Tokyo

[David032]

I agree with this 100%. I had to try 10 x as hard as a Japanese guy to get a date with the same girl. So I did. Do not come on strong, that is repulsive. Trying hard means putting effort into yourself, your look, your behavior, your skills and assets. You have to have basic cultural sensitivity to succeed. Be a true gentleman if you want to thrive.

There is no point in even trying to date Japanese women unless you actually prefer them. I do, so that's why I'm willing to try 10 times as hard as most people. I learned Japanese mainly so I can date Japanese women. It's not worth it if you prefer other women.

90% of girls are not even going to consider you an option. Of the 10%, well since I am decent looking but not especially attractive, only 10% of them would even consider me. I can work with that 1%. I use my many other talents and assets. Since I genuinely like women, it is easy for me to have a conversation with many women without the context of expecting anything from them. That's what a gentleman does. I talk to grandmas, guys, anyone where the situation is appropriate. I do not approach grandmas or mothers but the situation comes up naturally. I'm not asking anything from them. If you behave with good manners it's a pleasure. I am confident, well dressed, and behave well so it does not raise alarms with women. Then when occasionally I talk with a woman of the right age who gives me the right signs, I decide if I like her or not and move from there. Be prepared to talk to hundreds of people, some of them women, this way. A person who does it differently than this is just doing nampa and will get what that gets. Go ahead but I don't recommend it and I won't help you.

Next step is to find the right venue where you maximize compatible women to meet so that you are allowed to naturally approach them, such as a club. Do not approach women who have no choice, such as the lady working at Starbucks. Don't be that guy, just do it the right way. As I said, I know a lot of guys aren't sincere so I am not going to give tips on nampa. I know it's going to happen but it's one reason Japanese women don't take foreigners seriously. That's why I suggest Roppongi because at least that's 50-50 GF / nampa where you might actually meet a girlfriend or someone who wants some fun (you are not going to find many girls who 100% want one or the other there). Just don't pretend to be something you're not and hurt someone. That's bad form no matter the country.

Don't take this the wrong way but if you struggled that hard and spoke Japanese the problem might be you. That or your location. Honestly I have dated in Japan and have had none of the issues you mentioned. It got easier as my Japanese got better. You either need to change something with your approach or something. Even with as fat as I am I can go to the HUB in Shibuya and pull something 50% of the time. Me and a friend joke Japan is a steal your girl country. We have both lost count of how many girls who had boyfriend's and we're married hooked up with us with ease.

I have lost count of how many girls working girls I have gotten the number of or dated. The more I read I think your approach to girls might be off.

Now if you walk out expecting girls just to flock with you cause your a foreigner or ganjin yeah not going to happen. But if you go looking with minimal effort you should find something. Hell I am baning a soapland girl for free because she thought I was a nice guy. I went out to grab sushi and a drink one time ended up at karaoke with three girls slept with one.

[Savsiem]

If you like Japanese girls there is a simplier way to get them than being a "gentleman" and having to learn the language.

Just go to Dubai: https://vip-dubai-bunnies.com/girls/...-in-dubai-uae/.

[Traveler X]

Imo being gaijin in Japan is a huge negative, not a positive.

I agree with this 100%. I had to try 10 x as hard as a Japanese guy to get a date with the same girl. So I did. Do not come on strong, that is repulsive. Trying hard means putting effort into yourself, your look, your behavior, your skills and assets. You have to have basic cultural sensitivity to succeed. Be a true gentleman if you want to thrive.

There is no point in even trying to date Japanese women unless you actually prefer them. I do, so that's why I'm willing to try 10 times as hard as most people. I learned Japanese mainly so I can date Japanese women. It's not worth it if you prefer other women.

90% of girls are not even going to consider you an option. Of the 10%, well since I am decent looking but not especially attractive, only 10% of them would even consider me. I can work with that 1%. I use my many other talents and assets. Since I genuinely like women, it is easy for me to have a conversation with many women without the context of expecting anything from them. That's what a gentleman does. I talk to grandmas, guys, anyone where the situation is appropriate. I do not approach grandmas or mothers but the situation comes up naturally. I'm not asking anything from them. If you behave with good manners it's a pleasure. I am confident, well dressed, and behave well so it does not raise alarms with women. Then when occasionally I talk with a woman of the right age who gives me the right signs, I decide if I like her or not and move from there. Be prepared to talk to hundreds of people, some of them women, this way. A person who does it differently than this is just doing nampa and will get what that gets. Go ahead but I don't recommend it and I won't help you.

