Stupid shit in Medellin

[JjBee62]

Well I guess if what you wrote is your understanding of what I wrote, then that makes you the idiot, not me. I didn't write any of those positions that you described. But go ahead and criticise those vews if you like. But they ain't mine..

Is English not your first language? If that's the case, I will give you a pass on not understanding what you wrote. Let's take an in depth look, shall we?

Its good evidence against people that do not want to take the vaccine bcos they think it is ineffective.

There are people who think that pulling out is an effective method of birth control. There is no good evidence to support that belief, but those people are either unwilling to examine the evidence, or are unable to understand it. There is no evidence that the vaccines are ineffective, quite the opposite. For some individuals they may provide less protection, for some individuals they may provide no protection. However, for the vast majority they provide significant protection.

And that's how vaccines work, by preventing most recipients from contracting whichever disease the vaccination is for. Poliomyelitis would not have been almost entirely eradicated worldwide, without such widespread distribution of the vaccine. If you want a visual to help grasp that concept, go to Medellin. Walk around some of the poor neighborhoods. Look for the people with twisted and shriveled limbs. They're not difficult to spot. Often they are begging for change. Notice anything about them? None of them are children or young adults. The reason is, the disease was eradicated from Colombia by 1991.

You are entitled to believe whatever you want. If you want to believe the Covid vaccines are ineffective, go for it. But stop babbling incoherently about evidence when you obviously are either unwilling or unable to examine the evidence.

But there are other reasons. For example, people might question the long term effectiveness of the vaccine. That has not been proven.

I hate to keep beating this dead horse, but anyone can question anything they want. That doesn't mean their questions are valid. This is really the departure from sanity point in your post. I'll put it in terms anyone with an IQ above 85 should understand. If you get lost get an adult to explain it to you.

33 years ago, plus a few months, my fiancee was found to have 2 malignant brain tumors, 1 left temporal and 1 right frontal. This was her third about with cancer, with the second being about 4 years earlier. We consulted with Oncologists and Neurosurgeons, we researched all the available alternatives and asked all the questions. The main question was "what are the chances the cancer will come back?

In other words "what is the long term effectiveness of this surgery and treatment combination?

Without surgery, with radiation treatments and massive doses of steroids, she could have hoped to live for 6-9 months, however, she would have effectively been a vegetable after 3-4 months. With surgery, an experimental treatment and radiation treatments, she could reasonably expect to be cancer free for 3-5 years. However, the likelihood of future cancer was high.

Using your insane reasoning, since the long term effectiveness of the treatment was unknown, she would have been better off dying in 6-9 months after only a few months of being able to live her life. Since neither of us were insane, we went with the course which provided the best hope for a future.

In the end, the cancer returned (after 5 years) there was another round of surgery and treatment, which gave another 3 years before cancer ended her life. That's nearly 8 years of life that you believe she should have thrown away, because the long term effectiveness was unknown.

Are you beginning to grasp why I said you're making yourself look like an idiot?

Choosing between being protected nearly 100% against death or long term hospitalization from Covid for a year or more (at no cost to you), with the possibility of needing another dose of vaccine at some point in the future, and having up to a 20% chance of hospitalization and 1. 8% chance of death, if you become symptomatic with Covid (all while racking up huge medical bills), seems pretty fucking simple.

Myself, I would not take a vax bcos I think it is immoral. For example, would you sacrifice your own child / wife / mother so that I can research the effects of a potential vaccine? I assume you would say no. So then why would you expect someone else to sacrifice theirs or for anyone else to take yours without your permission?

Ah! The coup de grace. It's immoral to take a vaccine. I could understand your point if 60% of my cerebral cortex had been surgically removed. I could even understand your point if people were being injected with an untested vaccine against their will and without their knowledge. That would certainly be immoral.

However, the vaccine has been tested. It continues to be tested many thousands of times every day. The rate of adverse effects is extremely low. It is not a "potential vaccine." None of the currently available vaccines are "potential vaccines." Nobody is forcing you to inject an unknown substance into your wife, child or mother.

