Jakarta

[Sychip1]

As soon as I exited Classic for better cell reception I google maps-ed
up the address 19 yo sent me and found what looked like the same location
on grab. Getting ready to book, I sent her a screenshot for her to
verify, and pretty exactly two hours later I was banging her on my bed.

She was a really shy girl. Cute, but about 5kg overweight. Since I
booked her Grab myself (well, what do you know, the grab a feel option
is gone now), I could see when she would arrive, and I was preparing
a bath. I like to relax in a bath, alone also, but especially with a girl,
and one of the things Redtop hotel has going for it over Movenpick is
that redtop has a bath thub. I suspect everything else, possibly sans the gym,
is better at Movenpick though.

Fantastic report. I've had very similar experiences with the dating apps and good that she actually showed up especially if the weather was bad. As in Jakarta that can mean flooded roads as I almost had to swim to cross the road a few weeks ago. You really have a knack for details, I will make a mental note to ask for the MMS names and ask them to spell it next time for my own reference and to share with you all in my next report.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

So for my upcoming multi-month trip to Jakarta, I'm seriously considering staying in South Jakarta to check out the clubbing scene there. Places like Kemang, Cindalak, Blok M area, etc.

I'm 64 yo with a prosthetic leg and do not need to get laid every single day. I much prefer the chase of a 'regular' or semi-pro part-time girl as opposed to places like Classic, Travel, etc.

I have zero interest in spas or overpriced brothels with swimming pools, etc. And certainly not the grossly overpriced SA.

In just a few days of online recce, I've already had a lot of interest from the online sites and apps I previously mentioned from women from the 18- mid-30's range, most of whom seem to be in South Jakarta or Bekasi. Am in regular chats with several of them, all of whom I plan to meet at some point after I arrive in late January.

My question is. Do any of you (other than ExpatAmerican) have any intel you could provide on the South Jakarta nightclub scene (other than Blok M, which is well documented already)? I've garnered it's pretty active and full of young Indo girls eager to do it with a hung bule, age irrelevant.

My modus operandi will be to do chase down there, and around Blok M, with an occasional trip to Classic and / or Lokasari Plaza if things don't pan out as quickly as planned.

Thanks in advance for any intel any of you can share.

Gg.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

I thought I made it pretty clear. It quite possibly may be true they preferred you a "rich" foreigner that happened to be white. But given all else being equal, they would choose someone from their own culture. It just makes sense. There is a stigma associated with being with a foreigner which most normal women prefer to avoid. I've spent plenty of time in asia. I've had my fair share of asian GF. No need to dick measure.

What I said was pretty clear and I stand by what I said.

[Werqweq]

That was 12 years ago and Asia has changed. Korean pop culture is preferred to Hollywood, the Korean look is revered. Also SEA has been flooded with broke white pensioners in their singlets and gigantic beer bellies expecting all Asian women to drop their panties if they just look at them.

As far as K-Pop and Korean tv is concerned, that certainly seems to be true for the majority of girls in my experience too now. E. g. , 19 yo I just posted about, we also talked a bit about what kind of guys she found handsome. She couldn't name one western guy. Had no idea who western movie stars are. It was all Korean as far as she was concerned. She even had some Korean drama playing on the tv while we were banging. Not sure if she tried to imagine it was the Korean guy on tv fucking her instead of me.

That said: while I'd have to think some more about the exact reasons, as a white guy I am no doubt bedding a lot more hot young girls in Jakarta and Thailand than I am at home (I'm excluding p4p here of course). I'm sure novelty is one important factor.

[Werqweq]

As soon as I exited Classic for better cell reception I google maps-ed
up the address 19 yo sent me and found what looked like the same location
on grab. Getting ready to book, I sent her a screenshot for her to
verify, and pretty exactly two hours later I was banging her on my bed.

She was a really shy girl. Cute, but about 5kg overweight. Since I
booked her Grab myself (well, what do you know, the grab a feel option
is gone now), I could see when she would arrive, and I was preparing
a bath. I like to relax in a bath, alone also, but especially with a girl,
and one of the things Redtop hotel has going for it over Movenpick is
that redtop has a bath thub. I suspect everything else, possibly sans the gym,
is better at Movenpick though.

So as I went down to the lobby in the elevator with another guest, as
soon as the elevator door opened, I saw this girl standing in front
of it, waiting. I gave her a wave and a smile, and she jumped in the
elevator, and we went back up. I made some polite small talk, not
really being sure if she would understand much english or not. Our
text messages had gone fine, but I didn't know if she was using google
translate or not, so I asked her about that in the elevator, and she
said she did not use translate.

