Seeking Arrangements

[FilthyBeaver]

As I've said before, I never agree to pay for a first meeting. I've also found that most of the girls who ask for such a thing don't last long. They either delete their profiles altogether or go inactive. The thought of paying a girl for her time is laughable, my time is far more valuable than hers and she has way more to lose than I do (a regular reliable SD). Frankly if they don't know that or can't figure it out, they are going to be way to dull to have anything other than a sexual relationship with and I want a little more than that. I'm not remotely misogynistic though this post may have come across that way.

The other type that amuses me is they ask "what are you offering?" Within the first few messages. I'm not offering shit until I know I stand to be in a room with you for more than 10 min. These are prostitutes that have convinced themselves they're not prostitutes. BTW I have no issue with them, used them plenty of times but that's not why I pay almost 300/ mo to meet these girls. My best relationships have all been ones where money was discussed after we decided we didn't weird each other out (in person).

This one woman from Bogota mentioned in her profile that she doesn't go on dates for free. I assumed this was just her being coy meaning she doesn't have sex for free, but nope, when I messaged her, it was clear she wanted me to pay just to see her without any talk of going back to my apartment. I left her last message on unread. If she was being this ridiculous before we even met, I already knew it would be a bad experience where she's asking for an excessive amount. Besides, she doesn't speak English and my Spanish is lacking, so what the fuck would be the point? I have no problem conversing through translation apps, but I'm not paying for conversation.

Today as I was unsharing my private photos with the women I didn't go through with, I noticed she deleted that part from her profile. Guess she couldn't find an easy mark to pay for her the privilege of her shitty company.

[Gfefan]

Sweet.

Yeah, most of them say "yes" when there is a chemistry going on and positioned appropriately. Saves money for us, gives experience to them, and a great company for each other both in and outside bedroom. Win-win all around.

(some of them will otherwise never get to see the places I took them to. Meaning not fancy places but out of beaten path places such as a hiking place in Switzerland.).

I know she adores me so I took a page out of GFEfans (and Elvis) playbook and went for the no pay play. I told her tickets are expensive so I couldn't give you allowance and she said no problem. She's fine just being my GF. Sweet. I will prob give her 100-200/ day to cover food and transport since I'm going to be busy. But super nice to know she will see me for free. BB no less.

[Voodoo Jones]

This one woman from Bogota mentioned in her profile that she doesn't go on dates for free. I assumed this was just her being coy meaning she doesn't have sex for free, but nope, when I messaged her, it was clear she wanted me to pay just to see her without any talk of going back to my apartment. I left her last message on unread. If she was being this ridiculous before we even met, I already knew it would be a bad experience where she's asking for an excessive amount. Besides, she doesn't speak English and my Spanish is lacking, so what the fuck would be the point? I have no problem conversing through translation apps, but I'm not paying for conversation.

Today as I was unsharing my private photos with the women I didn't go through with, I noticed she deleted that part from her profile. Guess she couldn't find an easy mark to pay for her the privilege of her shitty company.

[DevSagar]

I traveled to Budapest and Prague in 2019. Yes, I did bang one chick in Budapest during my stay there as I was there for an international conference. Her allowance was 200 Euro for a 4/5 hour meet. She was around 35. I liked her pic and started chatting with her around 2 weeks before my arrival. It was a very nice experience with her and we were in touch before she got married and shifted to another European country. I also met a chick in Starbucks over a coffee date early morning before she went for college. She was a student from Georgia doing masters in Budapest University. Slim, trim, beautiful and good knowledge of English but couldn't get her laid as our schedules didn't align.

The SA scene is very much active and vibrant in Budapest. I had plans to go again before this pandemic screwed all plans.

Regards.

Anyone done sugaring in Budapest? It seems like it's thin out there on SA and I can't seem to get a payment thru on what seems like a local variant Punc.

Anyone had any luck or tips to penetrate the sugar trade there? .

[Steve 9696]

Yes, expensive US coastal city. She didn't need a visa but the second part of your question is easy. They cut a lot of slack to Schengen countries, especially a rich one like Germany. She can tell them she's coming to see her boyfriend that she met in FRA.