However, if wish to link voluntarily receiving a tested and safe vaccine with morality then you're on the wrong fucking forum. By being here, on ISG, in the Colombia forum, you are supporting using the poverty of young Colombian mothers as a lever to force them to have sex with you at a price much lower than you could get in other places. Check with your local community standards. I believe you'll find more people think that mongering with impoverished women 20-50 years younger than you is less acceptable than getting a vaccine.

Personally, I don't have a problem with it, but I'm not trying to claim my moral superiority by my decision on whether or not to get vaccinated.

I'll keep saying it:

If you don't want to get vaccinated, don't get vaccinated. Nobody is holding a gun to your head forcing you to get vaccinated. Not that a bullet to the head has a chance of striking anything you use. It's your personal decision, nobody else's. Just stop spewing your idiocy trying to pretend your decision has any rational basis.

[JustTK]

You travel to impoverished countries, because the high poverty rate enables you to have sex with young women, most who are trying to support a family, at 10% of what it would cost you at home and you believe voluntarily taking a vaccine that has already been received by nearly 1 billion people is immoral?

That could quite possibly be the most incredibly fucked up rationale I've ever encountered.

People might question the long term effectiveness? People might also question the long term effectiveness of having malignant tumors surgically removed, because quite often the cancer will return, further surgery and treatment will be required. However, those are incredibly stupid people.

If you don't want to get vaccinated, don't get vaccinated. Honestly, nobody here really gives a fuck, no matter what they might say. But stop making up all kinds of bullshit, because it makes you look like an idiot.

Well I guess if what you wrote is your understanding of what I wrote, then that makes you the idiot, not me. I didn't write any of those positions that you described. But go ahead and criticise those vews if you like. But they ain't mine. .

[JustTK]

So, first sentence you acknowledge that the death rate is overwhelming among those who are unvaccinated and you say that "is good evidence against people who don't take the vaccie because they think it is ineffective".
But the very next sentence you say some people think it may not have long-term effectiveness? Seriously? So what? If the vaccine is good for a year or two and then you need another. Is that so bad? Since the.
Covid strain at issue has only been around for 1 1/2 years, and the vaccine has only been out about 6 months (after preliminary trials) I guess we'll find out. But the fact that it is effective initially is ample reason to.
Be vaccinated. If it doesn't perform long-term I suspect the drug companies will have improved the vaccine so that it will, in due course.
Lastly you think the vaccine is immoral? Because why?? You understand we are not in an experimental trial right now. Right? You know that the trials don't 'force' your child / wife / grandmother to enter it right??
The last bastion of stupidity is someone saying " I'm not going to take the vaccine because it isn't proven to be 100% effective " Current statistics are running over 90% effective against the virus and the less than 10% who still get infected are surviving at a highly elevated rate vs those who are unvaccinated. Perfect? Not yet. Effective. Damn straight.

Yes, there is a difference between short term and long term. The vaccine clearly helps vulnerable people from dying in the short term. But its long term effectiveness is not proven (bcos viruses mutate). Thats great if your vulnerable or rich, or even better if your both. But billions of people will never get a vax bcos they live in a poor country. That will remain an opportunity for the virus to mutate.

My personal issue is not with the effectiveness of the vaccine. My issue is that I will not support a process that kills innocent beings in the trials. I don't accept that my life is more important than those innocent beings that are being murdered in the trials.

[MarquisdeSade1]

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...accine/619276/

[MarquisdeSade1]

You are a victim of Russian / Republican disinformation.

Of defective DNA.

[MarquisdeSade1]

So, first sentence you acknowledge that the death rate is overwhelming among those who are unvaccinated and you say that "is good evidence against people who don't take the vaccie because they think it is ineffective".

But the very next sentence you say some people think it may not have long-term effectiveness? Seriously? So what? If the vaccine is good for a year or two and then you need another. Is that so bad? Since the.

Covid strain at issue has only been around for 1 1/2 years, and the vaccine has only been out about 6 months (after preliminary trials) I guess we'll find out. But the fact that it is effective initially is ample reason to.

