Sao Paulo Reports

[HiddenEye]

As I mentioned in previous post about Argentina, pandemics has changed the scene up side down, and unfortunate economic measures are ruining the currency adn people's sallaries.

I have great contacts among visual producers en Argentina as you can see, but I'll post that information in the Argentina zone of ISG, so we don't mess this great Sao Paulo posts, and we throtle that area that diserves a deeper view.

There are super hot argies.

Important to mention that guys on the pics are both visual producers.

Thanks for all interesting tibits on BA. As a recent frequent traveler to SP, Buenos Aires has intrigued me.

BA has many pluses for me. It is a short hop away, is a large cosmopolitan city (lots of good restaurants, high end hotels and presumably decent infrastructure) and Spanish speaking (My Spanish is way better than my Porto).

However, the ISG Argentina forums is a graveyard for recent info. The confusing / more complex exchange rate system (having to use Western Union or street black market for best rates) is an annoying obstacle.

There also doesn't seem to be places like Scandallo in BA. I prefer to see the girl in person and interact with her to see if we have chemistry and whether my service requests can be met by her. That is why I usually avoid online incall / outcalls escorts and usually only use brothels / clinicas as a backup option. At least in those, you can see how a girl really looks in person before deciding.

[Fewdie]

It doesn't matter. You can read what I wrote and reference it. Or you can read it and get insulted and butt hurt by it. That's your problem. I'm not going to baby feed you.

Some girls come to Scandallo are looking for that fast cash jackpot gringo treasure hunt. All girls there are just normal citizens like everyone else in Brazil. Many of them have online ad postings that are 500 or sub. There shouldn't be a problem for anyone with 500. Sao Paulo is more than just SCANDALLO! and Brazil is more than just SAO PAULO!

You can exchange your money at the airport for R4. 8 or whatever with the current rates and fees where they rip you off and make money off of you. Or you can do it at a Bradesco branch and get current market rate without fees.

Not sure which of your statement you feel "still holds true. "?

If you feel you can get ANY or MOST girls in Scandallo for R400-R500 due to a combination of:

1) That's what all the locals pay.

2) People who pay more than that are horrible negotiators.

3) People who pay more are paying a "Gringo" fee / price.

4) Porto skills leads to lower cost and if you can speak it, you shouldn't pay more than R400-R500.

5) Any more than R4-500 means "they probably don't like you".

Then you are IMHO either 1) trying to egg people on / put them down. E. g. , a "troll" 2) seeing half the picture and live in a philosophical bubble or 3) over exaggerating the situation for a variety of reasons, one of which is probably to feel superior to others.

I do believe some of the points 1 to 5 laid out above have a grain of truth to them.

1). Some locals do pay less than Gringos at Scandallo, but usually not, and many pay more. 95+% of the clients are local RICH Brazilian. THEY set the market price that the girls can command. Sao Paulo has the most millionaires in South America. You can see this concentration of wealth all over the club, from the clothes and shoes they wear to the bottles of JW Blue / Macallan 18 to 30 yr on the table.

If you think these guys, sporting expensive tailored clothing and drinking bottles costing 5,000 to R25,000, will tell a hot girl they want, that they will only pay her R4-500 for the hour. And not a real more, then you are welcome to your fantasy. These guys are used to instant gratification and have the means to get it.

I've spoken to countless Brazilian local clients at Scandallo and they usually fall into one of three types: 1) Just hanging / drinking with friends, but might get a girl's number for later / cheaper meeting outside the club 2) rather spend less on girls at a more "local" / less high end place, so just come to Scandallo to hang or look and 3) Professional guys who tell me they usually pay R600 to R1,500 for the hour and from R1,200 to R3,000 to go back to their hotel / home. Depending on how much he likes the girl. This last group makes up the majority, if not the super majority of the local guys that I spoke. To.

2). How you negotiate can obviously affect how much you pay. But not to your price point with any regularity.

3). There can definitely be a Gringo and sometimes Asian "tax" involved. One reason is language skills, as a lot of girls at Scandallo don't speak English, so those that can have a leg up and can charge more. There's also a perception among some girls that a lot of the Asians that visit are rich and more liberal with their spending, and it doesn't matter whether they are locals or visiting businessmen. Then there is the stereotype that they are more gentle and have smaller cocks so an easier lay.

