Seeking Arrangements

[Steve 9696]

So I guess there is all this Seeking sucks and no it doesn't debate of late. And at the risk of being labeled a fanboy I will say another reason it's awesome. Because once you hook a seeking girl your can repeat repeat repeat. Even at long intervals. I still see Alexa when I am in town and we met in 2019. And she is still hot AF.

Case in point. Last couple days been in contact with my regular home girl from 2020 2021. Lots going on in her life (their lives are sooo interesting compared to our upper middle class suburban lives!) and she's at a point where we lightly reconnect. Then suddenly she asks if I want to meet for a drink tonight and it's on. Just a get reacquainted drink but sooooo much fun. And a sex date for Sunday. Nice!

Yeah. A fan. But maybe that's just me.

[VanessasClient]

That's the page I'm on. Works amazing for me and a few other guys I know (even in the US) but to be clear I ENJOY the process. I enjoy browsing girls. I enjoy chatting nightly with a shortlist of hotties. I enjoy the date as well as the sex. So the whole thing works for me. But may not for you. And yeah $100/ mo is a tiny fraction of my girls budget. I'm no fool like when I am not traveling I let it lapse. But when I am traveling it's just a cost of doing of business and I don't even think about it.

Well, I guess just from my way of thinking, if you are willing to drop that much money, why bother looking overseas? There's plenty of beautiful talent in the USA for $1,000+ an hour. That to me just screams rip off when I can find women just a pretty for less than 150 euros an hour, along with the hassle of flights, hotels, and all the other time consuming activities associated with long distance travel. I'm on this forum because it's ISG. If I were interested in still pursuing the USA, I wouldn't be here. In any case, I suppose I'll give Seeking another shot the next time I'm out of the country, assuming my other girl isn't accessible to me at the time.

[The Cane]

To be clear I ENJOY the process. So yeah def not 99.99% when I lay it out. Looks like about 10% of girls are worth talking to initially and that drops to 5% worth getting serious with.

OK, so let's make it a 95% fail rate then (again I'm only talking about in the States because that's what I know). For me and plenty of other guys that's still way, way, way too high. You do indeed have to enjoy the process to be willing to put up with that. As is oft said, to each his own.

[Steve 9696]

Honestly man Seeking just isn't your jam. And that's ok. You have another jam.

It's not the budget option, straight up. If you're not spending upwards of 5000 a year on this, and probably much more, you're probably not having the experience as it's intended. There are budget girls in the Seeking game but they're really just escorts in the site. In the US, dinner hotel and a gift will set you back 600-800 dollars per instance. Once you know a girl you can maybe skip the dinner. Or maybe she comes to your place. Or maybe your company pays your hotel. Everyone's situation is different. But one thing is for sure. If you're looking for pussy value, this just isn't the place for it.

That's the page I'm on. Works amazing for me and a few other guys I know (even in the US) but to be clear I ENJOY the process. I enjoy browsing girls. I enjoy chatting nightly with a shortlist of hotties. I enjoy the date as well as the sex. So the whole thing works for me. But may not for you. And yeah $100/ mo is a tiny fraction of my girls budget. I'm no fool like when I am not traveling I let it lapse. But when I am traveling it's just a cost of doing of business and I don't even think about it.

Just to set the record straight on the 99.99% is bullshit that was clearly a bit of hyperbole. We've talked about our success rates before but mine goes something like this when traveling to a big city.

Browse daily for several weeks. Prob see over 100 girls in the list and end up contacting 10.

Of that 10 get into serious chat with 3-5.

Of that 3-5 I usually settle on 2 that I plan to see and work a deal with.

Schedule fave for night 1 and second for night 2. Repeat with fave of the two remainder of week.

So yeah def not 99.99% when I lay it out. Looks like about 10% of girls are worth talking to initially and that drops to 5% worth getting serious with. And 95% awesome in person after I choose and seal the deal.

[AmericanPi]

Right now $96.99 a month is the lowest they go with a 3 month commitment. But again, you can buy a P411 subscription for $180 a year, which breaks down to $15 a month. Plus the criminal background check badge only last 6 months, then you have to pay to have your background check processed again. Maybe I should try using the damn service outside of the USA, and I'll have more luck.
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Honestly man Seeking just isn't your jam. And that's ok. You have another jam.

