American Politics

[SubCmdr]

MDS, I quizzed someone on another forum about this, and he repeated the same "2020 was the safest election there ever was" nonsense. The election being stolen is a theory. I asked him what the facts were to support that theory.

Pretty obvious you did not ask me. I return to the source document: The Constitution of the United States of America.

Amendment Twelve to the Constitution was ratified on June 15,1804. It revises and outlines the procedure of how Presidents and Vice Presidents are elected, specifically so that they are elected together.

The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and all persons voted for as Vice-President and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;

Article II Section 1

"The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his office during the term of four years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same term, be elected, as follows: Each state shall appoint, in such manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a number of electors, equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or person holding an office of trust or profit under the United States, shall be appointed an elector."

There is no room in this document for the Supreme Court of the United States to make a ruling like they did. They did not have the right to make the decision. That is a fact. The Constitution of the United States does not allow the Supreme Court to decide who the next President of the United States should be. Especially on a split decision. The mere fact that 7 of the 9 justices decided to hear the case means only that 2 knew and understood the role of the court in this pivotal moment in history. Congress should have impeached the 5 judges who were in the majority.

The 43 president of the United States of America was inappropriately granted the presidency by the United States Supreme Court. They should have stayed out of it. Instead they decided to to pick the next head of the branch of the executive for the United States Government.

Separation of Powers Doctrine

Over the course of our history, the Supreme Court has elaborated on the separation-of-powers doctrine in several cases addressing the three branches of government. At times, the Court has determined that one branchs actions have infringed upon the core functions of another.

https://constitution.congress.gov/br...ALDE_00000031/

There is noting more core than the selection of the President of the United States of America. The Supreme Court violated the Separation of Powers Doctrine when they awarded the presidency to #43. The election was stolen from the American People.

You would hope all Americans would care if this election were rigged, but what I have seen from Democrats is we won so who cares? Given that attitude, it is gong to be up to Republicans to make sure the election is fair. Democrats do not care about having fair elections; they only care if they win.

I did not see any Republican outcry when #43 was elected.

[Xpartan]

I am too lazy to look that far into this particular issue, but lets say you are right even though I believe I read she has the chromosomes and hormone profile of a man and looks extremely masculine and I still 100% believe Olympics is corrupt and controlled by Corporate America, Liberal Media, and Big Tech and they are now doing an all out damage control campaign because they realize how many people like myself will no longer be supporting the Olympics after this last fiasco in a long line of controversies.

But lets say you are right and this was a tragic case of the boy who cried wolf and this guy really is a girl. After the constant trans agenda and for years trying to get trans men to compete against women, stuff like this is going to happen. It's not like this is the first time. Olympics had to do the trans first dinner jesus picture thing to promote their agenda and give a middle finger to all christians. They brought this on themselves and now if its true this Algerian boxer is in fact a female, its the people promoting this in your face strange trans agenda bullshit who are really to blame.

And I support more acceptance for Trans people, there are obviously people born Trans and cannot help who they are. But this agenda has gone so far beyond that, especially trying to give hormones to young kids and giving athlete of the year awards to guys like Bruce Jenner just because he transitions into a female at 60 years old even though he has a family.

Just to be clear, you and tooms support letting Trans men compete against women? This is a huge part of the agenda for Democrats. This is what you support when you support Democrats.

First, your personal opinion about an issue in general doesn't give you the right to accuse people. Your mockery of Khelif was mean-spirited and uncalled for.

Second, up until recently I too held an opinion that trans athletes shouldn't be allowed to compete against women. However, I was presented with real-life facts by another member that changed my opinion. After digging into this some more, I do believe now that this is a non-issue blown way out of proportion by conservative ideologists who grabbed a chance to wind up the troops.

If you weren't lazy, you could find our dialogue somewhere in this thread. But alas.

[EihTooms]

The Biden-KaMaLaaaaahhh recession Shall become a depression if the election is stolen again. A fake president KaMaLaaaahhhh will mean a world economic downturn-- Donald J Trump is our only hope-- We are in the 3rd Act.

Just curious, what do you suppose Trump means when he tells people at his rallies that they don't have to vote because he will "win" anyway?

Trump told his fans they 'don't have to vote' and should 'watch' other voters instead.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trum...o-vote-2023-10

"You don't have to vote, don't worry about voting," he told his New Hampshire fans.

