American Politics

[EihTooms]

Of the 24 or so reliably, historically, traditionally Blue States and Districts, only three of those Blue States flipped to Trump and only by a razor-thin margin. It was where less than a 0. 9 point swing from Harris to Trump in one of those three states, less than a 0. 8 point swing in another and less than a 0. 5 point swing in the third one was enough to do it.

That would be PA, MI and WI, the only 3 states that determined the difference between a President-elect Harris today and a Presidents-elect or is it Presidents-UNelect Musk, Ramaswamy and Bannon.

See screenshot below.

Scroll down to "Results" on this link for the latest numbers and points:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024...ntial_election

Now, here are a few points about the election in general and those three states in particular that I suspect the "Every Great Depression, Great Recession and Massive Jobs Loss of the past 100 years and none of the historic Economic Recoveries, Expansions and Jobs Gains happening under Repub Presidents and all of the Polar Opposite Results happening under Dem Presidents is just a wild, magical and mystical coincidence" crowd will dismiss as not ringing true. To them.

Nevertheless, the empirical evidence, admissions and acknowledgement by the key participants and beneficiary as well as the final and actual overall numbers and results provides overwhelming proof of the truth of them:

1. They were the three closest states in terms of final Trump vs Harris votes.

2. Related to the above point, they were the three states Harris spent the most time in campaigning and ad expenditures.

3. Even if Biden had been the candidate to the very end he would have only had an additional 90 days or so to campaign than Harris vs the 7 years Trump spent campaiging for it. It turns out, unlike Trump, Biden had an actual job to keep him busy since January 20,2021; recovering the colossal mess on all economic, jobs destruction, national security, health, life, death, crime rate, foreign policy, American Insurrection, Overthrowing of American democracy fronts Trump left behind and doing so in historic, remarkable and unprecedented sucessful fashion.

Ergo, Biden would have had scarcely more free time to focus on campaigning in much more than those same three states as Harris did.

And that is in contrast to Trump who, as far as anyone can tell, his only "work time" as so-called president was the 20 minutes or so it took him to sign that ridiculous, deficit-ballooning waste of tax-dollars Tax Cuts and Jobs Act put together by the Repubs in Congress one day in late December 2017. Other than that, nothing. Just walking and talking and golfing and campaigning for his 2nd term run.

4. By all accounts, those three states are not the only states in the country where demos such as, oh, black men, non college-educated whites, Latinos and yeah, even angry Muslims reside.

5. By all accounts, those three states are not the only states in the country that had access to news feeds and personal opinions and experiences regarding the economy, trannies, pronouns, immigration, Roe v Wade, who referred to who as "Hitler", crime rates, etc etc etc.

6. Yet, none of those 24 or so typically Blue States and Districts flipped to Red in the presidential contest, none of the supposedly critical Dem demos were compelled to shift from Harris to Trump in ANY of those typically Blue States or Districts enough to flip the entire state to Trump if even by a razor-thin margin or swing in votes, except THREE.

7. Those three states also happen to be the only three states where Muslim Community Leaders mobilized to channel the anger of their Community of voters, sizable in all three states, to deny the Biden Administration a presidential win due to their conflating the USA support for Israel in its conflict with Gaza with love and support for Netanyahu, who they hate. Even though almost immediately after they "gave Trump the presidency" in that way and for that reason they have deeply regretted doing so.

8. All the buzz issues Trump and his sucker MAGAs spent at least 7 years conjuring up and carried mostly unchallenged into Americans' homes by obedient pro Repub Mainstream Media and non traditional media along with all those red herrings about Dems "losing their Demos to Trump" did not matter one whit with regard to which candidate won the presidential election.

9. The only thing that mattered was that relative handful of angry Muslim joker in the deck that no one other than them had control over, unfortunately for them as well as the rest of the country, popped up in Trump's hand on that one critical day.

10. Could a surge of uncharacteristically intelligent and suddenly roused out of their MSM-assisted, Trump Con-induced hypnotic state MAGAs have rushed in to save themselves and America by voting for Harris instead of Trump in those three states and thereby counteracted the effect of those mobilized angry Muslims on the unfortunate election result, perhaps if she hadn't been a she and the other ethnic minority mix she was?

