American Politics

[Tiny 12]

Well, no, I don't remember that. And I suspect nobody else can possibly "remember" it either.

I did a Google Search on the quote, by anyone, but particularly by Barack Obama and nothing associated with Obama came up.

Do you have a link for when and where Barack Obama ever said such a thing to a businessman or to anyone else?

Perhaps you meant these totally accurate statements Barack Obama made about how things actually happen and work in a real world national economy:

"You didn't build that."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_didn%27t_build_that

Did Obama Say, 'If You've Got a Business, You Didn't Build That'?

SPOILER ALERT: No, he didn't.

https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...dnt-build-that

He is a good orator and, more important, he led one of the greatest Dem economic recoveries from one of the several Great Repub Economic Disasters of All Time.

I sarcastically paraphrased Obama. You and other esteemed board members, who are politically knowledgeable, already knew that. If you really think this is some kind of gotcha moment you underestimate the rest of us.

I agree that state and local government have provided infrastructure to help businesses. And mine have done a very good job of it. Sanctimonious prick Barrack Obama and **** ***** Elizabeth Warren (from your link) want to take the credit. And want to play the class warfare card. And pander to the teachers unions who are big supporters of their party. (Aside, I do have high respect for many public teachers.) Well, the Federal government they represent is inefficient and wasteful. It often hurts more than it helps.

The economy would have rebounded nicely after 2009 if McCain and/or Romney were president. The party of the president has little to no effect on GDP growth. The recovery from the 2008/2009 recession was anemic. And that wasn’t Obama’s fault.

[Tiny 12]

As Repubs and the Trump/Vance campaign, continue to toss ad hominem after ad hominem, in a childish, juvenile and sophomoric attacks at the Harris/Walz ticket, to see what will stick and weaken their campaign, it's refreshing to see the other Repubs and their campaign, tell them to "...just STOP already and start talking about real policies and issues with Americans!"

But naturally, like a petulant child dictator, looking to use his "weaved genius" (whatever the fuck that is), and assert himself as the "smartest person in the room", nothing Repubs have tried seems to be working. Duh!

• Which begs the question (as I was again reminded of this analogy, in a most recent post):
  "Is Trump, Lucy and the Republican Party, Charlie Brown?"

For those who knew from the jump, what Trump was all about, have watched and enjoyed the hilarity of it all, as time and time again, they get their hopes up, only to have Trump, dash them away.

While I lampoon their misplaced enthusiasm, the faithless Repubs, right-wing conservative media outlets like FOXY Muse and their relationship to Trump, reminds me of the time-honored iconic scene where Lucy pulls the football, before the affable Charlie Brown, can kick it. That just, NEVER gets old!

But, but, but...this time it's different!:

Every time Repubs and right-wing media thought, "Oh...this time it's different, Trump is finally going to be sooooo presidential, stately and unite the country...etc", Trump would say, tweet or do something so very dumb, divisive, derisive and detrimental, that it would torpedo any goodwill, required unite America or the GOP/Republicans, under a kinder, gentler conservative president.

But inevitably, just like Lucy, time and time again, over and over again, Trump, would yank-away the (proverbial "political presidential") football, from Republicans and dash their last second hopes. Naturally, Trump would AGAIN turn back into the fraudster, racist, charlatan, misogynist, con man and uncontrollable "anti-presidential" man, they so desperately wanted.

Yet strangely enough, just like Charlie Brown, Republicans still appear eager enough, to allow Trump to go on tormenting them, in this agonizing and torturous game of his. Almost makes you think he enjoys torturing the Repubs, like another fictional character, Hanabel Lector (...kkkk!), as we all know, he loves to ramble and drone on about.

But FWIW, I've enjoyed the comedic show, watching the Republican Party, "get egg on their faces", as they proclaim this time is different. But even a win, "this time", it won't stop the "Lucy and Charlie Brown Show" that is Trump vs. Republican Party.

You're Lucy.

[Spidy]

As Repubs and the Trump/Vance campaign, continue to toss ad hominem after ad hominem, in a childish, juvenile and sophomoric attacks at the Harris/Walz ticket, to see what will stick and weaken their campaign, it's refreshing to see the other Repubs and their campaign, tell them to "...just STOP already and start talking about real policies and issues with Americans!"

But naturally, like a petulant child dictator, looking to use his "weaved genius" (whatever the fuck that is), and assert himself as the "smartest person in the room", nothing Repubs have tried seems to be working. Duh!

