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03-17-23 13:21 #27968Senior Member

Posts: 6420My relationships with non-pro girlfriends ended for the same reasons.
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03-17-23 06:17 #27967Senior Member

Posts: 18164Yes. And many a monger have fallen for this even after the hour or two is over. Brooklyn's Finest is the movie that portrays this best. New York cop (played by who else but Richard Gere) had been seeing a hooker for many years. He falls madly in love with her. He decides to retire and at this moment he asks her to marry him and move away. She gives him a wake up call and says mf I am a hooker, not your damn girlfriend. Show up without money if you don't mind really seeing how much love you are able to "buy. ".
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03-17-23 02:44 #27966Senior Member

Posts: 2682Clearly, warming the beds of influential people can be seen as prostitution, but-
If Eva was a prostitute, then so was every successful US female actor, singer of dancer during the pre-MeToo era.
Originally Posted by Turgid
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03-17-23 01:16 #27965Senior Member

Posts: 1341Yes SS, it is indeed curious. There are some WG's who possess a great many admirable qualities. Among them might be a keen sense of survival. I am sure that none of these girls wakes up at the dawn of puberty and says, "Hey, I think I'll be a hooker when I grow up". Have we not all encountered ladies in this trade who have escaped worse fates because they have been able to survive using their "God given" talents. After all, they are actresses to one degree or another. To quote a Russian friend of mine, "these hookers in Moscow do not sell sex; they sell love". I think what he was trying to convey was the idea that in order to be successful and to command top dollar (ruble / Real / Peso) they need to be able to make a connection of some sort and to draw you into a role, whether real or imagined if only for an hour or two.
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03-16-23 17:00 #27964Senior Member

Posts: 314Empress Theodora
The superlative of this example is Empress Theodora, wife of Justinian the Great, of Constantinople, who, was despised by the contemporary historian Procopius of Caesarea.
Originally Posted by Turgid
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Theodora, as soon as she arrived at the age of youth, and was now ready for the world, her mother put her on the stage. Forthwith, she became a courtesan, and such as the ancient Greeks used to call a common one, at that: for she was not a flute or harp player, nor was she even trained to dance, but only gave her youth to anyone she met, in utter abandonment. Her general favors included, of course, the actors in the theater; and in their productions she took part in the low comedy scenes. For she was very funny and a good mimic, and immediately became popular in this art. There was no shame in the girl, and no one ever saw her dismayed: no role was too scandalous for her to accept without a blush.
She was the kind of comedienne who delights the audience by letting herself be cuffed and slapped on the cheeks, and makes them guffaw by raising her skirts to reveal to the spectators those feminine secrets here and there which custom veils from the eyes of the opposite sex. With pretended laziness she mocked her lovers, and coquettishly adopting ever new ways of embracing, was able to keep in a constant turmoil the hearts of the sophisticated. And she did not wait to be asked by anyone she met, but on the contrary, with inviting jests and a comic flaunting of her skirts herself tempted all men who passed by, especially those who were adolescent.
On the field of pleasure she was never defeated. Often she would go picnicking with ten young men or more, in the flower of their strength and virility, and dallied with them all, the whole night through. When they wearied of the sport, she would approach their servants, perhaps thirty in number, and fight a duel with each of these; and even thus found no allayment of her craving. Once, visiting the house of an illustrious gentleman, they say she mounted the projecting corner of her dining couch, pulled up the front of her dress, without a blush, and thus carelessly showed her wantonness. And though she flung wide three gates to the ambassadors of Cupid, she lamented that nature had not similarly unlocked the straits of her bosom, that she might there have contrived a further welcome to his emissaries.
Frequently, she conceived, but as she employed every artifice immediately, a miscarriage was straightway effected. Often, even in the theater, in the sight of all the people, she removed her costume and stood nude in their midst, except for a girdle about the groin: not that she was abashed at revealing that, too, to the audience, but because there was a law against appearing altogether naked on the stage, without at least this much of a fig-leaf. Covered thus with a ribbon, she would sink down to the stage floor and recline on her back. Slaves to whom the duty was entrusted would then scatter grains of barley from above into the calyx of this passion flower, whence geese, trained for the purpose, would next pick the grains one by one with their bills and eat. When she rose, it was not with a blush, but she seemed rather to glory in the performance. For she was not only impudent herself, but endeavored to make everybody else as audacious. Often when she was alone with other actors, she would undress in their midst and arch her back provocatively, advertising like a peacock both to those who had experience of her and to those who had not yet had that privilege her trained suppleness.
Ref: https://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/proc/shp/shp12.htm.
Emperor Justinian fell madly in love with her and married her. Not without attracting the ire of noblemen like Procopius. But he was the emperor. And it appears that Theodora was quite loyal to him, so much so that they together dealt with a massive uprising and even the plague which befell Justinian incapacitating him to the brink of death for a good amount of time, when Theodora was holding on to the court affairs and keeping those at bay who would have seized the opportunity to a coup d'etat. And she did not betray Justinian herself either.
Curious, isn't it?
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03-16-23 16:17 #27963Senior Member

