Bangkok Reports

[Axel Heyst]

I think you made a lot of fuss out of nothing. I think it's totally reasonable and to pay up front if she prefers that. There are scenarios where guys solicit services and then leave without paying. Even outside of Thailand, it is commonly industry standard that you pay beforehand.

What exactly are you wanting to achieve by paying after? Are you not going to pay her properly if you don't like the service?

She had to provide her ID to get in to thermae and she probably frequents it. It's not like she's going to grab your cash and then sprint away.

You did waste her time so I can see how she wouldn't be happy. You are too paranoid.

Hey WTF, I don't know where you have been mongering, but you are dead wrong on this. Paying a freelance working girl in advance is not the industry standard. No anywhere I like to go. Not in Thailand, Cambodia, Jakarta, Yangon, Singapore, MNL, RJ, or Sao Paulo. The only exceptions are when you are dealing with the house as in a soapy or oily massage parlor in BKK, a Macau Sauna, or a Sao Paulo Clinica. For every other situation that I can think of you should never pay in advance. Paying a freelance working girl in advance is a sure-fire way to significantly increase one's percentage of bad sessions. Why? Because paying in advance creates a moral hazard that some girls cannot resist. If you want to be hit with, "did you cum my darling, please cum" after 10 minutes of play, then pay in advance by all means. 555.

[Sky Ryder]

1st time posting here, although been a member for a while. Just wanted to share my experience regarding Thermae yesterday.

Picked the girl, petite girl around 1. 55-1. 6 m dressed in white, mid 20-ish. Went up to the room at the Ruamchitt upstairs and that's when the drama began. She demanded to be paid upfront, I rejected and said the norm was to pay after. Back and forth for a minute or so, I just said forget it I have already paid foe the room it but you can go back down.

She wanted to be teinbursed because she said I "wasted her time". Bear in mind, this was roughly about 2-3 minutes from when we met in the bar and we were both still fully clothed at this point.

I refused and she promptly went insane and lunged at me. Nasty scratches on my arm and bleeding. Suffice to say, I didn't lay a finger on her.

Not sure what I should have done. Call the police?

Freelancers I think, are just a lot more unpredictable than if you go to a gogo bar or massage parlor.

First of all the amount of restraint you showed is admirable and likely saved you a LOT of trouble. I would like to think I would have similar restraint if some lady started drawing blood, but honestly I hope I am never confronted with that situation. I cannot say I have never paid up front, but I will say that every time I have done so, I wished I hadn't. I get that some assholes just walk out without paying, but the other side of the coin is there a ladies that if they don't have an "incentive" don't hold up their end of the bargain as well. Most of the time if I still have a good vibe after she says pay in advance, I will offer to pay half before and the rest when we are done, or put the money in a visible place so she knows it is available. If the request just kills the mood, then I do exactly what you did and decline the service. The issue would be if she had to travel for a while to get to the location, which in your case she did not. I would certainly pay for her taxi back to the club or some reasonable fare, but that was something you did not have to deal with. I subscribe to the "we are the customers" theory, but understand it is a very personal transaction, so will allow some leeway. I don't like to be manipulated, so as soon as I get the feeling they are trying to leverage the situation in that manner I walk away. The good thing about BK is that you don't have to go far to find another opportunity. There is a LOT of the GPS feeling going around these days it seems, and fortunately I am not inclined to participate in enabling that issue. I treat the ladies with respect, right up to the moment they show they are not deserving of being treated like a lady.

[Goatscrot]

I think you made a lot of fuss out of nothing. I think it's totally reasonable and to pay up front if she prefers that. There are scenarios where guys solicit services and then leave without paying. Even outside of Thailand, it is commonly industry standard that you pay beforehand.

What exactly are you wanting to achieve by paying after? Are you not going to pay her properly if you don't like the service?

She had to provide her ID to get in to thermae and she probably frequents it. It's not like she's going to grab your cash and then sprint away.

You did waste her time so I can see how she wouldn't be happy. You are too paranoid.

A FL wanting to be paid up front is a bad sign. At least that's what I found in my two decades plus here. I've never and would never pay one up front. In addition, being in the room for 2 or 3 minutes is not a waste of her time and physically assaulting someone is never okay. I assume the poster in question was polite and simply wanted to call off the session and to make matters worse, Thermae is in the basement of the Ruamchit, so he's "wasted" maybe 10 minutes. Lest we forget gentleman, we are the customers, always be polite, respectful, and never try to push a girl's boundaries, but don't accept and for Pete's sake don't tip for bad service. Call off the session.

[R The Man]

Hey guys, looking forward to a week in BKK mid-April, this time with only minimal work demands and much more time for hobbying. Last time I pulled a couple of really good girls from TF, and it seems like there are several good possibilities this time, too. May try Tantan as well. I also pulled a good GG girl from Rainbows last time. Not as GFE as the TF girls, but will likely hit Nana again this trip. Happy to join up with any of you if you want. First beer is on me!

