American Politics

[SubCmdr]

Do you support illegal immigration?

I did not see one single word where you addressed the fact that the individuals on the plane were in the United States of America without proper permission from immigration authorities. That means they were breaking the law. That for me is the bottom line. Everywhere I go in the world I have to follow the immigration rules. Why are the people of Colombia different?

Is there anything bumbling fumbling Trump won't do to strengthen trade relations between our trade allies and China? LOL.

US, Colombia reach deal on deportations; tariff, sanctions put on hold.
Jan. 27, 2025

https://www.reuters.com/world/americ...ts-2025-01-26/

Amid all the chest-beating and howling at the moon over the false claim that Trump throwing a sit on the floor cry-baby tantrum to get his way "won" anything for any American tax-payer, I see that part above is never or rarely mentioned by the Repubs' typical breathless supporters in Mainstream Media.

To recap:

Trump gets publicly spanked by Colombia of all places and wins the distinction of them putting the "We are not Nazis" meme for him and America into the World Leader lexicon and buzz.

Colombia, Mexico, Canada and godknowswhoelse turned back Trump's showy and silly military plane stunt, causing Trump to no doubt waste millions of American tax-dollars more on the whipped puppy turnaround and repeat flights. Super punked.

Colombia gets to look and sound like the reasonable adult on the planet compared to cry-baby Trump.

The price of coffee, bananas, flowers, etc will likely STILL go higher for the American Consumer simply due to Trump's now even greater determination to blather on and on with his Trump Tariffs threats even if he NEVER actually imposes a tariff on Colombian goods.

All of our trade partners and allies are now taking a harder look at simply dispensing with this cry-baby tanTrump foolishness and might as well start shifting more of their trade to and with China. No surprise to anyone, of course.

The end result is Trump accomplished exactly zero more than what Biden was already doing in transporting illegal immigrant criminals back to their country by commercial air except in Trump's case it cost the American tax-payer much more and Biden was never bamboozled by Colombia, Mexico, Canada or anyone else into trotting around Cape Stupid, waving his arms and demanding "Hey, everybody, look at me trotting around Cape Stupid" first.

[Gabacho]

I am sure you don't have an issue with treating the estimated 15 K Americans living in Colombia illegally as prisoners of severe crimes? Let's handcuff all the Americans with expired or no visas and board them on a military plane back to the USA. Call them 'criminals" and make a public show out of it. I wonder who would do that?

Actually I don't have a problem with it at all, if they are breaking the law then cuff them. They can start by arresting the loud mouth gringo retirees that are always sitting on the benches by the church being loud and obnoxious.

I've never overstayed my visa or 90 days in Colombia. One time I even made a trip to Peru to get a new 90 days, never once have I ever overstayed.

Basically, if you're not going to respect the laws of the country you're in then you shouldn't be there, plain and simple.

Gabacho.

[Combo]

I hope Colmbia returns the favor and arrest all the Americans living in Colombia with expired or no visas the same way. Treat them like prisoners. Handcuff them and board them on military planes. I am sure you would agree with that treatment. Right?

I would have no problem with that. If they aren't following the immigration laws of Colombia, Colombia has the right to deport them.

[Flawless Zeal]

Generally speaking, crossing the border without being inspected / admitted (e. G. Swimming across Rio Grande) is a crime (usually misdemeanor), overstaying a work / tourist visa is a civil infraction, not a crime. TMYK.

[EihTooms]

LOL. Oh, that bullshit again? https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/g...ill-be-exposed.

There were key people like Peter Daszak from the EcoHealth Alliance, who just didn't answer subpoenas, right? There are documents that we know exist that we're going to get now with FBI communications between the bureau and a lot of these scientists dating back ten years. And it's going to tell a crazy story, a really interesting story. There's a reason why Fauci's pardon is backdated to 2014, because that's the time period they are going to have to start looking, which is, when did we start defying the ban on gain of function research. We clearly did. That's pretty established at this point.

And 2014 is when Dems started up all their bullshit in Ukraine. That is the same year as when Hunter was pardoned from. Maybe that is why Putin really invaded Ukraine, all those supposedly nonexistant biolabs. 2014 is the year the deep state really started going nuts.

