Rio de Janeiro Reports

**Vagabundo1** · 05-31-21 01:29

I'm not even going to argue, just quote Bubba Boy, who wrote.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...375&viewfull=1#post2558375.

"The longer I spend in Rio, the more I head to the cheaper places and the prives, basically you can find some real gems for a fraction of the price of the expensive places. The only downside is that the cheaper places tend to have less of a choice, this can be overcome by going to 2 or 3 on the same night. Entrance is generally are $ 10 to are $ 20 and the girl maybe are $ 100, hence with a bit of work you can bang some one as hot or even hotter than at the expensive places for just are $ 150, half the price and twice the fun!

Now on the basis of your 2 posts, I understand you disagree. I am quoting from Bubba Boy's two entire written guides. As for money, well, I have enough to be here as long as I want, while most visitors are constrained by time, money, or both. As they say in the law, res ipsa loquitor. Look it up.

As for the stock market comparison, it is actually like a stock market. It has everything to do with economics. That's self evident.

Staying in Botafogo is a good move, which I've done and recommended.

But the simple fact is that the best girls have chosen to live in Barra, which tells you something. We have a saying in the military art, "get inside his decision making loop," or to use the wingman analogy, "get on his 6," meaning behind your target. Allowing that most of the chicks you are looking at live at Transamerica, would it not help your game to see those girls at 10 am and 2 PM in the pool? In the elevator? In reception? In the bar? On the street for the morning walk?

But you got me, I don't know anything.

Oh, by the way, my hit ratio? It was one shot, one kill on Rihanna Noir (pictured) on the cheaper place on the Darkside. I got her number, waited a few weeks, texted her, met her at Central, and went straight bare up those 19 year old holes. And she is one of 3-4 in the rotation, and there are several trying to get in at any given time.

Just factually, you're wrong. It's easy to get to pharma and grocery in Barra.

Originally Posted by GordyGekko [View Original Post]

I finally made my trip to Rio a few weeks ago after a long hiatus and really enjoyed the termas again, even though Luomo is no longer there. I also decided to stay in Botafogo, which is a good neighborhood and has fewer tourists. Staying in Barra made no sense. No grocery store or pharmacy within walking distance and it takes forever to get anywhere. Ain't nobody got time for that.

Going to a terma and doing a session isn't overpaying. You are paying a fixed price for services offered by the house. Those who say you overpay at a terma frankly can't afford it! Just admit it.

And this whole act of "oh I'm so like a Brazilian and savvy and will only go in to get numbers because that's what Brazilians do". Another crock of shit. There are plenty of Brazilian customers that session in the termas because 1) they have the money to do so 2) they're married, so it's their discrete getaway from their wives during the week..

**Vagabundo1** · 05-31-21 01:13

Yeah, FS is available at the prives.

Read gparena.net.

Select the prive tab.

It's 120 for the hour at most, 70 or 80 for the half.

Originally Posted by USMatt [View Original Post]

Hi Vagabundo,

Enjoy reading your insights. At Onix is there a potential for more action or is it just HJ. Carol, Laura, Malu look hot. Did you session with them by any chance?

**GordyGekko** · 05-31-21 00:53

I finally made my trip to Rio a few weeks ago after a long hiatus and really enjoyed the termas again, even though Luomo is no longer there. I also decided to stay in Botafogo, which is a good neighborhood and has fewer tourists. Staying in Barra made no sense. No grocery store or pharmacy within walking distance and it takes forever to get anywhere. Ain't nobody got time for that.

Going to a terma and doing a session isn't overpaying. You are paying a fixed price for services offered by the house. Those who say you overpay at a terma frankly can't afford it! Just admit it.

And this whole act of "oh I'm so like a Brazilian and savvy and will only go in to get numbers because that's what Brazilians do". Another crock of shit. There are plenty of Brazilian customers that session in the termas because 1) they have the money to do so 2) they're married, so it's their discrete getaway from their wives during the week.

The majority of these girls are more comfortable seeing the customer in the terma for the first encounter. After that, the customer can get her number and have her come to his place for a better agreed upon price. Going to a terma and getting a bunch of numbers doesn't mean you have any guarantee of girls coming over to your place. It's funny how the hit / miss ratio of this strategy is NEVER mentioned. So if you go to a terma and see someone you like and are getting along well with, do the test drive there. There's no shame in it. You're on vacation with limited time.

Originally Posted by Vagabundo1 [View Original Post]

It's stupid to overpay in termas. Just get numbers and set it up outside. Don't pay the ask. Make a market, get 5-10 numbers and you will get your bid filled. Contact them a day in advance more. Be the hunter not the hunted, be the bat not the ball, gain and keep the initiative.

At these exchange rates Uber costs are negligible.

**MiamiBoy1** · 05-31-21 00:49

If my budget is 500 R pernoite (or multiple hours date) and I want them to come over to my airbnb? Barravips girls are pricey and do not negotiate. Brothels / casas / termas. I do not like, because I prefer to fuck in my apartment, it is much more enjoyable, I can put my favorite music on, pour some wine or mix up my drinks. If I'm paying for a nice apartment it would be stupid not to use it and rent a shitty motel room or fuck in a tiny termas room.

