American Politics

[EihTooms]

It's really too bad the rest of the country has to suffer the same outcome the suckers who voted for Trump and any other Congressional Repubs, a nothing Third Party candidate or stayed home and did not vote at all will have to suffer as the result.

Otherwise, this kind of Repub Numbskull Comedy would be so so so much more fun!

Given the choice between his tech bro billionaire donors and the sucker, loser MAGAs he and they have been conning all this time, Trump's preference is blissfully easy:

Trump sides with tech bosses in Maga fight over immigrant visas

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyv7gxp02yo

"Our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence," Ramaswamy wrote in a long X post that argued that foreign workers improve the US economy.

"A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ, or the jock over the valedictorian the top student in a class, will not produce the best engineers," he wrote.
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Musk then shot back at "contemptible fools", saying he was referring to "those in the Republican Party who are hateful, unrepentant racists".

"They will absolutely be the downfall of the Republican Party if they are not removed," he wrote.

Yep. Assistant to Presidents-elect Musk, Ramaswamy and Bannon is four square in agreement with the Tech Bro Billionaire Donors portion of his bosses about those MAGAs who were dumb enough to fall for their con about "immigrants taking your jobs" and that anyone on Team Trump had the least interest in putting "America First" in the racist way they had hoped.

Oh well. Lolololol.

Gee. Nobody knew! Lololol.

[Sirioja]

Chaos is welcoming crazy Trump who is also prosecuted to pay big millions, as a sexual criminal, Putin holding his balls in hand. Great USA led by him. Maybe he should start to improve Boeing and from his friend Tesla.

Such symbols: a Texan killer and a Tesla exploding in front of Trump hotel, both cars rent on same rental, chaos for Trump, even before entering White House. USA may receive from who they elected. From me, just not buying low quality products.

[Sirioja]

Chaos is welcoming crazy Trump who is also prosecuted to pay big millions, as a sexual criminal, Putin holding his balls in hand. Great USA led by him. Maybe he should start to improve Boeing and from his friend Tesla.

[SubCmdr]

https://youtu.be/T2z8App14bs?si=s3RvOtXf6N9zv41y

Watch this. The tax code is the tax code. Anybody has the right to use the provisions of the tax code to pay the least amount of tax possible. That is the law of the land. There is NOTHING wrong with doing that.

[EihTooms]

Apologies Tooms. "Rational" was much too strong of a word. The idea that Trump is a mass murderer because people died from a pandemic that started in China while he was president almost makes sense by the side of this:


Dearest Marquesa, my best friends are mostly deluded white Pro MAGA Americans. Actually they've got pretty good sense about many things but actually believe Trump really won in 2020! ROTFLMAO! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

It's good that this is an anonymous hooker board. So nobody will be looking to get you committed for this,

epidemic

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...glish/epidemic

the appearance of a particular disease in a large number of people at the same time:
a flu epidemic

pandemic

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...glish/pandemic

(of a disease) existing in almost all of an area or in almost all of a group of people, animals, or plants:

A report on pandemic flu released last year said "the potential for catastrophe is immense."

Uh. The "pandemic" didn't start in China. China only experienced an initial spread of the virus in a way one could, at most, characterize as an "epidemic". And one that could have been confined to that one region of China. Systems were set up and agents stationed in those Chinese labs to do that very thing whenever necessary.

The worldwide "pandemic" started AFTER and FROM the "epidemic" virus in that particular region of China because those earliest cases were not reported to responsible parties for critical weeks and, during that time, it was allowed to move freely and spread via all modes of transportation to all parts of the world, at which point it was no longer possible to "control" it in the traditional sense. Only to mitigate and vaccinate against it.

The proven preferred method for the latter would be essentially the Polar opposite of what Trump did for the entire critical year 2020.

In addition to which and most important of all, the reason there were no responsible parties to issue those earliest warnings "two months sooner" so we could prevent and "avoid all the trouble easily" and, in an effort to Prevent a Pandemic from developing, swing into action to do everything possible to CONFINE it to a mere "epidemic" in a particular region of China can be found in any number of verified, truthful and real world reports that I have been posting here for quite some time.