Leave it to you to not have a clue what happened with Colombia. The first time socialist president Petro tried to make a human rights issue with Colombians who illegally entered the USA. The idiot penned a letter calling Trump a slave owner and wanting the destruction of humanity, and was literally goading Trump into war and saying Colombia would win. That is something very appealing to a Democratic douche like yourself. Aren't you totally in lock step with what this moronic president wrote Loony Tooms? Don't you think Colombia could win a war with Trump as Commander in Chief?

So Trump hit Colombia with 25% tariffs and banned the travel visas of those in government and was going to freeze the bank accounts of Colombians in power and their family members. And you know what happened Tooms? This guy Petro sent his OWN fucking jet to pick up the Colombians saving us the expense of flying them back.

So yeah, there was a trade war with Colombia, and it was over in 10 hours. He mouthed off against Trump, and Trump kicked Petro's fucking teeth in. Trump had the orders drawn up and any time he feels like he can sign them. That is how you govern. That is how you handle idiots.

No matter how much "hinting" idiot Matt Taibbi does into fellow idiot Tucker Carlson's ear, no documents will show it was Fauci who defunded and removed the Pandemic Prevention team leaders from those Chinese labs in 2019 contrary to all expert warnings not to do something so dangerous and stupid.

Trump did that.

Nor will all the "hinting" in the world change the video and documented evidence we all saw and know exists of Trump spending critical year 2020 lying about it in sync with Xi, who he now wants to again take control of worldwide monitoring and communications about potential Pandemic conditions BTW, lying that "we have this under control, it is disappearing, it will go away without a vaccine", mocking the known mitigation measures, exacerbating his initial blunder, or was it intentional, marching forward to Mass Murder as many Americans as possible, destroying worldwide economies. That was not Fauci on the world stage doing that.

Trump did that.

ICE makes close to 1,200 arrests in one day.
Nearly half of those detained dont have criminal records, according to a senior Trump administration official.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/...ers-rcna188937

Nearly half of the immigrants Trump is using military aircraft to transport at 4-5 times the cost to the American tax-payer vs commercial air craft and where sometimes less than 100 immigrant passengers are on a flight, adding even more immense unnecessary cost to the American tax-payer, don't even have a criminal record.

And that is a real assessment reported by a Trump source, see link, not some idiot "hinting" about it on another idiot's TV show.

Colombia and China won this round. Trump was punked, lost and ultimately made himsrlf look like a cry-baby, American tax-payer money-burning, comical "Nazi"-tactic fool.

All other world leaders noticed and know it.

[Spidy]

Why did you think I'd be interested in NYT articles when I'm only interested in your twisted mind.

And seriously man quit pasting whole damn things. Post a quote to illustrate what you are thinking. That's damn lazy what you're doing, seriously.

YES, you're quite right!

Not only is it very annoying, but also very lazy. Perhaps it all just goes to the thought, that with lazy posting, comes lazy thinking?

Can you image what a dreadful and terrible thread this would be, if EVERYONE just started posting/reprinting REAMS and REAMS of unauthorized COPYRIGHT material, just so someone else could read it for themselves, instead of using the link/URL and linking to the article to read it for themselves?

Not too mention what a legal nightmare it would be for ISG Admin?

And while it might be an interesting social-media experiment, to turn this thread in a total propaganda wasteland, I would hate to have to, wade through post after post of such unwarranted vile MAGA/ right-wing propaganda, just to find a post where I can actually read an ISGers own words and thoughts.

Food for thought:

At one point, I did ponder the thought, and wondered if there was a method to the madness, of when MDS1, annoyingly posts entire articles, as he does all the time?

I stumbled upon the notion, that when this happens, there had been perhaps, several earlier posts, refuting his MAGA propaganda, and that this was his attempt to suppress and push those posts, past "PAGE #1", since many ISGers don't typically read/look past the first screen when viewing recent thread information? FWIW, it was just a thought, but that's my guess to the madness!

The whole country has turned against the radical extremism of the left and you call me twisted? That's some pretty serious projecting there. Lololol.