Sure. Coulda Woulda Shoulda.

But didn't.

[MarquisdeSade1]

I have been so preoccupied with enjoying the Winter Wonderland Christmas festivities here in the Land of Smiles, the delicious buffets, live entertainment, fireworks, good times and fun I had completely missed the opening shots of the Civil War between the MAGAs and the Con Artists who suckered them into voting for Trump.

It seems the short hand version of this so far is that Ramaswamy, Musk, Boomer, Bannon, everybody who is important and calling the shots in the upcoming Trump's Pandemic and Economic Disaster Part 2 are locked, loaded and taking aim at the MAGAs Trump suckered and each other, admitting the Big Con was that dumb, lazy MAGAs, unworthy of being hired to work at real jobs have only themselves to blame for why those who suckered them must still bring in lots of Immigrants to take their jobs, that the Bull Shit Department of Government Efficiency was set up by Con Man Trump only to make MAGA suckers think they are saving money for them when in fact it is meant to take money from them and make him and his billionaire buddies wealthier. Lololol. Fun stuff.

So I did a search on the topic to catch up a bit more and discovered this very interesting overview of what is going on by Steve Schmidt, a former Repub Party campaign strategist and advisor who knows the Big Repub Con very, very well.

An 8:56 minute video well worth the time:

https://youtu.be/QQttuiH8gfY?si=hV50vLhOtItPb6mC

https://www.nationalreview.com/2024/...oper-payments/

The Biden Legacy: Nearly a Trillion in Improper Payments.

President Joe Biden holds a cabinet meeting in the Cabinet Room of the White House in Washington, the. See. , June 6, 2023. (Evelyn Hockstein / Reuters).

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By Rachel Greszler.

December 27,2024 6:30 AM.

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Over four years, the Biden administration unintentionally misspent $926 billion — to say nothing of the trillions it misspent on purpose.

The fiscal year 2024 data are in, and they show that the Biden administration has overseen a record $926 billion in improper and unknown federal payments since 2021.

That is 38 percent more than the Trump administration's $673 billion total over four years, and it's only 4 percent less than the Obama administration's $962 billion total over eight years. Moreover, all of these figures are underestimates as they only account for about 68 programs out of the more than 2,000 that the federal government operates. The Biden administration's $926 billion total translates to more than $7,000 for every household in America. .

[EihTooms]

I have been so preoccupied with enjoying the Winter Wonderland Christmas festivities here in the Land of Smiles, the delicious buffets, live entertainment, fireworks, good times and fun I had completely missed the opening shots of the Civil War between the MAGAs and the Con Artists who suckered them into voting for Trump.

It seems the short hand version of this so far is that Ramaswamy, Musk, Boomer, Bannon, everybody who is important and calling the shots in the upcoming Trump's Pandemic and Economic Disaster Part 2 are locked, loaded and taking aim at the MAGAs Trump suckered and each other, admitting the Big Con was that dumb, lazy MAGAs, unworthy of being hired to work at real jobs have only themselves to blame for why those who suckered them must still bring in lots of Immigrants to take their jobs, that the Bull Shit Department of Government Efficiency was set up by Con Man Trump only to make MAGA suckers think they are saving money for them when in fact it is meant to take money from them and make him and his billionaire buddies wealthier. Lololol. Fun stuff.

So I did a search on the topic to catch up a bit more and discovered this very interesting overview of what is going on by Steve Schmidt, a former Repub Party campaign strategist and advisor who knows the Big Repub Con very, very well.

An 8:56 minute video well worth the time:

https://youtu.be/QQttuiH8gfY?si=hV50vLhOtItPb6mC

[MarquisdeSade1]

I do not know what a Sovereign citizen is. I've seen Nick Gillespie on television once or twice and all I remember is that he's kind of Neanderthal looking. Charles Koch on the other hand, like his brother David, is a Genuine American Hero. The Koch Brothers donated billions to education, medicine and poverty alleviation. They've done much more to improve the USA than anyone posting on this board. More than Bernie's Benefactor George Soros.