Posts: 1207Yeah, the Peron's accomplished wonders for Argentina. The country has never been the same since.
Originally Posted by Turgid
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Why? There are many reasons why certain men enter emotional relationships with their hookers. The main reason is loneliness combined with a certain degree of romanticism. In addition, it is really easy to start things up with a sexy, friendly working girl because initially there is no fear of rejection in asking a hooker out while some guys can't get past their fear of rejection to ask even a friendly little brown skinned 7/11 clerk out for a coffee. Then once they begin seeing a real nice hooker on a regular basis, and the sex is very good, they make the fundamental mistake of convincing themselves that what they are feeling for the girl and what she is feeling towards them is real and lasting. 555/ KKK. That the GFE relationship they are having is real and not monetarily driven and most importantly that their girl is different from all the others which allows these men to put on their white knight costume thinking they can "save" the girl and she will be eternally grateful. It is all BS, but these men believe it. This phenomenon is what I was referring to in my stray cat analogy from an earlier post.
Originally Posted by MrEnternational
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Personally, I have had some long-lasting relationships with a few of my hooker friends. But I have never lost my head and believed I was in anything but a very friendly, sexually satisfying, financially driven relationship. I never sent money or rented an apartment for my girls to live in when I was not in town. I never invested in the family business. 555/ KKK. My long-term relationships usually ended for 2 reasons: 1) the sex ran its course and began to go downhill so I began to lose interest or 2) the girl became a little batty in her head for example asking me to marry her. It has been my experience that once a hooker friend asks for a marriage contract our relationship goes south fast and it is definitely past the time to end things.
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03-16-23 14:52 #27962Senior Member

Posts: 6420Dating Prostitutes
There is no universal rule of nature that a man cannot have a successful relationship, even marriage, with a prostitute. There are many such. One of the most famous was Juan Peron's marriage to Maria Eva Duarte. Yes, the woman who became the First Lady of Argentina was a prostitute before she met Colonel Juan Peron on 22 January 1944 during a charity event. The rest is history. As Samantha Fox sang "Naughty Girls Need Love Too".
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03-16-23 02:38 #27961Senior Member

Posts: 18164Like the old adage, "Guys come to Thailand to fuck normal chicks and date hookers." Why is it that you guys can not date normal chicks and have to fall for hookers? How do you even get your wires crossed like that?
Originally Posted by AxelHeyst
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03-16-23 01:20 #27960Senior Member

Posts: 271Preach On
Well written, so many profound statements, good advice given, and sentiments shared. It's easy sometimes when everything clicks to fall in emotionally or to allow yourself to be a little vulnerable, just be realistic in your expectations and do periodic sanity checks.
Originally Posted by AxelHeyst
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03-16-23 01:04 #27959Senior Member

Posts: 35Treasure
Thank you so much for this treasure trove of information!! I looked up both Isis and Nadja, but both seem unavailable at this time. I will keep trying though. Will be sure to report back if I am lucky (or not).
Originally Posted by StinkySquid
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03-15-23 21:55 #27958Senior Member

Posts: 314Thanks for your kind reflection
Yes, all good points. Thanks.
Originally Posted by AxelHeyst
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03-15-23 21:45 #27957Senior Member

Posts: 314Don't eat ze bugs
I suppose you meant it did not help? I think it was acyclovir he gave you.
Originally Posted by ChicaChaser
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I had something in Pattaya which was a tingling sensation. And the herpes idea came up. A test was taken, but I immediately proceeded to buy myself valacyclovir, and took it as a post-exposure prophylaxis. It probably was nothing, but better full blast on it than be sorry afterwards, because I too will prefer syphilis over HSV, HPV, and gonorrhea, syphilis is easy to treat with good old penicillin, no resistance. Syphilis was the big deal before the penicillin era, with long term progressive paralysis, etc.
Once I had an anal penetration with an at risk provider, this was sort of by accident, and not much. But after a day of worrying, I got myself the tri-valent post exposure prophylaxis and took that for a month. I'm not going to let anything burn.
I will say that I might be "sensitive" but I have had several minor infections from BBBJ. In fact, my very first time in Brazil, I had Larissa from Agencia StarCris (oh man, how I miss the agencias in Rio!) and she sucked me off. Then soon thereafter I began having some symptoms I couldn't really pinpoint. This was giving me some problems when I was with my fatal girlfriend. Back home in America after a week or two I went to a Urologist and he found a prostatitis. I didn't connect the dots at first, but I doubt it was just coincidence. I had it several times after major BBBJ events (not the quick and lame ones, but the more involved ones.) Burning sensation, fever (up to a week, despite antibiotics), tenderness in the little dude and the base. What is going on here is that it doesn't have to be a dedicated famous STD, it can just be chlamydia, rickettsia, or other bugs from the mouth.
Since I use my povidone iodine, I nib every onset of strangeness right in the butt. I use this always and since then have not gotten anything. BTW, since I like to kiss them when they are slobbery, there is the risk of getting a tonsillitis too. Been there, done that. The trick here is Lysterine (or the like) mouthwash, gargle, every few hours.
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03-15-23 21:24 #27956Senior Member