In short: Trump allowed it to start and ushered in Trump's Pandemic. He "started" it with his worst economic and national security decisions of all time. Not China. And then he exacerbated it, made his colossal blunder even worse by spending virtually all of critical year 2020 lying about it, mocking and deriding the known mitigation measures, even further defunding the agencies depended upon to Respond to and Mitigate damage done by his Pandemic as well as discouraging THE WORLD from bothering to invent a vaccine for it, much less take it.

All of which he did, BTW, contrary to all expert warnings for him not to do something so dangerous and stupid.

Now, I realize MAGAs, Trumpsters, Repubs, supposed "conservatives" and so on don't see any "rational" reason to have done the Polar opposite of virtually everything Trump did prior to, during and after he started Trump's Pandemic and for All the world appears to be hell-bent to do all over again.

But unless someone points out these blatantly obvious unrivaled contributions he made to creating Trump's Pandemic when one did not have to be created and could have been averted so "easily", well, then I suppose we are doomed to repeat all of Trump's Disasters over and over and over again until it finally becomes an unavoidably "rational" idea in everyone's head to vote for people and Parties that would never have done something as dangerous and stupid as what Trump did and has become an expert at doing.

[MarquisdeSade1]

Apologies Tooms. "Rational" was much too strong of a word. The idea that Trump is a mass murderer because people died from a pandemic that started in China while he was president almost makes sense by the side of this:


Dearest Marquesa, my best friends are mostly deluded white Pro MAGA Americans. Actually they've got pretty good sense about many things but actually believe Trump really won in 2020! ROTFLMAO! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

It's good that this is an anonymous hooker board. So nobody will be looking to get you committed for this,

Chas Koch is worth 66 bn he isn't paying enough taxes nor is this turd.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/world...200304001.html

He didn't earn 213 BILLION this year, he's not paying the proper amount of taxes or wages.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...red-americans/

Nor is Bozo or Zuckerturd Or that POS Gaggot Bill Gates.

And the only reason you won't admit that they cheated in 2020 because you approved of it.

He ran in 2016 2020 and 2024 and won every time.

How many times did you vote for him.

You are like ET the cheaters could come out and confess on live TV and you would still say he wasn't cheated.

[Tiny 12]

Respectfully, this post is not rational.

Apologies Tooms. "Rational" was much too strong of a word. The idea that Trump is a mass murderer because people died from a pandemic that started in China while he was president almost makes sense by the side of this:

Obese not Tiny Tina I clearly love most white people

Just not Chase The Gun Oliver voters that hate all white people that aren't Libertarian want to be Slave Owners like them.

I hate Joe Biden because his policies reflect those of someone who hates white people like you.

Generally speaking the DNC and the Never Trumper Libertarian Party both hate non trans heterosexual white Pro MAGA Americans.

Dearest Marquesa, my best friends are mostly deluded white Pro MAGA Americans. Actually they've got pretty good sense about many things but actually believe Trump really won in 2020! ROTFLMAO! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

It's good that this is an anonymous hooker board. So nobody will be looking to get you committed for this,

Until June 16 2015 NYC The Man was ReBorn MAGA DJT.

Ala The Ascension of Christ, The World was gifted from the Cosmos with the Descension of the Born Again MAGA Donald J Trump.

The Savior of White Heterosexual Christianity in America and the rest of Western Civilization.

[EihTooms]

Respectfully, this post is not rational. That's unless you believe Trump should have used the national guard, police and armed forces to enforce a quarantine on the country. And then, after his Administration's Operation Warp Speed helped get mRNA vaccines developed and approved in record time, he had forced Americans to get vaccinated. And Biden had continued Trump's "vaccine at gunpoint" policy after he took office.

A lot more Americans died from COVID during Biden's term than Trump's.

To be clear, the belief that the CDC or NIH could have magically prevented the world wide pandemic if not for budget cuts is not rational.