Estimates of the number of innocent people sentenced to death run between 4% and 12% of the total number who were on death row.

Let's compare you and me.

The Marquesa:

1. Favors the execution of innocents.

2. Wants to either put trannies, gays and immigrants in death camps or kick them out of the country.

3. Wants to impoverish America with big government and Bernie Sanders socialist policies.

4. Has crushes on Steve Bannon and JAP (Jewish American Prince) Stephen Miller.

5. Wanted to overthrow 250 years of democracy in the United States of America in 2020.

The Reverend Tiny:

1. Favors a system like Singapore's Central Provident Fund, which would provide decent retirement and decent medical care to all, as well as money for education and a house.

2. Prefers individual freedom. If it doesn't hurt other people, then what people do is none of the government's damn business.

3. Prefers smaller government, along the lines of what has made the USA, Switzerland and Singapore the most prosperous decent-sized countries in the world.

4. Has crushes on Milton Friedman and Ronald Reagan.

Now who's evil?

Nevertheless Marquesa, I love you as I do all fellow humans.

Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night!

- The Reverend Tiny.

You sound just like the anti semitic Spidy.

1. Favors the execution of innocents.

2. Wants to either put trannies, gays and immigrants in death camps or kick them out of the country.

3. Wants to impoverish America.

4. Has crushes on Steve Bannon and JAP (Jewish American Prince) Stephen Miller.

5. Wanted to overthrow 250 years of democracy in the United States of America in 2020.

Spidy is that really you?

[EihTooms]

PREVIEW OF COMING ATRACTIONS:

Trump's Pandemic, Part 2!

Trump transition team plans immediate WHO withdrawal, expert says.
Dec. 24, 2024

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/tru...ys-2024-12-23/

Plan aligns with Trump's criticism of WHO, isolates U.S. from global health efforts
Trump nominated WHO critics to key health positions, including Robert F. Kennedy Jr
Critics warn U.S. withdrawal weakens WHO, boosts China's global health influence.
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The plan, which aligns with Trump's longstanding criticism of the U.N. health agency, would mark a dramatic shift in U.S. global health policy and further isolate Washington from international efforts to battle pandemics.
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Critics warn that a U.S. withdrawal could undermine global disease surveillance and emergency response systems.

"The U.S. would lose influence and clout in global health and China would fill the vacuum. I can't imagine a world without a robust WHO. But U.S. withdrawal would severely weaken the agency," Gostin said.

Swear to god, Trump is such a suck-up and lacky to China, he is going to once again "defund and remove" far superior USA-Centric Pandemic Prevention teams and influence and hand it over to the country he left it to in late 2019.

That is when he left it up to China to keep and eye on emerging viruses and potential Pandemics, expecting them and not US to give the world a heads up about potential Pandemics soon enough to PREVENT a deadly, worldwide economy-destroying Pandemic from developing!

Remember how well that worked out last time he did that? Well, he's determined to do it again.

[EihTooms]

Interesting observation. It doesn't just apply to Jews and Muslims. Tooms probably could also come up with similar reasons why Harris lost because she got fewer votes than Biden among other groups. For example black men in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. Or Hispanics. Suburban women, and so on. The fact is that you add up all these groups, including white males, and Harris lost by 2. 3 million popular votes and 86 electoral votes. Trump and Republicans may not have a mandate, as the country's still close to being split down the middle. But they won, and they get to call the shots.

His argument that Kamala didn't have enough time to get out her message doesn't ring true either. She was a lousy candidate, plain and simple. She would have lost if she'd been the nominee from the start. The Democrats might just have won the presidency if they'd run someone like Kyrsten Sinema, Joe Manchin or a middle-of-the-road governor against Trump, who also was a weak candidate IMHO. But the Democratic Party's moved too far to the left to nominate someone like them.

House Majorities are not determined by how many votes every Dem House candidate got across the country vs every Repub House candidate.

House districts are so gerrymandered that many if not most districts barely experience a true campaign. The candidates' party has chosen its voters and they simply wait for the election results to come in.

