Sao Paulo Reports

[Turgid]

The key to successfully negotiating price is to be willing to walk away, which is easy when you don't find the girls to be stunning / to your taste. I paid 800/900 mid August. The girls at Scandallo can be found in Europe, but like you said, they're friendlier than the average FKK girl.

The cost at FKK seems to be about equal to Scandallo so, with better service, Scandallo appears to be the better option.

[Reeme]

The key to successfully negotiating price is to be willing to walk away, which is easy when you don't find the girls to be stunning / to your taste. I paid 800/900 mid August. The girls at Scandallo can be found in Europe, but like you said, they're friendlier than the average FKK girl.

TBH, when you don't find a girl that you find absolutely stunning, IMO you should not even buy.

But it's hard if she managed to hear you up well.

I try to not even engage in a conversation with a girl that is not what I am looking for.

With each drink my resistance to the charm of a good but not great option decreases.

It's hard to walk away from a place of abundance like Scandy but I have done so before, eg at Centaurus.

Given the Scandy price tag, the garota should be exceptional.

[DasBooty]

- Overall I found it too expensive for what it is. Paid Leticia 1200 (first ask was 2 k, I countered with 1 k as per Axels reco). Helps to say that you only have 2 k in cash and do not want to use CC, as even the less intelligent girls get that 300 for the room and 500 entry limit your maximum to 1200. But spending 2 k, almost 400 USD, on a girl in Brazil that is not absolutely stunning, lingerie model type quality seems excessive. The winning strategy for me probably is to go early, pay 300 & eat there, and enjoy the club and fool around with a number of hot girls and get their numbers. Being a tall, blond Euro guy in the lower half of the age bracket usually helps to settle for much lower prices, plus they do not have to recover their entry fee.

The key to successfully negotiating price is to be willing to walk away, which is easy when you don't find the girls to be stunning / to your taste. I paid 800/900 mid August. The girls at Scandallo can be found in Europe, but like you said, they're friendlier than the average FKK girl.

[NiceFirst]

This place is wild, I thought I got my selection process locked down, but man I was humbled by these put at s. I'm still trying to figure out why a new garota who I already had 2 good sessions before suddenly showed up with a bad attitude and bad service on the 3rd session. I think she had learned that gringos are easy target to screw over and still gets paid in full, so she was trying it out on me. Well, I had to kick her out and I suggest all the new guys do the same too when the service is bad. Here are the steps:

1. Do not pay before. Always always pay after obviously.

2. Decide how much you're going to pay her based on the level of service received, I give R200 for 1 hour (I usually get 1 pop in before kicking them out), if they are so bad that you couldn't even get 1 pop, then pay nothing.

3. Put on your clothes while she's cleaning in the shower.

4. Give her the money and tell her the reason why you ended it early, tell her to dress up, get all her shit and leave.

5. This is the part where they either promise better services or just straight up argue or both, so just stay by the phone and call the reception to come up and kick her out. If you need to say something, just repeat why you ended the session early, I can't understand them once they start talking fast and cursing.

6. They usually threaten to call the police, tell them go ahead. The police here can't do anything about any of this, unless it's rape, but you got evidence on your whatsapp proving it's pay for play, so nothing to worry there. Even if the police arrives, just tell them exactly what you told her, that her service was bad and this and that. They know that you didn't fly all the way here, staying at this nice place just to scam a GP, it's obvious that you, a gringo, was taken advantage of. And R200 an hour is a reasonable amount for an ordinary brazillian. I never got the police called on me.

7. Watch her to make sure she doesn't break anything, steal anything, do anything crazy, have your phone ready to record just in case.

8. Once the security arrives, let them do their job. The girl has no choice but to leave.

Done. That's it. Congrats! The first time can be heart racing, but you'll get used to it after a few. But remember, all of this wouldn't work if you pay before. So ALWAYS ALWAYS pay after. Just walk if they don't agree, or call the reception if she's already in your room unwilling to leave, but this is only the case if you don't mention it before hand, sometimes they don't bring up the upfront payment until after the shower and cover themselves in the towel. I was guilty of this too, but you will learn not to forget to mention it beforehand after kicking them out once.

Note: even if she leaves willingly, still call the reception and tell them to make sure she actually leaves the building, sometimes they linger in the hallway with their phone.

[RamDavidson84]

Have you every heard of someone's account credential getting compromised?

By a hooker or cab driver, no. By a crazy ex GF or wife. Yes.

I did get my credit card scammed in Santo Domingo. USAA confirmed it was fraud and refunded bogus charge. Happened at the casino at the Jaragua, at least I think that's how they got it. I used that card at the Casino and the next day someone ran up a bill of several hundred dollars at a Walmart in like Alabama or something.

[Nounce]

Went to Scandy for the first time last night (Friday). Followed at AxelHeyst's guidance on interviewing a set of chicks first before making a choice.

I think the girls have adapted. Try starting with a fix price like 800 instead. That is the strategy RealShuan uses

[Nounce]

Never been blackmailed in Brazil from my mongering activities.

It happens more online with online but mostly were just threats.

[Nounce]

It took a couple of days to meet with the Uber driver to get the phone and stuff back.