Next step is to find the right venue where you maximize compatible women to meet so that you are allowed to naturally approach them, such as a club. Do not approach women who have no choice, such as the lady working at Starbucks. Don't be that guy, just do it the right way. As I said, I know a lot of guys aren't sincere so I am not going to give tips on nampa. I know it's going to happen but it's one reason Japanese women don't take foreigners seriously. That's why I suggest Roppongi because at least that's 50-50 GF / nampa where you might actually meet a girlfriend or someone who wants some fun (you are not going to find many girls who 100% want one or the other there). Just don't pretend to be something you're not and hurt someone. That's bad form no matter the country.

[Banana Boi]

What are the chances to get laid in Tokyo for free, with little or no Japanese?

I was going to take a guy an American guy around Japan cause at first he said he loved Japan culture. Then as I talked to him more turns out he had the same misconception you have that he will be able to bang Japanese girls for free because he's American. I rolled my eyes, said he can go ahead and try while I'm enjoying a nice dinner somewhere else. Imo being gaijin in Japan is a huge negative, not a positive.

[Traveler X]

Hello fellow mongers,

What are the chances to get laid in Tokyo for free, with little or no Japanese? I am from Europe, looking in my 30, and decent looking. I have seen many interviews, and Japanese women seem all desperate to date foreigners. Does anyone of you have any free, no pay, experience in Tokyo / Osaka? I'll be there for at least a month.

Thanks.

This is too complicated to explain in one post. If you make the effort and take the time, you can do it. If you don't, then based on what you said you won't. In "30's and decent looking" combined with "no Japanese" means you have to make up for it in time and effort. Even a very charming and attractive European will need to at least try. Unless you are at the right place with the context of pickup being an option (ex. A club area), no women will even talk to you no matter how attractive you are. Whereas at the right place, even a more average looking guy has a chance but no woman is going to be clamoring for him. He has to demonstrate value.

I have very extensive experience dating Japanese women. It is a misconception that "Japanese women seem all desperate to date foreigners" that's total BS. 90% of Japanese women won't touch foreign men and will run. But 10% of Japanese women is 6 million people. But narrowing it down (exclude too young and old, those in secure relationships, etc.) and making the right approach at the right place is everything. It is everything. Find the right girl and focus on her, don't try to put a circle peg in a square hole. Even if a Japanese woman is interested in foreigners, she is probably not interested in you.

For the "just for fun" completely cold approach (walk up to a girl you like) I and my friends had the most success at Roppongi at night around or in the club areas. Friday and Saturday nights have the crowds. I do not want to set unrealistic expectations by talking about our experiences. You see, we made the effort. We made the best of what we had. We demonstrated value. In fact I knew what my friend liked and after chatting with many girls at a club I said to one girl she would like my friend (true). They ended up dating. You cannot force two people to be a match, they are either going to like each other and be each other's "type" or not. Even when you see a guy pick up a girl for fun, there is a mutual benefit that may be hard to see. One way or another that guy is her type or idea of fun.

That friend of mine actually brought along another friend that same night and introduced me. He was very conventionally handsome. However, he was very shy. He was nervous just talking about going to the club (first time). As a result, he got exactly nothing despite me trying several times to get him to talk to a girl I just met. Well, he did get something. The power of experience for next time where he might succeed. Anyways, you have to make the effort! He knew where he was at, he was still young, but he was afraid to talk to women like many of us were when younger. So there you have it, it is not one thing that does it but you have to offer something. I would not say it is easy.

Others might chime in on better ways to just bang for free. It happens all the time but is not easy like guys brag about. I suppose I was looking for girls to bang and also hang out with, so I cared a lot about things like personality and looks. So if your standards are loose there might be clubs that focus just on that. Or online, it works but it takes effort and has its own issues.

There is a difference between "just for fun" and "actually dating" Japanese women. Complete opposite approach. If you are sincere and actually looking for a real girlfriend, you could find them in your friend circle through work, school, hobby. Or go with friends to a club like the ones in Roppongi. At least one if not all of you should be decent at approaching women with the "cold approach" method. I have not tried the "club for sex" method because I don't think I'd meet a girl I'd like there. I don't think you would either. Otherwise there'd be a line out the door. It is a niche.

