Stupid Shit in Tijuana

[Phordphan]

Anyone has specific answers excluding the blubber we got below? I am curious. It is important to know because the girls and meseros are always saying they are under pressure to pay HK to work there via fechas or other ways, hence extracting more money out of you.

Truth be told, I don't trust what the girls and meseros tell me, nor do I accept the occasional over the top fallacy I read on forums like some posts below.

Love to engage with calm reasonable posters, not delirious ones.

I have heard many different stories from the girls. Personally, I think, being Mexico, that it's a YMMV thing. If management doesn't like a girl, they can impose some kind of quota. If she's a relative, or GF of the manager, or whatever, then she can get away with murder. And all variations in between. The only one I ever heard of that made any sense was when one told me they had to have a certain number of ficha sales before being allowed to go upstairs. That was a long time ago and, as with all the other stories, I had no way to verify the truth.

What I DO know is that they know when the girl sells a ficha. They know what waiter took the order. They know how many each girl sells in a given period. They know when the girl leaves the place, when she checks into the hotel, when she checks out of the hotel, and when she checks back into the club.

Knowing human nature in general, they are NOT collecting all of this information because they are bored and have nothing else to do. So, is it logical to assume they have some kind of quota system, or whatever name you'd like to give it? Yes, it is. Do they? I have no idea.

How does HK make money? They sell beers that wholesale for maybe 25 cents and sell them for $6. They sell pony beers that, from what I have been told by people who work there, are free promotional items, for $13 or whatever the going rate is. Add in liquor sales and that silly wine thing and you have a shitton of money rolling in. Of course, there may be gravy, we don't know. Forcing meseros to pay per day to work? Can't hurt, right? (Assuming it's true). And, technically, the hotel is a separate entity, but we know it's not. $40 for 40 minutes, or whatever they're charging now? Yuge income stream.

This is the way. Buy your product low, sell for astronomical prices, and keep your labor costs to a minimum. We know gringos will pay any price, and tolerate any abuse, if you dangle pussy in front of them. HK understands this, and this is why they make money.

[AgaveBoy]

Anyone has specific answers excluding the blubber we got below? I am curious. It is important to know because the girls and meseros are always saying they are under pressure to pay HK to work there via fechas or other ways, hence extracting more money out of you.

Truth be told, I don't trust what the girls and meseros tell me, nor do I accept the occasional over the top fallacy I read on forums like some posts below.

Love to engage with calm reasonable posters, not delirious ones.

This is a silly thread. Invest in a calculator.

Wholesale cost of beer in MX is about US $1. 50 a liter, which means a little over 50 cents for a 12 ounce bottle. HK charges you $6 for that bottle. Non-alcoholic drinks cost them even less. Check out HK sometime in the morning when they're exchanging empties for a fresh supply and see how many bottles are involved.

Next, think about how much they make from the rooms in Cascadas and Rizo. This stuff isn't hard to figure out.

Anything that they would squeeze out of the meseros and the bargirls is tiny compared to their income stream from drinks and the hotels.

[Huacho]

Anyone has specific answers excluding the blubber we got below? I am curious. It is important to know because the girls and meseros are always saying they are under pressure to pay HK to work there via fechas or other ways, hence extracting more money out of you.

Truth be told, I don't trust what the girls and meseros tell me, nor do I accept the occasional over the top fallacy I read on forums like some posts below.

Love to engage with calm reasonable posters, not delirious ones.

Bars make money by selling beer for more than they paid for it.

[Zenduka1]

LOL. I am still waiting to read how HK make their money without quotas de las fechas.

Anyone has specific answers excluding the blubber we got below? I am curious. It is important to know because the girls and meseros are always saying they are under pressure to pay HK to work there via fechas or other ways, hence extracting more money out of you.

Truth be told, I don't trust what the girls and meseros tell me, nor do I accept the occasional over the top fallacy I read on forums like some posts below.

Love to engage with calm reasonable posters, not delirious ones.

[Sol12]

LOL. I am still waiting to read how HK make their money without quotas de las fechas.

Like I said if you can't walk into HK and understand how they make money you have no business sense so I'm not going to try and teach you.

Might I suggest you take an online business class or just look up "how bars make money".

[Zenduka1]

LOL. I am still waiting to read how HK make their money without quotas de las fechas.

