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[Gino02]

Nothing about racism, but we know China lie about this virus figures, like Western Europeans don't trust Trump or Putin or Chinese or North Korean information. But I m more afraid of HIV than of a virus even some virus can kill some organs. I m not the one to write to ban Asians and I don't think so, even I don't like those full of jealousy, bullshiting specialists with girls, but also some French, Germans and US for this.

There could be more than 75,000 cases of coronavirus in China, researchers say. Cases doubling every day. In some places in China, only one person is allowed to go out of home once every other day to grocery etc, to control spreading. Hope we don't talk about Racism anymore, rather do the right thing to contain this deadly virus that so far has no vaccine or treatment yet.

https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/c...hnk/index.html

[Sirioja]

First, I am not a Chinese citizen, and I have not been to China for many years.

But I would never like to hear any racism talk.

In fact, currently all cases in Europe are not Chinese.

If "infected Chinese infected girls could become a problem", then is it a problem if a infected Frenchman infected girls?

As we know, there are at least 5 cases in France now, no offense, they are all French.

Nothing about racism, but we know China lie about this virus figures, like Western Europeans don't trust Trump or Putin or Chinese or North Korean information. But I m more afraid of HIV than of a virus even some virus can kill some organs. I m not the one to write to ban Asians and I don't think so, even I don't like those full of jealousy, bullshiting specialists with girls, but also some French, Germans and US for this.

[Gino02]

First, I am not a Chinese citizen, and I have not been to China for many years.

But I would never like to hear any racism talk.

In fact, currently all cases in Europe are not Chinese.

If "infected Chinese infected girls could become a problem", then is it a problem if a infected Frenchman infected girls?

As we know, there are at least 5 cases in France now, no offense, they are all French.

I think some of us are getting too sensitive about racism, forgetting where it all started and more importantly how and why it started. If some groups of people have a generally risky or unhealthy behavior, pointing that out or trying to avoid those consequences is not racism, it's being progressive and intelligent. I doubt we can say all these Governments are all doing racism: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51338899.

[JohnEllee]

First, I am not a Chinese citizen, and I have not been to China for many years.

But I would never like to hear any racism talk.

In fact, currently all cases in Europe are not Chinese.

If "infected Chinese infected girls could become a problem", then is it a problem if a infected Frenchman infected girls?

As we know, there are at least 5 cases in France now, no offense, they are all French.

At the moment, problem is only about China which don't give truth, and only very few elsewhere, so Japan and Korea are not bigger risk than France or Germany. Of course if infected Chinese infected girls, then could become a problem.

[Sirioja]

Banning Asians customers would not solve the issue, yes, but the chances of getting coronavirus will reduce for 99.99%.

And you said ((Without Asians customers, most girls would lost 30%-80% income)) and then you suggest ((everyone to stay home and FKK clubs would temporarily shutdown for 2 weeks)).

Didn't get it? You prefer everyone to stay home over only Asians! And you prefer girls to lose all income over losing 30% of their income? Dosent make sense to me.

At the moment, problem is only about China which don't give truth, and only very few elsewhere, so Japan and Korea are not bigger risk than France or Germany. Of course if infected Chinese infected girls, then could become a problem.

[The Critic]

The fear of the Corona virus has been overblown. So far it only has affected about 5,000 people and killed about 100.

Who declares the new coronavirus outbreak a Public Health Emergency of International Concern.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51318246

https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/c...hnk/index.html

Overblown. You spoke too soon!

[Tuber19]

Banning Asians customers would not solve the issue.

In reality, all coronavirus patients are Germans in Germany. If Sharks or other clubs ban innocent Asians customers, they choose wrong targets. Without Asians customers, most girls would lost 30%-80% income!! And they still have risk to get infection because locals would be virus carriers.

The best way to avoid virus is to stay at home, and all FKK clubs would temporarily shutdown for 2 weeks. Otherwise, if there is even one girl infected, the whole FKK industry would be ruined.

Banning Asians customers would not solve the issue, yes, but the chances of getting coronavirus will reduce for 99.99%.