I have met women "just for sex" but it is not simple or easy. It takes work and practice. There was no formula or steps to follow for that to happen, I met the girl completely naturally. If you are in Japan a month that might never happen. The whole point of paying for play is it is consistent, if there was a reliable way to play for free nobody would pay for it.

Unfortunately most guys aren't sincere so I am reluctant to write a guide. I care about Japanese women believe it or not, they have done more for me than any Western women even knows how. If you are going "just for fun" don't pretend too hard otherwise or you will hurt a girl more. Best if the girl understands you are there for fun, maybe something more could happen, but you are just there "to meet people". Women are not going to bang for nothing unless you are extremely attractive / charming. In that case they are not banging for nothing, either.

The whole reason I go to oppai pubs and p4p is I do not like "dating women for fun" and hurting their feelings by playing with them. As I said, I am not some guy who tricks women into showing me a good time with nothing good enough in return. Me and my other riend have done that unintentionally with our ex girlfriends when young and we don't like it.

[Shamester]

Any suggestions for the best ride sharing and translation apps?

[David032]

Hello fellow mongers,

What are the chances to get laid in Tokyo for free, with little or no Japanese? I am from Europe, looking in my 30, and decent looking. I have seen many interviews, and Japanese women seem all desperate to date foreigners. Does anyone of you have any free, no pay, experience in Tokyo / Osaka? I'll be there for at least a month.

Thanks.

Honestly an incredibly high chance I don't do it any more for two reason one I am old and fat now and two I have entanglements that make it difficult. You want to go to a HUB. It's a known hook up pick up spot. There are couple of other places but I am not familiar with them.

[Incrociatore]

Hello fellow mongers,

What are the chances to get laid in Tokyo for free, with little or no Japanese? I am from Europe, looking in my 30, and decent looking. I have seen many interviews, and Japanese women seem all desperate to date foreigners. Does anyone of you have any free, no pay, experience in Tokyo / Osaka? I'll be there for at least a month.

Thanks.

[Traveler X]

I have been reading the thread, and it seems like there are not many who is like me, a person who is happy with a skilled handjob. It seems that in Shinjuku area, the stablishment "Lovely Hands" is going to satisfy me in that regard?

There are a lot of people like you. You have your choice of a legit Japanese establishment with Japanese girls, or take your chances with Chinese / other girls. I would always recommend the former, you get better service and the latter is usually not a legit establishment and I don't like taking that small chance. Chinese shops are often not labeled or underground (out of an apartment), probably for tax/visa reasons (it is legal to give handjobs for money in Japan, but Chinese shops are often not legal for other reasons)

I have several reasons for no longer getting handjobs that may help set realistic expectations. First, I was just curious and when seeing a Chinese girl I actually found attractive (not that often), I went with her after she approached me. Second, I prefer a cute young girl, no interest in older less attractive women. Only New Hot Point ever had cute young girls in my experience, and they're closed. Last, the best way to get a good handjob or blowjob from a young attractive girl is to just order FS from a young attractive girl in the first place. Preferably a repeat visit to someone you already know. I have my goto place in the US for that. That's why I only care about oppai pubs in Japan. So to set realistic expectations I would mention that not many handjob places have many young cute girls since NHP. But if anyone knows, let me know IMMEDIATELY. I will be first in line.

Never follow a black tout, way too many reports of scams and crimes not just that I've read but have heard of from others and even seen with my own eyes. They hang around specifically tourist-heavy areas and speak English towards foreigners. I suppose many of them must point out actual establishments but those range from non-Japanese to outright scams. But it appears they scam someone every day. So count yourself lucky if you used them and you were the others they actually helped. I just walk past them and ignore them, this is Japan they are smart not to do anything others can see. In the non-RLD districts black touts will direct you to legit foreigner establishments such as Roppongi clubs. That's fine, I'm talking about for example Kabukicho where I have heard they scam someone every day and have read official warnings from Japan and the US consulate about it.

You can see reviews for Lovely Hands online at multiple sites. I have not gone but I see those same sites have accurately reviewed New Hot Point, which I know is great, so no reason to doubt the info. Too bad NHP was closed in 2019 or I would be writing a full page guide on it right now because that is the only place that rivals the oppai pubs. They actually had only hot young girls give the handjobs or blowjobs. Most places have older or regular looking women. I suppose the problem with NHP is every customer was coming for Haruka who is a perfect 10, so when she and her friend retired they just had to close. That's why we can't have nice things with that business model, it is really hard to find a perfect 10 girl who is willing to handjob or blowjob every guy that walks in. What a champ.