It's not the budget option, straight up. If you're not spending upwards of 5000 a year on this, and probably much more, you're probably not having the experience as it's intended. There are budget girls in the Seeking game but they're really just escorts in the site. In the US, dinner hotel and a gift will set you back 600-800 dollars per instance. Once you know a girl you can maybe skip the dinner. Or maybe she comes to your place. Or maybe your company pays your hotel. Everyone's situation is different. But one thing is for sure. If you're looking for pussy value, this just isn't the place for it.

[VanessasClient]

Seeking doesn't cost "hundreds of dollars a month" unless you opt for platinum or whatever it is called membership. Premium membership is all you need. It is about 100 usd a month, but they always send me discounts and coupons. Last time when I renewed I paid $68. Also, there is no need to renew every month. Renew as you need it, collect phone numbers and over time you will have a decent contact list. Heck, most dating apps cost like 25-30 usd a month. Paying extra 40-50 bucks is not a big deal to me and won't break my bank. If it is a big deal for you, stick to cheaper options.

Right now $96.99 a month is the lowest they go with a 3 month commitment. But again, you can buy a P411 subscription for $180 a year, which breaks down to $15 a month. Plus the criminal background check badge only last 6 months, then you have to pay to have your background check processed again. Maybe I should try using the damn service outside of the USA, and I'll have more luck.

I think the disconnect here is the results, compared to the method of finding. I met my "improvised novia" in Europe on an appointment that almost didn't happen. Found her on Euro Girls Escort, free to clients. Saw her for 2 dates there, lasting 1 hour each. I asked her for her personal phone number and real name, which she was willing to provide. I kept in touch with her after I left Europe, and she went back to South America shortly after. Less than 6 months later she's offering to travel to another country with me for nothing other than a "tip" as long as I paid for all of her accommodations. But a tip of an unspecified amount. Since the tip was at my discretion, I couldn't possibly say not to her, because if I was a rude bastard, I could literally have given her a single penny, which technically is a denomination of money, albeit the lowest one. Thankfully I'm not an inconsiderate scoundrel, so she didn't get just a penny. But what I didn't experience was some pathetic gringo rodent who wanted $5,000 a night on top of paying for accommodations.

The point is, that didn't require me signing up for a site that is $100 a month and spending days or weeks trying to find someone like that. Maybe I just got lucky. If I was convinced I was going to find girls like her by getting on Seeking, then yes I'd be back on there. What I have found from interacting with her over time, is that building a connection like this takes a certain amount of trust, and more to the point, the willingness to take risks. Ever since I met her there were multiple points in time where things could have gone very wrong, and even one occasion where they did, though I was able to remedy it. If I had met her online via Seeking, and even video chatted with her, I doubt that would have the same effect as spending a mere 2 hours with her in person. Unusual circumstances I guess you could say.

And the only reason I'm here and browsing around is because she's stuck back in Europe again, and taking a 9+ hour one way flight for me is not an option every weekend, or even every month. There's another 9 goddamn hours back to the USA along with all the hassle of transatlantic flying. On the other hand, Central America is close enough that I could visit once a month. I just need something to tide me over until I can see her again. The last time I saw her was in July when I went to EU. If she were accessible to me on a regular basis, all of this would likely be a non issue Have you tried going more than 4 months without sex? Jaja. I'm not at all inclined to touch the filthy pigs in this area, as it's kind of insulting compared to what I can get overseas. Such is life *sigh*.

[The Cane]

I disagree with your and Steve's 99.99% statistics. Sure, there are hardcore pros, druggies, thieves, scams, uglies, etc but it is your responsibility to weed them out. Once you learn how to do that, life becomes much easier. If I manage to weed out 95% of the girls and only get to meet the remaining 5%, guess what my success rate is? Probably 70%-80%. Meaning 7 or 8 girls out of every 10 that I get to meet are good enough to repeat with. Decent chemistry, GFE and all the bells and whistles. 2-3 girls out of 10 would be meh, but nothing horrible (maybe just a lack of chemistry, or sex didn't happen due to various reasons, period, didn't feel well, got drunk, etc.) Weeding them out takes some time and patience, but it is a must thing to do. And as you gain experience, you will become much more efficient at it. Chat, FaceTime if need be, ask questions, ask social media accounts, photos, look for red flags and listen to your gut. Also, find out in what cities or countries Seeking works best and use it there. We all know Seeking sucks in the States, along with Tinder, so why even bother?

