Rants and WTF are you talking about and Coronavirus!

[David1266]

That's not "discrimination". That's experience! That said, never forget to interact with a person as an individual first and let them show you who and what they are. Excused.

OK I did check the OECD stats, and confirmed the education level (Percentage of people with college degree) in Eastern Europe is much lower than Western Europe in general. Some exceptions exist (Poland is much higher than Italy), but it's true on average. However, This is the tricky part. For example, stats show the education level or IQ of black or Hispanic people in some countries is lower than white people in the same country. But saying a generalized comment like "black people are uneducated and ignorant" is considered as racism by many (especially in US). That's my point. Anyway, I will drop this as this is Sharks thread and not the rant thread. Thank you for your response.

[David1266]

The concepts of Supply and Demand in economics, where excessive supply typically leads to more availability of goods / services and less demand due to fewer buyers, differ from situations where individuals pay more due to a lack of information. In the economic theory, an abundance of supply usually results in increased availability of goods or services in the market, coupled with reduced demand as the number of buyers decreases. However, in the context described, the supply remains constant, specifically the number of girls in the FKK on a particular day.

It is not uncommon for individuals to pay varying amounts for the same girl providing the same level of service, with the discrepancy attributed to differences in information. Additionally, when it comes to occasional or once-in-a-lifetime events, people tend to be less price-sensitive. It's important to note that the Efficient Market Hypothesis (EMH) may not always hold true, especially when there is asymmetrical information, challenging the assumption of perfect market efficiency.

Thanks for your argument, but I am stopping here before Admin intervenes because this is Sharks thread and not the Rant thread.

[Adindas]

Economically speaking, they are not "ruining the market". In normal free market, it's quite natural that rich buyer pay more than poor buyer, and popular girl get paid more than less popular girl. Supply and Demand determine the price. The fixed price system at low price (50 E /30 mins) for all girls and all men is anti-market and socialism price system. Of course, I prefer 50 E /30 m, but I am also a free market supporter.

The concepts of Supply and Demand in economics, where excessive supply typically leads to more availability of goods / services and less demand due to fewer buyers, differ from situations where individuals pay more due to a lack of information. In the economic theory, an abundance of supply usually results in increased availability of goods or services in the market, coupled with reduced demand as the number of buyers decreases. However, in the context described, the supply remains constant, specifically the number of girls in the FKK on a particular day.

It is not uncommon for individuals to pay varying amounts for the same girl providing the same level of service, with the discrepancy attributed to differences in information. Additionally, when it comes to occasional or once-in-a-lifetime events, people tend to be less price-sensitive. It's important to note that the Efficient Market Hypothesis (EMH) may not always hold true, especially when there is asymmetrical information, challenging the assumption of perfect market efficiency.

[The Cane]

Just because they don't realize they are being offensive, that doesn't mean they can't be racist. Lots of racists are oblivious to their own racism.

And don't believe I said anything different from this.

[Neurosynth]

A lot of the eastern European girls are uneducated and ignorant (why they're prostituting in the first place) and won't hesitate to use racist language. Being "politically correct" never took hold in the east like it did in the west. Thing is they may say something and not even realize they're being offensive to the other person.

Just because they don't realize they are being offensive, that doesn't mean they can't be racist. Lots of racists are oblivious to their own racism.

[Sirioja]

In FKK, many WGs call Black chocolate and Asians China or panda, is it racism? When EE countries are very nationalist and I doubt a Black or Asian would be welcome in most families. Most WGs are low level educated, most clever Romanians or Germans don t work in brothels. Staff are about same level, security most often coming from EE. I find Sharks desk really improved and management improved club. Pity girls value for money is not on same level now at Sharks.

[The Cane]

Excuse me, this is a discrimination against Eastern European women. I actually think that many girls at FKK are smartest. Popular girls make far more money than doctors or lawyers in Romania, Moldova without a college degree. I also dislike the word "little Romanian" some people use which sounds a little derogatory.

That's not "discrimination". That's experience! That said, never forget to interact with a person as an individual first and let them show you who and what they are. Excused.

[David1266]

A lot of the eastern European girls are uneducated and ignorant (why they're prostituting in the first place) and won't hesitate to use racist language. Being "politically correct" never took hold in the east like it did in the west. Thing is they may say something and not even realize they're being offensive to the other person.

Excuse me, this is a discrimination against Eastern European women. I actually think that many girls at FKK are smartest. Popular girls make far more money than doctors or lawyers in Romania, Moldova without a college degree. I also dislike the word "little Romanian" some people use which sounds a little derogatory.