Be vaccinated. If it doesn't perform long-term I suspect the drug companies will have improved the vaccine so that it will, in due course.

Lastly you think the vaccine is immoral? Because why?? You understand we are not in an experimental trial right now. Right? You know that the trials don't 'force' your child / wife / grandmother to enter it right??

The last bastion of stupidity is someone saying " I'm not going to take the vaccine because it isn't proven to be 100% effective " Current statistics are running over 90% effective against the virus and the less than 10% who still get infected are surviving at a highly elevated rate vs those who are unvaccinated. Perfect? Not yet. Effective. Damn straight.

You recd Sinovac.

[JjBee62]

Its good evidence against people that do not want to take the vaccine bcos they think it is ineffective.

But there are other reasons. For example, people might question the long term effectiveness of the vaccine. That has not been proven.

Myself, I would not take a vax bcos I think it is immoral. For example, would you sacrifice your own child / wife / mother so that I can research the effects of a potential vaccine? I assume you would say no. So then why would you expect someone else to sacrifice theirs or for anyone else to take yours without your permission?

Let me get this straight.

You travel to impoverished countries, because the high poverty rate enables you to have sex with young women, most who are trying to support a family, at 10% of what it would cost you at home and you believe voluntarily taking a vaccine that has already been received by nearly 1 billion people is immoral?

That could quite possibly be the most incredibly fucked up rationale I've ever encountered.

People might question the long term effectiveness? People might also question the long term effectiveness of having malignant tumors surgically removed, because quite often the cancer will return, further surgery and treatment will be required. However, those are incredibly stupid people.

If a vaccine prevents you from being hospitalized or dying for 6 months (and also prevents you from infecting other people who might be hospitalized or who might die, then what's the objection? "I'd rather go ahead and die now than have to submit to another half second vaccine injection again next year."

Where in the fuck is this potential vaccine you are speaking of? There are several actual, tested and proven vaccines. To date they have been administered to nearly 1 billion people around the world. That's a total of almost 2 billion tests, not counting all of the actual tests before any of the vaccines were authorized for distribution.

Is there a chance that any individual will have an adverse reaction to the vaccine? Yes. Just like there is a chance that someone will choke on a piece of popcorn. Is it immoral to sell popcorn because 1 out of every 1 million people who eat popcorn will choke and die on popcorn?

If you don't want to get vaccinated, don't get vaccinated. Honestly, nobody here really gives a fuck, no matter what they might say. But stop making up all kinds of bullshit, because it makes you look like an idiot.

[John Clayton]

Its good evidence against people that do not want to take the vaccine bcos they think it is ineffective.

But there are other reasons. For example, people might question the long term effectiveness of the vaccine. That has not been proven.

Myself, I would not take a vax bcos I think it is immoral. For example, would you sacrifice your own child / wife / mother so that I can research the effects of a potential vaccine? I assume you would say no. So then why would you expect someone else to sacrifice theirs or for anyone else to take yours without your permission?

You are a victim of Russian / Republican disinformation.

[Villainy]

Its good evidence against people that do not want to take the vaccine bcos they think it is ineffective.

But there are other reasons. For example, people might question the long term effectiveness of the vaccine. That has not been proven.

Myself, I would not take a vax bcos I think it is immoral. For example, would you sacrifice your own child / wife / mother so that I can research the effects of a potential vaccine? I assume you would say no. So then why would you expect someone else to sacrifice theirs or for anyone else to take yours without your permission?

So, first sentence you acknowledge that the death rate is overwhelming among those who are unvaccinated and you say that "is good evidence against people who don't take the vaccie because they think it is ineffective".

But the very next sentence you say some people think it may not have long-term effectiveness? Seriously? So what? If the vaccine is good for a year or two and then you need another. Is that so bad? Since the.

Covid strain at issue has only been around for 1 1/2 years, and the vaccine has only been out about 6 months (after preliminary trials) I guess we'll find out. But the fact that it is effective initially is ample reason to.