We went into my room, and I was playing some music. She asked to turn
on the tv, and turn off the light. I refused turning off the light,
but agreed with her in the end that we could turn off the main light,
and leave the tv and hallway light on. Sat down on the bed for
a few minutes, and then I asked if she wanted to join me for a bath?
She was not sure what a bath was, and thought I meant shower?
I told her they were not the same, and she wanted to see what it was.

I showed her, and she said it was a shower. I told her no, it's not.
A shower is where you stand up and water falls down on you, but this
is a bath. You sit down. She said, but you both get wet the same, so
it's the same. We then had an argument about this and I kicked her the
hell out, before handjob-ing myself to sleep.

Well, not exactly. She said I could go shower myself, and she would
just wait on the bed. I said I would go take a bath then.

She was to shy to jump into the bath with me, so I took a bath myself
for 15 minutes (why waste the warm water), and then joined her wearing
my towel, as she was sitting on the bed and playing on her phone.

There are 18 year olds who life has matured enough to be pleasant company
(the beautiful 18 year old at Classic), and there are are 19 year olds who
are annoyingly immature, and tonight's victim was in the later category.

Later on I suspect it was kind of because her experience so far had
been mostly with Chinese/Japanese/Korean people, and, eh, from what
I've seen in Japanese porn, Japanese people kind of like girls who act like her
("what are you doing"? "why are you doing that?" "what are you doing?").

Anyway, after we'd been laying next to each other on the bed for some
minutes, I gently forced her head down on my chest ("what are you doing?",
"nooo", "what are you doing?"), and stroked her head as she lay there
for some 5-10 minutes, eventually also gently caressing her breasts.

After I felt she was relaxed, I gently rolled her over on her back, and
started to gently kiss her neck, lips, etc. She was now also getting
aroused and started pulling me in for some proper kissing, while I
started to fondle her breast more hard, and also pulling up her skirt
and grinding against her underwear. I did this for a while, her getting
more and more horny, before pulling her up to a sitting position and
started to work on removing her bra. She asked me if I could do it,
and a few seconds later I had removed it.

I laid her down again, continued grinding my dick against her underwear,
and now also kissing her breasts, and I could feel her getting more and
more horny. After some more of this, I pulled off her underwear,
but not skirt as I was not sure how it was zipped up, and started
slowly inserting my dick into her pussy.

I pumped in and out for some 20-30 seconds, to seal the deal so to say,
before I pulled out to get rid off the skirt. She had insisted on turning
of most off the light a short while after she came in, and I couldn't see
where the skirt was locked up. So after I started pulling it down, she
told me to wait, wait, and opened it herself. I lifted her legs up in the air, against my shoulders, and
then pulled off the skirt, and continued banging her. I could tell she
really liked this, as she was spreading her legs wide and pulling me deep
inside her, though at the same time I could her it also pained her a bit,
so I went less deep for a while, before she started pulling me deeper
again.

In the end I shot my babyless sperm inside her, and got usual surprise
from her about why I came inside her, and she got the usual spiel from me
about my vasectomy. She however continued to worry, saying she needed to
eat the pill. I told her she did not need to do it because blah-blah,
and tried to assure her, but she was still worried. So I spent a few
minutes trying to further assure her as best I could, but not really
all that much I could do. Told her in the end she could take medicine
if she wanted, but there was no reason to do so.

Anyway, now she was no longer nervous about the sex with me anymore
(instead she was nervous about being pregnant, which is hardly an improvement
from her point of view unfortunately), and since we had already fucked
she felt less shy and we could talk about stuff.

She asked me if I had had sex with many girls in Jakarta. I said yes.
She asked how many? I said five every day. She said OMG. I then
joked that she had to leave soon, as another girl was coming at 1 am.
She asked really? So she had to go? I played along for a while,
until admitting I was only joking. We then talked about her experience,
which I was curious about.

Although only 19 years old (at least that's what her tinder profile says,
and it looks about right to me), she has certainly been slutting around.
She'd banged three Koreans, I think she said 4 or 5 Japanese, and she
could not remember how many Chinese. She said they all had really small
dicks and she was so sad because she could not feel anything. I asked
about Indonesians? She said she had not had sex with any indonesians.
She was afraid (not sure of what).

I then made some joke about this, and OMG, so many men you have had
sex with. I have never had had sex with anyone from Korea, nobody from
Japan, nobody from China, or actually, one from Japan, but only one.
This made her laugh a bit, and she asked about the Japanese girl,
and I said it was while I was visiting Japan for a few days, but
no Korea, no China.