If you'd like insight on Chinese massage girls, they call out 'massagu' to people walking by. Most will only give a massage at an actual establishment, a few will give a handjob often at an underground location - an apartment when I tried it. I've tried both. To be clear when a girl says she will give me a massage, she only gives me a massage. When she says she will give me a handjob, she gives me a handjob. Every girl did as promised. I'd say 90% or more girls calling out massagu only give massage. See my Nagoya post for how I know, I speak Chinese almost as well as Japanese.

See my posts in Nagoya for information on Chinese massage girls in Nagoya. I have recent posts too, but there is also a post from 20 years ago I forgot about! It brings a tear to my eye to see how I have moved on from handjobs by strangers to snacking on cute college girls 3 at a go.

Massage girls on the street exist in Yokohama and Tokyo too, in Tokyo I saw many in Roppongi but there's probably a better station I don't know about. Hope someone else can chime in and give a hand!

Attached are photos of Haruka and Lemon and Milk, blowjob/handjob girls from NHP. Girls in their 20s and beautiful. Yes, I really did get my dick sucked by these two girls and several others. In Haruka's case, many many times. It still blows my mind that I was able to all these years later, since I knew other clubs didn't have this (but were much cheaper). I also tried the handjob course as well as the flashlight course. NHP was not actually a handjob club, it was a strip club that offered handjobs. Likewise, in Osaka I went to Hadaka no Ousama which also had decently cute girls that gave blowjobs and let you finger them. That goes to my earlier thesis that you can get cute girls to suck your dick, but you don't go to a blowjob bar to get it (NHP is a strip club, Hadaka is a finger bang club).

I want to be really clear that I would not expect such cute girls if I walked into a handjob club in Japan. At a handjob club I expect an average looking woman, probably mid-30s based on reports of other shops. Please prove me wrong. Let me know immediately so I can go too.

So do not expect these girls below:

[Tommyh80]

I have been reading the thread, and it seems like there are not many who is like me, a person who is happy with a skilled handjob. It seems that in Shinjuku area, the stablishment "Lovely Hands" is going to satisfy me in that regard?

[Traveler X]

Thanks for the response, I am different than most guys LOL cost isn't that big of a deal for me. I have all the cheaper options mapped out if I ever need them. I like the chase and also maybe the ability to do something in the VIP room that normally doesn't happen. From your wording the possiblity is there, but more than likely it would cost extra on top of the VIP room. I might give it a try sometime.

The reason I asked about contact information is because most places out right ban there girls from giving out contact information. So knowing if it's allowed tells me to ask if I decided. Either being blunt or being discreet about it. Don't worry harbor no illusions about getting contact info. I have the contact info for several soapland and deari girls and I know. I message them and see them outside of there service. So my purpose in getting contact info is to attempt to smash outside of the place itself. I am an old hand at this just never tried this because I never thought it could lead to more. But it sounds like there is an opportunity for more.

So yes, VIP is an option for you. The reason I didn't go into more detail on my own experience is it super YMMV what happens, one girl does the exact same service another girl will let you do more. I don't want to recommend something as random as that when I think people are guaranteed a good time going with the normal base course, and it's frankly quite cheap for what you get in my opinion. Believe me, I used to try and date women who weren't anywhere the same league as these girls, not even close. Didn't get a kiss more often than not, not that I'd expect it. Why bother when you can pay to win and just expect it. It is incredibly cheap when you compare that.

I also don't want to spoil a good thing by suggesting to customers to try things they aren't allowed, giving girls who don't want it a hard time over it. They'll just ban foreigners if enough of us do that.

In Nagoya oppai pubs the VIP wasn't ridiculous like in Shinjuku, just a little more. But this was 20 years ago and the simping business model wasn't much a thing back then. Now it is everywhere. Pay just to impress a girl and hope for the best. Rather than say I got more mileage in VIP, what I did was identified the one girl that already gave me high mileage and would clearly give me more in a private VIP, and I took her. That works, and that's the only way I'd recommend. Don't take a girl you like to VIP expecting her to do more, she might not.

Exchanging contact is completely out in the open at Luxe and Housekibako. Completely shameless. I didn't see it in Lester but probably just because I couldn't see other customers where they seated me both times (it's random).