• Which begs the question (as I was again reminded of this analogy, in a most recent post):
  "Is Trump, Lucy and the Republican Party, Charlie Brown?"

For those who knew from the jump, what Trump was all about, have watched and enjoyed the hilarity of it all, as time and time again, they get their hopes up, only to have Trump, dash them away.

While I lampoon their misplaced enthusiasm, the faithless Repubs, right-wing conservative media outlets like FOXY Muse and their relationship to Trump, reminds me of the time-honored iconic scene where Lucy pulls the football, before the affable Charlie Brown, can kick it. That just, NEVER gets old!

But, but, but...this time it's different!:

Every time Repubs and right-wing media thought, "Oh...this time it's different, Trump is finally going to be sooooo presidential, stately and unite the country...etc", Trump would say, tweet or do something so very dumb, divisive, derisive and detrimental, that it would torpedo any goodwill, required unite America or the GOP/Republicans, under a kinder, gentler conservative president.

But inevitably, just like Lucy, time and time again, over and over again, Trump, would yank-away the (proverbial "political presidential") football, from Republicans and dash their last second hopes. Naturally, Trump would AGAIN turn back into the fraudster, racist, charlatan, misogynist, con man and uncontrollable "anti-presidential" man, they so desperately wanted.

Yet strangely enough, just like Charlie Brown, Republicans still appear eager enough, to allow Trump to go on tormenting them, in this agonizing and torturous game of his. Almost makes you think he enjoys torturing the Repubs, like another fictional character, Hanabel Lector (...kkkk!), as we all know, he loves to ramble and drone on about.

But FWIW, I've enjoyed the comedic show, watching the Republican Party, "get egg on their faces", as they proclaim this time is different. But even a win, "this time", it won't stop the "Lucy and Charlie Brown Show" that is Trump vs. Republican Party.

[Spidy]

Well, no, I don't remember that. And I suspect nobody else can possibly "remember" it either.

I did a Google Search on the quote, by anyone, but particularly by Barack Obama and nothing associated with Obama came up.

Do you have a link for when and where Barack Obama ever said such a thing to a businessman or to anyone else?

Perhaps you meant these totally accurate statements Barack Obama made about how things actually happen and work in a real world national economy:

"You didn't build that."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_didn%27t_build_that

Did Obama Say, 'If You've Got a Business, You Didn't Build That'?

SPOILER ALERT: No, he didn't.

https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...dnt-build-that

He is a good orator and, more important, he led one of the greatest Dem economic recoveries from one of the several Great Repub Economic Disasters of All Time.

Excellent catch!

Is this what Tiny 12, has devolved into? Just misplaced opinions, deception, fake quotes and Trumpian "Jedi mind tricks", where we're all just supposed to believe you when you tell us (...kkkk!)

And yet the million and one dumbest things ever, Trump has ushered about the economy, has hardly ever been mentioned, by ISG's finest "Repub economic geniuses".

Yes, it a long way down the "NO FACTS, NO DATA, just OPINIONS and only OPINIONS" rabbit hole.

PS: Judging by all the chatter surrounding job and job creation, the "Repub economic geniuses", are desperately trying to somehow wrap their heads around how to debunk the undeniable, irrefutable, incontrovertible facts regarding the 50:1 million jobs created by Dems, since 1989 and the other 100 years of job creation you brilliantly demonstrated, here: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...=1#post2939183

[Sirioja]

Preach Brother, Preach!

Trump is crazy and dangerous for our world and for women with neurons. Only Netanyahou need him, when world just need peace.

[SubCmdr]

What did Trump say?

Donald Trump boasted that support for his presidential campaign would not decline even if he shot someone in the middle of a crowded street.
I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldnt lose voters, Trump said at a campaign rally

Trump was a black president we just didn't know it. Mother fucker is straight gangster. Fucking porn stars; Got arrested; Been convicted; Got shot.

You just dont get more gangster than that!

Remember what Barrack Obama told the American businessman, "You didn't create that job, the government did." He may be a good orator, but he's a sanctimonious prick to his core.

A republican president did not do this:

NVDA: 108.02 Up 724.5% since I purchased it. NASDQ has taken a beating lately. You people be fucking up the program. Obama did shit right!.

[Elvis 2008]

Just a passing thought.

It is not a thought Tooms. It is mental masturbation. You are just looking for a Democrats good correlation where one does not exist.