This is not the first time you lost your phone. I think you really should consider a cheap iphone burner because you are careless sometimes. There are organization that can hack your iPhone and drain your accounts so a burner will give you a peace of mind.

I have 3 iphones with 3 US numbers from 3 different carriers but it is mainly because I don't return to US.

[Reeme]

Went to Scandy for the first time last night (Friday). Followed at AxelHeyst's guidance on interviewing a set of chicks first before making a choice.

Let's indeed a winning strategy. Most importantly, you got a good feeling for the energy before you make a decision.

Ended up choosing a 22 year old garota from the North called Leticia. Pretty face, great smile, slim and stacked, bubbly personality.

What I liked:

- Incredible amount of girls, at least 150 from 11 pm onwards, and high average quality in terms of looks.

- Huge diversity of looks, there's really something for everyone.

- I like the nightclub feel including very good live music and the fact that the girls were dressed like going out. It felt more like picking up a chick at a club. While you get a better idea of the body at German FKKs where girls are often topless, it feels more transactional.

- Most girls I spoke to had really cool personalities. As expected not the most educated bunch, even though all of them claimed to be students. For instance, none of them had an idea where Austria was when I told him I was from there. But they were good at their job of making their clients feel comfortable and having fun. Again a huge difference benchmarking against German FKKs, where most girls are hardened pros from Eastern Europe or the Balkans and tend to be rather cold.

The girl I had taken to the room even wanted to hang out some more and fool around after we were back at the club. Without asking for anything.

- very professional place, good staff, great club and clean rooms.

What I did not like:

- While there were a lot of hot girls in all colors and shapes, I found none to be breathtakingly beautiful. I had expected more fashion model / playboy type quality but the air was thin on that end of the spectrum.

- I had picked up one of only two garotas whose looks really wowed me. Her great personality and somewhat unique look made the difference, while the other chick never smiled when walking the club, did not even bother talking to her. Unfortunately, my choice had badly butchered fake tits with big scars. And way too hard on top. The rest of the body and face were great. Deteriorated the experience as I am a tits guy. Note to self to feel the garotas up more next time. Later I was approached by a fun and pretty Baiana called Bruna who had great naturals, might have been the better choice even though Leticia and I had good fun in the room.

- Overall I found it too expensive for what it is. Paid Leticia 1200 (first ask was 2 k, I countered with 1 k as per Axels reco). Helps to say that you only have 2 k in cash and do not want to use CC, as even the less intelligent girls get that 300 for the room and 500 entry limit your maximum to 1200. But spending 2 k, almost 400 USD, on a girl in Brazil that is not absolutely stunning, lingerie model type quality seems excessive. The winning strategy for me probably is to go early, pay 300 & eat there, and enjoy the club and fool around with a number of hot girls and get their numbers. Being a tall, blond Euro guy in the lower half of the age bracket usually helps to settle for much lower prices, plus they do not have to recover their entry fee.

- The cab driver said it was a rather slow night and Wed / Thu had a much broader and better lineup (as some folks mentioned here). Was not an option for me this time, but I will try to check it out another time. One thing he said that was a bit worrying is that lately, the super hot chicks started moving to Onlyfans or Dubai. This might explain their absence. I never got why guys pay for nude pics with abundant free porn available. OF and webcams certainly curtail babe supply. Did any of the veterans here make similar observations?

Overall, it feels like upscale Clinicas offer better value for money for similar quality, but are also more transactional and you lack the experience of hanging out and fooling around with a hot chick in a cool club for an hour before going at it. Getting a bunch of numbers for daytime dates on the weekend may be a good strategy but I haven't yet figured out the rate difference.

[Knowledge]

Have you every heard of someone's account credential getting compromised?

Better safe than sorry. If you got something to lose, cross your T's and dot your I's.

That being said, I have never heard of someone being able to look at your uber history unless they have access to your account.

[HiddenEye]

Never been blackmailed in Brazil from my mongering activities. Girls are mostly freelancers and clubs tend to take care of clients.

I did got blackmailed on the oposite side of the south american continent. Girls are paying a fee to work, night scene is managed by veni guys and things are getting spicy very rapidly. Streetwalkers are paying a daily fee between 15-30 USD.

I hope things won't change in Brazil, but you always have to keep the ears open for the latest news.

If I would like o go to Tijuana, maybe my search of information would be very detailed before placing a foot there.

Agreed, (almost) nobody cares who I am.

And of course, there is always a data trail that you cannot avoid.

Like posting here. Or hardly avoid, like GPS data (However, you can turn the location services off 10 minutes before you get there. Which I don't).

But if there are easy and convenient ways to limit the amount of people or organizations who know, I am taking that path.

It's highly unlikely that my wife would ever look at my credit card statements, let alone ask me what I did or figure out the establishment behind the display name.

But why take the risk? Anonymous credit cards exist in many countries and are a simple way. You buy them at a gas station, you charge them with cash you have sitting around and that's it. Paying are $ 10 more for a cab or giving the Uber an address on the opposite side of the street is also easy.

And as stated before, in Brazil not taking girls, professional or not, back to the hotel and instead using a motel is a good practice (and a lot more fun).

