Pattaya Reports

[Explorer8939]

One mortal SIN is paying girls Fee in full before even getting Buck Nekkid.

Don't do it Homie.

You cannot put the Stick before the Carrot. You just can't.

Carriage before the horse, but your point is well taken.

[CaptainSalami]

He mentioned appreciation for 3 posters.

Those 3 like Non-expebsive girls. Hahaha. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Hahaha.

I appreciate all who have posted quality information. Value for money is not lost on me but I do prefer naughty over nice and it can be hard to find a naughty diamond IMHO.

[CaptainSalami]

Surprisingly more than you would expect in Thailand. Between my buddy and me we have done this with a wide range on non-P4P girls.

Airport security girl.

Government employee.

Accountant for private company.

Another accountant from family owned business.

Worker at fancy mall spa (almost exclusively women customers).

Isaan hotel housekeeper.

Self employed baker.

All of the above stayed with either me or my buddy for 10 to 30 days. My buddy and I got severely limited in available time by a nurse and by a school teacher. Neither could spend more than a very few days away from work. I'm currently working toward an Isaan traveling market business owner, but that isn't going well because she doesn't trust her family to run the business in her absence.

A teacher would be a good option.

[CaptainSalami]

For just 5 days don't even bother the places you cited. Best is to take one girl per night in some of the best agogos on walking, like Palace or another one filled with a lot of girls. You'll spend more money, but you'll have more chances of not finishing with an unattractive girl in your bed sheets.

You'll find nude only in places like Windmill or Kink, talent is very low over there if you want to pick a girl back to your room.

Massage places are all around town, no need to take one near your hotel, what kind of massage are you looking for anyway? A brothel disguised as a massage place or a traditional massage?

Am looking for massage with options to start the day. Am hoping I can manage more than one a day on a couple of days. Managed 3 in a day once in Moscow but that did take a lot of prep. Am confident no issues finishing as have been chained up on a leash for too long.

[CaptainSalami]

As noted, Kink and Willmill for sure, Windmill has a smaller place just across also marked Windmill GoGo I have been inside yet. Dollhouse with Electric Blue upstairs has full nudity with table dancing at certain spots lower level but the last few times I was in the lineup wasn't anything even close to pre-covid. There were a few gems within the short and stocky I call them. There is also didn't noticed before the upper level of seating a dark glass room you can get F. S. Or a BJ.

Many of the GoGo's today might have one or two in their lineup that goes topless. I visited another new GoGo that opened a few months ago called 79, across from PinUp next to Bacarra, the place is really narrow tough to see the entire lineup basically 3 different stages so the best spot is in the middle I got there just as the model lineup was on stage which takes their top down, a cheap 95 draft to survey a few young gems like 341, from what I heard and see drink prices are over 200 baht, when I ask about the BF told 2500. There is a new GoGo on L. K. Angel I heard might have topless but last night after striking out at Bacarra decided to head for a look and was called out by a girl I use to see 10 years ago, working as a waitress at Billabong so for old time sake stop for a drink to catch up an hour later she was on the back of my bike, bit older heavier down Soi Honey to ST room for 1500 baht a steal especially when service is above and beyond.

As for Camel Toe, last time I was there in Feb, if they had an ST room it is no longer available, to my surprise I was taken to a corner booth near the entrance curtains were pulled and I was made to be comfortable on the sofa lounge lucky for me I'm not a big guy but needed more room since post Covid she had picked up a few pounds so I three down the cushion on the floor /

That's a surprise. I thought a lot more places would go nude or do you have to go VIP for that? I prefer to see what's on offer before committing.

[CaptainSalami]

For just 5 days don't even bother the places you cited. Best is to take one girl per night in some of the best agogos on walking, like Palace or another one filled with a lot of girls. You'll spend more money, but you'll have more chances of not finishing with an unattractive girl in your bed sheets.

You'll find nude only in places like Windmill or Kink, talent is very low over there if you want to pick a girl back to your room.

Massage places are all around town, no need to take one near your hotel, what kind of massage are you looking for anyway? A brothel disguised as a massage place or a traditional massage?