Be vaccinated. If it doesn't perform long-term I suspect the drug companies will have improved the vaccine so that it will, in due course.

Lastly you think the vaccine is immoral? Because why?? You understand we are not in an experimental trial right now. Right? You know that the trials don't 'force' your child / wife / grandmother to enter it right??

The last bastion of stupidity is someone saying " I'm not going to take the vaccine because it isn't proven to be 100% effective " Current statistics are running over 90% effective against the virus and the less than 10% who still get infected are surviving at a highly elevated rate vs those who are unvaccinated. Perfect? Not yet. Effective. Damn straight.

[JustTK]

Almost any and everything you read will echo that around 99% of the CoVid deaths are in unvaccinated people. I copied a bunch of links below. They are not all parroting the CDC's findings.
(Which should be sufficient for anyone who isn't a conspiracy theorist). The uniformity of the results might lead a rational person to actively seek vaccination. You are not guaranteed against getting the virus, but you are far more likely to survive it.
Isn't that enough?? Do we really need to know exactly how the virus operates or how the vaccine was conceived or who profits or who scratches their balls.

Its good evidence against people that do not want to take the vaccine bcos they think it is ineffective.

But there are other reasons. For example, people might question the long term effectiveness of the vaccine. That has not been proven.

Myself, I would not take a vax bcos I think it is immoral. For example, would you sacrifice your own child / wife / mother so that I can research the effects of a potential vaccine? I assume you would say no. So then why would you expect someone else to sacrifice theirs or for anyone else to take yours without your permission?

[GeneHickman]

How did it affect your brother? If you were infected by your brother would it have still shown up as late as the date that you took the test in Colombia?
I don't blame you. That must have been 50 years ago, $20!

Some people with weaker immune systems. Chronic illnesses or elderly take longer to clear the virus. Kids with strong immune systems generally run through it quickly.

[JjBee62]

How did it affect your brother? If you were infected by your brother would it have still shown up as late as the date that you took the test in Colombia?
I don't blame you. That must have been 50 years ago, $20!

My brother complained that he thought he had a really bad cold and a sinus infection. He was seriously dragging for 5 days. At the time I didn't think anything of it, because he's generally only around a small circle of people and he doesn't travel.

If you add 5 to 7 days to when I was around him, it coincides with my first symptoms. Add another 14 days and that's when I was tested. 6 more days and my symptoms started to clear up.

One of the problems after having Covid is that enough can remain in your body to cause a positive test for several weeks after you're no longer contagious.

I had a lot of fun at the towing company. It was only a bit over 30 years ago. The average tow bill then was $30-$35.

[Mr Enternational]

I need to correct you on that. While I was initially uncertain when and where I became infected, I can now say with 100% certainty that I was infected at home by my brother just over 1 week before I left for Colombia. 4 other people who were around him during the same period have also tested positive. He has not, and probably will not be vaccinated.

How did it affect your brother? If you were infected by your brother would it have still shown up as late as the date that you took the test in Colombia?

She told me she wasn't going to pay $20 for something that took me 2 seconds. I tossed the keys back on the seat, locked the door and closed it. I told her there was no charge for the first one. If she wanted me to unlock it again it was going to cost $20.

I don't blame you. That must have been 50 years ago, $20!

[Osteoknot]

I just went back like 8 pages and still didn't get past the two idiots arguing about covid and vaccines.

There are thousands of places to have a discussion about vaccines and covid. You can even choose one based on if you want an argument or an echo chamber.

If your chosen platform to present your argument is a site for discussing working girls, you probably aren't arguing as eloquently as you think you are.

Are there any moderators here? If so, please moderate all this shit, my own post included.

Did you notice the forum here is Stupid Shit? I'd say everything is in its proper place, although I agree the topic is played out.

[MarquisdeSade1]

Got to tell you MDS, people's naivete on China is amazing. Somehow American deaths from Corona were Trump's fault, and China is blameless. How the hell did that happen? Clearly, China has a great PR team.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...iwan-quicktake

I sure hope so!!