The Morality of Prostitution

[Upikey]

I'm interested in having sex with prostitutes abroad but there's no way in hell I'm going to to be unethical about it. How do I know which women are being forced to prostitute themselves or being controlled by pimps? Is there anything else I need to make sure to stay ethical?

[SeaBeeJoe]

Don't let anyone make you feel bad for mongering, in the USA Mongering is illegal but you are allowed to go to a strip club and throw money at a girl dancing naked on stage, you can throw as much money as you want, she can lead weak men thinking they'd get the chance to bone her so they can throw more money. If you and her (two consulting adults decide to BARTER sex for money, the American system was built around BARTER and its all of a sudden Illegal.

By the way, I used America for my example because most other countries really don't give two F*cks about mongering.

Bro you are spot on, that's why I never felt bad going to the clubs in Tijuana and other parts of the world. Our puritan values of old really need to be removed in terms of prostitution and mongering. Making mongering a felony in Texas. Wtf? That is completely retarded.

[DoomBringer321]

Over the past three decades, the sexual morals of many Western societies have changed beyond recognition. Most of the prohibitions that shaped the traditional, highly restrictive view of sex that prevailed until the 1950's. The ban on masturbation, premarital and extra-marital sex, promiscuity, and homosexuality. Were no longer seen as very serious, strict or, in fact, binding at all. In any case, a couple of customary forbiddances are still with us. The moral ban on prostitution, in particular, does not appear to have been drastically abolished or relaxed. Certainly, some of the old arguments against prostitution are rarely made these days; But then, many of the newer programs are very popular, at least in certain circles. Prostitution is no longer seen as the most extreme form of moral corruption; But the view that it is morally flawed at least seriously, if not obnoxious and intolerable, remains widely prevalent. In this paper, I would like to consider some of the main arguments in support of this view and try to show that none of them is convincing.

There is in my opinion a flaw in your logic, let's look at the way the world works in the west and the power dynamics that according to some women men have, women, get to choose which humans come into the world, they choose who they give their bodies too, in the west over 60% of college enrolled are women, women today in certain areas make more money than men, they hold more political power as well most voters are women, so it's clear just by reading the statistics it's not men who are "winning" and clearly the argument of my body my choice falls on deaf ears when it comes to prostitution.

What I believe is going on and this is a trend in the west, is an effort to restrict men's choices let's be clear about one fucking thing, it's literally almost criminal to approach women nowadays in some areas of the west "laws against catcalling" come to mind, why would men risk embarrassment, humiliation and possible criminal prosecution for striking up a conversation with girls who look like men and act like they have no interest in men, however, there is one reason and it's not moral against prostitution, it's an effort to restrict men's choices, women hate it when men have an advantage in the sexual market place and prostitution is just that, a choice it has always existed even in biblical times it's not "new", it's a power dynamic of the highest degree to restrict your freedom to choose. If prostitution existed for ex. In the US in all 50 states and territories, they would force women to do something they have not done in generation compete for your attention so yeah prostitution will not be legalized any time soon but the reason is not moral, clearly when a woman for ex. Cardi Bi an entertainer of sorts can publicly talk about drugging men and robbing them (illegal behavior) yet Bill Cosby gets canceled and thrown the book at for said behavior it's clearly not about morality it's abut about power my 2 cents.

[Jny88]

Don't let anyone make you feel bad for mongering, in the USA Mongering is illegal but you are allowed to go to a strip club and throw money at a girl dancing naked on stage, you can throw as much money as you want, she can lead weak men thinking they'd get the chance to bone her so they can throw more money. If you and her (two consulting adults decide to BARTER sex for money, the American system was built around BARTER and its all of a sudden Illegal.

By the way, I used America for my example because most other countries really don't give two F*cks about mongering.

[Intransit]

"*****phobia" Is a Real Word. Here's What It Means and Why You Should Care.

https://www.insidehook.com/article/s...ng/*****phobia

The demonization of sex work and sexual liberation has been around for. Ever. Will we ever care about the damage it causes?

BY KAYLA KIBBE at KAY_KIBBE.

A few weeks ago, comedian Anya Volz had the distinct yet relatable misfortune of revisiting some of her favorite films from the early aughts, only to discover that they are, in fact, pretty problematic.