Post a quote? The whole article is my quote, I'm a bridge from NYT to ISGs Politics thread, ok if you don't read the whole article maybe someone else will.

I'm pretty sure, you are not ONLY VIOLATING several ISG posting guidelines, but when you post the entire articles, as you do quite often (much to the annoyance of many members), you should know, you are also (I assume unwittingly) violating COPYRIGHT infringement. That is unless, you've somehow manage to obtain legal permission to reprint said articles?

Yes, if an ISGer wishes to read the whole article for themselves, then I'm sure they'll do so of their own feel will, with the aid of a simple link and perhaps a snippet of said article, should your article or accompanying non-lazy explanation, right-wing propaganda or case argument, happen to be compelling enough, to warrant an ISGer to want to click on the link of said article.

NO NEED TO CLUTTER THIS THREAD with REAMS and REAMS of COPYRIGHT propaganda, when a snippet and a link will suffice.

[The Cane]

I hope Colmbia returns the favor and arrest all the Americans living in Colombia with expired or no visas the same way. Treat them like prisoners. Handcuff them and board them on military planes. I am sure you would agree with that treatment. Right?

In fact, yes I would. Return our illegals and we will return those who belong to other countries.

[IamLookin]

I hope Colmbia returns the favor and arrest all the Americans living in Colombia with expired or no visas the same way. Treat them like prisoners. Handcuff them and board them on military planes. I am sure you would agree with that treatment. Right?

The answer is in your very own words. That which is "illegal" is a "crime". Thus "illegals" are "criminals" in violation of the immigration (and maybe other) laws of the United States of America. What part of "illegal" do you not get?

[IamLookin]

I am sure you don't have an issue with treating the estimated 15 K Americans living in Colombia illegally as prisoners of severe crimes? Let's handcuff all the Americans with expired or no visas and board them on a military plane back to the USA. Call them 'criminals" and make a public show out of it. I wonder who would do that?

The literal definition of "criminal" is someone who does something "illegal".

If someone enters the US illegally (or overstays his or her visa, or doesn't show up for his or her asylum court hearing). Then they are in the country illegally and by definition are criminals.

Try entering Venezuela illegally or disrespecting their laws and see what happens, buddy!

Trump is doing exactly what we wanted him to do and that is why we voted for him.

Gabacho.

[IamLookin]

Shouldn't Colombia then send back US "illegals" living in Colombia back to the USA? It is estimated that there are over 15 K living in Colombia with either expired visas or no visas at all.

I guess you are perfectly fine treating them as criminals and placing them in handcuffs and boarding them on a Colombian military plane back to the USA?

LOL. What do you think illegal means? That is like saying my understanding is they are cars labeled as automobiles.

[HumbleHal]

Who says they are criminals? Trump?
My understanding is they are illegals labeled as "criminals" by ... Trump.

Illegal entry.

Section 1325 of the USA Code criminalizes entering the United States without permission.

Illegal reentry.

Section 1326 of the USA Code criminalizes reentering the United States without permission.

Penalty.

The penalty for illegal entry or reentry can include a fine of up to $2,000, up to 6 months in prison, or both.

Bringing in an alien.

Section 1324 (a)(1)(A)(I) of the USA Code criminalizes bringing an alien into the United States at a place other than a designated port of entry.

Harboring an alien.

Section 1324 (ii) of the USA Code criminalizes harboring an alien who has entered the United States illegally.

[Spidy]

https://youtu.be/fmbZwxEnAFc

Hacky and crappy quotes, from TV fictional characters a side, I didn't peg you for one to bury your head in the sand on clean energy solutions like the hugely successful, Energy Efficient Home Improvement tax credits for American Homeowners?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neB3IZHcChI

But your wrong headed position, related to EV tax credits, is very much in line with many misconceptions sounding EVs, as if legacy ICE manufacturers and fossil fuel industry have never had gov't subsides and taxes of their own, is as laughable as your Billy Bob, crappy fossil fuel industry TV-show propaganda, pining about bygone days of oil.