So tell us more then. Or, do you consider your methods to be "trade secrets"? What specific questions do you ask? What do you do with their social media if you gain access to it? What have you found to be red flags? You get "that feeling" in your gut from what? In any event, your last sentence backs up everything I've said. You essentially said that using Seeking in the States is so useless why even bother with it! That sounds like a 99.9% failure rate to me bro. RonhinCruz chimed in to challenge that level of failure too, but importantly he also said he doesn't use Seeking in the States, and the only place I’m talking about is the States because that’s the only place I’ve used it. So neither one of you added a thing to take away from my position based on my real world experience. In fact, you just strengthened it by agreeing that Seeking is worthless in the States, the only country I've been talking about. That said, I'm interested in hearing more about your screening tactics should you want to share in the event I find myself in another country and in the mood to try Seeking there (not likely when I can go to Scandallo or Oase LOL).

[RonhinCruz]

I can't speak to seeking in the US as I don't use it for that purpose. But as someone that travels outside the bus and most regularly to Latin America I find Seeking incredible useful and not nearly as 99/1 as suggested.

I am in a beach town in El Salvador where there is no P4 P. I just sent the girl I sourced from Seeking home. She spent two nights with me. She was 23 and a pure spinner. Slimmest girl I have ever done. Counting Uber rides, extra dinner expenses agreed upon rate, tip etc I was in just over $300. We had excellent sex 4 times. She spoke no English and I got to practice my Spanish. She was pleasant and respectful of my work. Totally would be happy to repeat as we both thoroughly enjoyed ourselves and she wasn't just watching a clock. I was her second seeking date ever and I believe her. This in a country where $40 gets youna standard 45 minutes with a likely ok casa chic.

Thanks to seeking I have 5 solid prospects to replace my awesome seeking girl in Nicaragua (straight 9 that ended up moving to Switzerland) including what looks like a true 3 some with two bisexual girls who are totally jazzed at meeting and myself. The Nicaraguan I met through Wanucios and the Kiwi through seeking. She is coming up from Costa Rica to spend a couple of days doing fun things together and hopefully all hook up with Stacy. And there is one potential absolute 10 as well as the professional dancer / student.

Yeah there is sitting and chatting but for me well worth it.

[MiamiBoy1]

I guess for me, I just can't justify paying hundreds of dollars a month to try and find the proverbial "need in a haystack. " I mean look at the subscription fee to this site, it's $25 a year. Even membership on *** is not over $100 a month. For me, paying that kind of money just to spend hours flipping through and having 2 minute conversations with morons, only hoping I'm going to find a gold mine, doesn't seem like a good value proposition By the way, everybody talks about finding girls on FB. How exactly does one search for chicas on there? What kind of criteria is typically used?

Seeking doesn't cost "hundreds of dollars a month" unless you opt for platinum or whatever it is called membership. Premium membership is all you need. It is about 100 usd a month, but they always send me discounts and coupons. Last time when I renewed I paid $68. Also, there is no need to renew every month. Renew as you need it, collect phone numbers and over time you will have a decent contact list. Heck, most dating apps cost like 25-30 usd a month. Paying extra 40-50 bucks is not a big deal to me and won't break my bank. If it is a big deal for you, stick to cheaper options.

[MiamiBoy1]

Why is it that if VanessasClient says it sucks and points out why you respond "all true"? But if I say it you start coming across as kind of defensive? At least that's how it seems to me. You spend a lot of time talking about that 0. 01%. What about the other 99.99% (and all the fatties and the no shows you told me about)? If you spent more time talking about that, then people would get the full picture. That's what would be fair and square. Well, I guess there's me and whoever else to do that. I was on the site for just a short time and bared it all. The good, the bad, and the ugly. From the super high (1) to the super lows (so many most not even mentioned). And my real experience really proves what you yourself admit. That 99.99% of the time Seeking sucks!

