Seeking Arrangements

[AmericanPi]

BloodRed don't apologize for being his topic. It's an occupational hazard in our line of work and we to share intel to minimize risk and maximize productivity. Heheh.

Yeah HIV is actually hard to get like Steve said. At the risk of being graphic it's more common among gays because there's more breaking of flesh in their line of work.

Your bigger risks are the ones that are bad but treatable, or not as bad but incurable. Those are the ones I personally put on the jimmy for. I want my Johnson coming home in the same condition I brought it on my little excursions. So far so good though I know there's always that chance. But we take whatever precautions we each deem prudent and practical, even if our opinions differ somewhat on what those precautions should be.

One study says 1 in 2500. That's if the woman has HIV. I think the likelihood of that amongst my girls is vanishingly low. But For the sake of argument say 1 in 1000. Then the odds are 1 in 2. 5 million.

This makes sense right. I think even 1 in 2500 is overstated. You can't get it from skin to skin contact. The likelihood of some fluid making its way all the way back up your urethra seems nearly impossible. So I think you would need an open wound or some such. That's just my layman's POV.

[WyattEarp]

One study says 1 in 2500. That's if the woman has HIV. I think the likelihood of that amongst my girls is vanishingly low. But For the sake of argument say 1 in 1000. Then the odds are 1 in 2. 5 million.

This makes sense right. I think even 1 in 2500 is overstated. You can't get it from skin to skin contact. The likelihood of some fluid making its way all the way back up your urethra seems nearly impossible. So I think you would need an open wound or some such. That's just my layman's POV.

I believe your assessment of catching HIV from unprotected vaginal sex is accurate.

I haven't checked the CDC web page in awhile. As recently as a few years ago, they were considering it a common risk in order to scare people into using condoms. That's my opinion.

Studies have proven out that the risk is negligible.

[Steve 9696]

Sorry, I do not mean to turn this into a STD discussion, but am really curious and would love to get everyone's opinion on this (And yes I know we are not doctors), but anyway: what are the odds of getting HIV for a guy fucking a HIV confirmed woman without protection with vaginal sex?

One study says 1 in 2500. That's if the woman has HIV. I think the likelihood of that amongst my girls is vanishingly low. But For the sake of argument say 1 in 1000. Then the odds are 1 in 2. 5 million.

This makes sense right. I think even 1 in 2500 is overstated. You can't get it from skin to skin contact. The likelihood of some fluid making its way all the way back up your urethra seems nearly impossible. So I think you would need an open wound or some such. That's just my layman's POV.

[Elvis 2008]

For those of you who've been to Mexico, what's your take on CDMX vs Guadalajara vs Cancun? It seems like CDMX is the best starting point with most variety but maybe the girls are more flaky than GDL? The girls in Cancun have some impressive optics but the selection is poor and I'm guessing prices are high. Is there anyone who would take GDL over CDMX?

Hey Drama, I was making a plan to visit CDMX but the posts over on that board mostly about referrals for escorts seemed like much less fun than SA / Colombia. no clubs, no SA postings, no places to hang out. I have SA girls waiting for me in BOG and Med. Fricken messaging me and would travel to meet. STILL cdmx sounds much better hearing about it from YOU. And it's the distance and 1/3 the time on a plane with cooler weather than where I am. What's possible for airbnb or reasonable stays in cdmx? Anyone know? That is the other issue about cdmx. Colombia 5 star hotels (Dann Carlton) are $75 or less. I already have 3 weeks booked in Colombia. I could cancel. But those girls are hard to let go. LOL.

TF, Cancun is more expensive than CDMX which is more expensive than Guadalajara. Cancun has hot women but outside of some studios and the website milerotics, it is USA prices for women. Guadalajara has better P4P options than CDMX, strip clubs, and cheaper hotel rooms. That said, I struck out on SA there. Also, Guadalajara has IMO the hottest women in Mexico but the hotties I saw at the malls and supermarkets did not seem to be available for P4P. I did not stay for long but it would have been an interesting city to network. Also, Puerto Vallarta, which has its own hot P4P scene, is like a 4 hour bus ride away. I had a suite at the FCH hotel for like $60 a night and it was no problem bringing women in.