[Zenduka1]

Maybe because English isn't your native language you have trouble reading and understanding what has been written on this subject. Or maybe because you only get information about HK from the internet or videos you have watched instead of being in the club as often as you claim you don't comprehend how HK makes money.

Whatever the reason it's obvious you have no business sense with the mind set that HK can only make money by extorting its employees. Yes they have a goal that they want the employees to reach but no they are not forced to pay if that goal isn't met.

Like I said if you have any knowledge of what this quota is and how much the girls are supposed to pay each day just let us know.

My guess is that you can't provide this information because it's not something you are able to find on the internet or videos and since you have either never been to HK or if you have its only been a few times. So for that you won't add any new information on this matter.

lol. ok. Take it easy old-timer.

[Jackie888]

Just another keyboard coward. So instead of giving details on the lies you write you try to act like some tough guy. The majority of your posts bash HK for whatever reason. So you have your opinion of HK and I have mine. That what this board is about, the only difference is you never back up what you say. So when I call you out on your posts instead of being a man you cry that I'm being some type of HK cop.

Everyone has opinions on this board but many people have personal grievances against clubs, girls or waiters and maybe Tijuana in general so those of us with different opinions are free to challenge them. If I came on here and just always said that girls in the Zona all have HIV do you think others would just let me continue to spread that lie?

And just for the record I never pay more than $500 for a girl to listen to my pathetic old man bullshit. Why do you always need to embellish the truth?

The only rules I have are to be as honest about the Zona as possible. If I have a different opinion or experience I will bring it up. The real question is why are you and so many others so weak that a person you don't know and doesn't know you makes you cry so much? Besides I still remember you and some of the other cowards on this board that would try and police guys here that would go to the Zona during COVID. So I guess it's ok for you to give your opinions to others but when the tables are turned you don't like it.

So you just keep on trying to portray yourself as some tough guy, but the more you try to act tough it only makes you look more pathetic.

Don't bother to reply. You are irrelevant no matter how much you write. No wonder women charge you a hundreds of dollars to listen to your fucking garbage. Welcome of the ignore list. Fucking lonely old men with too much time and no one to talk to.

[Sol12]

If they don't squeeze it out of the girls, by hyping mongers spend money on tiny bottles of drinks they get free, how are then HK making their money?

The way I would incentivize girls to come to my club and make themselves and my club some money, if I can't pimp them, is to force a quota of fechas at some level or another. If this is not the case, how the heck do HK make all that money, something I see not explained here.

As a club owner, If I was one, and I can't force a quota of fechas on the girls what the heck is the girls are good for me. For them to stand around, go arriba and pocket their money? What I is in it for me unless I share that money they make by this way or another? However way I look at it, this argument, HK doesn't force fechas on the girls sounds like it is a pile of hot air.

Maybe because English isn't your native language you have trouble reading and understanding what has been written on this subject. Or maybe because you only get information about HK from the internet or videos you have watched instead of being in the club as often as you claim you don't comprehend how HK makes money.

Whatever the reason it's obvious you have no business sense with the mind set that HK can only make money by extorting its employees. Yes they have a goal that they want the employees to reach but no they are not forced to pay if that goal isn't met.

Like I said if you have any knowledge of what this quota is and how much the girls are supposed to pay each day just let us know.

My guess is that you can't provide this information because it's not something you are able to find on the internet or videos and since you have either never been to HK or if you have its only been a few times. So for that you won't add any new information on this matter.

[Zenduka1]

If they don't squeeze it out of the girls, by hyping mongers spend money on tiny bottles of drinks they get free, how are then HK making their money?

The way I would incentivize girls to come to my club and make themselves and my club some money, if I can't pimp them, is to force a quota of fechas at some level or another. If this is not the case, how the heck do HK make all that money, something I see not explained here.

As a club owner, If I was one, and I can't force a quota of fechas on the girls what the heck is the girls are good for me. For them to stand around, go arriba and pocket their money? What I is in it for me unless I share that money they make by this way or another? However way I look at it, this argument, HK doesn't force fechas on the girls sounds like it is a pile of hot air.

[Sol12]

It sounds like you want to be the fucking Hk Cop again. Why the fuck should you let us police our opinions on HK?

Fuck you if you don't like our opinions.