"Trying to enjoy the comedies I grew up watching while now seeing how incredibly racist, homophobic, sexist, *****phobic, and ableist they all were," Volz wrote in a tweet accompanied by an old photo of Britney Spears flashing a pained grin paired with an unmistakable look of terror in her eyes on some red carpet years ago, probably around the same time many of those problematic jokes from Volz's favorite early-21st-century comedies were being drafted.

In a subsequent tweet, Volz noted that she had mistakenly left out "transphobic," which, she added, was perhaps a more prevalent offense "than all the other things combined!" But it wasn't Volz's belated nod to transphobia that got most people's attention. Rather, her mentions filled with replies from users puzzling or chuckling over the term "*****phobic," including one who, it feels worth noting, currently goes by the name "Shit Balls" on Twitter who insisted that "*****phobic is not a thing. ".

Click the link at the top if you'd like to read the rest of the article. If you do, you'll need to replace the "*****" string with the real word in the URL. The article has too many Instagram posts and other formatting issues to copy and paste it here conveniently. Thank you.

[UweHertzog459]

Over the past three decades, the sexual morals of many Western societies have changed beyond recognition. Most of the prohibitions that shaped the traditional, highly restrictive view of sex that prevailed until the 1950's. The ban on masturbation, premarital and extra-marital sex, promiscuity, and homosexuality. Were no longer seen as very serious, strict or, in fact, binding at all. In any case, a couple of customary forbiddances are still with us. The moral ban on prostitution, in particular, does not appear to have been drastically abolished or relaxed. Certainly, some of the old arguments against prostitution are rarely made these days; But then, many of the newer programs are very popular, at least in certain circles. Prostitution is no longer seen as the most extreme form of moral corruption; But the view that it is morally flawed at least seriously, if not obnoxious and intolerable, remains widely prevalent. In this paper, I would like to consider some of the main arguments in support of this view and try to show that none of them is convincing.

[JohnReter335]

Wow Intransit, that is one of the odder articles I've read this year. Who would have thought of being an Animal Crossing Dom? Certainly not me.

Even I'm not one of them and nobody thought about this earlier.

[Engine Driver]

I was bored at a baptism once and decided to read some Old Testament. Only time but I found this. It won't be word for word but went something like this: her sister lusted for the Assyrians for they were hung like horses. Yeah, I know, most of you guys are part Assyrian now.

Sex is sex. We are all animals and nothing wrong with that. If there's something more physically pleasurable please let me know.

The Philippines is a paradox. A country of contradictions and hypocrisy. A devoutly Catholic nation, its women are are the most promiscuous on the planet. Chocha Monger once wrote that for a Pinay, fucking a foreigner for money is like taking a shit. That is, she faces the same ethical dilemma in either activity.

[ChuchoLoco]

Always happy to guide mongers on the path to redemption. Why stop at the Bible? In the Hindu epic the Mahabharata, the five Pandava brothers all shared the one wife Draupadi! What would be the morality of that nowadays? Hahaha.

Cups, if you are moving to PussyLand, please do brush up on your Bible verses. The Pinay hookers love god fearing men. Religious knowledge is a real panty dropper there.

I was bored at a baptism once and decided to read some Old Testament. Only time but I found this. It won't be word for word but went something like this: her sister lusted for the Assyrians for they were hung like horses. Yeah, I know, most of you guys are part Assyrian now.

Sex is sex. We are all animals and nothing wrong with that. If there's something more physically pleasurable please let me know.

[Engine Driver]

ED in the PI forums has got me into re-reading The Bible with his newfound interest in religion. It seems the Old Testament and the New are loaded with examples of successful blokes having several wives and concubines (just like modern-day). Jesus himself was said to have married former callgirl Mary Magdalena. Age gaps? Hell, ya. There is the story of 75 year old Jacob bonking and marrying 19 year old Rachel who he fell in love with. But first he had to bonk Rachel's slightly older sister Leah as arranged by the the sisters' papa. Hell, the whole book of Song of Solomon is pre-porn. Thanks, ED, for reigniting my religion! It will likely be very helpful when I move to the extreme Catholicism of PI next year! Cheers, fellas!

Always happy to guide mongers on the path to redemption. Why stop at the Bible? In the Hindu epic the Mahabharata, the five Pandava brothers all shared the one wife Draupadi! What would be the morality of that nowadays? Hahaha.

Cups, if you are moving to PussyLand, please do brush up on your Bible verses. The Pinay hookers love god fearing men. Religious knowledge is a real panty dropper there.