I see three options:

1. Visit mab's or dolce vita and try to grab a working girl there and bring her over to my place. Any other bars or clubs with working girls I should stop by?

2. Will try SA, the selection is poor, I guess it is not popular in Rio, but who knows. Premium membership is on sale now, and I will buy it anyways for my trip to Bogota after.

3. Visit termas and collect phone numbers and try to arrange something later. I am not sure how this is going to play out, my guess is that they would want pretty much same money as barravip girls. Also, entrance fees, drinks, etc all add up. My understanding is termas are hit or miss, sometimes lineups are good, sometimes they are not. But just to get in and see who is working requires some money and time. I don't mind spending money on drinks, etc. In fact, I love going out with girls and getting fucked up, but I just don't like being forced into paying some fees, buying bottles, etc. Required at some establishments.

I'm SA guy, I set up a date, pick a restaurant or a bar, and off we go. Eat, drink, dance, come to my place, fuck, 2 rounds usually with more drinks in between, she leaves. Rinse and repeat. I'm trying to find something similar for reasonable money in Rio.

Any suggestions are welcomed.

**USMatt** · 05-31-21 00:19

Originally Posted by Vagabundo1 [View Original Post]

I went to RB156 yesterday.

I just gave them my "name" and they pulled it and gave me a card to go into and out of the building.

I just wanted a real massage at onix.

It was 110 r for an hour, and 60 for intimo.

As it turned out a real massage also included a hand job, which is a nice gesture. I was just looking for a deep tissue massage.

Hi Vagabundo,

Enjoy reading your insights. At Onix is there a potential for more action or is it just HJ. Carol, Laura, Malu look hot. Did you session with them by any chance?

**Spidy** · 05-30-21 23:28

Originally Posted by TiaVoyage25 [View Original Post]

The first time I went to Colombia I did a similar thing. I stayed in Zona Rose (Bogota) and El Poblado (Medellin). Those are the nicer, more posh areas that are generally pretty safe. As I gained more familiarity with the various cities I started to spread my wings more and stay in different parts. Now when I visit I stay exclusively near Sante Fe in Bogota and a variety of places in Medellin. . . .

I see the comparison here when talking about where to stay in Rio regarding Copa vs. Barra. As this will be my first trip to Brazil, I'll be staying in Copa (to start) in Rio and Moema while in SP. . . .

Your take on how to go about assessing "where to stay", in Rio / SP with reference to your experiences in Bogota / Medellin is pretty good. It should serve you well, in Brazil. New MBs plagued with this decision should take note.

Colombia (Bogota / Medellin) is on my bucket list, so your info, definitely helps. Thanks!

**The Cane** · 05-30-21 23:12

Originally Posted by Vagabundo1 [View Original Post]

The two questions to ask are:

1. Are you getting it bare?

2. Are you on her social media?

If not, you probably don't have her respect, and you may as well be a dildo.

If you're writing about Brazil and you haven't even been here, what's the point?

If the extent of your experience is ordering freelancers like Elisa Sanches or going to termas in Copa, then your perspective is so limited your input is of limited value at best.

First of all, you assume that getting it bare is always a good thing that all mongers should seek or want. The truth is that many guys choose to play it safe versus playing Russian roulette with their health by fucking multiple prostitutes bare. Plenty of women (including prostitutes too) actually do respect men who show that they care about safe sex practices that protect both themselves and women. Second, I find it interesting that you continue to heap praise upon Bubba Boy while consistently trashing the termas as well. The truth is that a huge focus of his was on the termas, and he spent a lot of time in them. You know, everybody's situation isn't like yours. They have different tastes, a different budget, and a different amount of time to monger. If we were all basically living in Brazil like you are, then yes that would call for doing things differently. A lot differently. But most of us aren't living there and therefore need (and even want) to roll differently. Your constant put downs of people with other tastes, desires, and views really does not contribute much here, and definitely isn't within the spirit of what this place is all about. More live and let live would be far more productive.

**Member #4729** · 05-30-21 22:43

Originally Posted by HarvestBoi [View Original Post]

Don't laugh. Years ago a friend showed me a paper in a serious economics journal, that quantified currency exchange rates and strength of domestic economy in terms of prostitution prices or as he put it "the international working girl hour".

This is an idea I've discussed with my father (an actual economist) and is actually a fairly serious proposition. After all, famed economist Steven Levitt writes about the Economics of Drug Dealing in the best seller "Freakonomics", and I see no reason why the measure would be any less valid than the widely used "Big Mac" Index and worthy of deep study.

https://www.economist.com/big-mac-index

One esteemed poster noted here a while back that the efflorescence of prostitution seems to occur most robustly in emerging middle-income countries in which there is still a large income inequality and where wage labor remains depressed. Thailand, Brazil, Russia would be great examples. Consider that although working girl hours remain the cheapest in low income countries like Cambodia, Philippines, and Cambodia, but there is lack of a critical infrastructure around it on the scale of aforementioned locations and the industry has not flourished. Germany and the FKK scene seems to elide this rule, but perhaps could more represent the logic of a migratory labor force from the Balkans similar to the German phenomenon of the "Polish Plumber".