She told me she had never had sex with bule before, and she wanted to try.
I asked if it was a good experience or bad experience? She said it was
good, because big dick, but it also gave her some pain. But she like.

We then blah-blahed a while more, and I found out she'd meet all those
asian dudes on two other dating apps. One I've used myself before
(WeChat), while the other I had never heard of (TanTan), but which I
have since then downloaded, even if not yet registered on.


I said she was welcome to sleep over if she wanted, or she could go back
home if her mother was worried about her, as last time I messaged her
and she was being indecisive about coming, she said she was having a
fight with her mother at the moment and could not come now, but could
come at 7 or 8 pm. Then she said it had started raining a lot there,
and she had to walk out to some hallway where the taxi car could not
enter, even if I booked a car, and after that I just muted her.

Well, I could understand from the Grab booking I made for her today that
at least the walk out was true, and maybe the rain too.

She asked me if I wanted her to stay. It was my last night, and while
I had asked for a slightly later checkout when it started to look like
this girl was coming over, she was not really my type personality wise.
I also had planned to spend the time between breakfast and checkout to
pack my things, before idling away some hours at the gym until Classic
started to get populated. Those things would be easier to do if I did
not have to entertain a guest.

Had it been chef-girl or the 18 yo from Classic I would have answered
"yes, I want you to stay" so that I could bang them a few more times,
but in this case I just said she was welcome to stay if she wanted.
She said she was not sure, so I told her, ok, but she needed to decide.
If she wanted to stay I wanted to turn off the light and sleep now,
and then we continued laying next to each other and talking for a bit,
before she said she would leave at 1 am (in about 20 minutes), when the
other girl would come.

I laughed and told her that was just a joke, and she could stay if she
wanted. I think she wanted me to say I really wanted her to stay and
blah-blah, and had it not been my last day and I did not have to do the
packing and gym and blah-blah, I'd probably have said it to be polite,
but also because I would have meant it. As the case was now I preferred her
to leave however for practical reasons, though I of course did not say that.

Maybe she picked up on it anyway, as around 1 am I let her use my phone
to book grab, which took her back home. Some more worried pregnancy
messages from her which I then tried to answer, and in the end
she seemed to have read an indonesian text about it that I sent her,
asked me if it meant I was "sterile", and stopped worrying.

Slept, and after gym the next day I did a quick walk over to Classic.
Had messaged mamasan Chacha about what time she was starting work,
but she said 5pm. At that time I planned to be at least half way to
the airport, so instead I had to suffer one of the other mamasans.

Could not see anyone I wanted to go with for the first 5 minutes after
I arrived at 3 pm (and I saw a chinese dude come back out with two
girls shortly after I arrived, so he was obviously there even earlier),
but suddenly a girl in red with a see-through dress appeared that was
my type. Beckoned her over via the mamasan and exchanged a few words.
She wanted me to take her friend also, which my instinct was to say no to,
but then asked who her friend was, and thought her friend looked ok too,
so said ok.

She said she was 20 and had worked there for one week. And her friend
was also 20 and had also worked there for one week. Well, possibly
they are 20, and possibly they have only worked at Classic for one week,
but if so, they have definitely been whoring elsewhere before.

Not as mercurial as the typical Bangkok go-go girl, but these, especially
the one I had initially selected, and who could speak English, were
starting to annoying me. Sucked dick for a few minutes, then wanted
to put on condom and have sex. I had to stop her, and this repeated
four-five more times, before I told her I did not like all this talk
about condom condom condom all the time while giving me a blowjob.
In the end I agreed to tip them each 200,000
for no condom (after lol-ing at her original demand of 500,000 each),
and then fucked both of them, alternating between pussies.

As far as girls at Classic goes, my least satisfactory fuck due to
their "no this, no that" attitude. With other girls I felt we could all
laugh and have a good time, but with these girls the laughs were hard to
come by. No surprised look or questions from them when I came inside
either, so I'm guessing at least they learned to use the pill wherever
it is they were whoring before.

Anyway, we parted on good terms and with some laughs, though they
are not girls I'd repeat. I then did a quick walk back to Redtop,
booking Grab while walking, and departed for Bangkok.

Hope to visit Jakarta again next summer too, perhaps at the start
and at the end of my Bangkok vacation.