[PedroMorales]

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/video-games-sex-work Now the risk of Covid-19 has made this impossible, and to make matters worse, Kiara's partner was laid-off from his job because of the pandemic, leaving her with the responsibility of supporting them both..

I feel sorry for Kiara but why doesn't "partner" pimp his ass as well as hers?

[Smoke Light]

CNN Naked female statue meant to honor feminist icon Mary Wollstonecraft met with public derision.

https://edition.cnn.com/style/articl...cli/index.html

Feminists trying to express themselves.

The sculpture comprises a small figurine of a naked woman, who many said doesn't resemble Wollstonecraft, perched on top of a larger, twisting mass of silver. It all sits on a black base engraved with a famous Wollstonecraft quote: "I do not wish women to have power over men, but over themselves."

Writer Tracy King also decried the statue as "a shocking waste of an opportunity that can't be undone."

[D Cups]

ED in the PI forums has got me into re-reading The Bible with his newfound interest in religion. It seems the Old Testament and the New are loaded with examples of successful blokes having several wives and concubines (just like modern-day). Jesus himself was said to have married former callgirl Mary Magdalena. Age gaps? Hell, ya. There is the story of 75 year old Jacob bonking and marrying 19 year old Rachel who he fell in love with. But first he had to bonk Rachel's slightly older sister Leah as arranged by the the sisters' papa. Hell, the whole book of Song of Solomon is pre-porn. Thanks, ED, for reigniting my religion! It will likely be very helpful when I move to the extreme Catholicism of PI next year! Cheers, fellas!

[Easeien]

Wow Intransit, that is one of the odder articles I've read this year. Who would have thought of being an Animal Crossing Dom? Certainly not me.

[Intransit]

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/video-games-sex-work

Lockdown sex workers are flocking to Animal Crossing and Second Life.

Legislation has pushed sex workers to the darkest corners of the internet, but during lockdown they've found an unlikely home in Borderlands, Minecraft and Animal Crossing.

By DAISY SCHOFIELD.

Kiara is a financial dominatrix from Michigan. Her clients get a thrill from the power-play relationship and from relinquishing all control to her – both financial and otherwise – from acting as the 'sub' to her 'domme'.

Before the pandemic, she made most of her earnings through 'cash meets'. "I'the usually take money out of a sub's wallet, maybe say something humiliating, and walk away," she says of a typical day's work.

Now the risk of Covid-19 has made this impossible, and to make matters worse, Kiara's partner was laid-off from his job because of the pandemic, leaving her with the responsibility of supporting them both.

So, at the start of lockdown, Kiara started using the video game Animal Crossing to keep a close relationship with her clients from a safe distance, using the in-game mechanics to subdue and order them around. On Animal Crossing, subs may pay a fee to go to Kiara's or another domme's virtual island, and carry out various chores for them, such as weeding their gardens, tidying their homes, or planting flowers. In-game spoils are also welcome, with cash meets finding their virtual equivalent in the form of 'bell meets'.

Video games are booming in lockdown, and they're providing a much-needed cash injection for sex workers like Kiara. She and other dommes offer similar services on Minecraft, charging their subs to shower them with diamonds, or carry out "grinding" tasks, such as collecting resources from the game's map and crafting. Another domme, who goes by the moniker Princess Void, says she charges $10 for players to join her Minecraft server, and an additional $25 to play with her. It may not sound like much, she says, "but it adds up. ".

The games also act as a form of promotion. "Animal Crossing is definitely helping me get out there more, and drive traffic to my AVN Stars (a popular adult platform)" says Madeline, a domme from LOS Angeles. Any additional service a sex worker can offer, or marketing they can acquire, is likely to give them a competitive edge in what is becoming an increasingly saturated online market. As offline sex workers are forced to go digital, adult sites Charturbate and OnlyFans have both reported a 75 per cent uptick in subscribers since the start of lockdown.

The pandemic has made the adult industry more precarious, exacerbating the deep harm already inflicted on sex workers by Donald Trump's FOSTA-SESTA bill. The legislation was intended to curb internet sex trafficking, but a number of websites – such as Craigslist and Backpage – barred posts from sex workers entirely to avoid any potential legal issues.

The legislation has shut sex workers out of sites like Tumblr, Patreon and Instagram, often forcing them to resort to either more dangerous types of work – partly, because it hampers their ability to vet clients – or platforms which take an exploitative cut.