I understand the idea at a soapland, if I exchanged contact with such a girl it would be clear what it was for (or at least what I was trying). She is already having sex with you, so asking her sex elsewhere is cool. Converting a girl who gives light service into full sex is not the same thing. A girl might do that under the table but she probably doesn't.

Keep in mind the whole reason young cute girls gravitate to low mileage bars like girls bars is precisely because they don't want to or have to put out. Oppai pubs are right in the middle of these two extremes but since they are filled with young cute girls the chance is low. And as I pointed out since it is customary here to exchange info, that itself tells you enough. Keep in mind the whole business model attracts stalkers - unlike soapland where they already bang every guy any time any day. So I think it's a waste of time.

Anyways, exchanging info this is a change in trends where yes in the past many shops banned it. But now shops realize if it's going to happen anyways and they can't stop it, they should instead allow or encourage it but train the girls to weaponize it. I woudln't be surprised if a few shops shared credentials with the girls so they can bring in customers. Especially since girls quit all the time. In fact I'm sure a few shops do exactly that, even though most probably don't bother and have the girls do all the baiting. It's basic marketing.

[David032]

I believe every club has a VIP room. VIP is a completely private booth where other customers can't see unless they walk by and peek. So no door but good enough - the perfect balance of safety for the girl and illusion of naughtiness. It costs roughly 3 times as much. Let me work backwards from there and say there is nothing a girl could do to be worth 24000 en for 40 minutes. I have other options for that. In my experience with such things you'd pay 3 times as much and get either exactly the same service (but with privacy) or 2 times the service. Depending on the girl. That's a recipe for disappointment when you pay and get the same exact service sometimes.

It's up to the girl and the staff wouldn't know and it is in their own interest not to know. But my experience with this is some girls will simply give you way better service on the floor than a different girl in a VIP booth. That is way too common. Put your effort in finding a high service girl, than taking some girl you like into VIP and praying she somehow becomes a high service girl. I wouldn't expect it.

Let me point out that at kabakura it's 1/2 the cost and you can't touch the girl, just talk. After all, you are only paying them to talk! So does it make any sense to go to a kabakura and try to kiss the girl and make her go topless? You get thrown out. Just go to an oppai club if you want to do that. So let's take this further. There are literally already clubs where you can touch a girl's bottom parts all you want. Usually butt naked. I went to one called Hadaka no Ousama (the Emperor with no clothes). So it is just a silly thing to try to take an in-between oppai club and then make the girl perform those bottomless services when you aren't paying them to. VIP does not entitle you to anything at all. Go to that next level club instead.

The real purpose if VIP is simping. You show off to a girl how much money you are willing to spend on her, even though she doesn't actually like you. Just want to spell it out real clear there. Believe me, I can spend as much as I like but don't see the appeal of paying a lot more to get a little more, when I could just pay less to get a lot more elsewhere. These clubs count on normal guys walking in and falling in love and spending more than they expect. That's why they offer such cheap intro rates. They know 9 out of 10 guys come in, have fun, and don't come back. That's cool with them. But they're looking for that 1 guy who keeps coming back and dumping all they have on a girl.

Buying a girl a drink is somewhere between 2400 and 2900 depending on a club (at kabakura it was 1400 to 1900). I don't mind doing it if I confirm I like the girl first. For some girls it clearly improves mileage but for others it does not. But by that I mean in most cases they are already high mileage and doing everything I want, so all the more reason for me to buy them a drink! I am not some guy who tricks girls into giving me a good time, if she goes out of her way even though I haven't bought her a drink yet then I am buying her a drink without her even asking. Yes a few girls are simply low mileage, but that is not common and is a sign that she is very new.

At least half of customers don't buy drinks. If you genuinely can't afford it then don't buy the drinks and you will still have fun.

Most girls will give you their contact info, it's all too common now. But the purpose of that is to get you to come back to the club. They are doing it with dozens of other guys. You are not special even if you simp for her. There are multiple simps per girl, remember. Notice how easy it is to get their contact info, that says everything. Even 20 years ago some girl I saw one time sent me a super nice message saying she misses me. I know I saw her but then realize I can't even remember her. Think about that. Do not have illusions.

I find when you really like a girl, suddenly it becomes possible for a girl to trick you into thinking she likes you. Even though it is so obvious to anyone else that she could not. Just don't. Why would an amazingly beautiful 20 year old girl be into you just because you saw her at an oppai club and licked her tits for money. Come on.