[Adindas]

The same thing happens to non-asians in Asia. If one looks around and see some people that do not look like others it is easy for them to assume that they are not regulars and easy to take advantage of. Lot's of girls don't see black people. That's racist too.

Also, it's an FKK, not a classy establishment. The chances of encountering someone that is not "politically correct" is much much higher. Paying for sex like this isn't exactly "politically correct" to start with (regardless of what politicians actually do).

In the end, the girls just want money. Same as the staff, they just want to collect the entry fee and not be bothered.

The details of what actually happened arent clear and likely will never be clear since only one side is reported.

Utter tosh. The only politically correct in places like FKKs, other entertainment venues, and brothels revolves around financial interests and power dynamics. Play your game with Money you should be in control if your upper head is ruling rather than the other head.

If you happen to be an Middle age East/South East Asians, you're often perceived as a lucrative target by the sharks, attracting opportunists aiming to exploit you for monetary gain. The question arises: who perpetuates this stereotype? Blame all of that to the predecessors who create this perception thinking they are in Tokyo, Singapore, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Macau, Seoul etc, willing to pay whatever they have been asked to pay. These are the type of people who actually ruin the market. For them it is not a problem as it is only a one off occasion or even once in a lifetime.

Therefore, it's advisable not to be too nice and recognize it purely as a business transaction. If you're not comfortable with the situation, it's best to distance yourself. Don't invest time in conversation that could potentially lead to verbal abuse.

[Enphl]

First of all, I don't believe that's true. That you're more likely to meet somebody who's no pc just because it's an FKK. You're letting hypocritical puritan society control how you think about it. That prostitution is always bad. I don't agree. And second, the fact that one is paying for sex has no bearing on how two people choose to treat one other. They can choose to be respectful towards each other or not. The Golden Rule. Treat people how you yourself want to be treated. It works.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the first point, (that you are more likely to meet someone who is not "PC" in a FKK / brothel (ie FKK Palace) as compared to a "classy establishment" (ie. Buckingham Palace). As for the rest of what you said, I didn't say / mean that.

As for the OP who knows what actually happened, but I don't believe the staff is there to enforce all verbal contracts.

[BackpackBrian]

What happened with that law?

My first visits were before the law. The good old days. Then, I remember reading the law. I'd ask every girl I was interested in about BBBJ (and CIM) and some would do it and some would not. Some for extra, some not. (I usually want CIM because their tiny thick condoms never work out for me. But in times I didn't need it, some would only charge me the base rate).

Then, it was like every girl did it again and would be like "ofcourse" when I asked.

Did the law get repealed?

The law still exists and more and more women are informed about it as time goes on. Remember, lots of these women are uneducated so reading or understanding their rights with this law took some. You weren't going to see an immediate change the day after the law passed. There are now offices of militant fem-nazi women who go around educating the hookers on their rights.

Secondly, you have to understand what the law changed.

1. Made it illegal not to use a condom.

2. All girls entering a FKK now have to register as a sex worker with the German Gov't.

3. Clubs cannot set any rules or price controls between the sex worker and the punter.

So, the girls will still give BBBJ's and the guys will still want it. Within a short time after the law was passed the girls used the law as an excuse for an upsell of $50 extra for BBBJ and as most guys want the BBBJ and most of us are accustomed to it and have been for 15+ years, the girls over time just started to raise the basic price to $100 saying that it includes a BBBJ. Many of the girls in Sharks will still tell you "basic" service (BJ w / condom) is still $50 but they might not mention it or even bring it up unless you ask or tell them you want the BJ with a condom. And if you're a newbie and you don't say you want BBBJ when she quotes you $100 and she doesn't mention her $100 service including a BBBJ, she'll give you a BJ w / a condom in the room and then try and upsell you for another $50 for the BBBJ if you bring it up while she's in the middle of the act itself.

The price control part of the law really destroyed the working relationship between the 2 parties because the clubs (prior to 2017) could enforce the $50 for basic (BBBJ+sex) and if I got into the room and the girl tried to use a condom for the BJ I would either walk out or tell her to do the job w / out a condom. There was never any issue and never any upsell for that service. Other services were always and will always be a upsell charge, but I never asked for those additional services.

The other destructive aspect of the law was the registration with the Gov't. Now, we don't see any college girls or weekend warriors who need extra cash! Now, the only women we see in the clubs are the hardened professional working girls who don't care that they're registered with the Gov't.

[The Cane]

I do congratulate him for standing up to something inappropriate if that actually happened. I think it helps to realize that a bouncer is paid to be intimidating. They are managing a situation. Apparently, they were not siding with this gentleman. Personally, I suspect the scenario is fabricated because I don't believe everything I read on the internet.