4). As alluded to above, language skills definitely play part in the negotiation. A girl that can speak other languages can charge more. A girl that can only speak Porto might be more comfortable with a local guy so might charge them less, and charge more to the Non-Porto speaker, as it's more mentally draining to go with the latter. Sort of a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation!

5). Of course how much they like you affects the cost. If they like the way you look and have good chemistry together, it definitely can drive down the price.

With all of that said, do I think you can get a girl at Scandallo for R4-500 for the hour?

YES, but RARELY and usually under a unique set of circumstances. Throw enough darts on the board, and you will hit the bullseye eventually.

My friend and I have had some great deals at Scandallo, from the occasional R500 offer for the hour to R800-R1,000 to go back to hotel for 8 to 10 hours. All the way up to 24 hours for multiple day dates.

Those good deals usually occur because of a combination of:

1) The girl likes you a lot.

2) you are getting a repeat customer discount (some even offered free sessions, but we turned those down as we didn't want to blur the line.).

3) It's a slow time of day and they want to get a session in while business is dead.

4) they are inexperienced / new and don't known what the club market rate is.

5) Not the most attractive girl and can't command the going rate with regularity.

In summary, I believe the current "normal" rate one would expect to pay at Scandallo is R600 to R800 for the hour and R1,200 to R1,500 for an overnight. Of course that range can differ based on many factors from appearance, both yours and hers, chemistry together, day and time, the alignment of the stars, the moon and the sun, and everything mentioned earlier in this novel!

As always with this hobby and in life, YMMV. A Brad Pitt lookalike will get a different experience at Scandallo than a Harvey Weinstein clone.

[Tochka]

Thanks all you guys for the protip. I got in the wassap list to see daily lineup at Miruna, Prime, and EnjoySpa to schedule of garotas photos, and names. At Prime, the brunette did not return change twice. By the third session, I got the change back. She warmed up a bit. I started to tip small amounts to the cleaning ladies. They deal with the dirty mess after sloppy sessions. We got into humorous conversations about cleaning the rooms in a Clinica. That helped with better service from the brunette. She told me her name. I forgot to make a note of it. The clinicas have an interesting culture of hanging around until the Garota you want is available. Other posters mentioned the same.

That reminds me of GBP casa in DR. Hanging around shooting the shit with the staff. I found it worth the wait sometimes. Because every Garota I repeated with two or more sessions had one sexy thing in common. BBBJDT licking balls and swallowing. No spitting out. The first time it happened expected the Garota to spit out the cum into the towel. Nope, she downed it all, swallowing with a smile. Damn. Another Garota from 57 did cumplay before swallowing. The knees buckled watching a pretty Meghan Markel Garota play with cum before swallowing it all down. Not a drop was missed. And didn't ask for propina. I gave small tip anyways. Next on the bucket list, is a Duplo with cum snowballing by two garotas. They cuming by uber now.

[Nordico]

With all of that said, do I think you can get a girl at Scandallo for R4-500 for the hour?

YES, but RARELY and usually under a unique set of circumstances. Throw enough darts on the board, and you will hit the bullseye eventually.

Those are prices the locals pay at Casarao. I checked the last few pages on the local forum and most guys paid 350-500 for an hour there, with few exceptions who had paid 300. Scandallo is more expensive than Casarao.

[Nounce]

...It seems that if I decide to go, my main expectations should be to explore the city and eat at some nice restaurants, with hobbying playing second fiddle. Or am I wrong?.

I think for a 2-3 day side trip, the club called D'Lirio by the cemetery would work for you. I have sessioned in various places, from the very low end to higher price. I think on average the service is limited in P4 P. Even Colombia can't match Brazil service wise.

I have looked at SA and contacted some a few years back. It didn't work for me and probably because I didn't spend enough time on it. I only looked at new profiles. There are some activities but I felt it was limited.