Do many of the Agogo girls have an open back door policy?

[Explorer8939]

One more note about "civvies", ie women who have never worked bar. Because of that lack of experience, they don't fuck like a bargirl, they don't have the same work ethic, ie they are more like a normal woman.

One other wrinkle, once they are older, their baby daddy has likely ditched them. Not just because they are older, but often because any sex drive they did have is gone (this is common among Thai women married to Farangs, too).

So now you have a lady who doesn't want or need sex, which can be uncomfortable. Of course, they did have a husband when their sex drive was drying up, so they know that men want sex.

Bottom line: if you go with civvies, the dud rate is much higher than with bargirls. I live here, so I can afford some duds.

[LittleBigMan]

Hi all,

I have been following the Pattaya convo for a while now and doing my research. Thanks to all for the updates and reports. Especially Enternational, Explorer, Lancelot etc. I am returning to the action after a long term relationship break up and am looking forward to it! My tickets are booked to arrive in Pattaya via BKK from AUK on 23rd July for a 5 night stay on my way to LHR. It's been a few years since I was in the game but I have fond memories of places like Medellin, Moscow, Vinnitsa and others. Bogot was a nightmare!

I think I will stay at the Empress and Nams for the transfer.

Soi 6 looking very appealing and can't wait to visit the Windmill.

I do have a couple of questions I haven't yet been able to answer via RTFF.

1 - do the girls in the Agogos get full nude?

2 - can anyone recommend a massage place near the Empress?

3 - does Camel Toe have onsite rooms or not. Reports aren't clear?

4 - Is Cat Flaps worth a look?

I look forward to posting reports and the comments and feedback on them. Especially from Chalupa. Ha ha ha no offence!

Re the chat about P4P or not ladies. If she ain't contributing something to running costs she's a taker and a prossie of some kind.

Thanks again for all the info and bring it on!

As noted, Kink and Willmill for sure, Windmill has a smaller place just across also marked Windmill GoGo I have been inside yet. Dollhouse with Electric Blue upstairs has full nudity with table dancing at certain spots lower level but the last few times I was in the lineup wasn't anything even close to pre-covid. There were a few gems within the short and stocky I call them. There is also didn't noticed before the upper level of seating a dark glass room you can get F. S. Or a BJ.

Many of the GoGo's today might have one or two in their lineup that goes topless. I visited another new GoGo that opened a few months ago called 79, across from PinUp next to Bacarra, the place is really narrow tough to see the entire lineup basically 3 different stages so the best spot is in the middle I got there just as the model lineup was on stage which takes their top down, a cheap 95 draft to survey a few young gems like 341, from what I heard and see drink prices are over 200 baht, when I ask about the BF told 2500. There is a new GoGo on L. K. Angel I heard might have topless but last night after striking out at Bacarra decided to head for a look and was called out by a girl I use to see 10 years ago, working as a waitress at Billabong so for old time sake stop for a drink to catch up an hour later she was on the back of my bike, bit older heavier down Soi Honey to ST room for 1500 baht a steal especially when service is above and beyond.

As for Camel Toe, last time I was there in Feb, if they had an ST room it is no longer available, to my surprise I was taken to a corner booth near the entrance curtains were pulled and I was made to be comfortable on the sofa lounge lucky for me I'm not a big guy but needed more room since post Covid she had picked up a few pounds so I three down the cushion on the floor /

[EihTooms]

"She comes home in the afternoon wearing that black skirt and white blouse".

Envious reading this line!

LOL. I understand perfectly. After School days are special. She knows not to change into regular street cloths until we have finished our homework.

[Chan Chalupa]

Friday Night. I spent 100 baht on The Street of Not Dreams.

Walked up and down maybe 5 times, all I could find were Cubic Zirconians.

Sat at Desire Bar hoping maybe someone was Hanging with Priew.

The downstairs girls are a Solid 2. 1. 5 if you are a tough judger. Yes they are that bad.

[Explorer8939]

Went to a Thai bar last night, on the easternbfringe of the Darkside. Maybe 4 ladies working there, but also civvie ladies drinking together.