DC, you are right. There are no strip clubs in Mexico City but there is one sex club with women. For P4P I used laboutiquevip, Twitter, and blog de Busti. As for hotels, you can get Bogota like prices and quality if you stay in Santa Fe, but a lot of women will not travel to you there. My favorite hotel is Barcelo in the Reforma area, and it is less than $100 a night. Look at Barcelo Reforma. IMO it is 5 star, but they have had a varied policy on guests. Precovid, it was no issue with guests. If you do a prolonged stay, maybe you can get a discount.

The real issue with CDMX are the costs of entertaining. Restaurants can be an arm and a leg, and a lot of Mexican men use seeking and have money so you are competing with them. The top women are going to want more and expect to be entertained at least at first. If you are not going for the 10 types though, you can find very attractive women at Bogota prices.

[Elvis 2008]

Sorry, I do not mean to turn this into a STD discussion, but am really curious and would love to get everyone's opinion on this (And yes I know we are not doctors), but anyway: what are the odds of getting HIV for a guy fucking a HIV confirmed woman without protection with vaginal sex?

There are a lot of factors. Is she bleeding? Higher risk. Is she on medication for HIV? Several studies show no HIV transmission at all if people are on HIV therapy. The studies I have seen with unprotected sex show rates of transmission from zero to one in half a million per sex act. To me, heterosexual HIV transmission is so rare that it is hard to put a number on it, but seeing the studies I have, I would put it at one in thousands to tens of thousands if the woman is HIV +. Again, the amount of virus in someone's blood varies so the risk is theoretically higher in someone with higher HIV levels, and it is going to be a higher risk if you go at it harder such that you have skin abrasions in your penis or for longer due to prolonged virus exposure so it is not an easy thing to calculate. Hope that helps.

[Blood Red]

1. The odds of a man catching HIV from unprotected vaginal sex are vanishingly small.

Sorry, I do not mean to turn this into a STD discussion, but am really curious and would love to get everyone's opinion on this (And yes I know we are not doctors), but anyway: what are the odds of getting HIV for a guy fucking a HIV confirmed woman without protection with vaginal sex?

[NickMani]

Hey Guys.

I have been using sa for sometime now. My experience have been great however I'm looking for countries which have better arrangement options in relation to cost.

Thanks.

[DonCarlos1234]

I had some successes and failure this trip, but one major step accomplished. My landlord on Airbnb has agreed to deal with me directly, so I cut out the middleman. This will save $100-200 each trip, so those that say I am reckless with my money, maybe you are wrong, just like most of your posts!

I am leaving tomorrow, and will be back Sunday. I wii go work my ass off and return to CDMX.

This place is amazing, you do need to be careful it can get expensive fast. Amazing how some leave this out of there reports.

Hey Drama, I was making a plan to visit CDMX but the posts over on that board mostly about referrals for escorts seemed like much less fun than SA / Colombia. – no clubs, no SA postings, no places to hang out. I have SA girls waiting for me in BOG and Med. Fricken messaging me and would travel to meet. STILL cdmx sounds much better hearing about it from YOU. And it's ½ the distance and 1/3 the time on a plane with cooler weather than where I am. What's possible for airbnb or reasonable stays in cdmx? Anyone know? That is the other issue about cdmx. Colombia 5 star hotels (Dann Carlton) are $75 or less. I already have 3 weeks booked in Colombia. I could cancel. But those girls are hard to let go. LOL.

[Ggekko2009]

Is there any concrete theory on which attributes seeking uses when to disconitnue access.

E) Browser & IP address the same as previous access.

Now I'm wondering will I try again with a new email and new card digits, or will I also need a VPN.

Any experience shares?

The IP could be the problem, since they may have already flagged it. Also clear your cookies and cache, and better yet if you are using Chrome browser, create a new profile from the App and create a new account with a clean slate without existing cookies and cache.

