Pattaya Reports

**Paolo99** · 07-01-23 16:37

Originally Posted by CaptainSalami [View Original Post]

Do many of the Agogo girls have an open back door policy?

I guess some of them would accept but you have to be clear with them before barfining them, they might request extra money too.

In other places, nothing is guaranteed too, it's not only in the gogos.

**Sky Ryder** · 07-01-23 14:19

Originally Posted by CaptainSalami [View Original Post]

Hi all,

I think I will stay at the Empress and Nams for the transfer.

Thanks again for all the info and bring it on!

I just left Pattaya, on my first visit and stayed 8 days at the Empress, I was mostly very pleased with the hotel and would stay there again with not a problem. The staff was very helpful. I tipped the housekeeper 40 baht a day and she gave me extra towels and waters and was very responsive to any other request I had. The location is excellent if you like the beach. I also used Nam for the transfer and everything went perfect with one exception. They originally assigned Dream to pick me up and her photo was pleasant. Just prior to my flight I was told that they had substituted Nikky to pick me up. Nikky was efficient, professional, and got to the hotel in good time and with not any fuss. Let's just say, I was not interested in chatting her up AT ALL, which was fine since she had very limited English skills. Not her fault she is not attractive, but it was a bummer and I felt bad because I know she saw the disappointment in my eyes when I met her. I will use Nam's again with no hesitation. BTW, about 10 meters up Soi 12, (away from the beach) is a taxi stand. I used the guy a couple of times as he was recommended by the hotel staff and he also took me to the airport today for the flight back. If you use him tell him the guy that gave him a unopened bottle of Absolute recommended him. He also took me to Camel Toe twice, more about that later.

2 - can anyone recommend a massage place near the Empress?

That is really hard to do, since there are so many and the choices are immense. I will give you two that I used. I went to O Ring on Beach Road (There are two locations side by side). It is a legit place and will not even do HJ. The girl I picked told me that before I got the massage in a quiet voice. She suggested I get a foot massage which I did. Turns out you can "bar fine" the massage girls for $400 baht a day. Of course the expectation is they are going to make some money with you, but the ladies are under NO obligation to say yes to going out at all.

The girl I chose was probably close to 40 if not over, but was well preserved. I paid the $400 B and told her I wanted a 2 hour oil massage and then we would decide what else to do. She gave me a very nice relaxing massage and enjoyed my romantic overtures. Let's just say that she told me she had not been laid in almost a year and I believe it from the reaction. It was a wonderful full evening of pleasure and we went to eat after the sex. I gave her $1500 B, she had never asked for anything, and I felt like it was very fair. I would have liked to see her again, but she went back home for a 2 week stay, I forgot to get her Line ID. The other place I went was just across from the Subway shop, on the corner of 2nd Rd. And Soi 13, which I think is Soi LK, the name is Aree Massage. Same kind of thing, except they will do HJ, but nothing more unless you take them outside. Listen, I get that these are not 22 yr old stunners, but for me there is something about a attractive massage lady and good sex. They know how to touch you in a way that makes it more intimate in my experience, and to be honest when they are face down in a pillow and a cute ass in the air, I find I am unconcerned about how big are their tits, and if they look 19 years old, but that is just me. Again, I found one that I like her look and just got a foot massage, to get a feel for the vibe and then offered to buy them out of the shop for the day. I did this twice at Aree, and went to eat with both ladies first then took them to the Empress. It was fun both times.

3 - does Camel Toe have onsite rooms or not. Reports aren't clear?

I am not sure about anything before the last week, but I was there three times last week and a full bore session twice in a private room about 40 feet from the bar. One was a with a gal that had only been there from 2 days, and I was her first client for full service. I really wasn't all that interested at first, and she never gave me the " I really need to help" stuff, but she was working real hard to get me to take her to the room, I think to save face more than anything. She uses the name Focus and was right off the farm it seemed and didn't know much about seduction and a few of the other more experienced gals did try to poach me off her once she got me going. She didn't know she needed to bring her own KY and was so tight I wasn't sure it was going to happen, but nature has a way or working things out. I also enjoyed Patty. Lady drinks are $150, FS is $1000 B, the room is $400 B, I think they can do HJ's in a curtained off area and blow jobs as well if it is busy, but they did have one room with a bed and shower. They market themselves as having a lot of MILFs and it is true, but there are a few of the ladies that carry it well and they like to have fun. They are also understanding if you want to trade for a different girl. The girls greet each new guest on a rotation basis, but no problem to ask for a different lady.