Meanwhile, as China smiles and laughs at the idiot in the WH, who continually condemns America to a "drill baby drill" ONLY energy policy, while they surge ahead with terawatt installations of cheaper renewables every month, that replace coal, oil, gas and even outpace nuclear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwsAf0do-yo

[Mr Enternational]

Who says they are criminals? Trump?
My understanding is they are illegals labeled as "criminals" by the biggest criminal of all Trump.

LOL. What do you think illegal means? That is like saying my understanding is they are cars labeled as automobiles.

[Elvis 2008]

First of all, nothing has changed mongering for the WORSE than the day Trump defunded and removed the Pandemic Prevention team leadership from those Chinese labs in 2019 contrary to all expert warnings for him not to do something so dangerous and stupid.

LOL. Oh, that bullshit again? https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/g...ill-be-exposed.

There were key people like Peter Daszak from the EcoHealth Alliance, who just didn't answer subpoenas, right? There are documents that we know exist that we're going to get now with FBI communications between the bureau and a lot of these scientists dating back ten years. And it's going to tell a crazy story, a really interesting story. There's a reason why Fauci's pardon is backdated to 2014, because that's the time period they are going to have to start looking, which is, when did we start defying the ban on gain of function research. We clearly did. That's pretty established at this point.

And 2014 is when Dems started up all their bullshit in Ukraine. That is the same year as when Hunter was pardoned from. Maybe that is why Putin really invaded Ukraine, all those supposedly nonexistant biolabs. 2014 is the year the deep state really started going nuts.

Guess what. Now your boy and your vote is working on launching into a trade war and, knowing Trump's love for American Combat Wars at Home and Abroad, very possibly into an actual War with that mongering destination.

Leave it to you to not have a clue what happened with Colombia. The first time socialist president Petro tried to make a human rights issue with Colombians who illegally entered the USA. The idiot penned a letter calling Trump a slave owner and wanting the destruction of humanity, and was literally goading Trump into war and saying Colombia would win. That is something very appealing to a Democratic douche like yourself. Aren't you totally in lock step with what this moronic president wrote Loony Tooms? Don't you think Colombia could win a war with Trump as Commander in Chief?

So Trump hit Colombia with 25% tariffs and banned the travel visas of those in government and was going to freeze the bank accounts of Colombians in power and their family members. And you know what happened Tooms? This guy Petro sent his OWN fucking jet to pick up the Colombians saving us the expense of flying them back.

So yeah, there was a trade war with Colombia, and it was over in 10 hours. He mouthed off against Trump, and Trump kicked Petro's fucking teeth in. Trump had the orders drawn up and any time he feels like he can sign them. That is how you govern. That is how you handle idiots.

[EihTooms]

Trump's Pandemic Part 2, dot #4:

RFK Jr. skipped meeting where officials planned fight against future pandemic.
Jan. 23, 2025

https://www.spokesman.com/stories/20...s-planned-fig/

As White House officials packed up last week and their Trump counterparts prepared to move in, dozens of senior leaders in both administrations trundled into the neighboring Eisenhower Executive Office Building to game out how the new government would respond to an emergency, such as a new pandemic.
..........
But a top official was notably absent: Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Trumps pick to lead the Department of Health and Human Services, the pivotal agency when a pandemic strikes.

"The one guy who shouldve been there wasnt there, said one attendee, who, like several others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe a private session led by the National Security Council. Most of those attendees said they were mystified by Kennedys absence and wondered where he was.

Kennedy was two miles away, on Capitol Hill, seeking to sway senators skeptical of his candidacy to serve as the nations top health official, according to three people with knowledge of his schedule that day. Rather than convince lawmakers of his own readiness to face an emergency, Kennedy left some of them deeply rattled by sharing debunked theories about vaccines and making other questionable assertions, the people said.

We can only assume he would just spend the first critical year of any Trump's Pandemic Part 2 assuring the world that "we have it under control, it is disappearing, it will go away without a vaccine" until perhaps 2 million Americans die from it, worldwide economies and supply-chains collapse again, triggering even higher inflation than Trump produced with Trump's Pandemic Part 1.

The next Dem President is going to have a huge mess to clean up.