First chance I get I'm going right back to Angeles City / Subic where you can get 30-40 $ BBFS with a LBFM 7 nights a week. For my money, that's the best values out there even if the whole city is a sh*t hole. I mean, priorities.

**Vagabundo1** · 05-30-21 22:38

That's just the big Mac index from the economist.com or purchasing power parity.

Look if you haven't even been in Brazil you probably have no cred writing about it.

Originally Posted by HarvestBoi [View Original Post]

Don't laugh. Years ago a friend showed me a paper in a serious economics journal, that quantified currency exchange rates and strength of domestic economy in terms of prostitution prices or as he put it "the international working girl hour". Sadly I tossed it years ago or I'the give you the link.

**HarvestBoi** · 05-30-21 22:23

Don't laugh. Years ago a friend showed me a paper in a serious economics journal, that quantified currency exchange rates and strength of domestic economy in terms of prostitution prices or as he put it "the international working girl hour". Sadly I tossed it years ago or I'the give you the link.

Originally Posted by PahllusMaximus [View Original Post]

IMHO, the Real seems undervalued. With a rate of R100=USD 18.50 (roughly 5. 5), <$US60 for an hour or more of pleasure is a good deal. Many are under <$USD25 an hour. Is there price of pussy (POP INDEX) (snicker) ?

**Vagabundo1** · 05-30-21 21:56

The two questions to ask are:

1. Are you getting it bare?

2. Are you on her social media?

If not, you probably don't have her respect, and you may as well be a dildo.

If you're writing about Brazil and you haven't even been here, what's the point?

If the extent of your experience is ordering freelancers like Elisa Sanches or going to termas in Copa, then your perspective is so limited your input is of limited value at best.

**Pahllus Maximus** · 05-30-21 21:34

Yep, multi-factorial market pricing with all the usual arbitrage and fools in the game, men and women. I enjoy your posts.

For this group, those not not selling labour, smart investments and living in pleasant lands arbitraging currency, tax laws, exploiting the cost of living and price and ready availability of beautiful and nubile young women is entirely rational, especially with effectively free video communication and dirt cheap airlines to have the best of all worlds. COVID has wreaked havoc on that, and is why it is so traumatic. It has effectively forced the sale of high structural cost societies, a sort of put option by closed borders.

IMHO, the Real seems undervalued. With a rate of R100=USD 18.50 (roughly 5. 5), <$US60 for an hour or more of pleasure is a good deal. Many are under <$USD25 an hour. Is there price of pussy (POP INDEX) (snicker) ?

**Vagabundo1** · 05-30-21 20:53

At least you're here.

According to your reports, you're still getting it all covered. And they're not letting you on their social media.

My issue is with prepandemic pictures which have nothing to do with what is currently out there. The pictures I post are from this year, if not this month.

The metro stop in barra has changed things in several ways. It's easier for talent to get to barra.

Transamerica is not the only spot, but it is good for the barravipsrio girls, as most are here at some point or another, usually at the start of their careers which is good.

As I've said, ksportal offers luxury apartments near metro jardim oceanico.

My issue is also with ISG members who ask me to go out to termas with them when they are paying 1000 for pernoite for a girl who leaves at 02 h, as I mentioned. Then the staff at 4 x4 come up to me and say, "oh don't you remember your friend who paid 1000 reais to take the girl out pernoite" which really is the locals saying "you are a idiot gringo, why don't you do the same stupid thing". It's not just me. It is a more or less direct quote from Bubba Boy, who literally wrote the 2 part, 100 page guide to Rio. All of which is still valid, except for some things like which venues are open, all of which can be updated by looking at gparena.net.

Originally Posted by ZebraStripes81 [View Original Post]

Seems like lately on this board and the Medellin forum there has been a lot of chatter (much of it sour) about prices.

**Vagabundo1** · 05-30-21 20:43

That says it all.

You haven't been to Rio or Brazil.

Good luck, lad.

Originally Posted by TheDerilious [View Original Post]

On all of my mongering trips (first time in Brazil upcoming)

**Spidy** · 05-30-21 20:04

Originally Posted by Turgid [View Original Post]

For Vagabundo. I took this photo on Copacabana beach way back in 2007 most likely a day after a night at Help. Enjoy.

Okay, yah lost me on the connection to Vagabundo. Most of the pics from Vagabundo are IMHO, pretty Brasileiras with terrific bronzed bodies.

Originally Posted by Vagabundo1 [View Original Post]

Not my type. Bundinha. Not bundao.

I didn't think so either.

Originally Posted by Turgid [View Original Post]

I have observed in many threads in ISG of guys getting offended if a poster has a different view from them. I prefer brancas to negras, why should a poster be offended because of that?

Okay, I get it now...this is one of your brancas with a super hot bronze tan. Wow, she's pretty hot! Carry on!