I grew up in union country in the North and in the early 80's. Unemployment was north of 20%. Fast food restaurants had stacks of applications for minimum wage fast food jobs. I went to Texas and there were help wanted signs everywhere. Even now that is the case, and Texas turned from deep blue in the late 70's and early 80's to ruby red.

So what effect did that change of party have? Zilch. Zero. Nada. Nunca. Do you get what I am saying? Texas is a right to work state. You can fire anyone for any reason. In my home state, you can be a horrific union fuckup and keep your job. And because in my home state, you cannot fire anyone, employers are reluctant to hire.

One of the great memes I have seen was why is there is a tax on cigarettes and liquor? The answer is to deter their use. So why is there an income tax then? Yeah, that does a great job of deterring people from working, and Texas does not have an income tax. It is amazing that people want to work more when there is incentive to work.

And for all your talk of "jobs", there is no difference between an employed person doing a shit job versus an unemployed one getting a handout except the employed person can do more harm. As for giving away worthless make work or horrible work jobs, I agree Democrats are better at those handouts. Can you imagine where we would be without the TSA?

The real key, which seems to go over your head, is not whether people have jobs but if they are productive at their jobs.

[EihTooms]

ROTFLMAO! Honestly, almost, after reading the bold text.

Remember what Barrack Obama told the American businessman, "You didn't create that job, the government did." He may be a good orator, but he's a sanctimonious prick to his core.

Well, no, I don't remember that. And I suspect nobody else can possibly "remember" it either.

I did a Google Search on the quote, by anyone, but particularly by Barack Obama and nothing associated with Obama came up.

Do you have a link for when and where Barack Obama ever said such a thing to a businessman or to anyone else?

Perhaps you meant these totally accurate statements Barack Obama made about how things actually happen and work in a real world national economy:

"You didn't build that."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_didn%27t_build_that

The sentence "If you've got a business, you didn't build that" was publicized by his political opponents during the 2012 presidential campaign as an attack by Obama on business and entrepreneurs. The Obama campaign responded that the criticisms were taking the phrase out of context, and the word "that" in the phrase was referring to the construction of "roads and bridges" in the previous sentence.

Fact-checking organizations reported that Obama's remarks were incorrectly used out of context to criticize him.

Did Obama Say, 'If You've Got a Business, You Didn't Build That'?

SPOILER ALERT: No, he didn't.

https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...dnt-build-that

Here's the full context of what he said:

We've already made a trillion dollars' worth of cuts. We can make some more cuts in programs that don't work, and make government work more efficientlyWe can make another trillion or trillion-two, and what we then do is ask for the wealthy to pay a little bit more.
...
There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me, because they want to give something back. They know they didn't -look, if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something - there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business. you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don't do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That's how we funded the GI Bill. That's how we created the middle class. That's how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That's how we invented the Internet. That's how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that's the reason I'm running for president - because I still believe in that idea. You're not on your own, we're in this together."

He is a good orator and, more important, he led one of the greatest Dem economic recoveries from one of the several Great Repub Economic Disasters of All Time.

[Tiny 12]

Be careful you are going to show everyone how dumb Tooms and Spidy are. If I hired anyone in Texas at any time in 12 of the last 16 years except for when Trump was president, it did not matter if Texas was red, or the county was Republican, or the city was Republican. It did not matter if I hired the person or the person dud the work and got the training to do the job.

Nope, the ONLY thing that mattered was who was president when I hired them. I did not create a job. Obama and Biden did! Can you believe how dumb these two are?

But yes, Dems are great at creating worthless government jobs. Hell, we saw what happened when Musk took over Twitter and fired 80% of the staff, and nothing changed. In fact, Twitter got better.

If you can fire 80% of Twitter and not see any difference, can you imagine what would happen if Elon Musk took that same approach with the Federal government? He could probably cut 90% of the jobs and we would not notice anything.

But jobs, even jobs that are not necessary and people who screw up their jobs, in Tooms and Spidy's eyes are good. Job creating is good and therefore Democrats are responsible for it.

ROTFLMAO! Honestly, almost, after reading the bold text.

Remember what Barrack Obama told the American businessman, "You didn't create that job, the government did." He may be a good orator, but he's a sanctimonious prick to his core.

[SubCmdr]

I am a libertarian. If you want to kill your kid, that is on you not me, but that is not what the argument is about. It is about killing your baby and the government defending you as a good person and telling you that is your right.

Problem is that mother fucking republicans do not give a fuck about a child after it is born. They only want it to get pushed out the mothers vaginal canal. After that happens they walk way. Why is that?