4 - Is Cat Flaps worth a look?

I didn't go there, but I did go to MClub, and I really liked it. There are 2 or 3 really pretty ladies that work there and it is a bit more upscale. Take a look at their IG account and I saw most of the ladies in the photos there at some point in my two visits. One thing I will say, the girl with the huge tits in the manager and I don't know if she is willing to play or not, but I suspect that most of the rest are up for everything. I didn't run into "only for drinks" gals in either of these clubs. I would go back to MClub again as well.

I did not go into any go gos for more than one drink as they are not my jam. I did chat up two really pretty late 20's gals at different beer bars and they were complaining about how slow business was and then when I asked to leave for what I knew to be a reasonable offer, they both said ST was at least $4 K plus bar fine. I told I knew better but they would not budge. I finally asked if business was so bad and there are so many ladies willing to go for less why are you being so stubborn. I got some version of "that is my price", I said fine, you can sit right in the that chair and watch me walk away, but at this moment your $4 K ass is making you exactly $0 and your attitude is not helping.

I went to Korandos one afternoon early and it was DOA but two really hot girls, but I wasn't in the mood. I also went to Maggie Mays and again had just finished a session, so was just window shopping, but there were some nice offerings as well.

At least one evening take a stroll down Beach Rd. There are a lot of VERY average girls, and a couple of real hot LB's. The first question I asked any Beach Rd gal was if she was female at birth, and none of them pushed back or seemed put off. I suspect they get asked a lot. The first night I found one that looked like a school teacher, but was really built well and was wearing a nice fitting skirt and crop top with her glasses. $1000 B later she was naked in my bed and teaching me some new tricks. I made it a habit to walk down Beach Rd. Every night just to see what was available, but usually I was tapped out by then.

BTW, there are two massage shops on Soi 12 as you are walking away from the hotel and they each have at least one gal I wish I had asked to come the hotel, I was always afraid I would find something better, but you know how that goes.

I hope this helps and now I don't have to do a field report! HA Ha.

P.S., I apologize for any grammatical or spelling errors, I am too lazy to edit this thing.

Best,

Sky.

**Explorer8939** · 07-01-23 10:05

Originally Posted by ChanChalupa [View Original Post]

One mortal SIN is paying girls Fee in full before even getting Buck Nekkid.

Don't do it Homie.

You cannot put the Stick before the Carrot. You just can't.

Carriage before the horse, but your point is well taken.

**CaptainSalami** · 07-01-23 08:08

Originally Posted by ChanChalupa [View Original Post]

He mentioned appreciation for 3 posters.

Those 3 like Non-expebsive girls. Hahaha. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Hahaha.

I appreciate all who have posted quality information. Value for money is not lost on me but I do prefer naughty over nice and it can be hard to find a naughty diamond IMHO.

**CaptainSalami** · 07-01-23 07:38

Originally Posted by HorseTrader [View Original Post]

Surprisingly more than you would expect in Thailand. Between my buddy and me we have done this with a wide range on non-P4P girls.

Airport security girl.

Government employee.

Accountant for private company.

Another accountant from family owned business.

Worker at fancy mall spa (almost exclusively women customers).

Isaan hotel housekeeper.

Self employed baker.

All of the above stayed with either me or my buddy for 10 to 30 days. My buddy and I got severely limited in available time by a nurse and by a school teacher. Neither could spend more than a very few days away from work. I'm currently working toward an Isaan traveling market business owner, but that isn't going well because she doesn't trust her family to run the business in her absence.

A teacher would be a good option.

**CaptainSalami** · 07-01-23 07:31

Originally Posted by Paolo99 [View Original Post]

For just 5 days don't even bother the places you cited. Best is to take one girl per night in some of the best agogos on walking, like Palace or another one filled with a lot of girls. You'll spend more money, but you'll have more chances of not finishing with an unattractive girl in your bed sheets.