[LoveItHere69]

Sorry, but you're just wrong on that. I spent nearly 20 years living and working and dating in SE Asia. I think I would know. Most Indos, Filipinas and Thais much prefer white foreigners over men from their own culture.

You did not learn much in 20 years then. Most women prefer their own cultures, race, religion, and so on. Asians more so than all the others because the girl's family and friends are everything to them. It is hard to integrate you a foreigner into their world (friends and family). Foreigners have different beliefs, values, interests (movies, food, etc.). Much easier to to be with someone who shares a similar chilhood and life style to relate to. There are exceptions but they are a far minority. Family comes first for most asian women. When she has a baby the baby is first, her mommy and daddy second, and foreigner husband is last. I am not sure if that changes much if they marry a local husband. They like family and she would be happier with a local husband's family versus a foreigner husband's family.

White guys usually only win if she is a materialistic girl who wants your your money or wants a ticket to Europe, USA, or wherever. I know a guy who married a Filipina and brought her to the USA They had 2-3 kids but she cheated and left him for a Filipino guy living in the USA.

[Expat American]

Sorry, but you're just wrong on that. I spent nearly 20 years living and working and dating in SE Asia. I think I would know. Most Indos, Filipinas and Thais much prefer white foreigners over men from their own culture.

[Deleted by Admin] That was 12 years ago and Asia has changed. Korean pop culture is preferred to Hollywood, the Korean look is revered. Also SEA has been flooded with broke white pensioners in their singlets and gigantic beer bellies expecting all Asian women to drop their panties if they just look at them. Sorry, but that's not true anymore. I am not White. In Jakarta I have mongered and partied in civilian clubs with a mixed group with White, Asian-American and Indian guys. The White guys had THE WORST experience of all of them. The White guys had more girls refusing BBFS, less interest in the clubs and overall whined about the loss of the White Privilege. Actually it was kind of fun to see.

[Kazeu]

I thought I made it pretty clear. It quite possibly may be true they preferred you a "rich" foreigner that happened to be white. But given all else being equal, they would choose someone from their own culture. It just makes sense. There is a stigma associated with being with a foreigner which most normal women prefer to avoid. I've spent plenty of time in asia. I've had my fair share of asian GF. No need to dick measure.

Sorry, but you're just wrong on that. I spent nearly 20 years living and working and dating in SE Asia. I think I would know. Most Indos, Filipinas and Thais much prefer white foreigners over men from their own culture.

[Expat American]

Was back in Jakarta for 4 days, loved it and already missing it. On a busy business trip, no time to setup new SBs nor say Hi to Mr Dave. Got my fav SB from last time to stay with me for 4 days instead, 3 hrs from me landing my cock was inside her mouth! The SB investment from last trip reaps rewards. Didn't realise this city had such high end dining places either. I stayed more south this time, SCBD area with nice upscale apartment, great seafood restaurants, nice bars, enjoyed each one very well with my SB date. Work Dine Fuck Repeat. SCBD area is modern and very different from my previous stay at Movenpick area. Took her shopping as well, just some clothes and exploring nice malls. Introduced some kinks this time to her; BDSM and brought my toys as she wanted to explore that world, so a successful sub in the making.

Meeting her up in Bali next month for a week, this one is a keeper and fulfils all my needs.

I note some comments, arguments etc on the sugar scene here and lots of DMs. I can't answer all your questions chaps, plenty of information about the sugar dating scene on the internet, reddit forums and some paid forums. Suggest you start there. This isn't a prostitution game, it's SugarDating. Educate yourself, I'm posting so other seasoned SDs around the world know there is a target rich scene here and can invest for rewards. Much better than Europe and Dubai IMO.

Virtūs et Honos my fellow SDs! Let the haters hate.

RDK out.

Welcome to real Jakarta! My first visit was confined to the North Jakarta Ghettos where I discovered Classic and thought it was amazing (and is for what it is). Next trip I tried higher end places like Emporium and could see how they were a so much more relaxed experience and well worth the premium. Last two trips its been mostly SB (last time I didn't go to Classic at all and Emporium just once) and had amazing SB experiences, with kinky BDSM and nice dates with smart, educated and good looking women. Its like SA used to be in the US 10-15 years ago. There are members on here who will never see the value, but if you have the resources and a bit of personality, there is far better things in Jakarta.

I also found amazing high end dining that will run over 1 m for two but world class quality in SCBD. Next trip I'm going to stay south of the monument closer to the nicer parts of the SCBD and focus on the Sugar dating and non pros. Like you, the soul less commercial fuck is not good enough anymore. I can only fuck about 2 x per day anyway so the rest of the experience is more important.