If you're a betting man and / or somebody with a busy schedule, you pass as it's not worth your time (and money). Maybe we don't all live abroad (some of us do), but that's not a reason to then go and waste time and money on Seeking. As I always remind people, life is far more than either / or propositions. I don't need to live abroad to do my thing, and I don't have to accept dealing with Seeking either. I'm quite happy to take trips abroad, which hopefully will become more frequent with time. I realize that's an option that I have that other people don't. So maybe they feel like Seeking is their only or best choice, and that's fine. But, they need to know (and accept) the full truth about it. That 99.99% of the time it's going to suck, and decide whether they want to put up with the knee-deep bullshit or not. The truth. It can set you free.

I disagree with your and Steve's 99.99% statistics. Sure, there are hardcore pros, druggies, thieves, scams, uglies, etc but it is your responsibility to weed them out. Once you learn how to do that, life becomes much easier. If I manage to weed out 95% of the girls and only get to meet the remaining 5%, guess what my success rate is? Probably 70%-80%. Meaning 7 or 8 girls out of every 10 that I get to meet are good enough to repeat with. Decent chemistry, GFE and all the bells and whistles. 2-3 girls out of 10 would be meh, but nothing horrible (maybe just a lack of chemistry, or sex didn't happen due to various reasons, period, didn't feel well, got drunk, etc.) Weeding them out takes some time and patience, but it is a must thing to do. And as you gain experience, you will become much more efficient at it. Chat, FaceTime if need be, ask questions, ask social media accounts, photos, look for red flags and listen to your gut. Also, find out in what cities or countries Seeking works best and use it there. We all know Seeking sucks in the States, along with Tinder, so why even bother?

[AmericanPi]

That was a really good read. Thank you for writing it.

I agree with a lot of it. But I also know I made a commitment to be faithful and I break that commitment every time I hop in bed with some hot young thing.

Don't get me wrong. I have no plans to stop. In fact I have a trip to Mexico in two weeks and I already have 3 girls lined up. One for the third time because she lets me drop anal even tho she doesn't like it, and she's hot as hell. The others are too. There's no way I'm giving that up. I will just live with a little guilt. It's worth it and then some.

I am not sure you are selfish. I was skeptical that I could have a happy sex life with one woman and I think my gal is by far the exception and not the rule. I did not think such a woman existed. In the past, I kept sugar babies because with women I was dating after three months, sex with them was not a priority. I got my needs met with SBs but not GFs. The GFs would put out pussy to attract me and when they thought they had me would pull it back. There is a comedy routine on this very subject in the show Coupling. There are only seven sets of stockings in the whole world and women only wear them when courting a man. But studies show desire does flame out in relationships with women faster than men.

I have recommended the David Buss book The Evolution of Desire many times in other forums because it goes into what men and women truly desire. It is not perfect. I think there are base minimums for men and women. For example, I do not value intelligence in women as much as other men but I am not going to deal with a stupid woman for long either.

What is relevant from the book is that the #1 thing women care about is provision of resources. Whether or not they admit it, women know that when they are pregnant or with a child, they are going to have to be reliant on a man and need a provider. So when guys mention looks is what women want, that is what they want when they are having fun and impressing their sorority sisters. It is different when they are serious and want a family.

The second thing I learned is that women do not truly care if men are out having sex with other women if it does not interfere with their base resource needs. There is a basis then to the notion of "Honey, she means nothing to me. ".

The third relevant thing from the book is that women looking for sugar daddies are looking for the exact same characteristics in them as they are their mates. There was an oft mentioned line from other guys, "Quit spending money on the women and see how long they stay". My counter would be, "And how long do you think I am going to stay if she quits fucking me?" For me, a woman fucking me and my providing for an in demand woman are givens; they are bare minimums.

Point is that sugar baby that you think is just interested in your money is often interested in you. Early on, I thought these hot sugar babies were out of my reach when in fact, almost all would have gotten serious with me if I indicated that I wanted that.

So to get what you want, here is what I have learned and suggest.