Do you think it might have something to do with this:

These Swing State Election Officials Are Pro-Trump Election Deniers.
Nearly 70 pro-Trump conspiracists are election officials in key battleground counties and they are poised to make a giant mess on Election Day.
July 29, 2024

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...rs-1235069692/

You know, these are the same people who agreed with Trump that it is ok to assassinate his VP for not following his order to steal the 2020 election.

The same Felon Trump, that is, who was convicted 34 times for Conspiracy to Commit Election Fraud in a scheme to improperly influence (STEAL) the 2016 presidential election. And from the same Repub Party that was proven to have stood by and ignored enough blatantly obvious violations of the Voting Rights Act in Florida for GW Bush to steal the 2000 presidential election.

My god. Imagine what a different world we would all be living in if only those 2 elections had not been stolen:

No Attack on 9/11.

No 900+ lies by Bush-Cheney plunging us into 2 Repub counterproductive quagmire wars in the Middle East.

No Financial Crisis.

No two Bear Market Crashes in the broad USA Stock Market.

No $Trillions added to the deficit just to create 1 million fewer jobs with that Repub legislation than without it.

No failed China trade war that plunged the USA Manufacturing and Agriculture Industries into Recession so deep Trump had to issue emergency welfare checks just to keep them afloat.

No Trump's Pandemic.

No one million Americans Mass Murdered and millions more around the globe due to Trump's Pandemic Covid.

No business and school closures.

No Millions upon Millions of jobs wiped out.

No two more Bear Broad Market Crashes in the broad USA Stock Market.

No Inflation.

No skyrocketing costs of rent, food, gas, etc.

Yes, a very different world.

[EihTooms]

Back when I shorted oil, it took a long time for the market to get it right. The term peak oil has been erased from minds like the ridiculous Covid measures. I argued with the peak oil nuts about increasing USA oil production and most of them said it was fake. I looked at the oil workers making a bundle with the new trucks and the like. They knew it was not fake. Eventually, oil went from $100 to $20, and I made huge money but it took a long time.

So the lie is peak oil never happened, and the even bigger one is Biden's astute economic management made up for the economy being shut down 2 years. All that was done was the printing of money, and when you do that, you pay back the debt first via inflation. This recent rally made zero sense to me. How can you rally when the consumer is so much poorer? The answer that was given was AI. AI was going to make things so much more efficient. And that is literally what drove the hype train.

If Treasuries yield 5% market, fair market value is less than that as stocks are riskier. That means a yield at minimum in the stock market should be 6 to 8%, and I would say 8% given the weaker consumer and the likelihood earnings are going down. The current market has a PE of 28 which corresponds to a high 3% yield. The market should be half of what it is right now and probably less than that.

It never made sense but what would trigger a selloff? With oil, the peak oil nuts were shocked when the price of oil went down and Saudi Arabia did not cut production. In this market, I am not sure what the trigger is. Maybe it is Buffett selling so much stock. Maybe it is Nvidia not performing when it came to a delay in releasing the latest AI chip. You never know.

What I told people is you know your going to cause deaths when you shut down the economy and make everyone poorer. You have no clue whether the Covid measures are going to work. If you are a Democratic douche, you think your brilliant monetary management saved the day. You see, Elvis, we could implement the Covid measures and have no economic downturn. No, you douches just have not paid the bill and thank God that bill is coming due now.

We went $10 trillion further in debt due to a virus with 0. 2% mortality and lost trillions more due to decreased economic activity. The Covid plan ranks up there with the worst economic fuckups in our country's history.

"It never made sense but what would trigger a selloff"?

Well, in this case with the solid, stable and improving economy we have under Biden, a mild sell-off like we have had so far is usually due to investors taking out some healthy profits from the multiple All Time Closing Highs we have had in the market recently. Not talking specifically about oil, of course.

Then they use those profits to buy more things. Later, when the market takes note of the good news about more things being bought, that triggers another All Time Closing High or ten in the market.

And so it goes. Been happening that way in good and healthy economies like this one since, well, since the stock market was invented.

But you will see it happening that way much, much more often during Dem economies than under Repub economies. For fairly obvious reasons.

[The Cane]

Back when I shorted oil, it took a long time for the market to get it right. The term peak oil has been erased from minds like the ridiculous Covid measures. I argued with the peak oil nuts about increasing USA oil production and most of them said it was fake. I looked at the oil workers making a bundle with the new trucks and the like. They knew it was not fake. Eventually, oil went from $100 to $20, and I made huge money but it took a long time.