But that's just me.

[Tochka]

I stayed in an Airbnb in Moema. One late night leaving drunk as fuck from Scandallo to the Airbnb, the fvcking iphone and credit cards slipped out of my pockets into the backseat of the Uber black car. It took a couple of days to meet with the Uber driver to get the phone and stuff back.

For two days I walked to 8 different clinicas around Moema area and nearby hoods. Finally visited the Bahamas boate.

No choice, paid cash for everything using the backup stash of cash in Airbnb. Of course, asked for a cash discount on top of the forista rates. Haha,

No ID was needed, no iphone, no credit card, no Uber, everything was in leisure walking distance.

But it sucks not getting wassap numbers from Chicas. Also friendly F you to all the 2-factor authentication apps with only a phone option. After getting my phone & wallet back checked all the charges were fine first thing I did was add email as an option to those 2 FA. The second thing I listened to Alex H, Nounce Vagabundo advice and bought a goddamn leash for the iPhone. Bros that saved my drunk ass many times cause the phone is always on my neck. Walking around Centro, Copa beach building side, Av Paulista, Moema or Metro easy to tuck the phone inside the shirt while watching out for moto boys, ebikes or groups of over-friendly street gals.

Agree with the dudes here if ya worried about the data trail going to Brasil isn't getting off the grid. Hell I got to show some type of freaking document ID just to book short term love motels.

I have had hard enough time trying to remember the Clinica names on the credit charges when it shows up.

Trivia question which place is King Tavern, Matrix / Matrix Hqs, Novo espao Morumbi, W estdio, Amanda Silva Gama ?

Any others?

[Turgid]

......And of course, there is always a data trail that you cannot avoid.

Like posting here........

Like posting here? C'mon.

[Axel Heyst]

I have been pursuing this hobby for over 50 years and I've never used a credit card nor shown ID at any clubs.

Turgid, am I missing something? I have always had to show an ID of some form to gain entry into Scandallo, Bomboa, Cafe Photo (finger print), Bahamas, ect. Even the Ganguin Club required an ID from me. Maybe my open water PADI scuba diving ID would suffice. I never tried that one. KKK. My Florida state driver's license has always worked in the past and I don't mind using it to gain entrance. It is no big deal.

As to the issue of CC vs. Cash: it's up to the individual punter. Do what makes you happy. For a couple of decades of mongering, I was a cash guy and I brought a large amount of crisp hundred dollar bills on my 10 to 12 week trips to LOS, Cambodia, Jakarta, Makati, and Macau. Then around 2016 I discovered the Schwab no fee ATM debit card and hallelujah, happy days. I will never go back to the time I was carrying $10,000 in cash again.

So, I put all my hotel, restaurant, club incidentals (cover charges, drinks, and room fees), clinica charges, terma charges (RJ), uber (even some taxis), grocery stores, and pharmacy purchases on the CC, but I pay all my direct, personal, girly expenses in local currency derived from the Schwab debit card. It is a very convenient and safe way to travel as long as you know the right ATM's to draw down from.

To date I have never had a problem with my CC's or my Debit Cards, but I also never had a problem in the old days with bringing gobs of cash although carrying the amount of cash I used to have to bring with me on my Asian trips was a weight that I am now very happy not to be burdened with. I also have a backup no fee debit card issued from Needham Bank (check it out guys) and I bring around $1000 in cash just in case. As a result, I usually only carry a couple of hundred BR in my pocket during the day and I bring whatever I think I might need for my boate girls at night. If I go for a 2 fer (a 2nd girl) or I can't resist the charms of a certain Scandallo tier 1 girl, I can always put the balance of what I need for the girl on the CC, but only after we boom boom.

[Reeme]

Dude if you're taking your phone with you to any places (which you definitely are going to do no matter what; get girls numbers, use google translate, etc) then someone can just see your GPS.

You are ALWAYS being tracked and monitored.

Your phone is always listening to what you say so it can target better ads to you.

Unless you take a no phone and only cash someone can track your GPS.
i get notifications from google asking me to review scandallo on google maps
they know
Plus the clubs all have cameras showing you showed up as well as your ID to get in that they store for some time.

you will have to always overpay for a taxi to pay in cash and then always pay cash to the girls and club
that's alot of atms runs or a big currency exchange that you will need to keep safe
no one cares who you are honestly

Agreed, (almost) nobody cares who I am.

And of course, there is always a data trail that you cannot avoid.

Like posting here. Or hardly avoid, like GPS data (However, you can turn the location services off 10 minutes before you get there. Which I don't).

But if there are easy and convenient ways to limit the amount of people or organizations who know, I am taking that path.

It's highly unlikely that my wife would ever look at my credit card statements, let alone ask me what I did or figure out the establishment behind the display name.

But why take the risk? Anonymous credit cards exist in many countries and are a simple way. You buy them at a gas station, you charge them with cash you have sitting around and that's it. Paying are $ 10 more for a cab or giving the Uber an address on the opposite side of the street is also easy.

And as stated before, in Brazil not taking girls, professional or not, back to the hotel and instead using a motel is a good practice (and a lot more fun).

But that's just me.