You get a prenup and like the divorce lawyer in the video Steve shared, you divvy assets, debt, and income in three ways: mine, hers, and ours. You make it 1000% certain to stipulate she gets her income and you get yours. With children, you consult your state laws and keep that in line with child support laws, and agreeing on no alimony is a no-brainer. You also agree to be divorced in a place where prenups are strictly enforced, I. E. Not California.

Now chances are you are going to be donating a lot from your pot to the ours pot. That is fine, but do not give her a credit card where it makes it seem like everything is free. Make her ask. By making her ask, it puts the question in her head, "And what if he says no?" It also holds her accountable for not over spending. She will spend a lot less if she has to ask. The same rule applies to the kids.

Men have been gutted by government in the sense that without a prenup, women and kids are told that government will beat dad up for money if he doesn't take care of you. I think if mom knows she is going to be in much worse shape financially and the kids know that too, the kids will like you. Again, some rebellion is to be expected but I think the reason so many kids rebel is that agencies like CPS and their mothers tell them that they can do so with little or no consequences. This is where feminism and the we don't need no men attitude has totally failed. When you alienate fathers, the children are worse off by every metric.

If you are going to do the benefit to society of having children, and it is a societal benefit, than you deserve a good sex life. The only question is how do you thread that needle. On this front, I did it all wrong in my first marriage because I told people in my sphere about my mongering side when married. I was filled with shame and wanted understanding, sympathy ETC. When you are doing that, you are hurting her social market value score, and it is very important that you do not do that to your wife if you are to stay married.

With any woman, if she has a man who is cheating and others knows it and she stays with him, her social score takes a hit. It actually will go up if she leaves you. So you have to preserve that score out of consideration for her, and that means you tell no one about your mongering who even has the remotest possibility of running into her. You keep a burner phone preferably in someone else's name with an email totally unlinked to you and only access your email account when using that phone. Obviously, you keep the phone locked and have it show no messages. And you do what you need to do to prevent your wife getting STDs. Again, if you cheat, make sure you do all you can to preserve her social market score.

If you have an even remotely intelligent woman, she is going to know or be suspicious. If she brings it up, you mention divorce right off the bat. Do not even for a second register shame. You let her know that if she goes down that path, it means divorce.

I had a woman who knew I was married giving me head telling me about how awful it was her BF cheated on her. She did not get the irony. I had a sugar baby claim she was going to "cut her BF's dick off" if she found out he was cheating on her. You should have seen her stammer out the lamest of excuses when I said, "But you just fucked me". It just shows you how devoid of responsibility women are in the USA.

The point is AP that what you want and think is selfish is anything but. Having a wife you support is selfless. Having children is selfless and benefits society. Why the fuck is it normal that you are not allowed to be happy when you are giving so much? Men wanting a good sex life does not mean we are pigs. The most messed up part in my whole journey was I had to go to fucking Colombia to find a woman who understood the importance of having a good sex life.

IMO many if not most of societal ills today are society demonizing men's sexual desires versus understanding them. No one today suggests that it could possibly be women's fault that men stray. Just remember that SB saying "I will cut my BFs dick off" right after fucking me if you ever feel any guilt over wanting to have a good sex life.

[Elvis 2008]

I guess for me, I just can't justify paying hundreds of dollars a month to try and find the proverbial "need in a haystack. " I mean look at the subscription fee to this site, it's $25 a year. Even membership on *** is not over $100 a month. For me, paying that kind of money just to spend hours flipping through and having 2 minute conversations with morons, only hoping I'm going to find a gold mine, doesn't seem like a good value proposition By the way, everybody talks about finding girls on FB. How exactly does one search for chicas on there? What kind of criteria is typically used?

If your attitude is that is the amount you have to pay to get laid, I see your point.

On the other hand, it was well worth it for so many of the sugar babies I had. My first SB was so beautiful her friends compared her to a model. We saw each other every 2 weeks, and she was top three in my life with BJs. I paid her $400 when I saw her, and we would typically have sex twice and spend hours talking. She was giving me lessons on what it was like to be a hot girl.

Some things I learned were just from being around her. I learned how penniless most hot women are. On the other, it was what she said. She said she would never be a stripper because it changes women, and I agree with her. This was also something Freddie the brothel owner said too. If you stay in the hooker or stripper business longer than a year, you are changed for life. It changes women to only look at men as marks and not as people.