We don't know how many overall votes would be for Dems vs Repubs if districts were drawn strictly by population and not by Party affiliation, thereby requiring each Party's candidate to duke it out in a real campaign.

It may very well be that the only reason more Repubs vote for Repub House candidates is because the Repub Party gerrymanders their districts so tight within an inch on either side of a registered Repub that there is virtually no reason for a Dem to spend 1 dime or an afternoon campaigning there trying to reverse total insanity.

If the number of votes for Dem Senators vs Repub Senators as well as Dem presidential candidates vs Repub presidential candidates over the past 35 years is any indication of how outlawing gerrymandering would change the overall number of votes across the country for House Dems vs Repub Dems I would say Repubs better hope gerrymandering is never outlawed.

See, the kind of campaign I am talking about is where the candidates have to put some time into covering their particular district's needs while also actually explaining that, no, the unemployment rate is not at an all-time high, the stock market is not at an all-time low, the price of gasoline is not double where it hit in 2019, Joe Biden did not overturn Roe V Wade, yes, Joe Biden did drop out of the race and Kamala Harris is now the Dem presidential candidate and so on.

You know, basic information that sizable numbers and percentages of voters were actually unclear about, thanks to the wonderful world of typically pro Repub Mainstream Media, right up to and beyond November 5th.

[EihTooms]

And whose fault is that? The Arab American Democrats? LOL.

Votes do not matter? Yes, this is why you are Loony Tooms.

And yet she was up in the polls and in the betting markets until the VP debate. She followed up that bump in the road with incredibly idiotic comments about NC hurricane victims and it was all over after that.

Of course, there was time to recover, but the next problem was Democratic douches like yourself. If Trump is Hitler and Netanyahu is Trump, then Netanyahu is Hitler. It is hard to be more antisemitic than that. And then there was portraying Josh Shapiro as Hermann Goering. Dems may have won Pennsylvania if Shapiro had been chosen. If the Democratic douches like yourself were not so proArab and antisemitic, Kamala may have won. He he. Allah Akbar indeed!

My assessment for why Biden dropped out has not changed since I posted it here the week it happened; Typically pro Repub Mainstream Media's collective gasp and way over-reaction to Biden's worsening with age verbal tick in the debate spooked the down ballot Dem donors and the money for their campaigns was pulled. He knew he would not have lost less than a 0. 9 point vote swing to Trump in PA, MI and WI and therefore win a 2nd term. But that might have come at the expense of more Repubs in the House and Senate. So he dropped out.

Meanwhile, Joe Biden's intellect, analytical skills, cognitive competence, experience, knowledge, preparedness and fitness for office, the attributes a person uses to do the job of president well, are all far superior this very day to any Repub presidential candidate or president ever.

Sure, if Harris has spent the last 7 years campaigning for November 5, 2024 the way Trump has then she would have had time to shore up any demos necessary. But her only deficit in hitting the 270 EC Votes she needed to win was a razor-thin swing in those three states, wherever it came from. It happened to come from a demo both sides courted but neither side was responsible for their grievance or the fix for it.

Aw, voters rushed to poor Trumpty-Dumpty because his VP pick and other meanies said bad things about him, calling him Hitler and all that. Poor baby. LOL.

After campaigning for 7 solid years, even the 114,890 angry Muslim voters who voted for him instead of Harris and thereby "gave Trump the presidency" already deeply regret that decision.

Trump is Hitler?

Trump is Netanyahu?

Nope.

Trump is Presidents-elect Musk, Ramaswamy and Bannon's boy, sucker. LOL.

[Tiny 12]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AM3VDyVIpY

You admire one of America's Grand Oil Fa*s and ex-Trannies, Mr. Garrison.

I shall reply to the blasphemy in your other posts in due course.

[Tiny 12]

No, you are as usual. You are so full of your usual Dem good, Republican bad nonsense that you NEVER criticize your own team even when they fuck up.

While you babble on about Arab Americans, the real Democratic turncoats were Jews. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...an-jewish-vote.

