can easily get laid, but not by the top girls in there consistently at a reasonable price.

The problem is that you assume everyone wants one.

You're kidding right? Who doesn't want the hottest girl in a venue if she's within your budget. The question is, will she be willing to go with you or would she choose from the hoards of other mongers also able to pay and want a piece of her prime 9 or 10 ass. Like I asked without response in my previous post, Don't you think the top girls are also selective as to who they go with?

Bill Gates is one of the richest men in the world, yet he drives around in a Toyota Prius or Ford pickup truck or something. Maybe he doesn't have enough game for them to sell him one of the luxury cars.

I get your drift, but again this is a weak analogy as it's quite well known that he owns fleets of super-cars, vintage and sports cars. But we could probably liken his wife to the Prius and his fleets to the 9's and 10's haha.

[MongerForSex]

This makes me a little curious, are you planning to go to Thailand anytime soon or at some other point in the future? I see that you are active in the Thailand and Pattaya threads so I guess that you have a wish to go to Thailand. If you ask me I would say that you should go by any means because it is so great there!

I just came back from a one month trip to Pattaya and it was so much fun. Some years ago I never thought that I would go but a friend of mine convinced me and it was the best thing that he could do. I know some guys (mongers) that I got to know in Rio de Janeiro that still hasn't been to Thailand and they are already in their early 60's. I am trying to convince them to go because I know that they will not regret going to Thailand / Pattaya.

I had to go to Thailand in January but I went to China, Mongolia and North Korea instead of Thailand. I plan to go to Thailand in June 2019 at the latest September 2019. I am living in Brazil and travel to different countries because I like different cultures. Many things to visit in Thailand but I will also monger on the side. I plan to stay 6 weeks in Thailand.

[Bdonkadonk]

I have never been to Thailand but ...

This makes me a little curious, are you planning to go to Thailand anytime soon or at some other point in the future? I see that you are active in the Thailand and Pattaya threads so I guess that you have a wish to go to Thailand. If you ask me I would say that you should go by any means because it is so great there!

I just came back from a one month trip to Pattaya and it was so much fun. Some years ago I never thought that I would go but a friend of mine convinced me and it was the best thing that he could do. I know some guys (mongers) that I got to know in Rio de Janeiro that still hasn't been to Thailand and they are already in their early 60's. I am trying to convince them to go because I know that they will not regret going to Thailand / Pattaya.

[MongerForSex]

Many would say that Centaurus has the best looking girls in Rio. 8's, 9's, 10's. I think they made a big deal about Justin Beiber going there or something. Centaurus is a brothel where there is a certain price to be paid for the girls. When was the last time a chick in there turned a guy down from going upstairs to the room with him because he had the 500 reais or whatever it costs, but he had no game? Whether they are a 2 or a 10, hookers work for money, not for game.

I haven't been to Centaurius for a long time, I don't like it. I prefer solarium 4 by4 and other termas. In the termas, you don't negotiate the price but you negotiate the service. We can build rapport easily but a hooker is a hooker. 2's,3's,7's or 10's mean nothing, because we are all differents and we love women differently. As you stated, 10's women won't be chosen by everybody because they are not 10's for everybody. I have never been to Thailand but what I know a hooker is a hooker, they expect me to pay them.

[D Cups]

Never met the guy but he did refer me to the "legendary" Claire, Miss Bottoms Contest Winner in Makati which I am grateful for. I think I would have enjoyed having San Migs with him. I, too, have ruffled some feathers on this board. Jackson even erased like a thousand of my posts (many of which were simply requests for big boob sightings and contact info haha). I'm still being moderated for reasons that have long since expired. But it's OK. I try to not be too abrasive to the offenders or just plain wrong posters but sometimes you got to do what you got to do. Anyway I think I've been on ISG for over 10 years now, made some friends and got a lot of great information on not just big boob sightings but taxis, hotels, airports, weather, etc. Really, the subscription has paid for itself many times over and I thank Jackson for not kicking me out permanently.

I misspoke. It was Engine Driver not Monkey Paw that introduced me to Claire. Thanks, buddy.

[Franciscass]

Many would say that Centaurus has the best looking girls in Rio. 8's, 9's, 10's. I think they made a big deal about Justin Beiber going there or something. Centaurus is a brothel where there is a certain price to be paid for the girls. When was the last time a chick in there turned a guy down from going upstairs to the room with him because he had the 500 reais or whatever it costs, but he had no game? Whether they are a 2 or a 10, hookers work for money, not for game.

We get it Mr E. Hookers work for money. What doesn't follow from that is that in demand girls will follow whoever puts down what she's asking for her. If she has choices which the so called 8's up have you will need something more than her fee to attract her. It may be looks / appearance, personality / humor, future sponsor potential and even this so called game whatever that may be. They may be lowly hookers in your estimation but they are also independent free willed individuals with choices.

[Mogwai]

Like it has already been mentioned, if it was a purely negotiation based industry, everyone would be walking around with 8's, 9's and 10's.

Except that there are not enough 8's, 9's and 10's available for all the punters.

[Mr Enternational]

There are also brothels in Brazil, I always build rapport when I fuck hooker but I still have to pay

Many would say that Centaurus has the best looking girls in Rio. 8's, 9's, 10's. I think they made a big deal about Justin Beiber going there or something. Centaurus is a brothel where there is a certain price to be paid for the girls. When was the last time a chick in there turned a guy down from going upstairs to the room with him because he had the 500 reais or whatever it costs, but he had no game? Whether they are a 2 or a 10, hookers work for money, not for game.