So the lie is peak oil never happened, and the even bigger one is Biden's astute economic management made up for the economy being shut down 2 years. All that was done was the printing of money, and when you do that, you pay back the debt first via inflation. This recent rally made zero sense to me. How can you rally when the consumer is so much poorer? The answer that was given was AI. AI was going to make things so much more efficient. And that is literally what drove the hype train.

If Treasuries yield 5% market, fair market value is less than that as stocks are riskier. That means a yield at minimum in the stock market should be 6 to 8%, and I would say 8% given the weaker consumer and the likelihood earnings are going down. The current market has a PE of 28 which corresponds to a high 3% yield. The market should be half of what it is right now and probably less than that.

It never made sense but what would trigger a selloff? With oil, the peak oil nuts were shocked when the price of oil went down and Saudi Arabia did not cut production. In this market, I am not sure what the trigger is. Maybe it is Buffett selling so much stock. Maybe it is Nvidia not performing when it came to a delay in releasing the latest AI chip. You never know.

What I told people is you know your going to cause deaths when you shut down the economy and make everyone poorer. You have no clue whether the Covid measures are going to work. If you are a Democratic douche, you think your brilliant monetary management saved the day. You see, Elvis, we could implement the Covid measures and have no economic downturn. No, you douches just have not paid the bill and thank God that bill is coming due now.

We went $10 trillion further in debt due to a virus with 0. 2% mortality and lost trillions more due to decreased economic activity. The Covid plan ranks up there with the worst economic fuckups in our country's history.

The market is overvalued, and it's been so for a long, long time. We've been overdue for a major correction, but I'm not sure this is actually it. All I know is that my retirement fund is safe!

[FFlintstone69]

I am too lazy to look that far into this particular issue, but lets say you are right even though I believe I read she has the chromosomes and hormone profile of a man and looks extremely masculine and I still 100% believe Olympics is corrupt and controlled by Corporate America, Liberal Media, and Big Tech and they are now doing an all out damage control campaign because they realize how many people like myself will no longer be supporting the Olympics after this last fiasco in a long line of controversies.

But lets say you are right and this was a tragic case of the boy who cried wolf and this guy really is a girl. After the constant trans agenda and for years trying to get trans men to compete against women, stuff like this is going to happen. It's not like this is the first time. Olympics had to do the trans first dinner jesus picture thing to promote their agenda and give a middle finger to all christians. They brought this on themselves and now if its true this Algerian boxer is in fact a female, its the people promoting this in your face strange trans agenda bullshit who are really to blame.

And I support more acceptance for Trans people, there are obviously people born Trans and cannot help who they are. But this agenda has gone so far beyond that, especially trying to give hormones to young kids and giving athlete of the year awards to guys like Bruce Jenner just because he transitions into a female at 60 years old even though he has a family.

Just to be clear, you and tooms support letting Trans men compete against women? This is a huge part of the agenda for Democrats. This is what you support when you support Democrats.

https://newrepublic.com/post/184271/...-book-unhumans

This looks like a must read for all the great eruditus men on this board ASAP.

[Elvis 2008]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/08...adesh-protests

They better not try cheating again ala 2020.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/07/b...pan-steel.html

MDS, I quizzed someone on another forum about this, and he repeated the same "2020 was the safest election there ever was" nonsense. The election being stolen is a theory. I asked him what the facts were to support that theory. He could not give one. All he could do was launch personal comments about me.

You would hope all Americans would care if this election were rigged, but what I have seen from Democrats is we won so who cares? Given that attitude, it is gong to be up to Republicans to make sure the election is fair. Democrats do not care about having fair elections; they only care if they win.

[Elvis 2008]

Back when I shorted oil, it took a long time for the market to get it right. The term peak oil has been erased from minds like the ridiculous Covid measures. I argued with the peak oil nuts about increasing USA oil production and most of them said it was fake. I looked at the oil workers making a bundle with the new trucks and the like. They knew it was not fake. Eventually, oil went from $100 to $20, and I made huge money but it took a long time.

So the lie is peak oil never happened, and the even bigger one is Biden's astute economic management made up for the economy being shut down 2 years. All that was done was the printing of money, and when you do that, you pay back the debt first via inflation. This recent rally made zero sense to me. How can you rally when the consumer is so much poorer? The answer that was given was AI. AI was going to make things so much more efficient. And that is literally what drove the hype train.