As soon as the account is created, set up your account with 2 FA, use the google mobile app for your 2 FA and stay away from using your cell phone for authentication.

My first account was suspended, because I had mistakenly created an account with my US IP address but was logging in subsequently with a German routed VPN. It got flagged.

Anyway, I sent a nasty email to their tech support, but they wanted verification by wanting me to send them a picture of my government issued ID. That was not going to happen.

So I just created a second account and move on from there.

[Ggekko2009]

So after reading all about seeking on here. I had to give it a try for trip to Frankfurt this week.

I had gone to Germany many times prior to covid, but mostly sticking to the FKK scenes. I had my fair share of fun experiences there. Sadly, having read all the negative reports coming out from the FKK threads these days, I find it difficult to justify a trip to Germany now.

Nonetheless, your report are inspiring me to give Germany a second look just for the SA experience.

A few questions about your Germany SA experience.

- Was your meeting with the girls in Frankfurt only or also in other German cities?

- How would you compare the German girls vs the non-German ones that you met there? If I read your report correctly, you had one Ukrainian, one German, and one Russian. I see a joke coming, LOL.

- What is the typical asking price from the SA girls there, assuming in Frankfurt?

[AmericanPi]

I see your point.

I also see we look at this very similarly. We just assign different probabilities and different weights to both positive and negative outcomes. Your assessment of risk potential is lower, with higher perceived upside (value of BB) and lower perceived downside (gunk junk).

Can't hate that. And can't deny you're prob having a magical journey along the way.

You asked an honest question and I am giving my honest opinion. This is my approach and I am not telling you that you have to accept my approach to do X or Z. Everyone has their own approach and reasoning.

To me, doing BB is a risk, and if it is a risk then there is a need for risk mitigation, and to me it is all about probabilities. Asking indirect questions allow me to establish the character of the girls and her behavior, and provides me more information to assess this risk. If one is not willing to take this risk, then use protection or better yet, not have sex at all. All the power to having safe sex. This whole discussion of BB is moot.

Also, regular testing is just the best way to take care of oneself if engaging often in such a hobby. Getting early treatment is always better than late or worse, no treatment at all.

[Ggekko2009]

I dunno.

Regular testing helps? How? It only tells you if you have something. But some of these things. Herpes, hpv, warts. They stick around forever. Getting a test to confirm only tells you what you'the know at that point. Do you already have these things so it's just a matter of avoiding the biggies like aids?

And indirect questions? (BTW "how many guys before me" is not indirect). Trust me if a girl is on SA she's not a coquettish struggling college girl no matter what she says. She is unambiguously selling sex for money, and you are one a line of people that no doubt includes other guys probing to guess their risk level.

To each his own. Really. But to me this would not be worth it. And I love love love me some SA. And escorts when the fancy strikes.

You asked an honest question and I am giving my honest opinion. This is my approach and I am not telling you that you have to accept my approach to do X or Z. Everyone has their own approach and reasoning.

To me, doing BB is a risk, and if it is a risk then there is a need for risk mitigation, and to me it is all about probabilities. Asking indirect questions allow me to establish the character of the girls and her behavior, and provides me more information to assess this risk. If one is not willing to take this risk, then use protection or better yet, not have sex at all. All the power to having safe sex. This whole discussion of BB is moot.

Also, regular testing is just the best way to take care of oneself if engaging often in such a hobby. Getting early treatment is always better than late or worse, no treatment at all.

[TedFerguson]

Hey guys,

Just finishing up a trip to Bogota. Main takeaways are the the girls here are good conversationalists but not lookers. Heavily edited photos. Food is better than MDE and people are more professional / authentic. I'm getting out of here because I can't stand this rain anymore: the.

For those of you who've been to Mexico, what's your take on CDMX vs Guadalajara vs Cancun? It seems like CDMX is the best starting point with most variety but maybe the girls are more flaky than GDL? The girls in Cancun have some impressive optics but the selection is poor and I'm guessing prices are high. Is there anyone who would take GDL over CDMX?

