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[SubCmdr]

The quote" lonely guy sponsor" is only getting nothing in the mind of individuals who are totally into themselves and see the point of the giving of money where they do get a direct tangible benefit. Those individuals are called scrooge or grinch. I like to call them alligator arms. The have a poverty mentality and see scarcity everywhere they look.

What is the mean of the world gift: a thing given willing to someone without payment.

In other words there are individuals who advocate not giving gifts. That is fine if the individual does not want to give gifts. My problem with such individuals is that they advocate that others should not give them either.

Like the guy who does not goto Beach Road, has only done BBFS all over Thailand for the last 14 years and buy 40 LDs it all comes down to a matter of preference. When they start telling others that they should only be doing what they do they have crossed the line. You either believe in personal preferences or you don't. If you believe in personal preferences you state your and you go on about your business. You do not engage in endless back and forth over why you think your choices and preferences are superior to everyone else's.

I know girls that have sponsors and I see what the "lonely guys" get for their sponsorship money. Whereas the guys that are saying all sponsors are losers or simps will take prostitutes out to dinner or on trips. Not just on trips in Thailand but out of the country. If they like it then I love it. But I'm not doing that shit.

If I take a girl out to dinner or on a trip, I will handle the expenses. But I am not paying her to accompany me. IMO, there are to many regular girls who would love to spend time with me like that without requiring payment. They know they have to give something up to get something. Quid pro quo.

Those who are worried about how much money others are spending are individuals who don't have much money to spend themselves. I know this because I've been around truly rich people. They do not prestige signal by writing things like "they have a lot of money laying around" or I have 3 condos and buy 40 drinks. LOL!

I am not going to explain what sponsors get. Because the individual that thinks it is nothing have closed their mind to it and probably do not even know what it means to give a gift. Just one man's opinion. So let's say I give a monthly stipend to a girl that I like. Pay for her hair, nails and give here gifts of clothes, perfume, food ect. Am I a looser? Am I a simp?

My time, my money, my dick, my call

Please note that anyone is free to answer the questions. But know up front that I really don't give a fuck what you think. Most of you who oppose the giving of gifts are a bunch of busted, broke mother fuckers. I don't get along well with people like that.

[LocalExplorer]

OK, so this is part 2 of the curious types of customers you can meet in Pattaya.

The Dumb Farang. This is more of a stereotype that working girls have, but it's a persistent one. You will be classified in this group for sure if you seem lost, don't understand basic concepts such as barfine, you look at the receipt basket itself with amazement ("what is this? Or you say it's your first time in Pattaya. But you can also get this "distinction" if you accept a clearly overpriced ST or any other service, you don't look at the receipt carefully (pretend to study each one even if you don't care) or you don't indicate to the girl you don't quite believe her obviously made-up stories. Or you might simply be having way too much fun. Once you're marked as "dumb farang", the girl and her friends will work to fleece you out of as much money as possible.

This is why I almost never accept situations, where a girl gets herself an LD I didn't agree to. It's not about money yet, but if I let it slide I'll be marked and the girl will try to immediately do the the same thing but at a larger scale. I turn serious, I finish my drink, I pay up and leave without delay, unless I know the girl a bit, then sometimes I'll give a second chance. I just make sure she really knows what my opinion of the situation is. But real-life dumb farangs do exist, I've seen a few younger guys (early 30's?) who seemed to be OK with absolutely anything the girls suggested to them.

The Old Farang. Mainly the resident ones. Stereotypically cheap charlies, often branded somewhat disparagingly "balloon chasers", because one of their favorite pastimes is said to be looking for bars with balloons. This type of decoration signals a (birthday) party: discounted drinks, and free or very discounted food. As I mentioned before, quite a few of them frequent Stunners (the gogo) and Windmill (old venue, top floor). But the most popular area for them is Soi Pothole (Soi Chaiyapoon), and especially Maggie Mays. One weekday I popped in, it was absolutely packed with white men 60+, obviously living locally, and the atmosphere was great. It was so full, there was only one girl who wasn't drinking with the customers.

Young Farang Couple in a gogo. Rare thing, but I've seen this twice in Kink. I talked to one of the couples, early 20's, they were from Germany, although the girl met all my stereotypes of a blonde Australian. They were buying some LDs, the guy got a few very enthusiastic lap dances from one of the dancers, while the German girl was not wearing underwear. She stuck her butt out and lifted her skirt to demonstrate that to the dancers. I could feel she was trying to build up the courage to do and show more, but I got bored after a few minutes. The other couple was just watching and bought an LD or two.

Farang with a Thai wife (in a gogo) - I've seen this 2 or 3 times in Kink: a white guy with a Thai wife, ordering LDs but no touching by the man. Once I noticed the wife went to the toilet, so I started teasing the older gentleman that he should use the time and get really naughty with the dancer (way hotter than the wife). The suggestion seemed to be absolutely torturing him! He was waving his hands and shouting in exasperation "I can't! I can't! My wife! My wife will kill me! You don't know her! She'll kill me! ". It was pretty hilarious! Kink always delivers. Might not be the entertainment I expected, but it's definitely the entertainment I deserved!