I think you're being paranoid, if they are from a developed / wealthy country with a high standard of living they won't have problems. If you educate yourself on the laws which are all on the dhs website they even tell you want strategies will work within the confines of existing law. E. g. Did you know that if you don't want to wait for a fiance to bring a girl here she can come in as a tourist (with some hopes to jump through. You go to the courthouse, get married and immediately change her status from tourist to permanent resident and it is 100% legal. If you just want to bang a hot 20 yr old with no assets or job and in a less developed country you'll have problems but insurmountable.

Very timely discussion as I just sealed the deal to fly my UK SA girlfriend to US this morning! I am with you GFE about being a little paranoid. She's UK so like FB says prob not a big deal. But just the same I sent her money for the ticket and had her book it rather than me being on the record flying a foreigner to US (I've done it to other countries but US are such puritanical Jesus freaks didn't want to take any chances).

I know she adores me so I took a page out of GFEfans (and Elvis) playbook and went for the no pay play. I told her tickets are expensive so I couldn't give you allowance and she said no problem. She's fine just being my GF. Sweet. I will prob give her 100-200/ day to cover food and transport since I'm going to be busy. But super nice to know she will see me for free. BB no less.

[FilthyBeaver]

Yes, expensive US coastal city. She didn't need a visa but the second part of your question is easy. They cut a lot of slack to Schengen countries, especially a rich one like Germany. She can tell them she's coming to see her boyfriend that she met in FRA.

I think you're being paranoid, if they are from a developed / wealthy country with a high standard of living they won't have problems. If you educate yourself on the laws which are all on the dhs website they even tell you want strategies will work within the confines of existing law. E. g. Did you know that if you don't want to wait for a fiance to bring a girl here she can come in as a tourist (with some hopes to jump through. You go to the courthouse, get married and immediately change her status from tourist to permanent resident and it is 100% legal. If you just want to bang a hot 20 yr old with no assets or job and in a less developed country you'll have problems but insurmountable.

Not intending to poke here. Please don't feel compelled to answer.

"Joining me at home" = Joining in US? If yes, how do you manage / coach her on "purpose of visit" at entry?

My favorite regulars are in Europe and I am not flying them here just being cautious. Have always wondered if I am being paranoid or cautious.

[FilthyBeaver]

But I'll also add then when we were together it was always fireworks, beautiful girl, never ran out if stuff to talk about (both of us) and we'd blab for hours. I ended up chasing her away and I was overcome with emotion and heartbroken for several months. Cost me a very expensive car, almost my life, and a bottle of Glenfidich Gran Cru. Not the proudest moment in my like but it was as real as it gets with someone and I was devastated. I'm still punishing myself for loosing her. And she's the only reason I keep returning to the site but it's futile she was one of a kind for me.

I like this idea. Mirror their behavior is what you are saying essentially.

[Gfefan]

I will be in Frankfurt mid-Nov. Trying to have my Spain girl foy in the same day. If she is able to join, I am busy with her.

If not, I have Sharks or Oase as backup options. Been really long while since I hit FKK. Happy to hang out there if any of you would like to.

I'm so envious. So far my SA experience in Frankfurt has been awful. Half of the girls just don't reply at all, unfortunatley those are the ones I like most from the photos. Those that reply don't really stand out in anything. Or conversation dies after a day or two. One girl from Montengro (going for vacation soon) just blocked me after I've sent her a reminder after I noticed she read my message. It feels exactly like more expensive Tinder, LOL. I also get unsolicited contacts, but those girls are just young bimbos or semi-pros, so hard skip on them.

[Gfefan]

Not intending to poke here. Please don't feel compelled to answer.

"Joining me at home" = Joining in US? If yes, how do you manage / coach her on "purpose of visit" at entry?

My favorite regulars are in Europe and I am not flying them here just being cautious. Have always wondered if I am being paranoid or cautious.

I posted about my experiences in Germany previously but it is possible and you are correct about the difficulty. Nabbed actual German girls in two cities and a Spanish girl in another city. Had plans to meet with 1 or two others as backups but they all flaked (they were not German either so I didn't lose any sleep, I wanted the Germans).

Still in touch with one but the other one is upset with me after not giving her an outrageous sum for joining me here at home, and being open and honest about my experiences on the site.

[Gfefan]

I like this idea. Mirror their behavior is what you are saying essentially.

Impossible to answer. There are as many answers as there are girls in the world. My longest term girl NEVER texted. Only to set a date. I met a Dr in an Eastern European country who would text for hours and it only worked for me because 1) she was interesting and 2) I own the business so I can goof off as much as I want. That time difference really worked well for us.