We're not one of your bitches that you pay $800 to listen to your 8 hours of pathetic old man's bullshit.

We don't have to follow your fucking pathetic rules.

Just another keyboard coward. So instead of giving details on the lies you write you try to act like some tough guy. The majority of your posts bash HK for whatever reason. So you have your opinion of HK and I have mine. That what this board is about, the only difference is you never back up what you say. So when I call you out on your posts instead of being a man you cry that I'm being some type of HK cop.

Everyone has opinions on this board but many people have personal grievances against clubs, girls or waiters and maybe Tijuana in general so those of us with different opinions are free to challenge them. If I came on here and just always said that girls in the Zona all have HIV do you think others would just let me continue to spread that lie?

And just for the record I never pay more than $500 for a girl to listen to my pathetic old man bullshit. Why do you always need to embellish the truth?

The only rules I have are to be as honest about the Zona as possible. If I have a different opinion or experience I will bring it up. The real question is why are you and so many others so weak that a person you don't know and doesn't know you makes you cry so much? Besides I still remember you and some of the other cowards on this board that would try and police guys here that would go to the Zona during COVID. So I guess it's ok for you to give your opinions to others but when the tables are turned you don't like it.

So you just keep on trying to portray yourself as some tough guy, but the more you try to act tough it only makes you look more pathetic.

[Jackie888]

So here's another myth that I've seen in this board with nobody ever giving details. Sorry to say but the waiters don't pay to work at HK. Your welcome to give details on this to prove me wrong. Also when you say someone pays to work somewhere without the price it doesn't help. So technically they might pay a few dollars to cover certain expenses or do they pay hundreds of dollars? Without specifics what does it matter.

Also why would HK pay for a girls health exam? You know how many girls come and go and you think it's HK responsibility to pay for that? If you go get a job at McDonalds you have to take an exam at the health department, guess who's not paying for that? You guessed it McDonalds. Any restaurant you go to the staff that serves you works off tips the business doesn't pay them which is the same as HK. The bartender doesn't work off tips so they have a salary. Same goes for security, you think the are paying to work at HK? So they are going to pay money to risk their lives? What about the doormen out front? They are paying to take the highest risk of all when someone that's upset with HK could just drive by and kill them? Its already happened at other bars so doesn't seem logical to pay for that job.

So for whatever reason you like to portray HK as some sort of villain that takes advantage of everyone but the truth is HK has given many people the opportunity to make a better life for themselves compared to what they'd be able to do at other jobs. My guess is the bad information you get is just disgruntled employees and no matter how good a company treats its employees you will always find those that will complain.

It sounds like you want to be the fucking Hk Cop again. Why the fuck should you let us police our opinions on HK?

Fuck you if you don't like our opinions.

We're not one of your bitches that you pay $800 to listen to your 8 hours of pathetic old man's bullshit.

We don't have to follow your fucking pathetic rules.

[Sol12]

Concerning the payroll register thing, it was just that. A payroll register showing the names of bunches of girls, their hours and pay for that particular pay period. It wasn't exhaustive, it was just enough pages to cover my friend's work. She had to prove income to the gov't when applying for child support. At that point all the girls were considered "employees. " To reiterate, I do not know if things have changed since then. I do know that if they are considered independent contractors then HK is breaking the law. Maybe they can get away with it. Maybe there is a loophole I don't know about. All I know is that if an employer tells you where you need to do your work, and supervises you, and controls your coming and going, you are NOT an independent contractor. I'm particularly sensitive to this because I've been an IC for decades and it's something both I, and the client, have to be careful of.

Concerning the medical thing, I misspoke. I checked with a GF and you don't have to be employed to get health care. What you'll get they called "general" and it's the slowest, and poorest, and scariest care you can get. If you are employed you qualify for IMS, and that's what I meant to say. With IMS your care may not be free, but it's low cost and far better than "general. " This from the horse's mouth.

My chicas tried explaining what bennies are available for single moms but my eyes glazed over. Essentially it was a stipend per month for the mom, and some schools help the kid with free breakfasts and the like. That was about it, no free housing or anything like, or so I was told. It was the qualifications were where my understanding fell apart. It seems there are lots of variables and a lot of women with very small incomes seem to get left out because they still make too much money. I've certainly seen that before in the USA.