Thirty-four percentage points separated Trump from Vice President Kamala Harris among Jewish voters, according to Fox News Voter Analysis. Harris won their support 66% to 32%. In 2020,69% voted for President Biden, 30% voted for Trump. That is +5 for Trump.

In the mean time, you demonized Arab Americans, but Muslim voters favored Harris. Trump won 32% of their vote, while Harris won 63%. In 2020, Biden had won 64% of the Muslim vote, and Trump had won 35%. That is a total of only +4 for Trump.

And who could blame the Jewish voters for being like this? Kamala left competent governor Josh Shapiro at the altar for the idiot Tim Walz. And they did as you just did and trashed Isreal's uber defender, Netanyahu. How dare you compare him to Trump!

There is nothing less to say other than Merry Fucking Christmas everyone and more importantly, Happy fucking Hanukkah! He he he.

Interesting observation. It doesn't just apply to Jews and Muslims. Tooms probably could also come up with similar reasons why Harris lost because she got fewer votes than Biden among other groups. For example black men in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. Or Hispanics. Suburban women, and so on. The fact is that you add up all these groups, including white males, and Harris lost by 2. 3 million popular votes and 86 electoral votes. Trump and Republicans may not have a mandate, as the country's still close to being split down the middle. But they won, and they get to call the shots.

His argument that Kamala didn't have enough time to get out her message doesn't ring true either. She was a lousy candidate, plain and simple. She would have lost if she'd been the nominee from the start. The Democrats might just have won the presidency if they'd run someone like Kyrsten Sinema, Joe Manchin or a middle-of-the-road governor against Trump, who also was a weak candidate IMHO. But the Democratic Party's moved too far to the left to nominate someone like them.

What's very curious is Tooms' rejection of the House results:

With all this red herring talk about Harris or the Dems losing demos to Trump and the Repubs, where is the evidence of it in an outcome that would have had the Dems being sworn in as House Majority in about three weeks were it not for the unprecedented, outrageous undemocratic rigging and cheating by the NC Repubs, the "shocking" outcome of Ruby Red West Virginia, Montana and Ohio voting for Repub Senators and Assistant to the Presidents-elect Trump squeezing out a narrow win based solely on a relative handful of voters from a demo over which no Dem, Repub or domestic elected official had control or meaningful influence?

The Democrats lost the House popular vote by 4 million, and 2. 7%. Yet Democrats should have won the House? Somehow Republicans in North Carolina rigged and cheated more than Democrats in Illinois, Maryland, New York, New Mexico, etc. I don't get that.

https://www.cookpolitical.com/vote-tracker/2024/house

[Elvis 2008]

Kamala Harris had 107 days to campaign

And whose fault is that? The Arab American Democrats? LOL.

The drop in demos for Harris is largely irrelevant.

Votes do not matter? Yes, this is why you are Loony Tooms.

She had to focus her time, the money and attention on the states that would matter, particularly PA, MI and WI, with perhaps GA, NV and Arizona to spare.

And yet she was up in the polls and in the betting markets until the VP debate. She followed up that bump in the road with incredibly idiotic comments about NC hurricane victims and it was all over after that.

Of course, there was time to recover, but the next problem was Democratic douches like yourself. If Trump is Hitler and Netanyahu is Trump, then Netanyahu is Hitler. It is hard to be more antisemitic than that. And then there was portraying Josh Shapiro as Hermann Goering. Dems may have won Pennsylvania if Shapiro had been chosen. If the Democratic douches like yourself were not so proArab and antisemitic, Kamala may have won. He he. Allah Akbar indeed!

[Xpartan]

Netanyahu hide his crimes behind war. Palestinians deserve a real country.

And they will have it but not before they learn how to live in peace with their neighbors.

For the umpteenth time: They had their independence, but they blew it by starting the war. Losing a war has consequences. A Frenchman who knows the history of his own country should understand it better than anyone.

[Sirioja]

I was trying to make a very narrow point that wouldn't warrant covering the last few decades of US politics. Maybe I need to explain better.

1. You're right, Netanyahu and his security apparatus were complicit in Oct 7. No doubts about it. I hope after this is over, Israelis will make him take responsibility for his inaction and other trespasses as well.