Just to be clear only 2 out of 12 girls I saw were amazingly beautiful. The other 10 ranged from cute or conventionally attractive to hot but not quite amazing. No average looking girl or any girl over 24. I'm sure they exist.

So anyways let me warn you how common it is to get a girl's contact info so you lose interest in that idea too. I mean if you like getting a message or three by all means but there are a lot of people where a random LINE message like that showing up on your phone screen would be..inconvenient.

Thanks for the response, I am different than most guys LOL cost isn't that big of a deal for me. I have all the cheaper options mapped out if I ever need them. I like the chase and also maybe the ability to do something in the VIP room that normally doesn't happen. From your wording the possiblity is there, but more than likely it would cost extra on top of the VIP room. I might give it a try sometime.

The reason I asked about contact information is because most places out right ban there girls from giving out contact information. So knowing if it's allowed tells me to ask if I decided. Either being blunt or being discreet about it. Don't worry harbor no illusions about getting contact info. I have the contact info for several soapland and deari girls and I know. I message them and see them outside of there service. So my purpose in getting contact info is to attempt to smash outside of the place itself. I am an old hand at this just never tried this because I never thought it could lead to more. But it sounds like there is an opportunity for more.

[Traveler X]

Thanks for the review of everything in. I live in Japan but haven't tried these clubs yet was curious on Luxe it has a VIP room. Does getting the VIP give you anything extra or is it just litterly a private room. Also have you ever gotten a girls contact and been able to see her outside of the club.

I believe every club has a VIP room. VIP is a completely private booth where other customers can't see unless they walk by and peek. So no door but good enough - the perfect balance of safety for the girl and illusion of naughtiness. It costs roughly 3 times as much. Let me work backwards from there and say there is nothing a girl could do to be worth 24000 en for 40 minutes. I have other options for that. In my experience with such things you'd pay 3 times as much and get either exactly the same service (but with privacy) or 2 times the service. Depending on the girl. That's a recipe for disappointment when you pay and get the same exact service sometimes.

It's up to the girl and the staff wouldn't know and it is in their own interest not to know. But my experience with this is some girls will simply give you way better service on the floor than a different girl in a VIP booth. That is way too common. Put your effort in finding a high service girl, than taking some girl you like into VIP and praying she somehow becomes a high service girl. I wouldn't expect it.

Let me point out that at kabakura it's 1/2 the cost and you can't touch the girl, just talk. After all, you are only paying them to talk! So does it make any sense to go to a kabakura and try to kiss the girl and make her go topless? You get thrown out. Just go to an oppai club if you want to do that. So let's take this further. There are literally already clubs where you can touch a girl's bottom parts all you want. Usually butt naked. I went to one called Hadaka no Ousama (the Emperor with no clothes). So it is just a silly thing to try to take an in-between oppai club and then make the girl perform those bottomless services when you aren't paying them to. VIP does not entitle you to anything at all. Go to that next level club instead.

The real purpose if VIP is simping. You show off to a girl how much money you are willing to spend on her, even though she doesn't actually like you. Just want to spell it out real clear there. Believe me, I can spend as much as I like but don't see the appeal of paying a lot more to get a little more, when I could just pay less to get a lot more elsewhere. These clubs count on normal guys walking in and falling in love and spending more than they expect. That's why they offer such cheap intro rates. They know 9 out of 10 guys come in, have fun, and don't come back. That's cool with them. But they're looking for that 1 guy who keeps coming back and dumping all they have on a girl.

Buying a girl a drink is somewhere between 2400 and 2900 depending on a club (at kabakura it was 1400 to 1900). I don't mind doing it if I confirm I like the girl first. For some girls it clearly improves mileage but for others it does not. But by that I mean in most cases they are already high mileage and doing everything I want, so all the more reason for me to buy them a drink! I am not some guy who tricks girls into giving me a good time, if she goes out of her way even though I haven't bought her a drink yet then I am buying her a drink without her even asking. Yes a few girls are simply low mileage, but that is not common and is a sign that she is very new.

At least half of customers don't buy drinks. If you genuinely can't afford it then don't buy the drinks and you will still have fun.

Most girls will give you their contact info, it's all too common now. But the purpose of that is to get you to come back to the club. They are doing it with dozens of other guys. You are not special even if you simp for her. There are multiple simps per girl, remember. Notice how easy it is to get their contact info, that says everything. Even 20 years ago some girl I saw one time sent me a super nice message saying she misses me. I know I saw her but then realize I can't even remember her. Think about that. Do not have illusions.

