Sao Paulo Reports

[Jet69]

Five months in South America. November '22 thru March '23.

These are simply my experiences and viewpoints. Your or others experiences may be completely different.

Background so it puts things in perspective. Well traveled and well experienced in our sport. Wrong side of 60, I do not speak conversational Spanish and speak almost no Portuguese. I stay in Airbnb's that allow guests. I have been traveling to Colombia for (guessing) 10 years. I have made 3 extended trips to Brazil in the past year. Spent 2 two months in Medellin, then flew to Sao Paulo for 2 months, then back to Medellin for 3 weeks. I prefer to spend time with my dates rather than the 1 hour quick appointments. I don't disregard the quick smash altogether, but longer encounters are my preference.

Medellin: Yes, it's changed dramatically over the past 10 years with the influx of tourist and like minded hobbyist. I see the criticisms of Medellin and certainly agree with many. Medellin now takes a bit more effort than it did in years prior, but should hardly be passed over as a destination. The first time visitor may initially be disappointed with the immediate availability of talent. However, with effort on Facebook, there is a treasure trove of young talented woman. There are still many point and shoot options in Medellin, but not nearly as many as before. Not looking for any arguments, but in my opinion, Medellin is the place to go if you are searching for the more part-time 18-25 year old talent.

My current Facebook ({which is dedicated to Medellin only) has me at 3700 "friends". I have accumulated those over the past 10 years. I have around 5 male friends and the rest are. Talent. I have no idea how many of those are still active. But my point is, amass a friends list and the talent you will be rewarded with will be outstanding. No, I won't share my Facebook with anyone.

Medellin is also, in my opinion, much less expensive than Sao Paulo. I have not experienced enough of Rio yet to give a complete comparison point of view. Rio was initially off my list, but after a brief visit in February, I will return!

I spent most of my time with a 21 year old over the months I was in Medellin. Met her on Facebook of course. Had no other gringo "friends" on Facebook. For those that like the big butts, big boobs, she would not be your type. Other than having the typical Colombian look, I would describe her as having more of an Asian (Thai) body. The girl loves to give head. We'll be out in a restaurant or mall and she'll say in English, I want to suck you. Oh, and yes, she is attractive in my opinion. Very attractive. For comparison, I spent a lot of time in Sao Paulo. I have spent many nights in the top clubs. She would easily be in the top 10% of the talent pool at Scandallo.

Bottom line, if you are not getting the performance you want in Colombia, you are not putting in the effort. You will not get the GFE / PSE performance of the hard core workers, but the hidden talent is amazing. I suspect with some effort and after a few trips you too will have a talent pool worth returning to over and over.

Sao Paulo: I was there in January and February. Met some decent like minded travelers but didn't get to hang out with them much.

I have a lot to say about Sao Paulo but will keep it brief. I again prefer the longer "dates".

First, Sao Paulo (SP from now on) is much more expensive than Medellin.

The talent pool in SP is wide a varied, however in MY experience the talent is both thicker in body type and mostly 25 and older. YES, there are younger and thinner gals, but overall that's my viewpoint. In fact the woman on twitter often post work out routines and they include squatting. They tend to want the thicker upper legs and thicker butts.

Daytime talent. SP has Medellin beat hands down on daytime places to visit. However, walking into these places does not guarantee you finding a gal of your taste. SP is a big city and with that there many guys in these places. Often the roster will have 10-15 girls working, with only a few available at any given moment. Daytime places can be inexpensive, but you will need to hunt. Someone mentioned Club 57 recently. In my opinion the girls were average at best. Never saw that girl I had to have. Was always approached by the aggressive ones. Hard to get rid of at times. Never sessioned there but hung out some nights just to have an early evening beer. Beers were about $6.00 USA.

Night time clubs generally get going around midnight.