I just want to make sure you are aware of what actually, truly, verifiably did happen in the real world in the past before you start parroting Trump's blatant lies and lame excuses about "nobody knew" this or that for his next colossal worldwide health and economic crisis:

10 times Trump and his administration were warned about coronavirus.
April 12, 2020

https://www.axios.com/2020/04/12/tru...virus-warnings

US could have averted 40% of Covid deaths, says panel examining Trump's policies.
The country began the pandemic with a degraded public health infrastructure, leading to more deaths than other high-income countries.
Feb. 11, 2021

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-health-policy

Lying again about the pandemic, Trump made 200 false claims from early June to early July.
July 18, 2020

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/18/polit...020/index.html

All the Presidents Lies About the Coronavirus.
An unfinished compendium of Trumps overwhelming dishonesty during a national emergency.
Nov. 2, 2020

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...avirus/608647/

Bob Woodward Was Stunned By What Trump Told Young Son Barron About Coronavirus

https://www.yahoo.com/news/bob-woodw...091902598.html

"And to be honest with you, Barron, they shouldve let it be known it was a problem two months earlier ... the world wouldnt have a problem. We could have stopped it easily.

Trump says hed disband the pandemic preparedness office - again.
May 3, 2024

https://thebulletin.org/2024/05/trum...-office-again/

Trump transition team plans immediate WHO withdrawal, expert says.
Dec. 23, 2024

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/tru...ys-2024-12-23/

Uh. Did you ever consider there are ways a leader can avert worldwide pandemics and economic disaster other than at gun-point?

For starters, he can NOT defund and remove the very agency leadership specifically put in place to issue the earliest, most effective heads up despite all expert warnings for him not to do something so dangerous and stupid.

Next, he might decide not to, you know, lie about it from the start, mock and decide all known and proven mitigation measures.

Oh, maybe after that NOT lampoon and deny any need to invent a vaccine for it much less ever bother taking one.

Things like that.

Really. Those decisions can be made and applied long, long before he calls out the military and demands everyone get vaccinated at gun-point. Leaders in other countries with far lower per capita death rates from Trump's Pandemic managed to figure out how to do it.

I know that does not seem "rational" to you and other Trumpsters. But it really did happen that way in other countries without a president named Trump.

Even after his pre 2020 decisions ushered in Trump's Pandemic, he could have then humbly asked Americans to do their best to prevent an out-of-control spread of it until Obama's 10 years earlier Rapid Vaccine Development program did its job.

[MarquisdeSade1]

Musk may be South African, but he's white. So are Joe Biden, Nick Gillespie, Mitt Romney, and Charles Koch. Why do you hate white people?

Charles Koch individually paid $211 million in federal income tax from 2013 to 2018 according to the ProPublica leak. It's difficult to get a handle on taxes paid by Koch Industries, as it's a private company. But, as the New York Times says.

Sorry, Harry Reid: Koch Industries Probably Pays a Lot of Corporate Tax

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/28/u...orate-tax.html

The NYT journalist says.

"Through a freedom of information request, I obtained the original statements (essentially, prospectuses) for those bond issuances. They contain broad information about Koch Industries' financial condition, including the fact that it paid corporate income tax for the years 1990 through 1994. In fact, it paid at quite high effective rates, ranging from 34.1 percent to 38.3 percent. ".

Trump on the other hand is a tax dodger. I'm not saying he's a tax evader. But he's a world class tax avoider. According to NYT reporting, from 2002 to 2017, Trump only paid federal income tax in 5 of 15 years. A House committee released Trump's tax returns from 2015 to 2020, and here's what he paid.

2015: Paid $641,931 in federal taxes.
2016: Paid $750.
2017: Paid $750.
2018: Paid $999,466.
2019: Paid $133,445.
2020: Claimed a refund of $5. 47 million.

Trump's businesses are pass throughs, so he doesn't bear any corporate income tax.

It wouldn't be surprising if you, a welfare penthouse owner, pay more income tax than Donald Trump, a multi-billionaire.