I find when you really like a girl, suddenly it becomes possible for a girl to trick you into thinking she likes you. Even though it is so obvious to anyone else that she could not. Just don't. Why would an amazingly beautiful 20 year old girl be into you just because you saw her at an oppai club and licked her tits for money. Come on.

Just to be clear only 2 out of 12 girls I saw were amazingly beautiful. The other 10 ranged from cute or conventionally attractive to hot but not quite amazing. No average looking girl or any girl over 24. I'm sure they exist.

So anyways let me warn you how common it is to get a girl's contact info so you lose interest in that idea too. I mean if you like getting a message or three by all means but there are a lot of people where a random LINE message like that showing up on your phone screen would be..inconvenient.

[David032]

Hi, I've been going Japan 20 for years, my account is actually that old but haven't logged in much. It's time to give back. I will write about oppai pubs first, but not sure how much interest there is so will keep it brief to start.

Shinjuku has the most and best oppai pubs. Translated "breast club", it is typically all-you-can-drink where girls come and sit and chat and you can kiss them or suck on their tits. Ask them to hop on. Other guys around are doing the same, it is semi-private. There are extra charges if you want to buy the girl a drink. The most common rate is for 40 minutes of drinking where 3 girls visit you, so maybe 10 minutes per girl. A typical "promo" rate is 8000 yen for that, discounted to 6000 yen if it is early (8/10pm). So I can have 1-3 beers at a fixed price, obviously the draw is the girl. The system is in contrast to kabakura clubs where you don't touch the girls and you might get 60 minutes for 4000 with 2 girls (cheaper and longer, but no touch just talk).

You can always get the promo rate by going to a "free information booth" in Shinjuku, most info booths are Japanese but these days at least one is English for foreigners. Some girls will give you a 3000 yen discount card for next time, use it if you like them. That discounts off the "regular rate" which varies by when you go. Usually cheaper than promo rate without discount, but then you get that girl on the card if she's working that day.

After 40 minutes you can extend, but the rates vary after that since 6000/8000 are sometimes promo rates to get you in. They have things like vip (pronounced veep) and other options that are much more expensive, for simps. Don't simp for a girl no matter how much you like her. Just see her again instead.

Since it is just breast play and kissing, the girls are generally young and attractive. Plenty of 20-23 year olds. 24 is considered old, I had a girl apologize for being 24. All are conventionally attractive, a few are very beautiful. It is not something you think about much, but girls in their 20's have much nicer skin and much better feeling natural breasts. No contest.

While it is always possible to get a young attractive girl at soapland, more often you are expecting a decent looking girl in her 30's if not MILF. Soapland to me is a novelty but not the main attraction of Japan. I had fun but simply not interested. But I can still answer any questions about them for those interested.

A new club called Leicester (pronounced as-if Lester in Japanese) gives you an idea of the girls working. The photos are real. The girls in-person have much less make up on than the ad, since it is not fun to kiss girls with make up. For example in the banner of girls, the 5th girl from the left with big smile is Uta. She is nice and friendly and quite forward:

https://www.cabaseku.jp/kanto/kabukichou/shop/1537/

I liked Hazuki the most, but girls come and go in this business and I could not get her on my second visit:

https://www.cabaseku.jp/kanto/kabuki...37/girl/93065/

Don't go Leicester unless you can speak some Japanese. Foreigners are allowed if they can speak some Japanese and follow common sense rules. To give you an idea of how new this club is, they just opened two weeks ago. As I said it is a revolving door and it is not uncommon to meet a girl on her first or second day on the job, though most girls are regulars. Be respectful with your words and read her body language, every girl is different.

The most foreigner friendly one I know is Luxe:

https://luxe-shinjuku.jp

At Luxe, most of the staff speak perfect English. Some obviously lived in the US and it is explicitly a foreigner-friendly club. I saw more foreigners than Japanese on a weekday but I'm sure it varies. As such, like all "tourist spots", it does mean it "isn't as good" as the Japanese-only clubs for reasons too long to get into. But I had lots of fun still, and I would recommend it if you have not done oppai pubs before. The girls are cool, every girl is very different, and it's like meeting Asian strippers but you get to kiss and suck on them freely with other people around doing the same to their girl. The girls are obviously used to foreigners here. As with any shop in the world, some girls are high service other girls are low service. Just how it is.