Scandallo opens much earlier and is less expensive to enter early. I have read the reports of amazing talent at Scandallo. Initially that first moment is WOW. That will wear off after a dozen visits. The number of girls on site at peak time is in the 100's. But there will usually be as many men on site. I have seen fat, ugly and fat and ugly woman walking around. Not all are goddesses. With that said, you should find your type. After dozens of visits it got old for me. As others have said you go for the "experience". Can't agree more.

Casarao It's actually, what I was told, was the first night club of it's type in SP. I visited often because of it's low entrance fee. Through out the night the ratio of men to woman would vary. The girls will dress a bit more conservative (less formal). I suspect those guys that visit the place on a two week or less time span will see what they like. I however totally disagree with the ratio of men to woman. Frequently I saw the ratio of men to woman greater than 3-1, men to woman. I went on a Saturday night and at 1 am the place was packed with easily 5-1 men to woman. Granted, there are guys that just come in groups to have a beer and clog up the place, but they are still occupying the girls with small talk.

I hit several other clubs, all of which have been mentioned over and over. Prices are negotiable in the night time clubs.

I found my two favorites and paid them $200 USA For the night. Spent many days / nights with both. I used to like "the hunt". Now I prefer dinner, drinks, Netflix and that morning shag.

There are some "locals" clubs in the seedy areas of the city. I don't have names or addresses at hand, but if you have a wingman who speaks Porto, worth exploring. Just Uber to the front door and Uber out the front door. One club not mentioned much anymore is Connections. It's a long ass Uber ride at night so I never went. Next trip I will get a hotel close by and spend the night in the area. Heard it's owned by same person as Scandallo, so may have some hidden talent from the local area.

Did a side trip to Iguazo Falls. Spent three nights to do the tourist thing. I didn't think there would be any decent talent in the local clubs and waited until the last night to visit Crystals Club. There are 2 other clubs in the smaller city per an Uber driver. I arrived at Crystals around 9 if my memory serves me. 20-25 woman and 2 or 3 guys. Got approached by of course the less attractive gals but damn, there were 2 or 3 hot gals in the club. I was smitten and I had just spent tow months in Medellin and a month in SP. I was in the mood to do some drinking and partying so ended up doing just that with a few of the talent. Never got around to sampling anything. One girl topped anything in Scandallo. She made her availability known to me on several close encounter walk-bys, but I was usually engaged with another. Two or 3 spoke English. They have an amazing outside area with a pool to take your prospect out to and drink / negotiate. On Saturday's they have "pool" day where the girls apparently are in swimwear.

I strongly considered flying back for a few days but never did. The ratio of men / woman never got over 2 woman for every 1 guy. Much better than anything in SP. I certainly could have gotten lucky on my one visit to the place with the talent being outstanding. So if you happen to go, it was just the one visit.

Rio. I only spent two nights there right after the Carnival ended. It was peaceful and a fantastic change from the big urban cement city of SP. I will return to explore. I actually took my favorite gal from SP to Rio. Wanted a (pretty) wingman to do the tourist stuff. Paid her $100 USA Per day plus food / drinks / tourist crap of course. Worth every cent. She is considered thin in Brazil, model type body. Tall and without curves. Long legged like I like. Her body type is far and few in SP.

Bottom line. My opinion. For shorter trips and with some effort Medellin is still the go to place. SP is that much more time to get to and much more expensive. I saw guys throwing some serious cash around in Medellin and they certainly had the talent paying attention. My gut feeling is Rio has a lot more to do during the day when you are not chasing tail. Darker skinned gals are more available. Was having my morning coffee at Starbucks and an obvious working girl was observed leaving an apartment next door. A drop dead 10. Dark skinned, model thin, gorgeous. OMG hot. Rio is high on my next trip.

I am open to private messages. I don't often check the website so forgive me if I don't answer quickly.

Please, I'm not looking for arguments. It's about each of our experiences. You may be Bratt Pitt in appearance with a boat-load of cash. I care for myself but can't reverse the aging process. I have enough disposable cash to enjoy almost any of the talent in any of the places.