You need to follow her lead, if she texts you text, if not, you don't it's that simple. Forcing it in either direction is going to turn her off.

[AmericanPi]

Anyone done sugaring in Budapest? It seems like it's thin out there on SA and I can't seem to get a payment thru on what seems like a local variant Punc.

Anyone had any luck or tips to penetrate the sugar trade there? .

[FilthyBeaver]

I posted about my experiences in Germany previously but it is possible and you are correct about the difficulty. Nabbed actual German girls in two cities and a Spanish girl in another city. Had plans to meet with 1 or two others as backups but they all flaked (they were not German either so I didn't lose any sleep, I wanted the Germans).

Still in touch with one but the other one is upset with me after not giving her an outrageous sum for joining me here at home, and being open and honest about my experiences on the site.

I'm so envious. So far my SA experience in Frankfurt has been awful. Half of the girls just don't reply at all, unfortunatley those are the ones I like most from the photos. Those that reply don't really stand out in anything. Or conversation dies after a day or two. One girl from Montengro (going for vacation soon) just blocked me after I've sent her a reminder after I noticed she read my message. It feels exactly like more expensive Tinder, LOL. I also get unsolicited contacts, but those girls are just young bimbos or semi-pros, so hard skip on them.

[FilthyBeaver]

Impossible to answer. There are as many answers as there are girls in the world. My longest term girl NEVER texted. Only to set a date. I met a Dr in an Eastern European country who would text for hours and it only worked for me because 1) she was interesting and 2) I own the business so I can goof off as much as I want. That time difference really worked well for us.

You need to follow her lead, if she texts you text, if not, you don't it's that simple. Forcing it in either direction is going to turn her off.

Text game is an interesting point.

So far, I haven't had a problem but recently, I had two extremes.

Two girls. Worth it and repeatable. We met, great chemistry, decent sex, not money oriented. So, wanted to meet them a few more times and see if they are worth moving into my Top tier (the ones I give money even without sex).

One of them told me "Its a little difficult and you seem less connected".

Other one, for all practical purposes, told me I am texting a lot.

Mind you. Both of them are more like once a week or fortnight, few texts to stay in touch. Same levelmof attention and being cautious that they have their own lives. So, I don't get desperate and message a lot.

How do you figure what is optimal for a given girl and any tips on how to hit that sweet spot?

[Gfefan]

Text game is an interesting point.

So far, I haven't had a problem but recently, I had two extremes.

Two girls. Worth it and repeatable. We met, great chemistry, decent sex, not money oriented. So, wanted to meet them a few more times and see if they are worth moving into my Top tier (the ones I give money even without sex).

One of them told me "Its a little difficult and you seem less connected".

Other one, for all practical purposes, told me I am texting a lot.

Mind you. Both of them are more like once a week or fortnight, few texts to stay in touch. Same levelmof attention and being cautious that they have their own lives. So, I don't get desperate and message a lot.

How do you figure what is optimal for a given girl and any tips on how to hit that sweet spot?

Yep. It's a tough go. But so worth it once you find the gem in the pile of bullshit. Never done Frankfurt tho on Seeking. What other geographies have you tried?

Its not surprising half dont reply. Thats standard even for experienced guys. Its a number game. U gotta be on all the time and working it.

P.S. How's your text game? Are u Reasonably non objectionable and fit? Do u end every interaction with a question to keep the game flowing? Where do you think the drop off is?

[Steve 9696]

I'm so envious. So far my SA experience in Frankfurt has been awful. Half of the girls just don't reply at all, unfortunatley those are the ones I like most from the photos. Those that reply don't really stand out in anything. Or conversation dies after a day or two. One girl from Montengro (going for vacation soon) just blocked me after I've sent her a reminder after I noticed she read my message. It feels exactly like more expensive Tinder, LOL. I also get unsolicited contacts, but those girls are just young bimbos or semi-pros, so hard skip on them.

Yep. It's a tough go. But so worth it once you find the gem in the pile of bullshit. Never done Frankfurt tho on Seeking. What other geographies have you tried?

It’s not surprising half don’t reply. That’s standard even for experienced guys. It’s a number game. U gotta be on all the time and working it.

P.S. How's your text game? Are u Reasonably non objectionable and fit? Do u end every interaction with a question to keep the game flowing? Where do you think the drop off is?