Seeking Arrangements

[LshRoomer]

Thanks Lshroomer for making my day. That's the way Seeking is supposed to be. Always a good call to pull the GND vs the pro. Real GFE cannot be beat. Thanks for sharing in detail!

HAHAHA. Steve, that's funny. I was laying there after she left thinking the same thing. That though it's a lot of work, it's a home run touchdown (LOL) when you find a good one! Kinda makes all the work worth it!

I found this time around that I saw a clear distinction between the experienced and rookie SBs. I had noticed it before, but it was more tangible this time around. Choosing the GND is already paying dividends. Kat has been in touch multiple times after I left asking when am I coming back. I don't have much "business" in Montreal, but I just might take a short trip to secure her and maybe another SB or 2. .

Be safe out there.

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[LshRoomer]

I've been to Montreal plenty of times, but never played in the sugar bowl, so I really didn't know what to expect.

What are the going rates?

Are the girls aggressive (like Madrid)?

What are the typical age ranges?

Is language actually a problem (like parts of Czech Republic)?

Is it a shitshow like the US (I have a very low opinion of SA in the US. I hardly use it)?

So here is what I subjectively found, for those guys that may find themselves in Montreal anytime soon.

* You will win everytime with a 600 offer, but don't get the impression that this is the standard from which all offers should deviate. From what I saw, the standard is about 450/500. Only the experienced (bad in this case) sbs will ask for 600 when you offer 500. Many are cool with 400 and I didn't' try 300 because of the trend I noticed. My line that I tried out that worked well was, "I typically like to put at least 400/500 in my sb's pockets for whatever she wants". To give the impression that this is just the base. If things go awesome, I might give you more, but never less. If they negotiate from here, then I never give more, only what they negotiated. Their loss.

* Most girls were not looking to meet same day. Unlike Madrid, where if you send messages on Saturday and they like you, they will be asking what you are doing on Sunday. You don't want to put it off bc you are out of town. You'll seem not serious.

* Lots of bad SD experiences. If you show you are solid, I find they gravitate toward the vibe. Many just want a cool experience with a safe, reliable, dare I say attractive (not a requirement) guy.

* Very few "official" working girls. I literally found 2 that wanted to skip an outing and head directly to my apt. I don't need that. I personally like the buildup, the questions, the vibe, her having to leave because she has work in the morning. Not her having to leave to blow the next guy.

* 1/2 and 1/2 experienced sbs and rookie sbs. I find you can have the same fun, but I have started to gravitate away from the experienced Sbs. They tend to have sugar baggage and give me low level prossy vibes. I also saw that they have a certain look and from my sampling, I noticed a loose correlation between the look and their typical ask, which was usually 600.

* The age range is weighted heavier in the late twenties and thirties. I NEVER GO OUT WITH 30's. I find they typically overvalue themselves. This was not the case in Montreal. I had a fantastic time with Kat and she is 34. The average SB was in their 30's.

* Girls are slim, especially the french ones. They were generally my type, kinda like being in Lisboa. Attractive spinners, slim, nice curves (curves don't mean meat, it more means she has a shape) small / med boobs, ass of an in shape girl.

* Language is not an issue. Only a handful of girls didn't work out because of my lack of french.

* I personally don't like descriptions that mention princess treatment and I found that the more they talk about what they offer, the more down to earth they are. They realize that there are more of them than us, which means they are lucky to go out with us, not the other way around. WHenever I get the vibe that she believes she should be treated like gold because she has had control of a simp before, I cut the bait.

* Delusion factor is fairly low. You don't' have a bunch of sbs that expect helicopter rides, lavish gifts, and findom from a simp. There were a few that responded with that princess crap. I delete those immediately. When I see Kim kardashian lookalikes, too much makeup, fake ass / tips / lips, I don't even message / respond to them. I like unique looks and a girl that looks like fun. A chick in an evening gown taking a picture in a nice hotel or standing with her designer bags isn't my kind of girl. We can all afford the suites and the designer bags, but for me, that comes along later after we're establish, not from the beginning. We would not go shopping on a 3rd date. Hahaha.

* Standard flakiness to maybe a little less. Not a significant deviation.

These are just my subjective observations and as always YMMV. Keep the info flowing.

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[Steve 9696]

Thanks Lshroomer for making my day. That's the way Seeking is supposed to be. Always a good call to pull the GND vs the pro. Real GFE cannot be beat. Thanks for sharing in detail!

[LshRoomer]

It had been quite some time since I logged into SA and went on the prowl. I was heading to Montreal, so I dusted off my profile, made some edits and started sending out feelers.

I usually start sending messages about 3-5 days before arriving, as some girls like to move fast, while others exercise more caution.

I arrived Sunday night and had dinner plans with girl 1. After moving to text, I talked to her once a day or so, just to keep the connection alive. I was busy Saturday, so no comms, but I wrote her Sunday morning asking if we were still on. These girls can be so flaky and fickle. She said that she hadn't heard from me (for one day!) and thought that I may have changed my mind; therefore she decided to sleep with her mom. I wasn't upset, but I didn't have a replacement for the night. I had dates lined up for the rest of the week (some even double booked), but everyone seemed busy this particular Sunday?? It was arrival day, so I ended up relaxing, getting my bearings, and having some bad Japanese for dinner. : (.

Monday was double booked and I usually make a decision the night before regarding which girl will be cancelled. It came down to Kat and Ava. These were two very different specimens. I didn't think Kat would respond when I reached out. She was just my type, thin (not skinny) light brown hair, cute, and about 5'7", grayish colored eyes. Ava was the normal sb with semi-sexy pics from hotel lobbies and bathrooms that one of us have probably taken them to. It came down to an interesting decision. Do I take Ava that seems to know the ropes and wants 600 or Kat that seems more cultured (not in a travel sb sort of way haha) and modestly dressed, but at this point, the cash conversation had not come up. How much would she want?? I decided to take the risk and went with Kat.