If Treasuries yield 5% market, fair market value is less than that as stocks are riskier. That means a yield at minimum in the stock market should be 6 to 8%, and I would say 8% given the weaker consumer and the likelihood earnings are going down. The current market has a PE of 28 which corresponds to a high 3% yield. The market should be half of what it is right now and probably less than that.

It never made sense but what would trigger a selloff? With oil, the peak oil nuts were shocked when the price of oil went down and Saudi Arabia did not cut production. In this market, I am not sure what the trigger is. Maybe it is Buffett selling so much stock. Maybe it is Nvidia not performing when it came to a delay in releasing the latest AI chip. You never know.

What I told people is you know your going to cause deaths when you shut down the economy and make everyone poorer. You have no clue whether the Covid measures are going to work. If you are a Democratic douche, you think your brilliant monetary management saved the day. You see, Elvis, we could implement the Covid measures and have no economic downturn. No, you douches just have not paid the bill and thank God that bill is coming due now.

We went $10 trillion further in debt due to a virus with 0. 2% mortality and lost trillions more due to decreased economic activity. The Covid plan ranks up there with the worst economic fuckups in our country's history.

[Woodman09]

The Biden-KaMaLaaaaahhh recession Shall become a depression if the election is stolen again. A fake president KaMaLaaaahhhh will mean a world economic downturn-- Donald J Trump is our only hope-- We are in the 3rd Act.

[Elvis 2008]

So this is the world according to QAnon/MAGA conspiracists?

This shows how warped you are. A person posts facts to counter Democratic lies / propaganda and you do not like and so it is QAnon / conspiracy theory. This is why you are a douche. You do not have a single objective cell in you body. Democrats good, Republicans evil.

--Trump is 75% orange, but sees himself as a white man (...kkkk!)
--Trump is 100% an asshole, but thinks he decent human being

Democrats angels, Republicans evil. Orange man bad.

Bottom line is, Obama, Veep Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren are 100% American. Period!

And now you go off the deep end. You are changing the subject which is an admission you lost. And taking this to its logical conclusion. So Trump is not American? Republicans are not? I am not American?

If you feel that way, and obviously you do, YOU are not American! Why not go live in a country with one party? You would be so much happier.

[MarquisdeSade1]

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/08...adesh-protests

They better not try cheating again ala 2020.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/07/b...pan-steel.html

[EihTooms]

I am too lazy to look that far into this particular issue, but lets say you are right even though I believe I read she has the chromosomes and hormone profile of a man and looks extremely masculine and I still 100% believe Olympics is corrupt and controlled by Corporate America, Liberal Media, and Big Tech and they are now doing an all out damage control campaign because they realize how many people like myself will no longer be supporting the Olympics after this last fiasco in a long line of controversies.

But lets say you are right and this was a tragic case of the boy who cried wolf and this guy really is a girl. After the constant trans agenda and for years trying to get trans men to compete against women, stuff like this is going to happen. It's not like this is the first time. Olympics had to do the trans first dinner jesus picture thing to promote their agenda and give a middle finger to all christians. They brought this on themselves and now if its true this Algerian boxer is in fact a female, its the people promoting this in your face strange trans agenda bullshit who are really to blame.

Please provide the link for where Joe Biden or any other Democrat promoted or passed a law or enacted an Executive Order requiring any school or sports organization to violate their already existing rules for separation of men from women's sports or women from men's sports in order to allow "transgender women" to compete in women's sports or "transgender men" to compete in men's sports.

Biden's position on the issue is exactly the same as yours and the same as every other Dem I am aware of. And his Executive Order establishes and maintains that same position as well:

Fact check: Posts criticizing Biden order on gender discrimination lack context.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ts/6686171002/

Transgender athletes at college and Olympic levels

The executive order does not address athletics beyond the mention of discrimination in "school sports." Further, transgender amateur athletes already have policies they must follow in order to compete.
..........
Our ruling: Missing context

The claim that Biden's gender discrimination executive order says transgender women must be allowed to compete on women's teams is MISSING CONTEXT, based on our research. The order protects against discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity and states children should not be "denied access" to "school sports." The The White House said this would include having transgender females play on women's teams. But the posts do not acknowledge that rules for transgender athletes are already in place at the college and Olympic levels, as well as in many states and school districts. Further, it is false to say any educational institution that receives federal funding must add biologically male athletes to teams.