[AmericanPi]

I've had some pretty amazing experiences on SA too. I don't deny that most of these girls are not just escorts masquerading as sugar babies. All of the ones I've met have been true civilians. A factory worker. A student. A waitress. A stay at home girl helping her blind mom. An aspiring dancer. None of them escorts. All of them, well most of them, were great company.

As I've said before, most of them hate Mexican guys because they're boorish. No qualms from me there. I hear the same.

Who says that 20-25 year old women want to be banging 25 year old men? That is not what I have seen. The women I have talked to said that 25 year old men are insecure, have no money, want to get wasted or play video games, are controlling, lack social skills, and cum too quickly.

One reason I do not like American women is they are more about their friends and how hot / cute a guy is. They fuck a 25 year old for free, show the guy off to their friends, and then the women come to guys like me when they are broke. Latin women care about their families more than anything so if you help their family situation, they are nuts about you.

Keep in mind that so many of these women do not have a father figure in their life. They do not know what it is like to have a friendly and positive male role model in their life. This one girl was texting me asking me for help, and she was escort like in our first meet but she was hot so I gave her another chance. So we did a come to Jesus meeting. I told her my job as sugar daddy is fulfill her needs and to make her life better, and her job is to make me feel better with sex and companionship. It is not just money for sex.

Her #1 need was her mother who had horrible anxiety from sleep apnea. We did a test and treatment for her condition, and it was in Colombia which was much cheaper than the USA, and her mother who was having crippling monthly panic attacks now felt better than she had in decades.

Hell, after that, her mother was my #1 fan. "Do not lose this guy" she told her daughter. Of course, she fucked me bareback. Hell, she probably would have given me a kidney because her mother was all the family she had. Any 25 year old going to help a girl's family like that?

[AmericanPi]

This is a thoughtful response, so thank you for that.

I agree this is not the right place to be trading medical advice. But really what is? This is a community of people who like this hobby. It's the best I know. So thanks for indulging the conversation.

I am actually not scared by aids. Because it's pretty remote possibility in my actions.

Herpes and warts scare me. Because they're so easily transmissible, even when you don't see them, and they last forever. I don't want to be 60 and still paying the price for fun in my forties. It's not true that you need an active case to transmit.

If your read on the situation is right, you get to have your cake and eat it too. That's amazing. And you win.

But if you're wrong just one time.

Again to each his own. I meant this as a discussion not an indictment and I appreciate your sharing your thinking. We all need to compare notes like this. Just to have a range of opinions.

First. I'm surprised at your "they are all ho's" comment. Speaking from a position of considerable experience 80% of the girls I see are genuine, true to their profile, and not ho's in the common use of the term. They will def not just fuck anyone for money. And when it feels like fucking for money they will ghost you. Let's not rehash this discussion. You can think that but it won't make it true. The more time you spend with quality girls on SA I predict you will change your mind. If you are saying there are lots of fakes and posers I agree. I just don't date them.

On the STD one, as someone once said def not best forum for medical advice, but here is the way I see it. And my wife and I don't have sex so I don't have to worry that angle. Medically here is what I believe but do your own research:

1. The odds of a man catching HIV from unprotected vaginal sex are vanishingly small.

2. Syphilis, Gonorrhea, and several others are treatable.

3. Herpes def seems a worry but only transmitted during a visible outbreak.

4. A couple billion people have HSV2 so it's likely you already have it or going to get it.

As far as girls, yes I believe my girls are very low mileage. I'm not naive. My girls might be fucking a small handful of other guys during our time together but they are not like pros having tons of guys. Several of my girls have only had a handful of guys in their lifetime. And yes I believe this to be fact. Unfortunately sometimes their bedroom skills show it. LOL.

That said I was surprised to tally up six bareback girls so far this year. I was trying so hard to keep it just to my three regs. So I ordered an STD kit to checkup. Thanks for the wake-up call.