You'll find nude only in places like Windmill or Kink, talent is very low over there if you want to pick a girl back to your room.

Massage places are all around town, no need to take one near your hotel, what kind of massage are you looking for anyway? A brothel disguised as a massage place or a traditional massage?

Am looking for massage with options to start the day. Am hoping I can manage more than one a day on a couple of days. Managed 3 in a day once in Moscow but that did take a lot of prep. Am confident no issues finishing as have been chained up on a leash for too long.

**CaptainSalami** · 07-01-23 07:27

Originally Posted by LittleBigMan [View Original Post]

As noted, Kink and Willmill for sure, Windmill has a smaller place just across also marked Windmill GoGo I have been inside yet. Dollhouse with Electric Blue upstairs has full nudity with table dancing at certain spots lower level but the last few times I was in the lineup wasn't anything even close to pre-covid. There were a few gems within the short and stocky I call them. There is also didn't noticed before the upper level of seating a dark glass room you can get F. S. Or a BJ.

Many of the GoGo's today might have one or two in their lineup that goes topless. I visited another new GoGo that opened a few months ago called 79, across from PinUp next to Bacarra, the place is really narrow tough to see the entire lineup basically 3 different stages so the best spot is in the middle I got there just as the model lineup was on stage which takes their top down, a cheap 95 draft to survey a few young gems like 341, from what I heard and see drink prices are over 200 baht, when I ask about the BF told 2500. There is a new GoGo on L. K. Angel I heard might have topless but last night after striking out at Bacarra decided to head for a look and was called out by a girl I use to see 10 years ago, working as a waitress at Billabong so for old time sake stop for a drink to catch up an hour later she was on the back of my bike, bit older heavier down Soi Honey to ST room for 1500 baht a steal especially when service is above and beyond.

As for Camel Toe, last time I was there in Feb, if they had an ST room it is no longer available, to my surprise I was taken to a corner booth near the entrance curtains were pulled and I was made to be comfortable on the sofa lounge lucky for me I'm not a big guy but needed more room since post Covid she had picked up a few pounds so I three down the cushion on the floor /

That's a surprise. I thought a lot more places would go nude or do you have to go VIP for that? I prefer to see what's on offer before committing.

**CaptainSalami** · 07-01-23 07:24

Originally Posted by Paolo99 [View Original Post]

For just 5 days don't even bother the places you cited. Best is to take one girl per night in some of the best agogos on walking, like Palace or another one filled with a lot of girls. You'll spend more money, but you'll have more chances of not finishing with an unattractive girl in your bed sheets.

You'll find nude only in places like Windmill or Kink, talent is very low over there if you want to pick a girl back to your room.

Massage places are all around town, no need to take one near your hotel, what kind of massage are you looking for anyway? A brothel disguised as a massage place or a traditional massage?

Do many of the Agogo girls have an open back door policy?

**Explorer8939** · 07-01-23 07:18

One more note about "civvies", ie women who have never worked bar. Because of that lack of experience, they don't fuck like a bargirl, they don't have the same work ethic, ie they are more like a normal woman.

One other wrinkle, once they are older, their baby daddy has likely ditched them. Not just because they are older, but often because any sex drive they did have is gone (this is common among Thai women married to Farangs, too).

So now you have a lady who doesn't want or need sex, which can be uncomfortable. Of course, they did have a husband when their sex drive was drying up, so they know that men want sex.

Bottom line: if you go with civvies, the dud rate is much higher than with bargirls. I live here, so I can afford some duds.

**LittleBigMan** · 07-01-23 04:41

Originally Posted by CaptainSalami [View Original Post]

Hi all,

I have been following the Pattaya convo for a while now and doing my research. Thanks to all for the updates and reports. Especially Enternational, Explorer, Lancelot etc. I am returning to the action after a long term relationship break up and am looking forward to it! My tickets are booked to arrive in Pattaya via BKK from AUK on 23rd July for a 5 night stay on my way to LHR. It's been a few years since I was in the game but I have fond memories of places like Medellin, Moscow, Vinnitsa and others. Bogot was a nightmare!

I think I will stay at the Empress and Nams for the transfer.

Soi 6 looking very appealing and can't wait to visit the Windmill.