Around this time, the book the Game was written and the author recommended negging, giving compliments that make a women feel badly like, "That is last year's style, but it looks good on you. " I learned the reason women are ahead of men is they get to see so much more. Anyone who negged this SB was going to get blown out of the water because she had seen it so much. Because women have so many more offers than men, they know the game so much better than we do. I learned that the in demand women have seen all the standard approaches so you had better come up with your own to win them over as I did.

And yeah, there was a huge bump in social status and envy when my friends saw her with me. This was a girl that when we were walking down the street that guys would stop and ask to have a pic with her. I was envious of a different guy whose wife got that kind of attention before and now guys were asking to do it with my girl. And she made sure to let everyone know she was with me.

She was hanging onto me even after she met the right guy. It was at that point I felt like she was a sister or daughter, and my sex drive with her went way down. I eventually broke it off with her for her own good, and she ended up marrying the guy.

This SB was a key influence in my life, and I probably would not be where I am now had I not met her. Our relationship lasted four years, and there is no way I would have met her without seeking. Even now, I have so many female friends from seeking that I could call and chat with, and you just do not get that with hookers.

[Elvis 2008]

That was a very good read. Well written too.

Let me suggest another reason for silence.

Selfishness. I want it all. A happy enough wife. A stable home. Kids that like me.

And oh yeah. I want to get laid by girls less than half my age on the regular.

Just my own selfishness.

I am not sure you are selfish. I was skeptical that I could have a happy sex life with one woman and I think my gal is by far the exception and not the rule. I did not think such a woman existed. In the past, I kept sugar babies because with women I was dating after three months, sex with them was not a priority. I got my needs met with SBs but not GFs. The GFs would put out pussy to attract me and when they thought they had me would pull it back. There is a comedy routine on this very subject in the show Coupling. There are only seven sets of stockings in the whole world and women only wear them when courting a man. But studies show desire does flame out in relationships with women faster than men.

I have recommended the David Buss book The Evolution of Desire many times in other forums because it goes into what men and women truly desire. It is not perfect. I think there are base minimums for men and women. For example, I do not value intelligence in women as much as other men but I am not going to deal with a stupid woman for long either.

What is relevant from the book is that the #1 thing women care about is provision of resources. Whether or not they admit it, women know that when they are pregnant or with a child, they are going to have to be reliant on a man and need a provider. So when guys mention looks is what women want, that is what they want when they are having fun and impressing their sorority sisters. It is different when they are serious and want a family.

The second thing I learned is that women do not truly care if men are out having sex with other women if it does not interfere with their base resource needs. There is a basis then to the notion of "Honey, she means nothing to me. ".

The third relevant thing from the book is that women looking for sugar daddies are looking for the exact same characteristics in them as they are their mates. There was an oft mentioned line from other guys, "Quit spending money on the women and see how long they stay". My counter would be, "And how long do you think I am going to stay if she quits fucking me?" For me, a woman fucking me and my providing for an in demand woman are givens; they are bare minimums.

Point is that sugar baby that you think is just interested in your money is often interested in you. Early on, I thought these hot sugar babies were out of my reach when in fact, almost all would have gotten serious with me if I indicated that I wanted that.

So to get what you want, here is what I have learned and suggest.

You get a prenup and like the divorce lawyer in the video Steve shared, you divvy assets, debt, and income in three ways: mine, hers, and ours. You make it 1000% certain to stipulate she gets her income and you get yours. With children, you consult your state laws and keep that in line with child support laws, and agreeing on no alimony is a no-brainer. You also agree to be divorced in a place where prenups are strictly enforced, I. E. Not California.

Now chances are you are going to be donating a lot from your pot to the ours pot. That is fine, but do not give her a credit card where it makes it seem like everything is free. Make her ask. By making her ask, it puts the question in her head, "And what if he says no?" It also holds her accountable for not over spending. She will spend a lot less if she has to ask. The same rule applies to the kids.