2. That said, you'll have to forgive Netanyahu for defending his country to the best of his ability regardless whether it did or didn't somewhat, somehow, maybe contribute to Trump's win. I personally find your statement quite problematic. It doesn't take too much to enrage Arab-American voters, who, quite honestly, don't need any excuses to hate Israel. In this regard, the relentless MSM coverage of Ivy League occupiers "movement" and their uncritical parroting of Hamas lies about Gaza civilian casualties did more damage than Netanyahu could ever do.

3. Your response shows you misunderstood what I meant by saying some people wouldn't dare demand the same restrain from anyone else that they demand from Israel. It's probably my fault for not making it clear.

Israel is not sending troops overseas -- Israel is fighting for its own existence.

To illustrate, imagine that a few gangs of bloodthirsty, sadistic Belizeans are sent across the border by the Belize government to kill everyone they find in their path, be it a soldier or civilian man, woman or child. Imagine further that those gangs follow their orders with such intense medieval enthusiasm that it makes your blood curdle. Then, after they murdered 1,500 Americans, they proceed taking hundreds of American hostages back to Belize to hide behind their hostages as well as innocent Belizean bystanders, who, by the way, immediately take the streets of Belize cities and chant Glory to Our Leaders and Death to America. Oh, and I totally forgot to mention that the whole country of Belize is one densely populated urban area, with all kinds of military targets embedded within civilian infrastructure, which makes it IMPOSSIBLE to avoid civilian casualties despite the US military technological advances.

And did I also mention that the Belize government routinely sent rockets into the US for years with almost no reaction from the US? No? Well, they did.

So how about you? Would you demand from the United States to compromise with the terrorist government of Belize in order to avoid collateral damage? If yes, then would the US comply with your demands? Would ANY COUNTRY on this planet comply with such demands under similar circumstances?

I think you know the answer already.

* Since we're living in interesting times, let me state expressly that I have nothing against Belize and its people, that my Belize references were purely for illustration purposes, and that Belize is probably a wonderful country populated by friendly and peace-loving people (never been)..

Netanyahu hide his crimes behind war. Palestinians deserve a real country, as well as Israelians who were given, but USA have much more interest with Israel.

[EihTooms]

No, you are as usual. You are so full of your usual Dem good, Republican bad nonsense that you NEVER criticize your own team even when they fuck up.

While you babble on about Arab Americans, the real Democratic turncoats were Jews. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...an-jewish-vote.

Thirty-four percentage points separated Trump from Vice President Kamala Harris among Jewish voters, according to Fox News Voter Analysis. Harris won their support 66% to 32%. In 2020,69% voted for President Biden, 30% voted for Trump. That is +5 for Trump.

In the mean time, you demonized Arab Americans, but Muslim voters favored Harris. Trump won 32% of their vote, while Harris won 63%. In 2020, Biden had won 64% of the Muslim vote, and Trump had won 35%. That is a total of only +4 for Trump.

And who could blame the Jewish voters for being like this? Kamala left competent governor Josh Shapiro at the altar for the idiot Tim Walz. And they did as you just did and trashed Isreal's uber defender, Netanyahu. How dare you compare him to Trump!

There is nothing less to say other than Merry Fucking Christmas everyone and more importantly, Happy fucking Hanukkah! He he he.

Assistant to the Presidents-elect, Donald Trump, had been campaigning for that 2nd Term run since 12:01 pm January 20,2017.

His reliably pro Repub Mainstream Media has been sane-washing his idiotic blather and normalizing his Anti-America, America-hating rhetoric and nonsensical "plans" for the economy and national security ever since that hour.

Kamala Harris had 107 days to campaign and get her message out about where the economy is, why, what her plans are as president regarding the economy, national security and foreign policy and to clear up almost 7 solid years of Trump / Repub / MSM lies about all of it.

She had to focus her time, the money and attention on the states that would matter, particularly PA, MI and WI, with perhaps GA, NV and Arizona to spare.

There was no time and, as it turned out, no value in her campaigning in every Blue State, no matter how interesting and more widely informative every campaign appearance might be to the broader demos around the country just so she could shore up and recover to full strength and beyond every historically Dem demo out there, especially if she wouldn't need them to win those states anyway.