Wanted to ask about Fwifans. Weird that the site doesn't translate on Google translate. Do the girls also do outcall to your hotel for a higher fee? I don't like going to an Incall apt and much prefer my own room.

Anyway, thanks for the helpful field reports and will post mine afterwards.

[Lcale1982]

1st time posting here, although been a member for a while. Just wanted to share my experience regarding Thermae yesterday.

Picked the girl, petite girl around 1. 55-1. 6 m dressed in white, mid 20-ish. Went up to the room at the Ruamchitt upstairs and that's when the drama began. She demanded to be paid upfront, I rejected and said the norm was to pay after. Back and forth for a minute or so, I just said forget it I have already paid foe the room it but you can go back down.

She wanted to be teinbursed because she said I "wasted her time". Bear in mind, this was roughly about 2-3 minutes from when we met in the bar and we were both still fully clothed at this point.

I refused and she promptly went insane and lunged at me. Nasty scratches on my arm and bleeding. Suffice to say, I didn't lay a finger on her.

Not sure what I should have done. Call the police?

Freelancers I think, are just a lot more unpredictable than if you go to a gogo bar or massage parlor.

Yeah ID agree with the previous response you got. If she wants pay upfront just pay her first. Or if that's an issue you should discuss that before you take her with you. They probably had people that refused pay after the session so more cautious now. If you're in a hotel you're protected, can usually have ladies hand ID to front desk and not release it until you give go ahead. Not sure about Ruamchitt process tho, I had a close enough hotel we just walked back. I've had a few that ask to pay upfront in my hotel and but mostly in fiwfans, had no issues.

[Mua Tur]

I've been travelling to BKK for many years, but I still seem to find things that puzzle me. Perhaps someone can shed light on these latest mysteries:

1. The Izakaya restaurants in the Phrom Phong area (and likely other areas); is there any action in these? I see girls smiling at me as I peer in, but not much else. I assume they are oriented at Japanese patrons mostly, but would a white guy be welcome? Is there a chance of something more being offered?

There are many bars and massage places in your said area specially Soi 22. They cater only money not race. Just try on. Any one is approachable and convincible but not insistable or dectateble.

Happy hunting.

[TKOman]

I've been travelling to BKK for many years, but I still seem to find things that puzzle me. Perhaps someone can shed light on these latest mysteries:

1. The Izakaya restaurants in the Phrom Phong area (and likely other areas); is there any action in these? I see girls smiling at me as I peer in, but not much else. I assume they are oriented at Japanese patrons mostly, but would a white guy be welcome? Is there a chance of something more being offered?

2. Thai "herbal" supplements found in the condom / lube section of pharmacies. I got one from Handy Herb that translates to Black Galingale, and another that's just called Jiu Jenn Pushen Jiao Nang. The girls at the pharmacy blushed and couldn't provide a clear answer when I inquired, so I assume that they are boner pills? Libido enhancers?

TIA to anyone who can answer!

[ScoobyDoook]

I was able to book without knowing any thai if that's what you're asking. Most didn't speak much english, one was pretty good out of the 5 or so I saw.

I have also used Google Translate on my phone to translate the content on fiwfans and then used it to write to the girls in Thai using Line and to read their replies. I tell them I am a foreigner and ask them to use simple Thai words. The messages often go to a receptionist rather than the girl herself. It has worked ok and all the ones I have approached have been ok with a non-Thai speaking foreigner and cash although there are a few who say no foreigner on their fiwfans profile so I just avoid them.

The biggest issue has been the Thai sex slang used on fiwfans profiles which Google can't make sense of. But with some effort I think I understand a lot of it now. The other issue is that many girls are located in inconvenient areas so you need to filter on location to find usable profiles.

One of the girls I saw spoke good English, but most speak little and I have sometimes used the voice version of the Google translate app to talk to them to make sure we are on the same page.

I have found fiwfans quite good. The height and weight stats are a good indication of what you will get The photos are filtered by the apps that are used to make the girls skin whiter and to adjust them to look like the apps version of ideal, like the pictures you see on many adverts. The reviews are useful but I assume they write a few of them themselves, or get their friends to, so I tend to read several reviews and look how long they have been getting good reviews and I don't take any individual positive reviews too seriously.

[WhatTheFack]

General questions:

- how far would it be expected that a typical freelancer or barfined gogo girl be willing to go in a taxi, to someone's room? Is 30 minutes reasonable and when done, you pay her return taxi fare on top?

- awkward question but if in a 69 position getting BBBJ, what exactly is the protocol when the guy is ready to pop and nothing has been negotiated beforehand? I was previously in this position with a freelancer and I wonder what would have happened if I just kept going, as I instead stopped the action and finished on the girl's leg. She didn't look too thrilled, but I'm not sure what is a more graceful method or place to finish.