However, if $9/ night hotel is your style and Joni Steak is your idea of good food then this is definitely not for you.

[Werqweq]

Could you describe the girl, wondering what a 1. 4 mil anal girl could possibly look like. Slender? Chubby? Hour glass figure? Big shoulders? No waistline? White pale skin? Dark brown skin? Flat breasts? Saggy breasts? Baby damage?

Slender, had waist, firm boobs, white skin, no baby, and some ass. I doubt anyone with baby works at Emporivum, unless they've managed to take so good care of themselves that it's impossible to see.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

This isn't a prostitution game, it's SugarDating.

LOL! Just keep telling yourself that.

[Rajdasking]

Ok, thanks for the explanation. My preference, or interest, is, at least so far in life, quite different from yours then.

I expected SA girls to be more educated and english speaking than girls at Classic, but I don't really care if the girl I paid to bang is a doctor or girl that left school after high school and is now 'ho-ing full-time (sans the presumed increased risk of STDs). She's still just a 'ho that I'm paying to bang and pretend she likes me.

"Engineers, Business Owners, Graphic Designers, Tech employees and Students" . Those things would only start to matter to me if it was some type of ongoing relationship, where it's nice if you can enjoy other things together too. E. g. Chef girl who I met here this time, and is the only girl who I've seen more than once during my two trips to Jakarta, I enjoy spending time with. But since I'm not interested in that with neither SA, nor Classic girls, nor anyone else I'm paying, it naturally does not matter much to me if she's a an engineer or high school drop-out.

LOL agree mate, you are definitely not meant to be for the SugarDating scene!

For me the sex is just not enough anymore, I want much more these days hence my preference for SugarDating. I trade my time, explore kinks with like minded multiple SBs instead of purely a financial transaction based deal. I could never go back to the purely transactional nature of hookers / escorts anymore.

[Rajdasking]

Hey, you can do what works best for you of course. My point is they are different. And the SA girls all enjoyed the sex (and the date) just like I did. With the right SA girl, they are not doing a "job". Its really a different experience. Its fine if you don't want to try it but its not at all the same thing as Classic any more than McDonalds is the same as Ruths Chris. Both may be beef and both leave you full at the end but the experience is totally different. I'm not against Classic, its a great place for what it is. But there is more (and IMHO better) things in Jakarta than that. That's all I was trying to say.

I'm scheduling to fly more regularly here as opposed to European cities now where I usually do my SB trade. Also thinking of some other university rich SE Asia cities, initial research suggests very good target rich environment, reminds me of the good old days.

[Rajdasking]

Was back in Jakarta for 4 days, loved it and already missing it. On a busy business trip, no time to setup new SBs nor say Hi to Mr Dave. Got my fav SB from last time to stay with me for 4 days instead, 3 hrs from me landing my cock was inside her mouth! The SB investment from last trip reaps rewards. Didn't realise this city had such high end dining places either. I stayed more south this time, SCBD area with nice upscale apartment, great seafood restaurants, nice bars, enjoyed each one very well with my SB date. Work Dine Fuck Repeat. SCBD area is modern and very different from my previous stay at Movenpick area. Took her shopping as well, just some clothes and exploring nice malls. Introduced some kinks this time to her; BDSM and brought my toys as she wanted to explore that world, so a successful sub in the making.

Meeting her up in Bali next month for a week, this one is a keeper and fulfils all my needs.

I note some comments, arguments etc on the sugar scene here and lots of DMs. I can't answer all your questions chaps, plenty of information about the sugar dating scene on the internet, reddit forums and some paid forums. Suggest you start there. This isn't a prostitution game, it's SugarDating. Educate yourself, I'm posting so other seasoned SDs around the world know there is a target rich scene here and can invest for rewards. Much better than Europe and Dubai IMO.

Virtūs et Honos my fellow SDs! Let the haters hate.

RDK out.

[Kazeu]

A bit of wishful thinking there gaijin. Pretty universally, most women prefer men from their own cultures. But more than that, women prefer non broke guys. Being a white guy in Indonesia automatically puts you in the non broke category. Congratulations. Given the choice and equal income levels. Most indos are going to prefer other indos. Of course you're going to get the occasional outlier.

Sorry, what are you referring to as a Vanilla dating app?


I think women, SE Asian and otherwise, prefer guys who dress nice, make an attempt to look nice, and are friendly and fun to be with. That matters more than whether the man is white or not, but sure, generally speaking I think SE Asian women prefer white guys.