Consequently, no one should be surprised that among the millions of Biden 2020 voters who didn't bother to vote because they are perfectly fine with their situation today and, what the hell, "bothsiders" assure us it doesn't matter who is president and how bad could it get no matter who wins anyay, that there were significant percentages of those demos who went missing for the Dem candidate this time.

The drop in demos for Harris is largely irrelevant. She didn't lose California, New York or Virginia because there was a drop in Dem demos she simply did not have time to rally back to awareness and sanity. In fact, she didn't lose any hisorically Blue state for that reason. She only lost PA, MI and WI for the reason I have stated and the campaign strategists on both sides will most sure come to realize and that only by a narrow margin.

With all this red herring talk about Harris or the Dems losing demos to Trump and the Repubs, where is the evidence of it in an outcome that would have had the Dems being sworn in as House Majority in about three weeks were it not for the unprecedented, outrageous undemocratic rigging and cheating by the NC Repubs, the "shocking" outcome of Ruby Red West Virginia, Montana and Ohio voting for Repub Senators and Assistant to the Presidents-elect Trump squeezing out a narrow win based solely on a relative handful of voters from a demo over which no Dem, Repub or domestic elected official had control or meaningful influence?

And this in a year where the Global Trend was fir "change" from the party in the top spot? LOL.

Sorry, it ain't there in the numbers and results.

[Elvis 2008]

You're lashing out at the wrong people on the wrong point.

No, you are as usual. You are so full of your usual Dem good, Republican bad nonsense that you NEVER criticize your own team even when they fuck up.

While you babble on about Arab Americans, the real Democratic turncoats were Jews. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...an-jewish-vote.

Thirty-four percentage points separated Trump from Vice President Kamala Harris among Jewish voters, according to Fox News Voter Analysis. Harris won their support 66% to 32%. In 2020,69% voted for President Biden, 30% voted for Trump. That is +5 for Trump.

In the mean time, you demonized Arab Americans, but Muslim voters favored Harris. Trump won 32% of their vote, while Harris won 63%. In 2020, Biden had won 64% of the Muslim vote, and Trump had won 35%. That is a total of only +4 for Trump.

And who could blame the Jewish voters for being like this? Kamala left competent governor Josh Shapiro at the altar for the idiot Tim Walz. And they did as you just did and trashed Isreal's uber defender, Netanyahu. How dare you compare him to Trump!

There is nothing less to say other than Merry Fucking Christmas everyone and more importantly, Happy fucking Hanukkah! He he he.

[Xpartan]

You're lashing out at the wrong people on the wrong point.

My point was regarding the 114890 votes for Trump instead of Harris. I am more in line with Harris' opinion of the conflict; that.

Israel has a right to defend itself and how it does so matters. The same as I felt about my country after the Attack On 9-11.

And that Harris was not in control of the factors that caused those 114,890 votes to swing from her to Trump in those three states and thereby "gave the presidency" to Trump.

Neither did Biden.

In fact, neither did Trump.

Netanyahu held the lever of control on the issue that "gave Trump the presidency" in that regard. Wittingly and willingly or not.

Now, if your follow up argument then is that, no, Hamas held all the levers on it and there was nothing Netanyahu could say or do to alter his and his alone decisions on this, go for it.

My larger point is that the media and political pundits would love nothing better than for Dems to please for the love of God stop doing whatever it is they do time and time again to recover the USA Economy from one Great Repub Downturn and Massive Jobs Destruction after another, examine their conscience for getting it so wrong this year, change their entire Party agenda and please start being more like Economy-Destroying Repubs. That is a bad idea. And not even remotely necessary based on what all the evidence and facts tell us about this election.

The reason Trump won instead of Harris is due to a very narrow demo decision in three battleground / swing states on an issue neither Harris nor, presumably, Trump had any control and nothing more than that.

