Pattaya Reports

[HungryG]

Has anyone tried outcall massage in Pattaya? I am more into B2 B massage and BJ. Will appreciate if someone can help with outcall massage Spa with good lineup.

TIA.

[JjBee62]

In my former life I was a US government investigator. To make a long story short, as part of an investigation I was conducting, I asked a US Library of Congress lawyer (They are available to anyone inquiring. Look on their website.) if prostitution is illegal in Thailand. The lady, who has a law degree from a law university in Japan and a degree in International Law from Georgetown Law School, and who specialized in Japanese and Thai law, said that prostitution itself is not illegal. And she showed me why.

Of course anyone can say anything on the internet. So take it or leave it. But it is not illegal, no matter how many contortions people want to go through, or how many newspaper articles they want to cite or how many of their friends were busted or where they work or even how many cops say it is.

So argue all you guys want (not you, EihTooms) but I hope that eventually you will realize how silly you look when you keep insisting that prostitution itself is illegal, but you can't produce a single statute that definitively says it is. Because it doesn't exist. But as they say, never let the facts get in the way of a good argument.

Considering how wide open prostitution is practiced in Thailand, whether it's legal or not is a moot point. Some estimates say as many as 2 million prostitutes in Thailand, that could be 20 million transactions per week. That's 52,000 gallons of semen per week. Apparently, nobody's enforcing the law if there is one.

[Philip Marlow]

The problem that has always existed with this topic is when someone casually mentions in a post that "Prostitution is illegal in Thailand", what are those of us who know there is no such law in the Thai Penal Code, The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act nor any other Code or Act supposed to do or say about it on a by god sure enough International Sex Guide website like this one? Ignore it? Say nothing? Let it go unchallenged and unanswered?

Should everyone wait for at least a half dozen such assertions to be posted before somebody finally speaks up and asks for proof of the repeated assertion? It is not exactly a trivial point to make on this kind of website. And, who knows, maybe there has been a new law passed to that effect. So I think it is a good question to ask in response to the assertion. Again, hardly a trivial point on this particular website.

In my former life I was a US government investigator. To make a long story short, as part of an investigation I was conducting, I asked a US Library of Congress lawyer (They are available to anyone inquiring. Look on their website.) if prostitution is illegal in Thailand. The lady, who has a law degree from a law university in Japan and a degree in International Law from Georgetown Law School, and who specialized in Japanese and Thai law, said that prostitution itself is not illegal. And she showed me why.

Of course anyone can say anything on the internet. So take it or leave it. But it is not illegal, no matter how many contortions people want to go through, or how many newspaper articles they want to cite or how many of their friends were busted or where they work or even how many cops say it is.

So argue all you guys want (not you, EihTooms) but I hope that eventually you will realize how silly you look when you keep insisting that prostitution itself is illegal, but you can't produce a single statute that definitively says it is. Because it doesn't exist. But as they say, never let the facts get in the way of a good argument.

[EihTooms]

Yes it is. As are other sections of the Thai Penal Code.

Title X, Offense Against Life and Body.

Section 288. Murder.

Whoever, murdering the other person, shall be imprisoned by death or imprisoned as from fifteen years to twenty years.

Section 289. Death Penalty.

Whoever commits murder on. (lists various situations- against an official in the exercise of his functions, etc.) shall be punished by death.

Section 290. Manslaughter.

Whoever, causes death to the other person by inflicting injury upon the body of such person without intent to cause death, shall be punished with imprisonment of three to fifteen years.

All seem pretty clear and "western" to me.

The notion that because some forms of prostitution are illegal all forms of it are illegal is nonsense. When driving a car in Thailand it is illegal to speed, drive drunk, drive on the sidewalk, drive without a license, etc. Some people would argue that because those prohibitions exist, driving a car in Thailand is illegal.

The problem that has always existed with this topic is when someone casually mentions in a post that "Prostitution is illegal in Thailand", what are those of us who know there is no such law in the Thai Penal Code, The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act nor any other Code or Act supposed to do or say about it on a by god sure enough International Sex Guide website like this one? Ignore it? Say nothing? Let it go unchallenged and unanswered?

Should everyone wait for at least a half dozen such assertions to be posted before somebody finally speaks up and asks for proof of the repeated assertion? It is not exactly a trivial point to make on this kind of website. And, who knows, maybe there has been a new law passed to that effect. So I think it is a good question to ask in response to the assertion. Again, hardly a trivial point on this particular website.