My guess is most hotels are girl friendly because there is not much mongering going on. You can ask the hotel before booking. I only had two girls coming to my hotel, always after 10 PM, and they were never bothered except they were asked to present IDs sometimes. The girls that visited me also didn't dress provocatively like you would often see in Medellin.

The easier route is to have USDs and exchange to local currency in downtown Florida street. You can't miss it because they will approach you as you walk down the street. You can compare rate from multiple street vendors that approach you to get a fair rate in that area. It's not the best rate but it's good for a small amount if you don't want to keep too much local currency with you.

The city's infrastructure is old, a lot of things are broken. I like the food and steak here more than Brazil. Most restaurants are old school in old buildings. There are many speakeasy style bars that are interesting to me. These bars are similar to Bar dos Arcos in SP but with much older interior. Puerto Maduro area has newer and nicer restaurants that are similar to places like Seen or Skye in SP ambience wise.

I already have a flight booked to BA later. That is how much I like the city.

[The Cane]

NO! The Schwab card or any debit card, even high end accounts, like Chase Private Client / Citi Gold, does not reimburse "currency conversion" IF you accept the ATM's conversion.

ALWAYS decline the ATM's conversion option.

However, a few ATMs charge an ATM "fee" based on percentage of withdrawal amount. The one in the Grand Hyatt Sao Paulo charges like 12%. I also believe another one in GRU charges 10%. I think it's the one by baggage claim.

I've been charged ATM fees in those instances of 50-60 USD, as I took out about R2,500. These high fees were reimbursed by Schwab and my main checking account.

So for those ATMs, if you accept their currency conversion, you get fucked both ways. On the ATM fees and the currency conversion.

Damn SocratesNY! You dropping all kinds of good knowledge up in here today LOL!

[SocratesNY]

Oh interesting. I have the Schwab card and its great for the 20 R ATM fees, but I always assumed it wouldn't work for those percentage based charges. You've seen it reimburse currency conversion charges yourself?

NO! The Schwab card or any debit card, even high end accounts, like Chase Private Client / Citi Gold, does not reimburse "currency conversion" IF you accept the ATM's conversion.

ALWAYS decline the ATM's conversion option.

However, a few ATMs charge an ATM "fee" based on percentage of withdrawal amount. The one in the Grand Hyatt Sao Paulo charges like 12%. I also believe another one in GRU charges 10%. I think it's the one by baggage claim.

I've been charged ATM fees in those instances of 50-60 USD, as I took out about R2,500. These high fees were reimbursed by Schwab and my main checking account.

So for those ATMs, if you accept their currency conversion, you get fucked both ways. On the ATM fees and the currency conversion.

[SocratesNY]

Thanks for all interesting tibits on BA. As a recent frequent traveler to SP, Buenos Aires has intrigued me.

BA has many pluses for me. It is a short hop away, is a large cosmopolitan city (lots of good restaurants, high end hotels and presumably decent infrastructure) and Spanish speaking (My Spanish is way better than my Porto).

However, the ISG Argentina forums is a graveyard for recent info. The confusing / more complex exchange rate system (having to use Western Union or street black market for best rates) is an annoying obstacle.

There also doesn't seem to be places like Scandallo in BA. I prefer to see the girl in person and interact with her to see if we have chemistry and whether my service requests can be met by her. That is why I usually avoid online incall / outcalls escorts and usually only use brothels / clinicas as a backup option. At least in those, you can see how a girl really looks in person before deciding.

I also don't have the time or flexibility to go the SB / Seeking route. I am usually only in the city for a few days at a time so it's not the best ROI for my limited time.

I know this is the SP forum, but due to the recent discussion by knowledgeable BA mongers, I want to ask:

If I was looking to make a 2-3 day side trip to BA from SP.

1) Are there hobbying venues like Scandallo, strip clubs, etc. That you can meet and chat up a girl before taking her back to your hotel?

2) Is the average service level comparable to Brazil?

3) is Western Union the best way to get a good rate on ARS? I presume I shouldn't send more than I expect to use, as it'll be very difficult to impossible to switch back to USD.

4) Are the nice 5 star hotels in BA girl friendly?