Why do you think that? Solely because you read it on the internet? I believe it 100% because the same kind of thing has happened to me at least twice in Europe. Once at World in Germany and once at BumsAlp (called something else now) in Switzerland. Each time these girls said what they said (one a gypsy looking Bulgarian and one a blonde Moldovan), they actually had approached me and wanted to fuck, so it was clear they weren't trying to be offensive. But they were in fact being very offensive per my American culture. I wasn't interested in the Bulgarian, but the Moldovan was hot, and clearly didn't know what she was saying would be considered so offensive in the United States (or at least she didn't particularly care one way or the other). So, what did I do? I took her to the room and fucked the cowboy shit out of her! That's what. And while I fucked her? I made her repeat her offensive, racist language while I dicked her down hard! LOLOLOL! That's how I chose to handle it. Say you like this @#%&+@ dick! LMFAO! I didn't get mad, but plenty of people would have. The Bulgarian, I just ignored her. But the point is that this kind of thing is real, and it happens to people all the time in real life. Every single day. This discussion reminds me some of people who claim there is no discrimination because it doesn't happen to them (not that you were saying that). Well, that's the nature of discrimination! It happens to some and not to others. And for those it doesn't happen to, they should not be so quick to deny the lived experiences of other people. And I'm here to testify.

[Long420]

I am also Asian American, I was in Sharks for a week in August this year, I had a great time, and face zero racism, I did had 1 that tried to charge me more and refused her.

It sounds like you are new? The girls at the front bar are known as the Asian hunters, I even spoke with a few German guest that even stated that.

Next time, take your time, speak with locals, they will tell you who is bad and who is not. There is plenty of time in FKK, no rush, only rush are the girls that are desperate, desperate people are the worst.

Being Asian is an automatic fuck over, try being middle age and Asian, which is a double fuck for me. I have made friends in FKK, I only made with a few to say Hi, FKK is a great place to meet people. Met a wonderful at gentlemen at Palace, Sharks and another gentleman at Golden Gate whom speak on What's App from time to time.

But I have a 1 terrible regret, and it cannot be avoided it, we are not RESPECTED. Being Asian we do not get the same respect as the other races, rather you are German or not. I have seen all race given mutual respect, the time to chat, etc. Sadly, we are just dollar signs and rushed out.

When you go to FKK, always ask what are the services you include in the price. Try to find a connection, do they give their time when speaking, do they show any respect.

I have experience in FKKs, some girls try to cheat and it happens. I am talking about this racist behaviour from the club which is unacceptable. I say no to these clubs now.

[Long420]

I am also Asian American, I was in Sharks for a week in August this year, I had a great time, and face zero racism, I did had 1 that tried to charge me more and refused her.

It sounds like you are new? The girls at the front bar are known as the Asian hunters, I even spoke with a few German guest that even stated that.

Next time, take your time, speak with locals, they will tell you who is bad and who is not. There is plenty of time in FKK, no rush, only rush are the girls that are desperate, desperate people are the worst.

Being Asian is an automatic fuck over, try being middle age and Asian, which is a double fuck for me. I have made friends in FKK, I only made with a few to say Hi, FKK is a great place to meet people. Met a wonderful at gentlemen at Palace, Sharks and another gentleman at Golden Gate whom speak on What's App from time to time.

But I have a 1 terrible regret, and it cannot be avoided it, we are not RESPECTED. Being Asian we do not get the same respect as the other races, rather you are German or not. I have seen all race given mutual respect, the time to chat, etc. Sadly, we are just dollar signs and rushed out.

When you go to FKK, always ask what are the services you include in the price. Try to find a connection, do they give their time when speaking, do they show any respect.

I have experience in FKKs, some girls try to cheat and it happens. I am talking about this racist behavior from the club which is unacceptable. I say no to these clubs now. Say not to racist club.

[Enphl]

... Being Asian we do not get the same respect as the other races, rather you are German or not...

The same thing happens to non-asians in Asia. If one looks around and see some people that do not look like others it is easy for them to assume that they are not regulars and easy to take advantage of. Lot's of girls don't see black people. That's racist too.

A lot of the eastern European girls are uneducated and ignorant (why they're prostituting in the first place) and won't hesitate to use racist language. Being "politically correct" never took hold in the east like it did in the west. Thing is they may say something and not even realize they're being offensive to the other person.

Also, it's an FKK, not a classy establishment. The chances of encountering someone that is not "politically correct" is much much higher. Paying for sex like this isn't exactly "politically correct" to start with (regardless of what politicians actually do).

In the end, the girls just want money. Same as the staff, they just want to collect the entry fee and not be bothered.

The details of what actually happened arent clear and likely will never be clear since only one side is reported.