[Philip Marlow]

The Thai Penal Code and the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act are quite clear and "westernized"....

Yes it is. As are other sections of the Thai Penal Code.

Title X, Offense Against Life and Body.

Section 288. Murder.

Whoever, murdering the other person, shall be imprisoned by death or imprisoned as from fifteen years to twenty years.

Section 289. Death Penalty.

Whoever commits murder on. (lists various situations- against an official in the exercise of his functions, etc.) shall be punished by death.

Section 290. Manslaughter.

Whoever, causes death to the other person by inflicting injury upon the body of such person without intent to cause death, shall be punished with imprisonment of three to fifteen years.

All seem pretty clear and "western" to me.

The notion that because some forms of prostitution are illegal all forms of it are illegal is nonsense. When driving a car in Thailand it is illegal to speed, drive drunk, drive on the sidewalk, drive without a license, etc. Some people would argue that because those prohibitions exist, driving a car in Thailand is illegal.

[Explorer8939]

Now perhaps things have changed in Thailand which I doubt it has the overwhelming majority of Thai bar girls was from Issan-North, North and Northeast Thailand those women were of mainly Laos and Cambodian descent. Thailand has 3 Cambodian speaking provinces there. They all share the same face thus I had to go by there accent, I lived in Buriram for 2 years and I was stopped by emigration police daily and to my surprise most spoke English!

There are some areas in Isaan where dialects of Cambodian are spoken in villages near the Cambodian border. The farther from the border, the fewer speak those dialects. The dialects are not easily understood by Cambodians from Phnom Penh.

But, ladies from that part of Isaan look the same as elsewhere in Isaan. Remember that everyone in Thailand spoke a Cambodian dialect back in the day, before the Thai people came down from China.

So, if you walk down Soi 6, you can't tell the difference between the ladies who can speak some Cambodian and the other ladies.

[EihTooms]

You will not find what you are referring to because Thailand is not a western country so the laws are worded differently. But what you will find is the Thai laws mention a specific scenario. Often it requires that scenario to take place before you realize there are two consenting adults. These scenarios could be an interaction in a Pattaya bar, a Pattaya gents clubs, or a chat on Thai Friendly with a Pattaya girl. At the end of the day, this debate is old. I would suggest we open a user blog for this. Perhaps you could be the admin for it.

The Thai Penal Code and the Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act are quite clear and "westernized" about stating that trafficking, pimping and other types of procuring people for the purposes of prostitution as well as hiring a pimp, trafficker or procurer to recruit people for that purpose being illegal. As we saw in the quotes posted by Rocko earlier.

But a man who has a private conversation with a woman, both consenting adults, who offers her money for sex, she agrees and off they go to his hotel room is not a pimp, trafficker, procurer or recruiter. And neither is the lady.

A simple quote of a sentence from any of the legally enforceable Codes or Acts clearly stating that what I described as being illegal, as clearly stated as everything else about those qualifiers is stated, would do it without going to the trouble of creating a whole new blog or forum here.

But, so far and after several years of this coming up in conversation, nobody has been able to produce and quote such a simple, uncomplicated, easily translatable sentence from the Codes and Acts.

Nor has any report of arrests being made of anyone anywhere in Thailand for the exact behavior I described ever been posted.

That moves the assessment of this mythical Thai law against the simple, discrete and private act of prostitution between consenting adults from "rarely" enforced to exactly "never" enforced. The only logical conclusion for which at this point being an obvious and very good one; it is not illegal in Thailand.

[MwenByen]

Now perhaps things have changed in Thailand which I doubt it has the overwhelming majority of Thai bar girls was from Issan-North, North and Northeast Thailand those women were of mainly Laos and Cambodian descent. Thailand has 3 Cambodian speaking provinces there. They all share the same face thus I had to go by there accent, I lived in Buriram for 2 years and I was stopped by emigration police daily and to my surprise most spoke English!

I've been here two weeks so far and I haven't posted in years, but I'm really tired of how gay the Discord groups are and how mods abuse their titles, so here's what I did.

I went to Wild 69. I've seen their stream on YouTube and wanted to see the girls in person. I heard there was a mix of Thai, Laos and Cambodian, but it was only Thai girls. They weren't interested in me anyways. I passed by 3 more times throughout the week and it appears that they are only interested in the live stream and enjoy looking at themselves on the big TV. I think simps are actually buying them virtual drinks or something. The girls were not my type once I could see them live.