5) Do the nice hotels and restaurants accept ARS or only USD due to their inflation? I figure if I use a credit card and pay in either ARS or USD, I would be getting the shitty "official" rate.

6) With all the extra logistical obstacles BA has compared to SP, is it even worth it to go for a short trip, especially when the cost of hobbying there seems comparable.

It seems that if I decide to go, my main expectations should be to explore the city and eat at some nice restaurants, with hobbying playing second fiddle. Or am I wrong?

Feel free to DM me if it's more appropriate.

[Hobbying]

Not sure which of your statement you feel "still holds true. "?

If you feel you can get ANY or MOST girls in Scandallo for R400-R500 due to a combination of:

1) That's what all the locals pay.

2) People who pay more than that are horrible negotiators.

3) People who pay more are paying a "Gringo" fee / price.

4) Porto skills leads to lower cost and if you can speak it, you shouldn't pay more than R400-R500.

5) Any more than R4-500 means "they probably don't like you".

Then you are IMHO either 1) trying to egg people on / put them down. E. g. , a "troll" 2) seeing half the picture and live in a philosophical bubble or 3) over exaggerating the situation for a variety of reasons, one of which is probably to feel superior to others.

I do believe some of the points 1 to 5 laid out above have a grain of truth to them.

1). Some locals do pay less than Gringos at Scandallo, but usually not, and many pay more. 95+% of the clients are local RICH Brazilian. THEY set the market price that the girls can command. Sao Paulo has the most millionaires in South America. You can see this concentration of wealth all over the club, from the clothes and shoes they wear to the bottles of JW Blue / Macallan 18 to 30 yr on the table.

If you think these guys, sporting expensive tailored clothing and drinking bottles costing 5,000 to R25,000, will tell a hot girl they want, that they will only pay her R4-500 for the hour. And not a real more, then you are welcome to your fantasy. These guys are used to instant gratification and have the means to get it.

I've spoken to countless Brazilian local clients at Scandallo and they usually fall into one of three types: 1) Just hanging / drinking with friends, but might get a girl's number for later / cheaper meeting outside the club 2) rather spend less on girls at a more "local" / less high end place, so just come to Scandallo to hang or look and 3) Professional guys who tell me they usually pay R600 to R1,500 for the hour and from R1,200 to R3,000 to go back to their hotel / home. Depending on how much he likes the girl. This last group makes up the majority, if not the super majority of the local guys that I spoke. To.

2). How you negotiate can obviously affect how much you pay. But not to your price point with any regularity.

3). There can definitely be a Gringo and sometimes Asian "tax" involved. One reason is language skills, as a lot of girls at Scandallo don't speak English, so those that can have a leg up and can charge more. There's also a perception among some girls that a lot of the Asians that visit are rich and more liberal with their spending, and it doesn't matter whether they are locals or visiting businessmen. Then there is the stereotype that they are more gentle and have smaller cocks so an easier lay.

Nice summary and YMMV is true! People pay what is comfortable for their budget / income. In the end, its sex in exchange for something of value, both client and girl have their own values. Some girls don't always want money, they'll take other gifts.

Having gone to Scandallo, Bomboa, and Photo for 10 years I have never gotten anything lower than 500 R for an hour regardless of the exchange rate. 500 R back then for a solid 9 will cost at least 700 R now taking into consideration inflation in Brasil has always been high. But 10 years ago the exchange was 2:1 and now its 5:1 so its all relative.

This is why I always say don't pay more than 700 for 1 hour or 1500 for overnight and people that think its too high then go somewhere else like clinicas or Connection.

[Steve 9696]

So good to see Socrates and TedF back here! Socrates you are spot on with your pricing editorial and especially the point about price insensitivity. Yes you can often work hard to get the price down, but frankly a lot of guys have the coin to not give two fucks. In the US I am regularly paying $400-500 an evening (on Seeking) so it's all about perspective. And great boots on the ground report. Kinda amazed the top shelf pricing experiment worked out but glad it did.

I've gotten to know Ted a bit from his first tentative Clinica steps some years ago to a seasoned multi-country expert. Bear in mind that his Scandallo take is flavored by his extensive dip in the sugar babies pool. I've been in the sugar babies pool for all of COVID and let me tell you Scandallo and German FKK never look quite the same after you have had some real multi-day GFE that goes beyond the bedroom and is deeply emotionally satisfying as well.