Yeah, the Koch Brothers would save with a flat tax. But they'd still pay much, much more to the Treasury than what they take back. A flat tax would also involve eliminating, to the extent possible, the loopholes that people like Trump use to take advantage of the system.

And as to slavery for all, employees rank Koch Industries above average on Glassdoor, while the Trump organization is average. Trump has a long, well verified history of cheating vendors and contractors, by paying them less than what they're owed and not paying for overtime and the like. That's not exactly slavery, but it's kind of like it, expecting them to work for free.

In summary, you're all wet in your criticisms of Charles Koch. But you'd be spot on if you directed them towards Donald Trump.

Just not Chase The Gun Oliver voters that hate all white people that aren't Libertarian want to be Slave Owners like them.

I hate Joe Biden because his policies reflect those of someone who hates white people like you.

Generally speaking the DNC and the Never Trumper Libertarian Party both hate non trans heterosexual white Pro MAGA Americans.

You wrote Glassdoor rates Koch above avg I find that shocking, but that is in despite his best efforts, he owns large companies that are protected by Labor Laws he would love to abolish.

Not to mention I'm sure he hires as many Libertarians that he can that love working for him, I sat on a flight from NYC to LAX with some young douchebag, when he turned on his laptop the screensaver.

Read Koch Industries, I asked you work them, he says yes, I asked doing what, he replied Charles is my boss, it was not a pleasant flight lolol.

Say what you will about Trumps douchebag business practices, I've seen my share of douchebags in business its extremely common, bid rigging etc etc etc but it was never ideological with him like the worthless turd Chas Koch), I never liked Trump in my entire life, I remember his book Tour bullshit in the 80's.

Until June 16 2015 NYC The Man was ReBorn MAGA DJT.

Ala The Ascension of Christ, The World was gifted from the Cosmos with the Descension of the Born Again MAGA Donald J Trump.

The Savior of White Heterosexual Christianity in America and the rest of Western Civilization.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...istory-227148/

[Tiny 12]

I can link at least 900,000 and still counting.

Birx recalls 'very difficult' call with Trump, says hundreds of thousands of Covid deaths were preventable

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...covid-n1262283

A supposed USA Citizen pretending to be a president in 2018,2019 and 2020 laid the groundwork for and eventually mass murdered at least 900,000 Americans and still counting, according to his own administration appointee to coordinate his response to Trump's Pandemic, which he ushered in due to his decisions in 2018 and 2019 anyway.

At least 900,000 Americans, Mass Murdered.

Thanks to Trump, voters like you and the apparent irresistible lure of golf for Repub potuses as a distraction from actually Knowing anything, Doing anything and working for a living.

Respectfully, this post is not rational. That's unless you believe Trump should have used the national guard, police and armed forces to enforce a quarantine on the country. And then, after his Administration's Operation Warp Speed helped get mRNA vaccines developed and approved in record time, he had forced Americans to get vaccinated. And Biden had continued Trump's "vaccine at gunpoint" policy after he took office.

A lot more Americans died from COVID during Biden's term than Trump's.

To be clear, the belief that the CDC or NIH could have magically prevented the world wide pandemic if not for budget cuts is not rational.

[Tiny 12]

I was clearly talking about Musk, are you obsessed with race like the far left too? Or are you really Spidy also?

Musk may be South African, but he's white. So are Joe Biden, Nick Gillespie, Mitt Romney, and Charles Koch. Why do you hate white people?

I wasn't referencing Vivek I was referring to Elon.

Your idiotic anecdotes about Our Lord and Savior, may or may not be true, Time mag is a rag for the Oligarchy I wouldn't wipe my ass with.

Do you think they are above lying about him? Ala The Russian hoax etc etc etc etc etc.

But Our Lord and Savior has been Saved by the New Religion of the United States its called MAGA.

He wouldn't do those things again if he even ever did?

His Raison Detre isn't like Chas Kochs which is total slavery for all and Zero taxes for him, Hunger Games for everyone including Morbidly Obese Tina!! LMAO.