I notice most girls on fiwfans charge 400 baht for CIM so would the freelancer have applied an additional fee afterwards?

I don't personally care for CIM, but I'm just curious as to what would have happened.

[WhatTheFack]

If I do not speak Thai, how can I find girls who speak English and how can I connect with them?

When you message the girl on line, you'll either be talking to an agency who facilitates the meeting or the girl herself.

If they reply in English, you can assume they are happy to deal with English speaking foreigners. If they ignore you, they probably can't be bothered dealing with a foreigner, which is fair enough. You can try with a different girl.

You tell them when you want to book and for how long, and they'll give you instructions to go to a hotel and a particular room number.

[WhatTheFack]

1st time posting here, although been a member for a while. Just wanted to share my experience regarding Thermae yesterday.

Picked the girl, petite girl around 1. 55-1. 6 m dressed in white, mid 20-ish. Went up to the room at the Ruamchitt upstairs and that's when the drama began. She demanded to be paid upfront, I rejected and said the norm was to pay after. Back and forth for a minute or so, I just said forget it I have already paid foe the room it but you can go back down.

She wanted to be teinbursed because she said I "wasted her time". Bear in mind, this was roughly about 2-3 minutes from when we met in the bar and we were both still fully clothed at this point.

I refused and she promptly went insane and lunged at me. Nasty scratches on my arm and bleeding. Suffice to say, I didn't lay a finger on her.

Not sure what I should have done. Call the police?

Freelancers I think, are just a lot more unpredictable than if you go to a gogo bar or massage parlor.

I think you made a lot of fuss out of nothing. I think it's totally reasonable and to pay up front if she prefers that. There are scenarios where guys solicit services and then leave without paying. Even outside of Thailand, it is commonly industry standard that you pay beforehand.

What exactly are you wanting to achieve by paying after? Are you not going to pay her properly if you don't like the service?

She had to provide her ID to get in to thermae and she probably frequents it. It's not like she's going to grab your cash and then sprint away.

You did waste her time so I can see how she wouldn't be happy. You are too paranoid.

[Lcale1982]

If I do not speak Thai, how can I find girls who speak English and how can I connect with them?

Thank you for the great report! When I come in September, if you are still here, may be ha can get a cap of coffee together?

__Y.

I was able to book without knowing any thai if that's what you're asking. Most didn't speak much english, one was pretty good out of the 5 or so I saw.

[Yuri B]

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As for fiwfans, it isn't perfect but at it's the best out there right now (imo). There could be fake reviews but they won't be able to hide bad reviews, so take bad reviews with a high degree of consideration.

If I do not speak Thai, how can I find girls who speak English and how can I connect with them?

Thank you for the great report! When I come in September, if you are still here, may be ha can get a cap of coffee together?

__Y.

[WhatTheFack]

I've found that 1 lady drink (rarely 2) is a good way to decide how my personality matches with a go go girl's personality. How does she smile at me? How does she move? How does her touch feel? Does she snuggle close to me with arms and legs around me or does she just sit next to me? For me, several lady drinks would be a waste of time and money. But 1 drink for me and one for her is about 400 baht well spent.

How do you learn those things with FIWFANS? I sometimes can't tell if a review is from an impartial poster or from a shill. It is even more difficult to determine if she will react the same to me as she reacted to the reviewer.

That's a legit approach and sounds good.

Maybe I've just read too many reports lately of people paying 2000 baht for drinks and then not even barfining.

As for fiwfans, it isn't perfect but at it's the best out there right now (imo). There could be fake reviews but they won't be able to hide bad reviews, so take bad reviews with a high degree of consideration.

Also the thai guys seem to treat it like a sport in the way they post their reviews with pics in the telegram channels. I don't particularly see why they would falsify their reviews to each other.

Further to your point about whether a girl will respond differently to you rather than another reviewer? Could be a consideration but if a girl has 8 pages of good reviews, that's a decent amount of data.

That said, some profiles do say no black or Indians, and very occasionally it says no foreigners, so it could depend on who you are. Same thing applies with girls off the street though, of which you have zero data to go off.

[HorseTrader]

….I have similar views to trip reports where people say they get a HJ inside a gogo and end up paying more money in lady drinks than you'd pay for 40 minutes of real FS in a hotel. Why people would want that. I have no idea.

Anyway, that's my rant.

Good thing about fiwfans as well is you have reviews as well as photo reviews, so you can develop a way more educated opinion before committing to something.

I've found that 1 lady drink (rarely 2) is a good way to decide how my personality matches with a go go girl's personality. How does she smile at me? How does she move? How does her touch feel? Does she snuggle close to me with arms and legs around me or does she just sit next to me? For me, several lady drinks would be a waste of time and money. But 1 drink for me and one for her is about 400 baht well spent.

How do you learn those things with FIWFANS? I sometimes can't tell if a review is from an impartial poster or from a shill. It is even more difficult to determine if she will react the same to me as she reacted to the reviewer.