As far as the assertion in your post Subject line goes, I dare to demand from MY OWN COUNTRY a level of restraint when it comes to fuck ups like GHW Bush sleeping through the warnings he got from our Iraq Ambassador for Saddam Hussain's inquiries about how he felt about him annexing Kuwait, which plunged US into an unnecessary war that could have been averted.

Same for idiot GW Bush who slept through an astonishing level of terrorist "chatter" intel and at least one alarming Presidential Daily Briefing that allowed his Attack On 9-11 to succeed without a hitch and led US into 2-3 unnecessary wars that could have been averted.

Same with idiot Donald Trump, who slept through all expert warnings not to do something so dangerous and stupid as to defund and remove the highly regarded and successful Pandemic Prevention team leadership from those Chinese labs, leading directly to US losing more than a million citizen lives along with historic economic collapse and hardship.

These are examples of American numbskulls of whom I demanded restraint to the point of them resigning and nobody voting for anyone in their Party ever again. Obviously, my demands were not met. But I had plenty of justification in demanding it.

And I will add this; when I say Netanyahu is Israel's version of GW Bush and Donald Trump, there sure appears to me to be ample evidence of complicity with the enemy and near criminal negligence on National Security on Netanyahu's side to suggest the bloody conflict his country is embroiled in today could very likely have been averted as well had it not been for Netanyahu's GW Bush / Trump-like incompetence. I'm not seeing Netanyahu as just an innocent, blameless victim in his mess, buffetted by fate into a position where there was and is no possibility of mitigation or steering away from the storm anymore than I saw it in those three idiot Repub presidents of my own country:

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now its blown up in our faces.
The premiers policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from.
Oct 8, 2023

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-ye...-in-our-faces/

Why did Israel, Netanyahu knowingly neglect West Bank security in 2017? - analysis.
Feb. 28, 2023

https://m.jpost.com/arab-israeli-con...article-733000

I was trying to make a very narrow point that wouldn't warrant covering the last few decades of US politics. Maybe I need to explain better.

1. You're right, Netanyahu and his security apparatus were complicit in Oct 7. No doubts about it. I hope after this is over, Israelis will make him take responsibility for his inaction and other trespasses as well.

2. That said, you'll have to forgive Netanyahu for defending his country to the best of his ability regardless whether it did or didn't somewhat, somehow, maybe contribute to Trump's win. I personally find your statement quite problematic. It doesn't take too much to enrage Arab-American voters, who, quite honestly, don't need any excuses to hate Israel. In this regard, the relentless MSM coverage of Ivy League occupiers "movement" and their uncritical parroting of Hamas lies about Gaza civilian casualties did more damage than Netanyahu could ever do.

3. Your response shows you misunderstood what I meant by saying some people wouldn't dare demand the same restrain from anyone else that they demand from Israel. It's probably my fault for not making it clear.

Israel is not sending troops overseas -- Israel is fighting for its own existence.

To illustrate, imagine that a few gangs of bloodthirsty, sadistic Belizeans are sent across the border by the Belize government to kill everyone they find in their path, be it a soldier or civilian man, woman or child. Imagine further that those gangs follow their orders with such intense medieval enthusiasm that it makes your blood curdle. Then, after they murdered 1,500 Americans, they proceed taking hundreds of American hostages back to Belize to hide behind their hostages as well as innocent Belizean bystanders, who, by the way, immediately take the streets of Belize cities and chant Glory to Our Leaders and Death to America. Oh, and I totally forgot to mention that the whole country of Belize is one densely populated urban area, with all kinds of military targets embedded within civilian infrastructure, which makes it IMPOSSIBLE to avoid civilian casualties despite the US military technological advances.

And did I also mention that the Belize government routinely sent rockets into the US for years with almost no reaction from the US? No? Well, they did.

So how about you? Would you demand from the United States to compromise with the terrorist government of Belize in order to avoid collateral damage? If yes, then would the US comply with your demands? Would ANY COUNTRY on this planet comply with such demands under similar circumstances?

I think you know the answer already.

* Since we're living in interesting times, let me state expressly that I have nothing against Belize and its people, that my Belize references were purely for illustration purposes, and that Belize is probably a wonderful country populated by friendly and peace-loving people (never been)..