Charles Koch individually paid $211 million in federal income tax from 2013 to 2018 according to the ProPublica leak. It's difficult to get a handle on taxes paid by Koch Industries, as it's a private company. But, as the New York Times says.

Sorry, Harry Reid: Koch Industries Probably Pays a Lot of Corporate Tax

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/28/u...orate-tax.html

The NYT journalist says.

"Through a freedom of information request, I obtained the original statements (essentially, prospectuses) for those bond issuances. They contain broad information about Koch Industries' financial condition, including the fact that it paid corporate income tax for the years 1990 through 1994. In fact, it paid at quite high effective rates, ranging from 34.1 percent to 38.3 percent. ".

Trump on the other hand is a tax dodger. I'm not saying he's a tax evader. But he's a world class tax avoider. According to NYT reporting, from 2002 to 2017, Trump only paid federal income tax in 5 of 15 years. A House committee released Trump's tax returns from 2015 to 2020, and here's what he paid.

2015: Paid $641,931 in federal taxes.
2016: Paid $750.
2017: Paid $750.
2018: Paid $999,466.
2019: Paid $133,445.
2020: Claimed a refund of $5. 47 million.

Trump's businesses are pass throughs, so he doesn't bear any corporate income tax.

It wouldn't be surprising if you, a welfare penthouse owner, pay more income tax than Donald Trump, a multi-billionaire.

Yeah, the Koch Brothers would save with a flat tax. But they'd still pay much, much more to the Treasury than what they take back. A flat tax would also involve eliminating, to the extent possible, the loopholes that people like Trump use to take advantage of the system.

And as to slavery for all, employees rank Koch Industries above average on Glassdoor, while the Trump organization is average. Trump has a long, well verified history of cheating vendors and contractors, by paying them less than what they're owed and not paying for overtime and the like. That's not exactly slavery, but it's kind of like it, expecting them to work for free.

In summary, you're all wet in your criticisms of Charles Koch. But you'd be spot on if you directed them towards Donald Trump.

[EihTooms]

https://www.10tv.com/article/news/lo...1-16943a04a658

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...nyc-subway-car#google_vignette.

https://nypost.com/2024/06/24/us-new...gets-10m-bond/

https://www.wxyz.com/us-news/crime/v...nt-laken-riley

https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news...gal-immigrant/

https://www.yahoo.com/news/person-in...230600625.html

I can link hundreds maybe even thousands of more murders.

Thanks to Scumbag Joe and voters like you!!

I can link at least 900,000 and still counting.

Birx recalls 'very difficult' call with Trump, says hundreds of thousands of Covid deaths were preventable

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...covid-n1262283

Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator in the Trump administration, described an "uncomfortable" call with President Donald Trump after an interview with CNN in August in which she discussed the threat posed by Covid-19.
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In a clip released earlier by CNN, Birx said the Trump administration could have prevented hundreds of thousands of Covid-19 deaths had it acted more forcefully to mitigate the pandemic.

"I look at it this way: The first time we have an excuse. There were about 100,000 deaths that came from that original surge," Birx said. "All of the rest of them, in my mind, could have been mitigated or decreased substantially."

A supposed USA Citizen pretending to be a president in 2018,2019 and 2020 laid the groundwork for and eventually mass murdered at least 900,000 Americans and still counting, according to his own administration appointee to coordinate his response to Trump's Pandemic, which he ushered in due to his decisions in 2018 and 2019 anyway.

At least 900,000 Americans, Mass Murdered.

Thanks to Trump, voters like you and the apparent irresistible lure of golf for Repub potuses as a distraction from actually Knowing anything, Doing anything and working for a living.

[MarquisdeSade1]

Apologies if they're due. Perhaps you didn't view the video you appeared to be replying to. It was about Ramaswamy.

But then you may have problems with South Africans as well.

Yes, I am obsessed with race. I have a strong preference for Latinas and east Asians with store bought breasts.