[Allover]

Even though this was to take effect today people are landing in Thailand only to get 30 day stamps.

Unbelievable. The change to 60 days is one of the few Thai regulation changes that is easy to understand.

[SubCmdr]

It is easy to tell the guys who are on here to try to boost their ego among a bunch of anonymous mongers. They post stuff like - I bang only the hottest girls in (insert name of country or brothel) or all the girls give me BBFS. Posting stuff like that makes them feel good. I suspect that those guys are the losers among us.

Agreed

Had no idea there were 2000 baht Beach Road girls.

Why would you? No one except for me hires prostitutes from Beach Road. You see all prostitutes renting their pussies all over Pattaya except for the the ones on Beach Road are high quality and worthy of the upper class monger we have posting up in her.

Yes, I have been quoted 2000 THB on Beach Road and they would not take 1500 THB. Might have been me. Don't worry about it because there are enough 1000 THB girls that are serviceable for me. Plus I have my repeats. There is a poster with a low post count that thinks I am the only man who goes with Beach Road girls. I am telling you from first hand experience that the last time I grabbed a Princess standing under a Palm Tree on Beach Road we had to wait in line for a room at The Love Inn. There is a whole lot of fucking going one in there.

Let me add some. Just walking around minding your own business and girls will hit on you. While riding a baht bus and girls start talking to you. While eating at S&P and waitress starts flirting with you not for extra tips.

Yes, agreed. I have yet to have a girl hit on me yet. At least not a hot one I was interested in going with. But I did met a hottie on the Baht Bus and related the story here. Was told she was a prostitute. Well she is one of the few girls I met that was not pressed to meet me for a formal date. I lost touch with her when I was banned from Line. She was a smoker. Pretty face, tight body and going to massage school.

I always felt it's financially based. Expats retire here 10-20 years ago on a set pension. They retired thinking girls and drink prices would stay the same or the baht would remain weak. Now it's much more expensive so they can't afford to hobby as much or can't afford to hobby where the best looking girls are.

If I don't double my income every ten years I'm doing something wrong. Who does not realize that with inflation being "sticky" and constant that your buying power is slowly eroding over time? Inflation makes speculators out of us all. My 1000 THB prostitutes are going to be charing 2000 THB in ten years. So I got to keep my mind right and put some work in. I so happy to be living in this day and age. So, easy to make money on your screen and your computer.

[SubCmdr]

I am not going to debate this anymore. If you want to fuck those girls, it's your choice. I choose not to.

It was never a debate with you. You presented a false narrative that justified in your mind the reason for not going with girls from Beach Road. When refuted by multiple members it has now become a debate that you will no longer engage in. It is and always has been the choice of the man to spend his money how he wants to and go with who he wants. You of all people should have understood that. You don't want to hear all the reasons why you should not pursue BBFS with your prostitutes.

It's because many of the very active members of this forum aren't active mongers anymore, mainly because of age and health. They're just reliving their best years. That's why there are so many emotional debates with no practical implications whatsoever. Practical actionable posts are so rare. It's also why some people think they know best what is happening because they had a few dozen years of experience (making them 65-75 year old). Also explains why there's so much bitterness. Please note, this is a general remark, I am not talking about anyone specific..

This should be the place where people provide actionable intelligence instead everyone wants to comment on the actions of others. But the truth is most of the posters are truly infrequent visitors to Pattaya. That is ok. Not saying that an individual has to be in Thailand in order to post. But this is the Pattaya Reports thread. There are other threads for casual conversation and being critical of others. Young men out there be aware that I am living my best life right now. I don't need to look back and relive the "glory days" and I have commented on it. Enjoy your life right now. Hope you get to be 65 - 75 years old. I know I do!

My practical answer to the BBFS question: it's your choice and your (high) risk. Relatively few girls will agree to it beforehand, many will agree when you claim to have no condom, many will agree when you offer them extra money in the room, and many will not agree under any circumstances. Exact proportions depend on the venue, the age and experience, and your own personality. If you want BBFS, definitely avoid the girls who mention condoms in the bar / on TF when negotiating. The very unexperienced and the least popular (aka old dogs who get few customers) are your safest bets, but remember these are still bets, you can never be sure.

I have been saying it is each man's choice since I started posting in ISG. Still baffles me why individuals posting here still do not understand this. Still baffles me that people need to comment on the activities of others. Actually my boots on the ground experience with is you simply ask for the sexual services you want from your prostitute. Negotiate. Sometimes a girl will do a switch up on in the room. I have had girls agree to give the ass only to say no in the room. Oh well! I enjoy my session and then I simply don't go with them anymore.

I don't give a fuck what any of you like or don't like. But I do like to read about it because a report from another person may lead me to something I might like. Note that I said report. The back in forth of being critical about the actions of others does nothing for me.

[Turgid]

Can someone tell me why people are making a big deal (looks like bragging to me) about getting BBFS from prostitutes that they are paying to have sex with?......

It is easy to tell the guys who are on here to try to boost their ego among a bunch of anonymous mongers. They post stuff like - I bang only the hottest girls in (insert name of country or brothel) or all the girls give me BBFS. Posting stuff like that makes them feel good. I suspect that those guys are the losers among us.