And you said ((Without Asians customers, most girls would lost 30%-80% income)) and then you suggest ((everyone to stay home and FKK clubs would temporarily shutdown for 2 weeks)).

Didn't get it? You prefer everyone to stay home over only Asians! And you prefer girls to lose all income over losing 30% of their income? Dosent make sense to me.

[JohnEllee]

Banning Asians customers would not solve the issue.

In reality, all coronavirus patients are Germans in Germany. If Sharks or other clubs ban innocent Asians customers, they choose wrong targets. Without Asians customers, most girls would lost 30%-80% income!! And they still have risk to get infection because locals would be virus carriers.

The best way to avoid virus is to stay at home, and all FKK clubs would temporarily shutdown for 2 weeks. Otherwise, if there is even one girl infected, the whole FKK industry would be ruined.

There are only 5 reported cases and 0 deaths so far in France, as opposed to 7801 reported cases and 170 deaths in China. Majority of the reported cases are in Asia so far. France would have had zero cases if they had taken the precaution of banning people from China / Asia in time. Same goes for FKKs, before people in FKKs start getting infected. There are reasons that even the Chinease government has quarantined more than 50 million people (in perspective, the whole Germany populations 83 million). The Asian habit of eating anything that moves (snakes, bats, cockroaches, frogs. The list goes on) alive started this epidemic, and the utter denial and ignorance to instructions from health experts about quarantining those Asian people keeps spreading it. Unless FKKs can check for the virus (which is impossible), they should check ID / passports and temporarily ban people coming from Asia, for the safety of rest of the people and their business, until a vaccine or a real treatment is available.

[Gino02]

It is not wise to ban Asians tourists in Sharks. And majority Asian customers in Sharks actually come from United States.

Now there are more and more cases in France. Should clubs ban Frenchmen to go into club?

Any customers or girls, no matter the race, could be a coronavirus carrier.

So the safest way is to temporarily stop visiting FKK club in the next few weeks until the epidemic subsides.

Girls could go back to Romania now for their safety.

There are only 5 reported cases and 0 deaths so far in France, as opposed to 7801 reported cases and 170 deaths in China. Majority of the reported cases are in Asia so far. France would have had zero cases if they had taken the precaution of banning people from China / Asia in time. Same goes for FKKs, before people in FKKs start getting infected. There are reasons that even the Chinease government has quarantined more than 50 million people (in perspective, the whole Germany populations 83 million). The Asian habit of eating anything that moves (snakes, bats, cockroaches, frogs. The list goes on) alive started this epidemic, and the utter denial and ignorance to instructions from health experts about quarantining those Asian people keeps spreading it. Unless FKKs can check for the virus (which is impossible), they should check ID / passports and temporarily ban people coming from Asia, for the safety of rest of the people and their business, until a vaccine or a real treatment is available.

[JohnEllee]

Will they ask ID to Asians? For Chinese, compare to Koreans or Japanese or born in other countries. If one with virus goes with a girl and this girl goes with other guys and some go in other clubs. FKK land is great playfield to spread very fast a virus. GT even made Chinese new year party, real virus meeting. Better to be in good health to be able to resist.

It is not wise to ban Asians tourists in Sharks. And majority Asian customers in Sharks actually come from United States.

Now there are more and more cases in France. Should clubs ban Frenchmen to go into club?

Any customers or girls, no matter the race, could be a coronavirus carrier.

So the safest way is to temporarily stop visiting FKK club in the next few weeks until the epidemic subsides.

Girls could go back to Romania now for their safety.

[Gino02]

The fear of the Corona virus has been overblown. So far it only has affected about 5,000 people and killed about 100.

To put things in perspectives, the seasonal flu, also an airborne contagious disease, affects and kills a much bigger population worldwide, including the population in the 4 FKK host countries (DE, CH, Austria, and NL) during the flu season of 2019-2020. About 1/2 million people world-wide die annually from the seasonal flu.

In the USA alone, according to the estimates of the US Government agency Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), from October 1, 2019, through January 18,2020, there have been:

15,000,000 - 21,000,000 flu illnesses;.