Posts: 314The new in the business can be the best
Yes, she did quit. That's what she told you. This is quite a good sign of her. You should have probably connected and taken her out. This is why I am so responsive to give them a hand if I see she is new and she is sweet. In my case my sweet princess did NOT renounce the job, and that drove me crazy. Then I think she got spoiled, damaged, probably by her friend, or picked up by someone else (but still working). I am going to quit messaging but I will show up on Monday in person. I should have insisted harder immediately when we still had this wave of good feelings in each other. I allowed her to slip away. I did that because I was riding the high horse, thinking how I would juggle this, and not wanting to look desperate. But it's not about desperation, it is about urgency. She was so sweet and responsive. And then she slipped away because it got to complicated. I think there is something about the business that really messes up the minds of these chicks. After a few days they turn sour.
Originally Posted by ChicaChaser
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Like my gangster murdering chick in Bogota. I met her on her first or second day on the job. She was so weird, timid, but sweet, and wanted me to take her with me. I just didn't do it because she had just told me that the gangsters of Bogota are after her because she killed one of theirs. And I really didn't want to get into the mix of that. I literally watched my back when I walked back to my hotel (Chapinero). Few days later the girl who she shared the apartment contacted me offering her services to me. I went, thank you, not my type, but do you have her contact? Yes she does, but would only sell it to me. I said no need to sell, just pass my number to her. No go. And besides she was such a liar. Messed up.
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03-15-23 01:51 #27955Regular Member

Posts: 16A couple of years ago I was all set to hit a casa when I noticed two red spots on the head of my little friend. I was in Colombia and paid cash to see a general practitioner. He figured it was herpes and was quite casual in saying it. Apparently a high percentage of the population has it. He prescribed a cream and some pills and off I went.
Originally Posted by StinkySquid
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Weeks passed and things weren't improving so he sent me to a lab with a laundry list of the usual suspects to check for. Results showed it was syphilis. Yikes! At that moment I felt like a death sentence had been handed to me. Turns out though that, if given a choice between catching herpes and syphilis, choose syphilis. The first is a virus and can't be cured, only managed; the second is a bacteria and can be eradicated. If you don't catch it early it can have very dire consequences, and you can always get it again, but it's not the end of your world when detected early on.
That whole experience taught me to not go running to a doctor, who may or may not be very competent, at the first sign of a possible STD. In Colombia, and no doubt elsewhere, one can just go to a lab and order the tests without a doctor's say so. All totaled it's less than a hundred bucks at the cheaper clinics. Then, once you know what you've got, you can go to a pharmacy to buy the treatment. Chances are you won't need to waste money and time with a doctor. Do what you want though.
That doctor, who certainly seemed nice, wasted my money prescribing for herpes and wasted weeks of tedious bandage and cream treatment. He should have sent me to a lab right away and then prescribed.
Two final things:
At the time I caught syphilis I'd likely been with nearly 500 different women since 2005 - the year I started Pay 2 Play hobbying. It took sixteen years for me to catch anything. And I LOVE BBBJs. So it seems to me that the risk of STD transmission is overstated. Or I was lucky. Who knows.
Lastly, if you too get dots on your friend, fear not. Despite it going through a hideous looking phase wherein there's depth to the wound, somehow, miraculously, it'll heal and look normal after a month or two. For me it was closer to four months of involuntary celibacy due to the above mentioned misdiagnosis. I was in my first year of retirement then though so, thankfully, it didn't cost me precious vacation time.
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03-15-23 01:14 #27954Regular Member

Posts: 16I'm reminded of an experience I had a while ago in Medellin. I took a girl for an hour and it was so off-the-scale fantastic I extended to two, and then to three. She ticked every box especially with her earnest and open personality. Three days in the business she had recently been dumped by her novio. Next day I figured I'd play it cool; not wanting to see her the day after so that she didn't know she had me hooked. Instead I messaged her and asked if she was working the next day. Her reply was short but with a word I didn't exactly recognize. She replied, "Renuncie a mi trabajo," Renuncie? Renounce? Renounced? What! Say it isn't so! It was. That whole day and the next I was in a deep funk. It's like you discover the best drug ever and as quick as you discover it it's yanked away. Sigh.
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