Concerning waiters, as I said, I have no experience with them and don't really care because I don't go to hooker bars much anymore, and never to HK. But my source is quite knowledgeable in the scene. They may have to pay, they may not. They sure act like they do, but I don't really have a dog in the fight. IMO HK treats customers like dogshit and I get treated far better at non-zona establishments. But that's another discussion for another thread and another day. Oh, BTW, I never said that the girls had to pay to work there. I had never even heard of that until I read it on this board. LOL.

Well the independent contractor was more of a figure of speech because they come and go freely unlike real employees of HK. Maybe I will refer to them as their own private business working under the umbrella of HK. Similar to a professional athlete.

Yeah the medical is a mess in Tijuana because the low end is junk. I actually see the way the US is going it will end up more like Mexico.

Well for what it's worth I have no dog in the fight with the waiters as well just knowing some for a very long time and occasionally hanging out I was never told they paid to work besides a small fee to cover some expenses like I said. I personally haven't had an issue with poor service in the Zona. I had to scold a few waiters or ask to talk to a manager but nothing outrageous especially when I consider where I am.

It's funny how many things I have never heard of or even consider when I was living in Tijuana but guys in this board do have a lot of time to spend speculating on things especially things that don't matter. This whole subject is lame but I just get tired of guys posting things as fact with no evidence to prove it.

[Phordphan]

Well you are not as pathetic as others on this subject and I have read some of these issues you've brought up in the past on this discussion and I'll give my experience and some clarification of what I mean on certain things.

The reason I look at the girls as independent contractors is that they come and go as the please with unlimited vacation unlike waiters and other actual employees of HK. So whatever time they are working for the club they are expected to work a certain amount but that's part of the privilege to work in the bar. If HK didn't have rules the girls would only work Thursday, Friday and Saturday. So the club requires two days on top of the busiest. That's why I say they are more independent contractors and not a normal employee. In order for them to do business in HK they have to do certain things so if they don't they won't be able to work.

I didn't not know about the payroll register and am confused are you saying your girl received some sort of paperwork that showed her earnings or was it something the bar kept on file? Because when I was with the ex she never had any type of paper work or minimum pay for work. It was all cash the same day for fichas or going upstairs. The same goes for all my friends that hooked up with girls and some that even got married. I've also seen it from her friends that had baby daddy's that let them work but I don't think they would want the bar taking any part of the earnings. Now the club might show them as an employee for social security and maybe health care. I'm not sure where you got the idea that you can't get government medical without being employed. A buddy hooked up with a girl with a kid and she was able to get free health care for being a single mom with no job. Single moms in Mexico have many programs to help them. Also when trying to get a Visa a friend was worried due to the fact that they specifically ask if your had ever been involved in prostitution, so she had to put no. Yet for work she put where she worked in the Zona and was still given the Visa. So I'm not sure what type of background check they do or if the clubs actually keep any real paperwork.

Well again like the others you say they pay with no details, I have spent a lot of time with waiters in the bar and outside with many that I've known for over 20 years and the only time that paying to work was mentioned was the club requirement for them to pitch in to cover a certain club expense. I'm not sure what experience you have with sales jobs involving commission but that's the best way I can explain the job of a waiter. So a salesperson is hired and will make a commission on what is sold with the hopes of working hard they will make big money. Now the business is usually hiring more salespeople than it needs because they want the salespeople working hard to make money and they can weed out those that don't perform. Now those that don't perform won't be fired right away they will be given some time to perform. The business doesn't care about those that don't perform on a short time basis because they are just getting paid minimum wage if they don't hit the commission but over time if they don't perform they will be replaced.

Most waiters I know will build a clientele that works exclusively with them and the waiter knows that they buy drinks so overtime they don't have a problem making the goal set by the club. This is drastically different from the new guys who have to fight and claw for every ficha and these are the ones that annoy most people. That's why I have always said if you have one waiter you work with you won't be bugged. Most guys on here don't like to sit with a girl and drink they might buy one drink at most just to see if the girl is worth taking upstairs. Also in regards to waiters paying to work is most waiters I know have come from smaller bars and eventually get promoted to HK. If they were paying for that job why would they waste time at a smaller bar? I also know a waiter that was working in LC and was forced to move to HK but he wanted to stay in LC because he had his client base and they weren't the type to want to drink in HK. Also I know a waiter that worked in CC who wanted to work in HK and asked me to put in a good word for him. I couldn't do it because I didn't know him that well but on my last visit I ran into him working at HK and he was so happy like he won the lottery to have the job and was showing me pics of him with the manager I know.