My favorite club is Hosekibako, but like Leicester you should speak enough Japanese to go:

https://www.hosekibako-shinjuku.com

Unfortunately, Hosekibako's site won't let you explore the site and see the girls unless your internet is in Japan. The moment you land in Japan and use hotel or free wifi you can browse freely and see their girls. International roaming does NOT ping you as in Japan for these purposes. You'll know your internet is "in Japan" when you see Japanese ads on your youtube, reddit, etc. It's hilarious.

In my experience, it is more important that you are able to understand Japanese and follow common sense rules, than your own speaking ability. You cannot touch a girl's privates below the waist is the most important rule. Don't be rough with the girls obviously.

I have to keep things brief so some Japanese words. "Free" aka furee is the normal course when you see 3 random girls for 40 minutes, as opposed to "shimei" where you nominate/extend a specific girl you like by name. Before you go in, you gargle your mouth with mouthwash and spit it back into the cup and pour it down the drain. If it's your first time they explain the rules and upcharge options, which is what already I said plus the bare minimum of common sense like don't hurt girls. When you walk in they might ask about otearai which means if you need to use the bathroom. Daijoubu desu means you're good. When you sit they give you a towel and ask about "nomimono" which is what you want to drink. Beer is beeru. VIP is veep, don't pay for that. Most girls will ask if you'll buy them a drink, some guys do some guys don't - if I like a girl I do it's complicated to explain the pros and cons. Know how to ask or signal a girl to hop on you and show you her tits, I managed to ask that with 3 months of Japanese 20 years ago. Make an effort yourself.

If a girl is shy, I ask for permission even though the answer is always yes. If she is forward, just go at it.

I will write more if there is interest, or I can write guides on other shops or cities instead.

Thanks for the review of everything in. I live in Japan but haven't tried these clubs yet was curious on Luxe it has a VIP room. Does getting the VIP give you anything extra or is it just litterly a private room. Also have you ever gotten a girls contact and been able to see her outside of the club.

[Traveler X]

Coming to Tokyo on 16th with family and would like to experience the Oppai Pub. Will be staying in Ikebukuro and would appreciate if any pointers can be provided.

I would prefer the pubs in Ikebukuro if there are any. The Luxe is pretty far and will raise eyebrows.

There is a RLD in Ikebukuro but don't know much about it. However a sure tell is if you see a shop information center like Manzoku. It will say "18 years and up" on curtains so kids can't see inside, and have lots of posters of clubs. Any person in there would know exactly where you could go based on your interest and speaking ability. That's all they do.

The Manzoku info shops make money by introducing you to a shop. They aren't affiliated with the shop, never had a problem with them and they are upfront with accurate info. The pros outweigh the cons in my opinion. Don't talk to black or Chinese touts for sex services in my opinion. I walk past them and ignore them completely so they can focus on the next foreigner.

Anyways, if I went to Housekibako myself without any coupons, I would pay between 6000 to 10000 yen. Manzoku's promo rate is always either as good or better than that, whether 6000 or 8000, and either they walk you to the shop or the shop sends their own guy to pick you up on foot. You might be able to find a slightly better deal online through Housekibako's own website by an online coupon, but there are many hurdles to that so I don't even bother. It turns out that no matter how expensive a club is, every shop honors the Manzoku rate. Once you go to a shop, most girls give you their card which is then going to be slightly cheaper for your 2nd visit. However, for your 3rd visit or if you don't want to use that girls card, you can go through Manzoku again. I was upfront that it's my 2nd time and so was Manzoku when calling the shop and there was no problem (clubs compete against each other so they'd rather have you than not unless they're packed). But I try not to overdo that and go direct to the club if I know their formula rate is just the same as Manzoku.

To your last comment, you probably shouldn't go to the RLD after all. You are only allowed to have 1 problem at a time like "I don't have enough time", "I can't get caught", etc. But not 2 at the same time. You may think you have just enough time but then realize that one girl wore a strong smell that is now all over you and your shirt. 10 out of 12 girls I saw had no smell, 2 did! God damn what do I do now, it's the weirdest thing to think after you just had an amazing time with women. You get the idea.

Wipes from a combini might help with your skin and the smell off your shirt might be gone in 12 to 48 hours if you hide it that long. But as you can see the "I don't have enough time" clashes with "I can't get caught" issue. If it was just one of those two I could tell you the easy solution. Not both!