Don't get me wrong. I still go to Scandallo and the FKK and enjoy myself but never quite the same as the home town "girlfriend" who runs to you and smothers you in kisses and does the doe eyes BJ just the way you like it because she knows how U like it and (apparently) adores you as much as you do her.

[The Cane]

I have heard this more than once in Brazil. I suffered for two weeks last time I was there too. Paid more than USD 300 to see a doctor and ran a bunch of tests but did not show anything.

After my very first trip to Brazil, I got a really bad sore throat. Then, I picked up a tip from one of the guys, which was to gargle with Listerine. I started doing that regularly during any subsequent mongering trips I took to any part of the world, and I never got a sore throat again. I never leave home without my Listerine in my bags!

[The Cane]

As always with this hobby and in life, YMMV. A Brad Pitt lookalike will get a different experience at Scandallo than a Harvey Weinstein clone.

Now that was an essay worthy of "Socrates"! Hahahaha!

[The Cane]

After scanning your very long no-ending essay, my statement still holds true. I'm putting the price out there because its a factor for many here. You can believe the numbers or not believe. Your money and time. GFE is another factor that many people here (maybe except you) considers and paying higher most likely won't change any of that. I'm fluent in portuguese and have talked with a lot of the people there and around Brazil and can say what I said without a doubt. Have a good day.

I'm sorry that my "essay" was to long and hard for you to read. But had you indeed read it, then you would have known that nowhere did I deny that price is a factor for many here. That would be a silly assertion to make. Because the fact of the matter is that it's a factor for almost everybody here, including me. But the point is that everybody's price is different, and that you had ought to take into account where it is you're trying to buy, and how things work there. You have a good day too!

[SocratesNY]

After scanning your very long no-ending essay, my statement still holds true.

I'm putting the price out there because its a factor for many here. You can believe the numbers or not believe. Your money and time. GFE is another factor that many people here (maybe except you) considers and paying higher most likely won't change any of that. I'm fluent in portuguese and have talked with a lot of the people there and around Brazil and can say what I said without a doubt. Have a good day.

Not sure which of your statement you feel "still holds true. "?

If you feel you can get ANY or MOST girls in Scandallo for R400-R500 due to a combination of:

1) That's what all the locals pay.

2) People who pay more than that are horrible negotiators.

3) People who pay more are paying a "Gringo" fee / price.

4) Porto skills leads to lower cost and if you can speak it, you shouldn't pay more than R400-R500.

5) Any more than R4-500 means "they probably don't like you".

Then you are IMHO either 1) trying to egg people on / put them down. E. g. , a "troll" 2) seeing half the picture and live in a philosophical bubble or 3) over exaggerating the situation for a variety of reasons, one of which is probably to feel superior to others.

I do believe some of the points 1 to 5 laid out above have a grain of truth to them.

1). Some locals do pay less than Gringos at Scandallo, but usually not, and many pay more. 95+% of the clients are local RICH Brazilian. THEY set the market price that the girls can command. Sao Paulo has the most millionaires in South America. You can see this concentration of wealth all over the club, from the clothes and shoes they wear to the bottles of JW Blue / Macallan 18 to 30 yr on the table.

If you think these guys, sporting expensive tailored clothing and drinking bottles costing 5,000 to R25,000, will tell a hot girl they want, that they will only pay her R4-500 for the hour. And not a real more, then you are welcome to your fantasy. These guys are used to instant gratification and have the means to get it.

I've spoken to countless Brazilian local clients at Scandallo and they usually fall into one of three types: 1) Just hanging / drinking with friends, but might get a girl's number for later / cheaper meeting outside the club 2) rather spend less on girls at a more "local" / less high end place, so just come to Scandallo to hang or look and 3) Professional guys who tell me they usually pay R600 to R1,500 for the hour and from R1,200 to R3,000 to go back to their hotel / home. Depending on how much he likes the girl. This last group makes up the majority, if not the super majority of the local guys that I spoke. To.