Excuse any typos or grammatical errors please.

[WyattEarp]

My plan is to mostly go to clubs but given I am avoiding alcohol and don't have anyone else to go to clubs with.

I am staying for a month in an Airbnb so looking for overnights as well.

Is it safe to do it at Airbnbs?

Going to the clubs by yourself can be a great experience. Many are forced out of their comfort zone. You focus your attention on interacting with the girls and watching the scene.

Now that's not to say, it isn't fun to hang with other guys at a boate (club). However, with my crew that tends to break down as soon as we start heading to the rooms. As the evening progresses we're totally engrossed in the women and scouting out more. One time my buddy said, it's our last night. Let's have a nice dinner, relax and hang before we pursue women. That plan went to shit when the first hottie came over and started flirting with one of our crew.

As far as safety of an Airbnb, I would say you should focus on booking a place that has a reception desk in the building. Nobody goes in without being invited by a resident. That's very common in Sao Paulo. When you're in your place with the girl, you have to exercise common sense as you would anywhere in the world. Don't leave valuables out, etc.

[KcDark]

Thank you for your reply!

I am really excited for my visit in May.

My plan is to mostly go to clubs but given I am avoiding alcohol and don't have anyone else to go to clubs with.

What are the other options?

Does site like https://www.barravipsrio.com/index.p...s-sao-paulo-sp.

Have a lot of bait and switch? Whats the going price there?

I am staying for a month in an Airbnb so looking for overnights as well.

Is it safe to do it at Airbnbs?

I am possibly going back in May too and the weather should be perfect for me coming from the NorthEast of the USA.

When I went to Scandallo, I didn't have any alcohol and met my minimum spend. If you are not much of a drinker nor want to eat, you can use your spend on buying a lady, who you really want to vet, a drink and it won't impact your overall spending. If you want to find the premium women who are on some of those websites that won't be a bait and switch, I'd go to one of the clubs that many have mentioned here and start a conversation to see if they meet what you want.

You can also do a ton of research, but that is also a gamble. Personally, I learned that Paulistas overall move at a slower pace. I started a conversation to meet with a lady at 11:00 am to meet and we didn't connect until 4 pm. In the USA If I start a convo with an indy, more than likely, I am meeting within 1-2 hours. So factor in the amount of time you are willing to invest in booking an indy too. Not saying it to discourage you, but to let you know what to expect.

[HiddenEye]

Come on man, post a pic of your local talent!

The girl from the underwater video now has a way too big ass, even for my tastes. Back then her ass was natural.

I like from very fitness to curvy shape butts. And I know what I'm talking about. I'm sure John Stagliano and John Leslie would look at my clips with great attention jajajaja.

Note: Luna, her battle name, loved the stockings I purchased and she kept them as part of the payment, and her signed release of course.

These curvy girls are hard to find here in tijuana and they are expensive. Not like in south America.

[KcDark]

A post to cheer up the crowd, to keep the spirits up, to pump some adrenaline in the vains.

GoPro action camera under water and a massive ASS!

Location: Asturias Love (Deluxe) Motel SP.

Talent: Model auditioned at Scandallo (or first Test Drived as brasilians say).

Great post and motivation to get back to SP ASAP!

[Nounce]

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My plan is to ...?

You don't have to drink alcohol or even buy drink. You can check the clubmodel website for SP and check GP-Guia for reviews if there is one available. I would guess it would start from 500 and above. The first one I took was 600 and that was a while ago.

You can search for "Clinica" "Prime" for places to go.

[Nounce]

Hey wait a minute, I resemble that remark. Yeah, I prefer to stay in hotel rooms with balconies so my pretty marijuanitas can always feel welcome and at home. KKK.....