[MongerForSex]

I get your point, but that depends on the environment of your pickup. Walking up to a street hooker and propositioning her for sex and negotiating the rate is exactly that, a negotiation. Street meat is usually up to 5's and 6's if anything anyway.

Trying to pull that approach on an 8, 9 or 10 in Thermae, Freelance clubs and Gogo's is a recipe for failure. You'll probably get shutdown more times than you can count. In these type of establishments jumping straight to negotiations without some form of rapport building and encouraging the girl that you're someone that she'll actually have a good time with, will lead to failure or a costly affair or terrible performance especially with the top girls. It's actually very logical, the hottest girls get the most enquiries from punters willing to pay their rate. Don't you think that they are also selective as to who they go with?

Like it has already been mentioned, if it was a purely negotiation based industry, everyone would be walking around with 8's, 9's and 10's. There has to be some element for consistently pulling top girls, and that element is your Game.

There are also brothels in Brazil, I always build rapport when I fuck hooker but I still have to pay so I call it negotiation, pay for service or pay for play like Mr E said. To me, it's not game. As a medical professional, my clients build rapport but I still expect them to pay me. When you have a better rapport with your doctor, he treats you better like in every business (restaurant, hotel etc), the same happens to hooker, if your rapport is better, the hooker treats you better.

[Mr Enternational]

Like it has already been mentioned, if it was a purely negotiation based industry, everyone would be walking around with 8's, 9's and 10's. There has to be some element for consistently pulling top girls, and that element is your Game.

Buying a car is a purely negotiation based industry, yet you do not see everyone driving around in a Mercedes or Lexus. Just like P4P, if you walk in the door with enough money, anyone can get one. The problem is that you assume everyone wants one. Bill Gates is one of the richest men in the world, yet he drives around in a Toyota Prius or Ford pickup truck or something. Maybe he doesn't have enough game for them to sell him one of the luxury cars.

It is PAY for play, not game for play. Again, there is no need to weasel (or game) someone into YOU PAYING for their goods or services. That sounds ridiculous.

[Siamsin]

I call it negotiation, when I fuck a hooker, I negociate the service. If you are good at negotiation, you pay less for better service. Game is used when you fuck a girl expecting nothing from you but just fun and pleasure.

I fuck regular girls and professional girls, there is a big difference between negotiation and game.

I get your point, but that depends on the environment of your pickup. Walking up to a street hooker and propositioning her for sex and negotiating the rate is exactly that, a negotiation. Street meat is usually up to 5's and 6's if anything anyway.

Trying to pull that approach on an 8, 9 or 10 in Thermae, Freelance clubs and Gogo's is a recipe for failure. You'll probably get shutdown more times than you can count. In these type of establishments jumping straight to negotiations without some form of rapport building and encouraging the girl that you're someone that she'll actually have a good time with, will lead to failure or a costly affair or terrible performance especially with the top girls. It's actually very logical, the hottest girls get the most enquiries from punters willing to pay their rate. Don't you think that they are also selective as to who they go with?

Like it has already been mentioned, if it was a purely negotiation based industry, everyone would be walking around with 8's, 9's and 10's. There has to be some element for consistently pulling top girls, and that element is your Game.

[MongerForSex]

Exactly my point Tooms, agree 100%.

I call it negotiation, when I fuck a hooker, I negociate the service. If you are good at negotiation, you pay less for better service. Game is used when you fuck a girl expecting nothing from you but just fun and pleasure.

I fuck regular girls and professional girls, there is a big difference between negotiation and game.

[Siamsin]

Every single 1 of us has and uses some sort of game whether we know it or not. It's not just what you say to women, but everything about you, before you even say a word. Your demeanor, body language, attire, build, hygiene, multilingualism ability, scent, aura, approach etc.

Funny thing about game in the P4P world is we all employ it one way or another without thinking about it too much. In fact, it is directly or indirectly the SUBJECT of most questions and answers about the P4P scene on these boards:

If you refuse to Pay Upfront, that's game.

If you show up at clubs when they are closing on the assumption the girls left over will be more needy, that's game.

If you show up at places like Thermae in Bkk on the 31st of the month, the night before rent is due and you are especially fond of doing it on rainy nights, that's game.

If you walk into a club smiling when in fact you really aren't thinking of anything particularly humorous, that's game.

If you choose an apartment or hotel offering anything more than the most basic requirements for Shit, Shower, Sleep and Sex on the premise that something nicer will impress the ladies or make them feel more comfortable, that's game.

If you so much as crack a joke or try to create a "fun" environment with your targeted girl before hitting her up for a ST, that is not only game it is also courting and kowtowing to the girl.

And on and on.

Actually, if you are every bit as satisfied having sex with 2's vs 10's and if you are every bit as satisfied with covered FS only vs DFK+DATY+BBBJ+BBFS+CIP, then you might as well approach every 2 in the city, counter offer demonstrably less than her initial quote (if any), negotiate nothing else, simply say "Let's go", go-with-the-flow and accept whatever result you get with a smile, you will not only win by your standards a good 99.99% of the time but you will have done so while avoiding as much game as it is possible to avoid, I suppose.

Exactly my point Tooms, agree 100%.