OnlyFans takes a relatively low 20 per cent (most take 40 per cent), but largely tends to benefit performers who already have big audiences online. As it garners mainstream appeal, social media influencers and minor celebrities are now clamouring to sell their explicit content on the platform.

"I think it is a problem," says Heather Berg, an assistant professor of Women, Gender and Sexuality studies at Washington University in St Louis, of the "tourists" who are flooding sites like OnlyFans. "But sex workers are just more shrewd than non-sex workers when it comes to figuring out alternatives. ".

"Flouting terms of service agreements, or using platforms in a way they weren't intended to be used, has a long history among sex workers," Berg continues. "But as conditions get worse, because of FOSTA-SESTA and the pandemic, their creative strategies have to get even sharper. ".

When it comes to video games, which more than often have a limited capacity for sexual activity, the need for creativity becomes even more acute. On Animal Crossing, dommes might spank their subs with a butterfly net as "punishment", or use the in-game wheel to determine whether their client should orgasm, or pay a fee.

On Borderlands, where Princess Void charges subs $10 a mission, clients might be made to take off a piece of clothing, or 'edge' (getting close to climaxing and stopping), when their character dies. "Clients on Borderlands are more fetish people," she explains, "whereas Animal Crossing is really wholesome. " To get around Nintendo's strict terms of service, kink chat will usually take place over a third-party platform while playing a game, such as Discord or Twitter.

There are other well-established options for sex workers looking to escape the limitations of these games. The simulation game Second Life is a "perfect storm for sex work," says Bonnie Ruberg, an assistant professor of digital games and interactive media. "I'm sure Linden Labs (the creators) would say it's designed for human interaction and the creation of community, but sex cultures have always been at the heart of Second Life. ".

Meela Vanderbuilt (as her avatar is known) is well-acquainted with Second Life's erotic underworld. In 2013, she founded The Monarchy: a virtual brothel where clients can receive animated lap dances, sex and fetish exploration from one of the club's performers. Meela believes Second Life offers sex workers a safer option amid a harsher online climate – particularly when it comes to payment.

"Because Second Life has its own currency (the Linden Dollar), you don't have to worry about providing a PayPal to someone and potentially exposing who you are or your address," she explains. What's more, doing business with Linden Dollars circumvents the growing discrimination against sex workers from payment platforms such as PayPal and Venmo.

Second Life is also providing a solution to some of the problems around advertising that sex workers face after FOSTA-SESTA. Sarabi, a self-described 'stay at home mom' from Arizona, used to do private dancing, but since 2012, she's worked full-time as a Second Life sex worker, and more recently, she's been leveraging the platform to drive traffic to her OnlyFans. "It's introduced me to all types of clients," she says, "and those who have never purchased sex before. ".

A few years ago, Sarabi set up her own academy to train other women in Second Life sex work. She says she's had escorts approach her whose businesses were "greatly affected" by FOSTA-SESTA and another surge of interest from people – mostly online sex workers – looking to sell virtual sex on Second Life as a result of Covid-19. She'll teach clients how to drive traffic to "literally any platform – OnlyFans, NiteFlirt, AVN, to name a few," by purchasing in-game adboards.

But not even Second Life is immune from the censorship that is seeping into almost every corner of the internet. Meela said she's noticed a growing pushback from the game's moderators, which include having her in-game advertising blocked. "The platform generally doesn't have as healthy of an outlook on sex work as the residents," she says. When it comes to promoting the service on Facebook, she'll often run into similar problems, because it "sounds too much like real escorting".

"Game creators are scared FOSTA-SESTA is going to be used on them," explains Ruberg. "Second Life is also moving to rebrand itself from this fun, shady place to go on the internet, to something more educational and kid-friendly, like Minecraft. ".

Sex workers are subject to discrimination wherever they go. When it comes to video games, part of this arises from the conflation of sex workers with sexual predators. Ruberg gives the example of Twitch's policy documents, which group sex work and sexual interactions with children together. "Sex workers are very careful about age verification," says Berg, "for their own legal and ethical reasons. And not to mention, kids generally can't pay. ".

The threat of being shut out of a platform – gaming or otherwise – is a real and constant one. "It's about being really savvy," says Berg "and making sure your customer base travels with you so you're not tied to one app".

Sex workers are currently facing serious consequences for their health and livelihoods, but if history is anything to go by, this community's resilience will always lead them to find new and often unexpected ways to survive.