Men have been gutted by government in the sense that without a prenup, women and kids are told that government will beat dad up for money if he doesn't take care of you. I think if mom knows she is going to be in much worse shape financially and the kids know that too, the kids will like you. Again, some rebellion is to be expected but I think the reason so many kids rebel is that agencies like CPS and their mothers tell them that they can do so with little or no consequences. This is where feminism and the we don't need no men attitude has totally failed. When you alienate fathers, the children are worse off by every metric.

If you are going to do the benefit to society of having children, and it is a societal benefit, than you deserve a good sex life. The only question is how do you thread that needle. On this front, I did it all wrong in my first marriage because I told people in my sphere about my mongering side when married. I was filled with shame and wanted understanding, sympathy ETC. When you are doing that, you are hurting her social market value score, and it is very important that you do not do that to your wife if you are to stay married.

With any woman, if she has a man who is cheating and others knows it and she stays with him, her social score takes a hit. It actually will go up if she leaves you. So you have to preserve that score out of consideration for her, and that means you tell no one about your mongering who even has the remotest possibility of running into her. You keep a burner phone preferably in someone else's name with an email totally unlinked to you and only access your email account when using that phone. Obviously, you keep the phone locked and have it show no messages. And you do what you need to do to prevent your wife getting STDs. Again, if you cheat, make sure you do all you can to preserve her social market score.

If you have an even remotely intelligent woman, she is going to know or be suspicious. If she brings it up, you mention divorce right off the bat. Do not even for a second register shame. You let her know that if she goes down that path, it means divorce.

I had a woman who knew I was married giving me head telling me about how awful it was her BF cheated on her. She did not get the irony. I had a sugar baby claim she was going to "cut her BF's dick off" if she found out he was cheating on her. You should have seen her stammer out the lamest of excuses when I said, "But you just fucked me". It just shows you how devoid of responsibility women are in the USA.

The point is AP that what you want and think is selfish is anything but. Having a wife you support is selfless. Having children is selfless and benefits society. Why the fuck is it normal that you are not allowed to be happy when you are giving so much? Men wanting a good sex life does not mean we are pigs. The most messed up part in my whole journey was I had to go to fucking Colombia to find a woman who understood the importance of having a good sex life.

IMO many if not most of societal ills today are society demonizing men's sexual desires versus understanding them. No one today suggests that it could possibly be women's fault that men stray. Just remember that SB saying "I will cut my BFs dick off" right after fucking me if you ever feel any guilt over wanting to have a good sex life.

[Steve 9696]

I guess for me, I just can't justify paying hundreds of dollars a month to try and find the proverbial "need in a haystack. " I mean look at the subscription fee to this site, it's $25 a year. Even membership on *** is not over $100 a month. For me, paying that kind of money just to spend hours flipping through and having 2 minute conversations with morons, only hoping I'm going to find a gold mine, doesn't seem like a good value proposition By the way, everybody talks about finding girls on FB. How exactly does one search for chicas on there? What kind of criteria is typically used?

Yeah to each his own. There is a group of us here that absolutely swear by it. DramaFree. BlueMoon. AmericanPi. Etc. And some like you it's not their cup of tea. Everyone's different. We will just enjoy our little slice of life here.

As far as Facebook I don't think you can find anything in the US. In Medellin however it's a primary hookup method. You just need to make friends with the right guy or two and all their friends are hookers and it's like a viral thing and suddenly you have 200 girls at the ready. Plus since it's not illegal it seems fine to discuss money on FB. It is as easy as easy as finding a girl and saying "200+taxi?" (Pesos of course) and go from there.

[DramaFree11]

What about using it in the States? You're talking about in Mexico. I think the overwhelming majority view here is that it sucks big time in the States.

And what about the white girls? What if you like fucking white women? In any case, a 99.99% fail rate is totally unacceptable to me, as it typically would be with most anything in life. Not worth my time. I'd rather monger where it's all turned around with a 99.99% chance of success in getting what I want. When I want it.

You are correct and I have always said that it is tough in America, but I have had reasonable success. My expectations are lower, in the states. I do not have much extra time now because of work so I, put my energy and resources towards Mexico.

Also, I have made a decision I do not want to be around drugs and that eliminates a large majority of girls on SA in the states. So sad what is happening to our girls.