I don't know if you're white or not, but if so you sound like one of those guys that hate their own people.

[EihTooms]

For the sake of argument let's say you and Elvis were married. You have a few kids. Every Saturday night you buy a keg and the kids party their asses off. Around 3:00 AM Elvis comes home and takes away the keg. Now, who's going to be the popular one? And who actually did the right thing?

BTW, in this parable Elvis is the husband and you're the wife. (The majority of men are Republicans and the majority of women are Democrats.)

My experience and research on it has been the Dems arrive when the drunken Repub party has left the house in a total shambles, dead, dying and unconscious bodies strewn on the lawn and in every room.

An ambulance, emergency room care and undertakers costs money. Invariably more than the booze and beer Repubs vomited all over themselves and each other.

But the Repubs just blew all the household money on beer and pizza and when that ran out they put it on a credit card.

The few Repub survivors can be counted on whining and crying about the Dems' use of that same credit card to pay the First Responders to save their lives and get them back on their feet.

I am not familiar with any Dem party that was thrown just for the hell of it, the consequences be damned that left the house in a total shambles, dead and dying bodies strewn everywhere.

But I can certainly cite every Great Repub Depression, Great Repub Recession and Historic Jobs Destruction by the millions over the past 100 years. Virtually ALL of them them due to a drunken Repub party thrown just for the hell of it and producing no positive results.

[Tiny 12]

First of all, if as in Carter's hand off to Reagan, had a Repub president ever in the history of the Repub Party finished his term handing an incoming Dem president No Great Depression, No Great Recession, No Recession, not even a mini one, One of the 2-3 Best Average Annual Jobs Creation records in 100 years, a months and months-long Declining Inflation Rate, a months and months-long Declining Unemployment Rate that had only spiked up to 7. 8% for a single month before making its months and months' long Decline, having established a rule providing American Workers with one of the easiest no-brainer means to save and invest tax-deferred to a more secure retirement, No Quagmire and Counterproductive Wars, a perfectly reasonable and manageable National Debt and Deficit and a Peaceful Transfer of Power, even the Democratic Party would be joining the typically pro Repub Mainstream Media in demanding that his likeness be chiseled into Mount Rushmore as The Greatest Republican President of All Time.

Of course, him being a Dem, MSM looks at that Carter record and says, "Meh. Nothing to see here, folks. Move along. Well, at least he spent the next 40 years building affordable housing for low income Americans. But, damn, he didn't even create one They're Eating the Cats, They're Eating the Dogs headline for us to sell"!

And second, considering how consistantly polar opposite wrong prognostications for incoming Dem economic policy and stewardship "doom" vs incoming Repub economic policy and stewardship "greatness" have been for at least 100 years, there is no way in hell I would have bet an incoming Dem would have taken the economic conditions Reagan inherited from Carter and in 7 months plunged America into the Worst economic downturn since The Great Repub Depression and 14 months after that plunged America into a whopping ten consecutive months of greater than 10% Unemployment Rates.

That isn't what Dems do. If one wants that kind of dramatic turn around to economic disaster one must not vote for Dems. One must vote for Repubs directly, vote for a nothing Third Party candidate or choose not to vote, all of which are generally predictably destined to help put a Repub in the White House to accomplish that dramatic turnaround and decline anyway.

There would be a way for a Dem to avert that disastrous outcome, probably more than one, that Dem is going to choose the best one and do it.

The Repub will be too busy riding ponies, going fishing, clearing brush down at the ranch, sleeping or golfing, golfing and more golfing to even know or care if there is a way to avert it but given the chance he will definitely choose the absolute worst option. As is apparently contractually required of all Repub potuses.

For the sake of argument let's say you and Elvis were married. You have a few kids. Every Saturday night you buy a keg and the kids party their asses off. Around 3:00 AM Elvis comes home and takes away the keg. Now, who's going to be the popular one? And who actually did the right thing?

BTW, in this parable Elvis is the husband and you're the wife. (The majority of men are Republicans and the majority of women are Democrats.)