The girls are the same as the waiter and I'm not saying that the club doesn't have a goal that they want them to sell but the waiters and the girls aren't having to pay out of pocket if they don't sell a certain amount, of course the bar wants them selling fichas because it makes them money but some girls that go up a lot are also making them money at $40 rooms or even getting guys to pay for rooms because that's all profit, especially when you add in the VIP card that guys pay for to get a discount on an already overpriced room or a free drink that costs the club almost nothing. So yes I agree if a girl is just basically taking up space in the bar and only using the bar to get contacts to see outside the bar they will be weeded out and let go.

Some of the other bars in Mexico will pay the girls for each day worked on top of the commission they make from drinks, and lap dances. These clubs have less clients and need to do more to attract the girls which is also why they charge a cover or drink minimum. If HK was so greedy and was charging waiters and girls each day to work why don't they charge a cover on top of it?

I do appreciate your comments on this matter since your not like the normal "Napoleon Dynamite" types that have commented on this.

Concerning the payroll register thing, it was just that. A payroll register showing the names of bunches of girls, their hours and pay for that particular pay period. It wasn't exhaustive, it was just enough pages to cover my friend's work. She had to prove income to the gov't when applying for child support. At that point all the girls were considered "employees. " To reiterate, I do not know if things have changed since then. I do know that if they are considered independent contractors then HK is breaking the law. Maybe they can get away with it. Maybe there is a loophole I don't know about. All I know is that if an employer tells you where you need to do your work, and supervises you, and controls your coming and going, you are NOT an independent contractor. I'm particularly sensitive to this because I've been an IC for decades and it's something both I, and the client, have to be careful of.

Concerning the medical thing, I misspoke. I checked with a GF and you don't have to be employed to get health care. What you'll get they called "general" and it's the slowest, and poorest, and scariest care you can get. If you are employed you qualify for IMS, and that's what I meant to say. With IMS your care may not be free, but it's low cost and far better than "general. " This from the horse's mouth.

My chicas tried explaining what bennies are available for single moms but my eyes glazed over. Essentially it was a stipend per month for the mom, and some schools help the kid with free breakfasts and the like. That was about it, no free housing or anything like, or so I was told. It was the qualifications were where my understanding fell apart. It seems there are lots of variables and a lot of women with very small incomes seem to get left out because they still make too much money. I've certainly seen that before in the USA.

Concerning waiters, as I said, I have no experience with them and don't really care because I don't go to hooker bars much anymore, and never to HK. But my source is quite knowledgeable in the scene. They may have to pay, they may not. They sure act like they do, but I don't really have a dog in the fight. IMO HK treats customers like dogshit and I get treated far better at non-zona establishments. But that's another discussion for another thread and another day. Oh, BTW, I never said that the girls had to pay to work there. I had never even heard of that until I read it on this board. LOL.

[Sol12]

I am not sure that the girls are independent contractors. Mexican independent contractor law is very similar to that of California. If an individual does work that is directly supervised, and / or they are told when they need to be at work and when they can leave, they are NOT an independent contractor, but an employee. I am way out of the loop now, but some years ago I did see copies of the payroll register that a fave obtained when I was assisting her with child support issues. And, at that time, all of the girls were employees, making a VERY small salary. Probably minimum wage, which at that time was something like 50 pesos per day. This not only got them around the IC laws but allowed the girls to qualify for government medical. You can't get gov't medical care unless you are employed. Perhaps that has changed, and they are no longer employees. But if that is true, HK is violating all kinds of labor laws. Are they big enough to get away with that for years and years? I'm not so sure.

I have no idea if the waiters have to pay to work there, but I have heard from very reliable sources that they, in fact, do pay to work there. Less during the week more on weekends. There is a reason so many meseros try to cheat everybody possible. They are starting their shift in a hole. Nevertheless, I am willing to change my mind.

As far as ficha quotas go, who knows? We've all heard loads of stories. All I know is that the bar keeps track of the fichas, who gets paid for them, and how many each girl sells. They certainly have all the information needed, at their fingertips, to enforce a quota. Do they? I don't know. Personally, I think they look at it from time to time and maybe weed out the ones that aren't selling enough over a period of time.