On the Algerian boxer, it is quite possible that the now banned Olympic organization that administered THEIR gender test merely looked for a Y chromosome and it was on that basis the boxer was determined to be "male. ".

However, as you can see, many women, even those with a uterus and the ability to get pregnant, long the dividing line between male and female among strict conservatives, can be tested and shown to possess a Y chromosome:

Can a person with a Y chromosome give birth to a child?

https://www.thetech.org/ask-a-geneti...s/2010/ask352/

[RamDavidson84]

CheckMate has already answered your accusation with the links to related sources, but because some people have deep reading comprehension issues, allow me to pinpoint exactly why anyone with even half a brain would need "more proof than that".

TL; DR.

1. Khelif had been boxing for years without a hitch up until she defeated a Russian rising star Azalia Amineva (previously undefeated).

2. A few days after, Khelif was abruptly disqualified by a shady organization called IBA run by Russian national and Putin's friend Umar Kremlev.

3. Khelif's disqualification meant that Amineva retained her undefeated status.

4. In 2022, after a series of scandals, the IOS permanently banished IBA from the Olympics.

What is the IBA? Governing body behind Olympic boxing storm has Russian ties, troubled history

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/w...oubled-history

I am too lazy to look that far into this particular issue, but lets say you are right even though I believe I read she has the chromosomes and hormone profile of a man and looks extremely masculine and I still 100% believe Olympics is corrupt and controlled by Corporate America, Liberal Media, and Big Tech and they are now doing an all out damage control campaign because they realize how many people like myself will no longer be supporting the Olympics after this last fiasco in a long line of controversies.

But lets say you are right and this was a tragic case of the boy who cried wolf and this guy really is a girl. After the constant trans agenda and for years trying to get trans men to compete against women, stuff like this is going to happen. It's not like this is the first time. Olympics had to do the trans first dinner jesus picture thing to promote their agenda and give a middle finger to all christians. They brought this on themselves and now if its true this Algerian boxer is in fact a female, its the people promoting this in your face strange trans agenda bullshit who are really to blame.

And I support more acceptance for Trans people, there are obviously people born Trans and cannot help who they are. But this agenda has gone so far beyond that, especially trying to give hormones to young kids and giving athlete of the year awards to guys like Bruce Jenner just because he transitions into a female at 60 years old even though he has a family.

Just to be clear, you and tooms support letting Trans men compete against women? This is a huge part of the agenda for Democrats. This is what you support when you support Democrats.

[EihTooms]

If you think Biden did not know, I have a bridge to sell you, but you could say he was too demented to remember. I will buy that.

Ah yes, that is so much better Loony Tooms. It was a search with machine gun carrying FBI agents in plain clothes going through Melania's underwear draw.

And try as you might, you keep missing the main point. Nothing says unity like machine guns and underwear.

Biden knew about it. Trump knew about it. You knew about it. I knew about it. Everyone knew about it.

That is what happens when you admit you have classified documents you shouldn't have, refuse a repeated request for months to return them to the rightful owners, ignore a subpoena to return them for months, instruct others to hide them from the inevitable FBI search to follow, instruct others to kill the videos of the people you instructed to hide them hiding them, are told the FBI search is coming any day now in case you'd like to now hide yourself in a basement Men's Room stall 1,100 miles away so as to "nearly escape death" and then, sure enough, the FBI show up to conduct the search following all of the usual legal requirements and procedures for a safe and effective search.

See how that works?

Nothing says disunity and disaster like endangering the lives and National Security of everyone in the Intel community and everyone in America by doing what that twice Impeached, kicked out of office, violent, cop-attacking, maiming and killing Insurrectionist mob-inciting, former president and now 34 times convicted Felon did regarding those classified documents and everything else he touched, said, did and enacted over the past 9 years.

[Spidy]

I used to think racist meant discriminating against people on the basis of being race. Now racism is prejudice against white.

Obama is 50% white and is called black.

Kamala is 75% white and is calling herself black.

Elizabeth Warren is 100% white and called herself Native American.

The fact that you Democrats keep lying about race shows you are the racist ones.

And Spidy keep going about my being sexist. How is that even possible when you Democratic douches cannot even define what a woman is?

So this is the world according to QAnon/MAGA conspiracists?

--Trump is 75% orange, but sees himself as a white man (...kkkk!)
--Trump is 100% an asshole, but thinks he decent human being

Bottom line is, Obama, Veep Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren are 100% American. Period!