I went into some gentlemen's clubs like Honey, Buzzin and Maggie Mays. The dudes in there are not like me and I felt like it wasn't my place to be. I tried the double BJ at Maggie's but after all the upselling of drinks and pushy hostess, I ended up paying 4000 baht for a two girl blowjob with lots of wet tissues and not even a full CIM. Never again.

I also went to some gogo's around Soi Boomerang since I BF a dancer there once and wanted to check the vibe. The girls looked hot, but I was there only 5 minutes and the girl that I met back in August 2023, Annie, changed since I first met her. She was nice and shy, but now she was demanding shots and had already thrown back 2 lady drinks and 1 tequila. Wasted $25 in no time. I'd like to just smash her and skip all the drinking bullshit.

Made my way over to Soi 6 a few times. I'm looking for a particular type of girl that is kawaii, a small, cute, freshed faced girl. I've had some luck in the past but also a few strikeouts. I entered 3 different bars that night with 3 different kawaii fantasy girls. I bought drinks, talked and flirted and out came the games. After 30 minutes or so I suggested going upstairs but no go. I get it though, I really do.

Went back to Soi 6 to visit a girl I've known for a few years, she's off and on. I prefer when she doesn't work and comes to my room to smash and hangout, but she's back in the bar and told me to meet her there. Always happy to smash her. Blonde hair, tight body, tight ass and big naturals all in proportion, just not the kawaii type.

Back to Soi 6 for a third time and still hunting kawaii and got pulled into a bar with a barely legal teen that was near kawaii. They were playing Thai music and she was grinding me and started to DFK a lot, and was grabbing my cock through my pants and in this situation it usually means I'm good, especially considering she started the kissing, but no ST. She's just seducing me to sell drinks. You know I've had girls suck my dick and fuck me but refuse to kiss you know, so this was ass backwards to me as kissing is like passionate and something people do when they are falling in love, but this is how she gamed me. I'm not mad about it. It's just what happened.

I also went to Bong Kock 8 four times already. Now this is what Soi 6 was ten years ago. A row of brothels. Soi 6 has turned into a tourist trap, with these open air hostess bars with the possibility of a BF but only if it suits the girl. The customer is the least of their concern. They didn't give AF about me. They only want to sell alcohol.

Bong Koch 8 girls were mid but I gave it a go at 007 with a mechanical BJ CIM. They have a BF of 400 and a fee for a girl of 500 instead of just one incluse price. I also tried Bada Bing, Purple and Pirates. FS was 400 BF and girl-1000 be. They're all the same style of bars, but again, the customers were different from me. I mean much older and very unhealthy with extreme belly fat and breathing problems. But the service overall was nice, not pushy with drinks and fair prices for BJ or FS albeit the girls were not matching my aesthetics. I want a Soi 6 cosplayer with Bong Koch 8 service. I also saw a few Korean men enter and turn around and walk out. This tells me it's the beginning of the end already. It's only a matter of time.

Now that I'm sober I understand that these days Pattaya is really about selling alcohol with the lure of sex, but that's where it gets complicated. Finding some Boom Boom is easy still, but is it the type of Boom Boom you want? I'm trying to stay away from writing a reflection and just give the facts of my past two weeks. I'm sure there will be so much hate and everyone assuming I'm a bad customer that attracts negativity everywhere I go, and that I'm an idiot that doesn't understand how things work and then you'll report me to the mods for saying the girls were mid or whatever. I don't care.

[EverythingThai]

Where in the Code, the Act or your quotes from them the part that says it is illegal or a crime for consenting adults of any nationality or ethnicity to exchange money for sex in Thailand?

Can you provide us with the exact quote, sentence or phrase, please?

You will not find what you are referring to because Thailand is not a western country so the laws are worded differently. But what you will find is the Thai laws mention a specific scenario. Often it requires that scenario to take place before you realize there are two consenting adults. These scenarios could be an interaction in a Pattaya bar, a Pattaya gents clubs, or a chat on Thai Friendly with a Pattaya girl. At the end of the day, this debate is old. I would suggest we open a user blog for this. Perhaps you could be the admin for it.

[Mr Enternational]

I went into some gentlemen's clubs like Honey, Buzzin and Maggie Mays. The dudes in there are not like me and I felt like it wasn't my place to be. I tried the double BJ at Maggie's but after all the upselling of drinks and pushy hostess, I ended up paying 4000 baht for a two girl blowjob with lots of wet tissues and not even a full CIM. Never again.