Like most Thai bars, bottle service was offered. Sangsom with soda.

There was a Thai band, playing Thai music.

The setup is thst customers can sit and drink with a lady, and tip when they leave. No bar fines or short time room. It is possible to arrange an outdate with a lady during the day, but the ladies are all living with Thai men, so it is not easy for them to get away to see a customer. Particularly a Thai customer.

[Chan Chalupa]

One mortal SIN is paying girls Fee in full before even getting Buck Nekkid.

Don't do it Homie.

You cannot put the Stick before the Carrot. You just can't.

[Chan Chalupa]

For just 5 days don't even bother the places you cited. Best is to take one girl per night in some of the best agogos on walking, like Palace or another one filled with a lot of girls. You'll spend more money, but you'll have more chances of not finishing with an unattractive girl in your bed sheets.

You'll find nude only in places like Windmill or Kink, talent is very low over there if you want to pick a girl back to your room.

Massage places are all around town, no need to take one near your hotel, what kind of massage are you looking for anyway? A brothel disguised as a massage place or a traditional massage?

He mentioned appreciation for 3 posters.

Those 3 like Non-expebsive girls. Hahaha. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Hahaha.

[Banana Boi]

Going to visit Pattaya for first time. Just learning via articles hire to pick-up a girl from bar. Well I assume 2-3 lady drinks needs to be offered?

Once you fix the amount for LT, when do you usually give the amount? When you reach the hotel or even the girl is about to leave next day? What ids the standard practice?

Do you dine and have a drink before going to hotel? Or you have it at hotel? Could be just silly questions. Please forgive. It's the first time.

I'll answer from a gogo bar perspective. No drink is required for the girl. Be like the Japanese. They circle the stages 2 or 3 times and then just point. Mamasans know this is cash in their pocket and race to the Japanese guy to collect the barfine. Some girls may require you to buy them drinks. The number of drinks vary depending on how big a chump the girl thinks you are. Seen guys buy 20 "drinks" before a girl would BF.

Some gogo bars collect the entire amount up front. Some only collect the barfine portion and you pay the girl her portion after.

LT does not necessarily mean the next day. If the girl can't stand your face LT could be 3 hours. Best to clarify this before you take her. It's why although not necessary at least 1 drink before pulling the trigger is a smart investment imo. Again, LT could be 3 hours it could be until they have to go back to work the next day. All depends on many factors like how much they like your company, how much you're feeding them, how nice your hotel is, if they have a Thai BF waiting for them to come home to look after her kid, etc. You can eat any time in that period. It's your time with the girl you can have sex or go eat. Up to you.

[CaliGuy33]

I don't consider a girl in your scenario to be a P4 P girl. She is a civvie. Particularly if the reason she does not work or have a job is because you asked her to quit her job or to not take a job. It would be unfair to expect a lady in this environment that you / we want to hang out with, travel here and there with, stop everything to have lunch, dinner, explore and enjoy that kind of freedom with her at the drop of a hat, essentially to live the life of a retired expat with a sizable and guaranteed income stream when that is not her financial reality in any way, shape or form. So if we want her to behave that way for a long while, months, maybe years, for our convenience, pleasure and benefit, where is the money she is no longer making at her job in order to be our daily and nightly playmate supposed to come from? Should we only choose crusty old retired and monied ladies for our playmates?

Now, if a hole is a hole and the primary if not almost sole reason to spend any time with these ladies is to have sex with them otherwise we can't be bothered, of course, there is no reason to wait for any one of them to finish her regular job before we meet them or for one of those 3-day Thai holidays to come along before we can travel with them. At the worst possible time in terms of crowds and costs, BTW.

Bearing in mind there is a school of thought that considers anyone, male or female, who marries or establishes a regular relationship where sex is in the mix with someone who has more income and assets and who pays a greater than 50% share of expenses to be a "prostitute. " Some would even argue that if you had sex with a lady after buying her dinner she is a "prostitute". I might have even shared that opinion over the years. LOL.

"She comes home in the afternoon wearing that black skirt and white blouse".

Envious reading this line!