Fist in the air in the land of hypocrisy

It just kills me that we have all these immigrants flooding in now

They are flooding in because Republicans want cheap labor for their wage slave plantations.

But the problem is that war on drugs enriches the Plutocracy in the United States of America. So, does illegal immigration. The same Republicans that are screaming about the securing the border out the front door are hiring illegal immigrants at the back door.

We got a lot of Soy Boys like Spidy here who cannot wait to stab their own sex in the back.

Are you including yourself in this statement. Pussy is Pussy! What have you written about me on that subject? Not feeling a whole lot of love from you my brother.

There is a one to one ratio of black women to white men in jail. But with black men and white women, the ratio is 100:1 so you know where the real racism and sexism in America comes from, and it is not coming from white men.

Your statement proves nothing.

WHY?

Of the total state and federal prison population, 8% or 96,370 people are incarcerated in private prisons.

There is no bias. The new plantation owners get paid by the body to warehouse the population on behalf of the state no matter what race or gender. Look to the entire criminal justice system for what ever bias you wish to prove. Those who are incarcerated are at the end of the process. The process truly starts with the individuals enforcing the law on the streets.

[EihTooms]

The enemies of America both foreign and domestic continue to work diligently to interfere with free and fair elections in order to secure Republican election victories:

U.S. accuses Russia of sprawling election interference campaign, seizes dozens of fake sites.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/u-s-acc...-interference/

US accuses Russia of 2024 election interference.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8rx28v1vpro

[Elvis 2008]

When the economy is not top of mind for voters, but instead, women rights, abortion rights and other social issues are supplanted as the #1 issues and policies Americas want to address, it that impending doom for Repubs?

More Voters, Especially Women, Now Say Abortion Is Their Top Issue
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/31/u...mp-harris.html

And:


For those ISG conspiracists on "Soy Boy" watch, it appears there's been a good crop this year, of "soy" in red states.

Could be contagious, though? So ISG conspiracists, misogynists and He-Men, might wanna consider getting your "Anti-Soy Boy" vaccine shots! Oh right vaccines aren't your thing! (....kkkk!)

Let's hope it does become contagious...all the way to ROEvember!!!

As for abortion, weren't you part of the same group wanting unvaccinated Americans to be denied treatment if they came down with Covid? Weren't you for discrimination on the case of vaccination status? Gee, if only there were some effective way to prevent women from getting pregnant, so abortion would not be necessary. You ever hear of that Soy Boy? Instead of bending over backwards and grabbing your heels whenever a woman wants something, have you ever heard of telling them to be more responsible? I have never been pegged before, but with you?

It has been hilarious for me to see so many women try to snatch my gal's daughter away from her. There is this unbelievable competition to steal away a good looking, well behaved child and claim it as your own. And then you have these women and this ridiculous competition when it comes to their children. They do not want to deal with the shame of giving up their kids and having someone else raise them better than they can. And then I hear about how much a baby is worth on the black market, and I am like, "Wait a second, what is the REAL issue here?

The REAL issue is women cannot stand being unattractive or out of it for 3 to 4 months. It is not raising a child for 20 years. It is that they cannot deal with the shame of not being able to raise a kid on their own or having to deal with the shame of giving it up. Yeah, it is better to kill the baby than deal with that shame.

With men, being out of it is part of the game. You blow an ACL, tear an Achilles, you live with it until you are better. Abortion then is a cheat code not a life sentence. A women might not look the same after pregnancy but a man might not run the same after an ACL tear. So? That is the price for playing the game.

I am a libertarian. If you want to kill your kid, that is on you not me, but that is not what the argument is about. It is about killing your baby and the government defending you as a good person and telling you that is your right.

And that is why all these older women want abortion to be a right as well. Because when they killed their kids, they want government to say it was a right versus their being vain, disgusting, and selfish. That is why they really care about abortion even when they cannot get pregnant now because of their age.

It just kills me that we have all these immigrants flooding in now and Democrats are saying, "Well, we need the workers" and telling women who are putting down like a million babies a year that it is a right, I. E. They are good people, when they had an abortion. Democrats do not get what fucking hypocrites they are. Unfuckingreal.

We got a lot of Soy Boys like Spidy here who cannot wait to stab their own sex in the back. There is a one to one ratio of black women to white men in jail. But with black men and white women, the ratio is 100:1 so you know where the real racism and sexism in America comes from, and it is not coming from white men.