I also went to some gogo's around Soi Boomerang since I BF a dancer there once and wanted to check the vibe. The girls looked hot, but I was there only 5 minutes and the girl that I met back in August 2023, Annie, changed since I first met her. She was nice and shy, but now she was demanding shots and had already thrown back 2 lady drinks and 1 tequila. Wasted $25 in no time. I'd like to just smash her and skip all the drinking bullshit.

Made my way over to Soi 6 a few times. I'm looking for a particular type of girl that is kawaii. I entered 3 different bars that night with 3 different kawaii fantasy girls. I bought drinks, talked and flirted and out came the games.

Well I had to look up kawaii and it appears to be a Japanese thing. (Actually, I should not have had to look it up because that is one of the first Japanese words I learned when I was in the Navy and had Japanese girlfriends.) However, you are in Thailand. And maybe that is what threw me off (kind of like if someone was in the Russia thread writing about chicas.) Personally, when I get to Kenya next month, I will not be hunting blonde chicks with flat asses. There is a whole place called Europe for that.

Is it so hard to walk in to a place and ask about the blow jobs and boom booms before throwing away the 4000 bahts and the $25?

Are you there for the dudes or the hookers? The hookers are there for money. If you walked in with money, then it is no doubt your place to be.

[Bunky]

I've been here two weeks so far and I haven't posted in years, but I'm really tired of how gay the Discord groups are and how mods abuse their titles, so here's what I did.

Excellent report, full of detail and well written too. Kudos to Mr. Thief for his fine work.

[JjBee62]

A sudden urge to start considering retirement hit me a few days back, while working on my itinerary for an upcoming Indonesia trip. I booked a detour trip to Thailand to see if it's appeals as a long-term home.

My first 2 nights are booked in Bangkok, leaving 4 nights. Looking for insight on how to split that time. I'm considering Si Racha as a retirement spot, so a visit to Pattaya seems like a good plan (or I'm justifying a trip to Pattaya). An obvious solution would be to do 2 nights in Pattaya, then decide whether to stay, or go back to Bangkok. Another option is do 2 and 2, then take 2 in Si Racha.

Mongering isn't the top priority, but I'm going to do enough to keep me happy. I've already got Thai Friendly installed and thanks to all who have recommended it. It appears to be a gold mine. I'm a big fan of massage, so I'll be checking that out.

I'm looking for opinions and suggestions. What things make your favorite places better, for you? I doubt many here spend a lot of time in Si Racha, but any insight is appreciated.

The retirement thing is just the preliminary stage. I'm at least 2 years out, maybe 3.

[EihTooms]

It's illegal for everyone, Thais are no exception.

https://siam-legal.com/travel-to-tha...n-in-thailand/

The difference is that its rarely enforced.

Where in the Code, the Act or your quotes from them the part that says it is illegal or a crime for consenting adults of any nationality or ethnicity to exchange money for sex in Thailand?

Can you provide us with the exact quote, sentence or phrase, please?

[Mr Enternational]

The issue you are having in Pattaya is the same issue as most older guys have. They just don't buy into the lady drink model of doing business and we all get that.

I thought it was more younger guys that did not buy into it. Kind of like older guys are the sugar daddies. Younger guys are not out trying to spend a bunch of money on a chick.

[Rocko20]

Prostitution is Illegal in Thailand for other nationalities but for Thais.

It's illegal for everyone, Thais are no exception.

There are three primary acts that make prostitution illegal in Thailand:

The Prevention and Suppression of Prostitution Act:

This Act prohibits both male and female prostitution in public places and brothels and classifies prostitution as illegal. Anyone who is caught offering sexual services will be fined a minimum of 1,000 THB. Penalties for those supervising them, such as brothel owners, are higher, as this Act is not focused on punishing the sex workers themselves.

The Penal Code Amendment Act:

Section 286 of the Penal Code Amendment Act states that anyone over the age of 16 who subsists on the earnings of a prostitute will be imprisoned for 7 to 20 years and fined from 14,000 to 40,000 THB. Convicted offenders can even be imprisoned for life.

This does not apply to those who rely on financial support from a prostitute who is required by law or morality to provide it.

The Anti-Trafficking in Persons Act:

This Act criminalizes all forms of human trafficking, including sex trafficking which involves the recruitment, transfer, and exploitation of individuals for the purpose of forced prostitution. The Act also imposes severe penalties on those who assist and patronize the traffickers.

https://siam-legal.com/travel-to-tha...n-in-thailand/

The difference is that it’s rarely enforced.