2). How you negotiate can obviously affect how much you pay. But not to your price point with any regularity.

3). There can definitely be a Gringo and sometimes Asian "tax" involved. One reason is language skills, as a lot of girls at Scandallo don't speak English, so those that can have a leg up and can charge more. There's also a perception among some girls that a lot of the Asians that visit are rich and more liberal with their spending, and it doesn't matter whether they are locals or visiting businessmen. Then there is the stereotype that they are more gentle and have smaller cocks so an easier lay.

4). As alluded to above, language skills definitely play part in the negotiation. A girl that can speak other languages can charge more. A girl that can only speak Porto might be more comfortable with a local guy so might charge them less, and charge more to the Non-Porto speaker, as it's more mentally draining to go with the latter. Sort of a damned if you do and damned if you don't situation!

5). Of course how much they like you affects the cost. If they like the way you look and have good chemistry together, it definitely can drive down the price.

With all of that said, do I think you can get a girl at Scandallo for R4-500 for the hour?

YES, but RARELY and usually under a unique set of circumstances. Throw enough darts on the board, and you will hit the bullseye eventually.

My friend and I have had some great deals at Scandallo, from the occasional R500 offer for the hour to R800-R1,000 to go back to hotel for 8 to 10 hours. All the way up to 24 hours for multiple day dates.

Those good deals usually occur because of a combination of:

1) The girl likes you a lot.

2) you are getting a repeat customer discount (some even offered free sessions, but we turned those down as we didn't want to blur the line.).

3) It's a slow time of day and they want to get a session in while business is dead.

4) they are inexperienced / new and don't known what the club market rate is.

5) Not the most attractive girl and can't command the going rate with regularity.

In summary, I believe the current "normal" rate one would expect to pay at Scandallo is R600 to R800 for the hour and R1,200 to R1,500 for an overnight. Of course that range can differ based on many factors from appearance, both yours and hers, chemistry together, day and time, the alignment of the stars, the moon and the sun, and everything mentioned earlier in this novel!

As always with this hobby and in life, YMMV. A Brad Pitt lookalike will get a different experience at Scandallo than a Harvey Weinstein clone.

[Fewdie]

After scanning your very long no-ending essay, my statement still holds true.

I'm putting the price out there because its a factor for many here. You can believe the numbers or not believe. Your money and time. GFE is another factor that many people here (maybe except you) considers and paying higher most likely won't change any of that. I'm fluent in portuguese and have talked with a lot of the people there and around Brazil and can say what I said without a doubt. Have a good day.

Despite your claim, the exchange rate absolutely is a relevant consideration. That's the real world reality of the situation on the ground. And an offer of 500 reals is absolutely not competitive for a top hottie at a place like Scandallo given current exchange rates. When the rate was 2 to 1, 500 reals would get you a lower end 6, and 400 reals would get you laughed out of the place! So think about it. But the solution is simple. If you don't want to pay Scandallo prices, then just don't go to Scandallo versus coming here and scolding mongers who do choose to go there about what they pay Scandallo tutes. It's just that simple. Don't fight a losing battle against the system. Don't fight the man. Because nobody is really listening. The clinicas are you! Because you see, just like cars (Buicks, BMWs, and Bentleys), the value of all women is not the same for each and every one of them. You may not think it's worth it to pay that kind of money for that "expensive ride". But, plenty of other people do. And will. I used to say the same thing about air travel too. First Class / Business Class isn't worth it. I'm flying on the same damn plane going to the same damn place and paying so much less riding back here! Well, after I flew Business Class for the first time, there was no happily going back to Coach Class ever again! Now, I'm not one of these guys who thinks I'm getting more just because I'm paying more, especially when it comes to pussy. But, I do know how to recognize what represents value and worth to me. So, count me in at Scandallo! With current exchange rates always being taken into consideration! Hell, even if you're sticking to the clinicas or wherever you're going overseas you should do that! What is the value of your currency in the market where you want to purchase a good or service? That's the way the real world works. Not that all pussy is only worth 500 reals max, and that's it! There are other factors that must be taken into consideration, including the current exchange rate.