[EihTooms]

RealClearPolitics polling site being as demonstrably Winger-leaning as it is, it immediately returned PA to the Trump side of their No Toss Up States EC Votes Map the instant their poll Consensus showed Trump and Harris tied in that battleground state.

But then they had to grudgingly move GA and NV over to the Harris side and now they have Harris with even more EC Votes on that Map without PA.

An interesting tid-bit only for anyone here into polls. Or who used to be:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/

Now, back to the typically pro-Repub Mainstream Media spin that Harris saw no post-Dem National Convention bounce. Haha.

[RamDavidson84]

You make a fair point about not reducing the struggle for equality and comparing the race card, when used inappropriately, and the and word. I can see where you are coming from. I will say this. It's a really dirty move to publicly call some one a racist when it is not deserved and just used to win an argument. Not the same as what I stated before, but it is still a painful traumatic experience which one will never forget. Sorry, I am unfamiliar with McCarthy and Wallace. I know of McCarthyism and the red scare of the 1950's but don't know much of the individual or the exact point you are making.

My thoughts on Trump for the longest time were I would prefer any other Republican candidate, but I strongly supported most of his policy. He had moments of extreme failure to say the least. The Unite the Right rally was a disgrace and I just can't explain how he didn't denounce everything associated with that event sooner. Same thing with Jan. 6. As for his dinner with Fuentes, I believe Kanye West was there as well and it is without a doubt one of the strangest things I have ever heard and I can see where your coming from and your concern is valid. Had Biden even been just half way competent, I would be more inclined to with hold my vote as I did in 2016. Biden was just so bad even after Trump had those moments, I was still going to vote for him because I believed his economic policies would make up for his lack of action in those critical moments of failure I spoke of earlier.

After his assassination attempt and seeing him in that moment stop the secret service and put his fist in the air, I think that really convinced me what he is fighting for. I really think he is on a quest of personal redemption and he wants to leave behind a legacy of success as President. Not just for Republicans, but all Americans. If he does what he says he is going to do, I really think American will be much better off. When I see Trump, I see a guy who had it all. Money, power, women, respect. He had anything he wanted whenever he wanted it and brought to him on a silver platter. The last eight years have been absolute hell for him. It has been scandal after scandal, his family has been slandered and their reputations damaged. Impeached twice and now a convicted felon. He has lost millions and millions of dollars, and yet he is still here eight years later and still fighting. Look, its no secret at this point I support him and I do see him as kind of a anti-hero underdog who is fighting for the right reasons.

As for the QNON and Proud boys and Incels. I just don't see them as significant. Maybe they make up. 01 percent of the Republican Party. I am sure there are a few thousand morons with personality disorders or just plain psychopaths who form those groups. But your always going to have a certain percentage of the population who are extremists no matter what group of people you single out. Just as you don't see "Defund the Police" as being a significant part of the Democratic Party. I could be wrong, I just don't see any of the Republican extreme right in my everyday life. I have never heard of anyone in the real world belonging to any of those groups.

As for the media. My god they are so biased. Fox News isn't biased LOL? CNN? Stephen Colbert? Tucker Carlson? ABC? MSNBC? They are absolutely shamelessly and unapologetically biased to a degree it's comical and frightening at the same time. I challenge you to give me "THREE UNBIASED MAINSTREAM MEDIA SOURCES" That being said, of course science, academia, statistics, and surveys are all absolutely of paramount importance. I am just saying, here in this forum and in everyday water cooler discussions where anyone can pull up what ever study they want to prove the point they are arguing, I trust the opinions of people I respect who over a long period of time have displayed unbiased wisdom and sound judgement. You have to look beyond stats and try to understand the true motives for the politicians. Usually, it is to remain in office and in power. The true motive for the campaign donors. Usually for them, in some way it is to gain the support of politicians who can pass laws or agendas or support social movements which will benefit the campaign donors financially. They you must understand how all these convergent ideas, legislation, and agendas mesh together to form the core of a political party.

Who is donating money and what do they have to gain? Why do certain industries support certain political parties? What groups of people benefit if a particular piece of legislation is passed and who is pushing the agenda? Those are the real questions you have to understand when determining political issues. Analyze stats all day, but you need to think deeper to get the highest level of understanding.

Trust me, I am the furthest thing from a sheep who follows the guy who says shit that just makes me feel good in the moment. Not brainwashed or indoctrinated either LOL.

[SubCmdr]

I have a friend visiting me in Thailand who told me he thinks this may be the year the cold civil war in the United States of America may turn hot. We will see.