7,000,000 - 10,000,000 flu medical visits;.

140,000 - 250,000 flu hospitalizations;..

You didn't mention that most of the deaths from common flu are due to either not taking flu shots or not receiving treatment even when there's lots of vaccines and good treatment is available. Those are simply the cases of ignorance or access to treatment. On the other hand, this Coronavirus doesn't have any vaccine or real treatment, yet; and researchers and scientists are saying it could take years to develop a vaccine or an effective treatment besides quarantines. CDC or who are no joking when they are advising against all non-essential travels to China now. Even Chinease government has quarantined 50 Million of their own people. 50 million people quarantined! Imagine that when the whole of Germany has only 80 million population! Asian customers may not like themselves banned from FKKs temporarily, but that probably is the safest approach for everyone including WGs, customers and club employees, and even the surrounding neighborhoods. Maybe the local or German government need to step in, like they did with the 2017 law, if clubs don't do self regulations for it's workers' and customers' safety.

CNBC: Coronavirus outbreak tops 6,000 cases in China, exceeding SARS epidemic (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/29/coro...t-updates.html).

[Sirioja]

Will certain Asian hunters change their business model? ;-)

Will they ask ID to Asians? For Chinese, compare to Koreans or Japanese or born in other countries. If one with virus goes with a girl and this girl goes with other guys and some go in other clubs. FKK land is great playfield to spread very fast a virus. GT even made Chinese new year party, real virus meeting. Better to be in good health to be able to resist.

[DiverOyster]

I believe most people overreact to the new coronavirus. It is still very safe in Europe, especially in Germany. So far there is only 1 case in Germany closed to border to France. No case around Frankfurt area.

On the other hand, especially in Sharks, since there are large number of customers coming from Asian or France, if unfortunately a coronavirus carrier happens to visit Sharks, then all girls would be infected within a few days. I believe the management of club should take some safety precautions to prevent such potential catastrophe.

The fear of the Corona virus has been overblown. So far it only has affected about 5,000 people and killed about 100.

To put things in perspectives, the seasonal flu, also an airborne contagious disease, affects and kills a much bigger population worldwide, including the population in the 4 FKK host countries (DE, CH, Austria, and NL) during the flu season of 2019-2020. About 1/2 million people world-wide die annually from the seasonal flu.

In the USA alone, according to the estimates of the US Government agency Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), from October 1, 2019, through January 18,2020, there have been:

15,000,000 - 21,000,000 flu illnesses;.

7,000,000 - 10,000,000 flu medical visits;.

140,000 - 250,000 flu hospitalizations;.

8,200 - 20,000 flu deaths.

Please see the statistics in the link below.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden...g_rsG_Zrw7GR3c

I have been visiting fkks for years during the flu season (generally from about October through about April). Even with the widespread prevalence of the contagious flu virus during the flu season, I have never become sick from DFK the FKK girls, and DFK and DATY are my usual modus operandi. I understand that there is a risk of catching the flu virus from DFK the girls, but this is a risk I am willing to take to enjoy my pleasure.

To me, the real health risk of visiting fkks is the second-hand smoke. I wish all fkks would have the non-smoking policy like Babylon Ellsdorf.

[JohnEllee]

Dow is down 400 points due to it. CDC suggested today to stop or postpone trips to China. Are the FKK girls now avoiding customers from China / Asia due to fear of Coronavirus? Are the clubs stopping customers from China / Asia to enter?

I believe most people overreact to the new coronavirus. It is still very safe in Europe, especially in Germany. So far there is only 1 case in Germany closed to border to France. No case around Frankfurt area.

On the other hand, especially in Sharks, since there are large number of customers coming from Asian or France, if unfortunately a coronavirus carrier happens to visit Sharks, then all girls would be infected within a few days. I believe the management of club should take some safety precautions to prevent such potential catastrophe.

[Tintin1]

Really good trip.
See posts in Sharks, Rom and Oase threads for more info.

Thank you for your detailed posts. I am going in a couple weeks and this is so helpful in planning my trip and FKK choices.