I do the same that is why I identify with you in particular. My comment is not about pure sex. I hope that clarifies it. If one gets a balcony at a very high floor in Sao Paulo, it is quite nice overlooking the city. Medellin is a valley so that kind of view is quite common.

[HiddenEye]

Unfortunately, it also happens in Brazil, bait and switch is common if you fall on the wide variety of wrong websites.

Nothing better than face to face selection.

Here my report on the subject. Don't ask me the site I picked her from, I was browsing so many that day in particular.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...orts&p=2755200#post2755200.

Thank you for your reply!

I am really excited for my visit in May.

My plan is to mostly go to clubs but given I am avoiding alcohol and don't have anyone else to go to clubs with.

What are the other options?

Does site like https://www.barravipsrio.com/index.p...s-sao-paulo-sp.

Have a lot of bait and switch? Whats the going price there?

I am staying for a month in an Airbnb so looking for overnights as well.

Is it safe to do it at Airbnbs?

[BigButtDetecto]

A post to cheer up the crowd, to keep the spirits up, to pump some adrenaline in the vains.

GoPro action camera under water and a massive ASS!

Location: Asturias Love (Deluxe) Motel SP.

Talent: Model auditioned at Scandallo (or first Test Drived as brasilians say).

These curvy girls are hard to find here in tijuana and they are expensive. Not like in south America.

[Batraaa]

Thank you for your reply!

I am really excited for my visit in May.

My plan is to mostly go to clubs but given I am avoiding alcohol and don't have anyone else to go to clubs with.

What are the other options?

Does site like https://www.barravipsrio.com/index.p...s-sao-paulo-sp.

Have a lot of bait and switch? Whats the going price there?

I am staying for a month in an Airbnb so looking for overnights as well.

Is it safe to do it at Airbnbs?

It shouldn't rain that much as December to March. I only noticed a drastic reduction of talent during Christmas and New Year weeks 'cause girls go to visit their families.

June can bring southeast cold weather, cold enough to fall some snow in Porto Alegre. Make sure your hotel or air bnb has heating.

Pictures attached of Porto Alegre, 650 miles south Sao Paulo, during the same June week.

I rather prefer November-December 'cause I love to pick ficha rosas from car and bike events, but May June is just fine.

[WonderWhy]

My flight arrived this morning at GRU. Picked up my rental car, drove to the hotel in Pinhieros. Got a nice taco down the street then walked to the bank for some play money. I had purchased a Brasil sim card when here in December and was afraid I had lost the number so walked quite a bit further to a mall with a Vivo store and the nice lady added 3 months to my number so now it is working and has lots of minutes. Had a phone call and watched the eye candy in the mall.

Then it started to rain and I thought it could be waited out. Got some ice cream etc but finally called an Uber - 9 reais to get back to the hotel.

A sweetie who went with me to the airport when I left last time is meeting me at my hotel at 6.

I consider it a wonderful day already.

[Axel Heyst]

AH can get something like this, maybe with a bed or Jacuzzi on the terrace that he can smoke with his girls, instead of smoking outside a hotel. LOL. The majority of Colombia working girls that I know like weed, some almost worship this stuff. That would work out well for him.

Hey wait a minute, I resemble that remark. Yeah, I prefer to stay in hotel rooms with balconies so my pretty marijuanitas can always feel welcome and at home. KKK.

I know this is not the right thread for it, but here is my list of SP hotel rooms with balconies (in no particular order of preference): InterContinental, Marriott Executive Apt Hotel, Grand Mercure SP Itaim Bibi, Gran Estanplaza Berrini, Melia Jardim Europa, and Clarion Faria Lima. In RJ my balcony list includes the Grand Hyatt, Fairmont, and Windsor California. With some hotels it is necessary to pay more for a room with a balcony upgrade, but rooms in other hotels like the Hyatt Barra, the Fairmont, & Fasano in RJ, the Marriott Executive Apt Hotel, the Grand Mercure Itaim Bibi in SP all come with balconies.