Well you are not as pathetic as others on this subject and I have read some of these issues you've brought up in the past on this discussion and I'll give my experience and some clarification of what I mean on certain things.

The reason I look at the girls as independent contractors is that they come and go as the please with unlimited vacation unlike waiters and other actual employees of HK. So whatever time they are working for the club they are expected to work a certain amount but that's part of the privilege to work in the bar. If HK didn't have rules the girls would only work Thursday, Friday and Saturday. So the club requires two days on top of the busiest. That's why I say they are more independent contractors and not a normal employee. In order for them to do business in HK they have to do certain things so if they don't they won't be able to work.

I didn't not know about the payroll register and am confused are you saying your girl received some sort of paperwork that showed her earnings or was it something the bar kept on file? Because when I was with the ex she never had any type of paper work or minimum pay for work. It was all cash the same day for fichas or going upstairs. The same goes for all my friends that hooked up with girls and some that even got married. I've also seen it from her friends that had baby daddy's that let them work but I don't think they would want the bar taking any part of the earnings. Now the club might show them as an employee for social security and maybe health care. I'm not sure where you got the idea that you can't get government medical without being employed. A buddy hooked up with a girl with a kid and she was able to get free health care for being a single mom with no job. Single moms in Mexico have many programs to help them. Also when trying to get a Visa a friend was worried due to the fact that they specifically ask if your had ever been involved in prostitution, so she had to put no. Yet for work she put where she worked in the Zona and was still given the Visa. So I'm not sure what type of background check they do or if the clubs actually keep any real paperwork.

Well again like the others you say they pay with no details, I have spent a lot of time with waiters in the bar and outside with many that I've known for over 20 years and the only time that paying to work was mentioned was the club requirement for them to pitch in to cover a certain club expense. I'm not sure what experience you have with sales jobs involving commission but that's the best way I can explain the job of a waiter. So a salesperson is hired and will make a commission on what is sold with the hopes of working hard they will make big money. Now the business is usually hiring more salespeople than it needs because they want the salespeople working hard to make money and they can weed out those that don't perform. Now those that don't perform won't be fired right away they will be given some time to perform. The business doesn't care about those that don't perform on a short time basis because they are just getting paid minimum wage if they don't hit the commission but over time if they don't perform they will be replaced.

Most waiters I know will build a clientele that works exclusively with them and the waiter knows that they buy drinks so overtime they don't have a problem making the goal set by the club. This is drastically different from the new guys who have to fight and claw for every ficha and these are the ones that annoy most people. That's why I have always said if you have one waiter you work with you won't be bugged. Most guys on here don't like to sit with a girl and drink they might buy one drink at most just to see if the girl is worth taking upstairs. Also in regards to waiters paying to work is most waiters I know have come from smaller bars and eventually get promoted to HK. If they were paying for that job why would they waste time at a smaller bar? I also know a waiter that was working in LC and was forced to move to HK but he wanted to stay in LC because he had his client base and they weren't the type to want to drink in HK. Also I know a waiter that worked in CC who wanted to work in HK and asked me to put in a good word for him. I couldn't do it because I didn't know him that well but on my last visit I ran into him working at HK and he was so happy like he won the lottery to have the job and was showing me pics of him with the manager I know.

The girls are the same as the waiter and I'm not saying that the club doesn't have a goal that they want them to sell but the waiters and the girls aren't having to pay out of pocket if they don't sell a certain amount, of course the bar wants them selling fichas because it makes them money but some girls that go up a lot are also making them money at $40 rooms or even getting guys to pay for rooms because that's all profit, especially when you add in the VIP card that guys pay for to get a discount on an already overpriced room or a free drink that costs the club almost nothing. So yes I agree if a girl is just basically taking up space in the bar and only using the bar to get contacts to see outside the bar they will be weeded out and let go.

Some of the other bars in Mexico will pay the girls for each day worked on top of the commission they make from drinks, and lap dances. These clubs have less clients and need to do more to attract the girls which is also why they charge a cover or drink minimum. If HK was so greedy and was charging waiters and girls each day to work why don't they charge a cover on top of it?

I do appreciate your comments on this matter since your not like the normal "Napoleon Dynamite" types that have commented on this.