[LocalExplorer]

Can someone tell me why people are making a big deal (looks like bragging to me) about getting BBFS from prostitutes that they are paying to have sex with?

The prostitute does BBFS as the normal course of business or they do BBFS for an additional charge or they simply don't do BBFS.

You are hiring prostitutes. The job of a prostitute that you hire is to provide the sexual services you desire. If they are not going to provide the sexual services you desire, then you simply do not hire them. I don't understand. Please help a brother out.

Did I miss something here?

LOL, that's a good summary, basically I wrote the same thing. Yes, why do so many people on this forum discuss "do all the women in Pattaya do BBFS or just some of them" instead of "how do I get BBFS in Pattaya"? "Are the prices fair and just" or "will the prices rise by next season" instead of "what are the current prices per venue and venue type"?

Well, rhetorical questions, really.

[EverythingThai]

Can someone tell me why people are making a big deal (looks like bragging to me) about getting BBFS from prostitutes that they are paying to have sex with?

The prostitute does BBFS as the normal course of business or they do BBFS for an additional charge or they simply don't do BBFS.

You are hiring prostitutes. The job of a prostitute that you hire is to provide the sexual services you desire. If they are not going to provide the sexual services you desire, then you simply do not hire them. I don't understand. Please help a brother out.

Did I miss something here?

Because after my post on Pattaya, the guys keep harping on it. It's human nature.

[MassageLover81]

How much a sponsor sends to bar girl largely depends on the earnings of a bar girl, and the income of the sponsor. Or whether the bar girl has other sponsors.

One lady I know gets 30,000 baht to go back to the village. She would probably go for less, because she has a husband in the village. The sponsor knows she has a husband, he's just a simp.

I'm curious, how much do you think bar girls makes on average month? What is the range and rough estimate from low to high?

[UglyAzzMan]

No one is telling a certain Member how to spend his money.

There are a few of us laughing at What he spends his money on- Big Difference. Hahaha.

Imagine buying a Mattel Mickey Mouse watch and trying to convince the world it's a Seiko.

[SubCmdr]

Have you read the DTA between Thailand and the USA? It's online and downloadable. It clearly states that all USA government pensions, and Social Security are exempt from taxes in Thailand. Other forms of income (way too many to detail here) are either taxable in Thailand first with a credit toward USA taxes or are taxable in the USA first with a credit toward Thai taxes.

Yes!

This does not mean that you will not have to file the required forms with the Thailand Revenue Agency if you meet the qualifications and become a "Tax Resident" in Thailand as defined by the law in Thailand (previously covered). Even if there is no tax liability in Thailand there still may be a reporting requirement. I have not received any clear guidance on that issue other than just wait and see.

[EihTooms]

Have you read the DTA between Thailand and the USA? It's online and downloadable. It clearly states that all USA government pensions, and Social Security are exempt from taxes in Thailand. Other forms of income (way too many to detail here) are either taxable in Thailand first with a credit toward USA taxes or are taxable in the USA first with a credit toward Thai taxes.

Excellent info. I will check that out. I rarely if ever have a need to transfer more than the amount of my Social Security / Government Pension from the USA into Thailand in a tax year to cover all my living and recreation expenses with cash. If Thailand honors that DTA as written going forward they should leave me and others in a similar situation alone on the tax issue.

[Houston Player]

I think the jury is still out on whether or not an expat or anyone else who resides in Thailand for more than 180 days in a tax year is considered a Thai "tax" resident rather than merely a Thai resident if their income comes from a country with a Double Taxation Treaty / Agreement with Thailand:

Thailands foreign income tax changes now in force.
April 25, 2024

https://www.internationaltaxreview.c...s-now-in-force

The above site does go on to mention the tax exempt feature referenced by Houston Player and XXL previously. But not with regard to pension and / or Social Security income specifically. Unless that is covered in the terms "income from an employment":

And more on Double Taxation Treaties:

Double Tax Agreements in Thailand.
30/01/2023

https://belaws.com/thailand/double-tax-agreements/

Have you read the DTA between Thailand and the USA? It's online and downloadable. It clearly states that all USA government pensions, and Social Security are exempt from taxes in Thailand. Other forms of income (way too many to detail here) are either taxable in Thailand first with a credit toward USA taxes or are taxable in the USA first with a credit toward Thai taxes.

[SubCmdr]

Can someone tell me why people are making a big deal (looks like bragging to me) about getting BBFS from prostitutes that they are paying to have sex with?

The prostitute does BBFS as the normal course of business or they do BBFS for an additional charge or they simply don't do BBFS.

You are hiring prostitutes. The job of a prostitute that you hire is to provide the sexual services you desire. If they are not going to provide the sexual services you desire, then you simply do not hire them. I don't understand. Please help a brother out.

Did I miss something here?

[Banana Boi]

Just read the visa exempt stamp will increase from 30 to 60 days effective June 1. May need to change my travel dates to Thailand to take advantage of this.

Even though this was to take effect today people are landing in Thailand only to get 30 day stamps.