A room with a jacuzzi on the balcony is a very nice additional feature, but it is a much harder order to fill. If you want one you will have to check out various condos for rent. I fondly remember renting a condo in a building called View Talay 6 in Pattaya for 10 days once upon a time pre Covid. The owner had fixed up his spacious pad for serious play with among other things a jacuzzi on an extended balcony overlooking a Pattaya Beach and the view was just fucking amazing. The girls loved that balcony.

[HiddenEye]

A post to cheer up the crowd, to keep the spirits up, to pump some adrenaline in the vains.

GoPro action camera under water and a massive ASS!

Location: Asturias Love (Deluxe) Motel SP.

Talent: Model auditioned at Scandallo (or first Test Drived as brasilians say).

[Nounce]

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Therefore, TLDR: What is so unique about Medellin at the moment to make it better than Brazil? I actually think it's the reverse, as the extremely weak Real vs. Historical norms make Brazil the UNIQUE situation and you should go before that goes away. The Colombian women and the historically weak COP will still be there down the road.

I just got time to read this post. This is what I said.

...better time in Colombia after he spends enough time there which is a must and he has the time. His budget will get him a lifestyle that is a lot better than in Brazil for the same money.

Do a google search on Oasis Luxury Penthouse beside El Cielo Hotel! and if not this penthouse, checkout other places the host has. AH can get something like this, maybe with a bed or Jacuzzi on the terrace that he can smoke with his girls, instead of smoking outside a hotel. LOL. The majority of Colombia working girls that I know like weed, some almost worship this stuff. That would work out well for him. To me, this's like having the Sao Paulo roof top bar Skye all by myself. Picture attached. Several places that host has are short distance away from some of the best restaurants nearby. The city is unique and there are many places like this that work well for the mongering style. The things you can get delivered, legal or not. These are some of the uniqueness.

GFE really is depending on where you get them. FB GFE is default and BBFS is easier than Brazil to get. Just to make context clear, I consider FB girls working girls. Clubs maybe no, but you should not have a problem if you have the budget and willing to spent the same amount as in Brazil.

Personally, I don't see things as absolute so context is always important for me. Let's say some mongers only go to clinica and never set foot in Scandallo and we know from reports they exist. Personally, I think for the same cost comparing one hour of clinica pro with several hours of MDE semi pro at my place. I would say for this type of monger, MDE may have advantage.

The following post I put it as plain as I could. These girls left at 4 AM. One can compare something like this to a clinica session because it is the same price for me. There was a lot of foreplay that lasted hours. I let the girls do their things and I just observed and played alone. To me it's also an experience, not just sex. I like it but it does not mean you should like it too because we are all different. Not counting hours, not real professional like in a casa, and just have a good time and a large number of them available are also unique in my view.

Minimal setup:

Mirror on either side of the bed
Music of the girls choosing

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Position:

You: with your back flat on the bed and your knees bent at about 60 degree
Girl: her legs go under your legs, her both hands on the bed

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Movement:

You: Nothing if you dont want to but you will. LOL
Girl: dance/twerk away with the music and enjoy the mirror

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Master and Apprentice

The girl brought a non-pro girlfriend over. The girl was teaching the no-pro how to perform RCP so the non-pro was on top of me and the girl lined up side by side with the non-pro. This is a movement that requires some finesse in order to be able to do it non-stop smoothly and keep the little guy inside at all time. They both danced with the girl instructing the non-pro the subtle movements.

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Several experienced mongers have suggested me to visit Brazil and told me I would like it. These mongers have been to Brazil but they don't monger in Brazil anymore. I probably have felt the same as you. I have gone thru the same stage because I have been staying at both places longer but that does not mean you eventually will have the same view as me.

[KcDark]

Just got home from SP and I can't wait to explore more of Brazil and return to SP. I am curious to know how soon after some of y'all left the first did you return? I am already considering another trip given how much of a good time I had.