I do have a couple of questions I haven't yet been able to answer via RTFF.

1 - do the girls in the Agogos get full nude?

2 - can anyone recommend a massage place near the Empress?

3 - does Camel Toe have onsite rooms or not. Reports aren't clear?

4 - Is Cat Flaps worth a look?

I look forward to posting reports and the comments and feedback on them. Especially from Chalupa. Ha ha ha no offence!

Re the chat about P4P or not ladies. If she ain't contributing something to running costs she's a taker and a prossie of some kind.

Thanks again for all the info and bring it on!

As noted, Kink and Willmill for sure, Windmill has a smaller place just across also marked Windmill GoGo I have been inside yet. Dollhouse with Electric Blue upstairs has full nudity with table dancing at certain spots lower level but the last few times I was in the lineup wasn't anything even close to pre-covid. There were a few gems within the short and stocky I call them. There is also didn't noticed before the upper level of seating a dark glass room you can get F. S. Or a BJ.

Many of the GoGo's today might have one or two in their lineup that goes topless. I visited another new GoGo that opened a few months ago called 79, across from PinUp next to Bacarra, the place is really narrow tough to see the entire lineup basically 3 different stages so the best spot is in the middle I got there just as the model lineup was on stage which takes their top down, a cheap 95 draft to survey a few young gems like 341, from what I heard and see drink prices are over 200 baht, when I ask about the BF told 2500. There is a new GoGo on L. K. Angel I heard might have topless but last night after striking out at Bacarra decided to head for a look and was called out by a girl I use to see 10 years ago, working as a waitress at Billabong so for old time sake stop for a drink to catch up an hour later she was on the back of my bike, bit older heavier down Soi Honey to ST room for 1500 baht a steal especially when service is above and beyond.

As for Camel Toe, last time I was there in Feb, if they had an ST room it is no longer available, to my surprise I was taken to a corner booth near the entrance curtains were pulled and I was made to be comfortable on the sofa lounge lucky for me I'm not a big guy but needed more room since post Covid she had picked up a few pounds so I three down the cushion on the floor /

**EihTooms** · 07-01-23 03:35

Originally Posted by CaliGuy33 [View Original Post]

"She comes home in the afternoon wearing that black skirt and white blouse".

Envious reading this line!

LOL. I understand perfectly. After School days are special. She knows not to change into regular street cloths until we have finished our homework.

**Chan Chalupa** · 07-01-23 02:18

Friday Night. I spent 100 baht on The Street of Not Dreams.

Walked up and down maybe 5 times, all I could find were Cubic Zirconians.

Sat at Desire Bar hoping maybe someone was Hanging with Priew.

The downstairs girls are a Solid 2. 1. 5 if you are a tough judger. Yes they are that bad.

**Explorer8939** · 07-01-23 02:03

Went to a Thai bar last night, on the easternbfringe of the Darkside. Maybe 4 ladies working there, but also civvie ladies drinking together.

Like most Thai bars, bottle service was offered. Sangsom with soda.

There was a Thai band, playing Thai music.

The setup is thst customers can sit and drink with a lady, and tip when they leave. No bar fines or short time room. It is possible to arrange an outdate with a lady during the day, but the ladies are all living with Thai men, so it is not easy for them to get away to see a customer. Particularly a Thai customer.

**Chan Chalupa** · 07-01-23 00:28

One mortal SIN is paying girls Fee in full before even getting Buck Nekkid.

Don't do it Homie.

You cannot put the Stick before the Carrot. You just can't.

**Chan Chalupa** · 07-01-23 00:16

Originally Posted by Paolo99 [View Original Post]

For just 5 days don't even bother the places you cited. Best is to take one girl per night in some of the best agogos on walking, like Palace or another one filled with a lot of girls. You'll spend more money, but you'll have more chances of not finishing with an unattractive girl in your bed sheets.

You'll find nude only in places like Windmill or Kink, talent is very low over there if you want to pick a girl back to your room.

Massage places are all around town, no need to take one near your hotel, what kind of massage are you looking for anyway? A brothel disguised as a massage place or a traditional massage?

He mentioned appreciation for 3 posters.

Those 3 like Non-expebsive girls. Hahaha. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Hahaha.