We met at a bar and as I was getting out of the Uber, she was walking down the steps from the bar saying that we had bad luck. The place was closed. We hugged and being as though it was 8 degrees outside, we quickly found another place right around the corner. It was a nice place. We walked in and they asked if we had reservations. No res, no problem, let's just hit the bar. With these girls, if you are charming, smart, and conversational, you are usually good to go. She was dressed office sexy. An above the knee black shirt with long leather boots and a black blouse with a burgundy sweater. I sat there drinking my old fashioneds still not sure of what to make of the situation. Am I going to smash this chick? All signs point to yes, but what does she want? Once she loosened up, she started to steer her body toward me, instead of the bar, which is at least a sign of interest in the conversation and dare I say, sexual attraction 😀. She told me her motivation and it wasn't actually financial. She has an office job and does okay, for Montreal. What she wanted was access. She wanted access to our lifestyle where spending $200 on drinks is less than an afterthought. She also likened typical success with spiritual development and was looking for that as well. It was getting late so the response to my next statement would let me know how the night might go. I said that we should get out of there and head to my place and that I had a new bottle of beer that I wanted to try. She agreed like it was already planned.

We ended up back at my place and she wanted to share the beer. I thought that was cool. I also noticed her watching me, and following my lead. She was really comfortable in the apt. It felt like you just came home with your new girlfriend and you guys are building up the tension before you put it in her. LOL. She stood looking over my shoulder, literally her chin on my shoulder as I pulled the cork out of the bottle. Standing in front of me with her black thigh high stocking and crossed legs, we continued to chat. , she followed when I moved to sit on the couch and she sat close. She asked a lot of questions and the conversation was flowing. It was flowing a bit too well. I found that I was enjoying the conversation and had not put my mind into the "let's bang this chick" mode. Hahahaha.

She must have had the same idea. I was facing her while she was leaned up against the arm of the couch. There was a small area of exposed skin in between her thick thigh highs and her skirt. After a few touches and light massages to that area, she reached out both of her legs and put them on the sides of my waist. I grabbed both of her ankles as I bent both her legs back coming in for the slow kiss. She took a deep inhale and it was written all over her face that she was into it. She was a smiler. I've only come across maybe 1 or 2 other smilers before. They smile during sex, foreplay, in between kisses, etc. Now, I'm holding the arm of the couch that her head is resting on and the kisses start. She has her legs wrapped around my waist as I stroke her sides, stomach and hips. Without skipping a beat, I picked her up while we kissed, bumping into the walls and corners as I carried her to the bedroom. She felt almost weightless. When I laid her down, I went right for her nipples, pulling down her blousy tangtop. I love small tits (small, not nonexistent, just saying). She also has small nipples, but I would find that they were very sensitive. When I touched her pussy, it was like all her tension was released from her body and she just melted, like she had been holding her breath and finally exhaled haha.

She came up for a blowjob, but took her shirt off first. I stood at the edge of the bed and she gave a heartfelt BJ. Definitely GF and not P.S. She cupped my balls while doing deep (not deepthroat) slowly, keeping in line with the sensual lover vibe. Hahahah.

Our vibe felt like we had known each other for a time. She likes to have her nipples pulled and each time I pinched them she would moan with my dick in her mouth and seemed to get more excited. That alone almost finished me multiple times hahaha. We were already at th edge of the bed, so I laid her on her back, covered up, and started in mish. Wait. What is that?? Past the first 3 inches or so, it got tight, like squeezing between two tightly packed sofa cushions. Everytime I would push into the tight area, her reaction made her breathless. I wanted to see if I would still feel it in doggy. Made the move and it was even more pronounced. Her thin ass in the air and her hair in my hand as I pound away. Bust in the bag and when I returned she was laying face down on my pillow and had taken off all her clothes, including the stockings. I laid next to her figuring we would pillow chat for a second, but we didn't talk. For the first 5-10 minutes, she laid next to me with her hair in my face, rubbing my back and kissing my face. It was sensual AF. I started to rub her back too and her skin was smoother than I had recognized. There was no hair and it was oddly, pleasurably smooth. 10 minutes of that got the rocket back in position. If I were a lesser man, I would have poked it rawdog, hell, I really wanted to, but discipline prevailed. . She had a thin girl's ass, so you could see her pussy while she laid on her stomach. I threw on another cover and went right in. As soon as I did, the pillow cushions were there. This time I varied how often I would open them and that was driving her crazy. She started using her fingers on her clit and with some nicely placed strokes, she came twice, and possibly a third. Bust in the bag, game over. We went back to the face kissing and crazy sensual back rubbing and after we both fell asleep briefly before she mentioned that she had to go. I offered to walk her to her car, she declined. I told her to buy herself a gift from me as I slipped 350 into her purse. Goodnight kiss and we were done. I was supposed to see her again before leaving but I got sick on the day of. I need a day 2 or 3 with Kat. Looking forward to my next trip to Montreal.

[AmericanPi]

Have a strong feeling I'm being played. I have an exclusive arrangement which I'm very happy with, but I have a strong feeling I'm being played. Which is a shame, but hey ho. I just want to know if the girl in question is up for meeting anyone else in which case I'll just walk away and cut my losses.

Is her account active? If so she's taking offers. There's zero chance a girl has an active account (like if you sort by recently active and see her) she's not taking offers. And if she is not active she's not getting messages.

[Mawgan]

Have a strong feeling I'm being played. I have an exclusive arrangement which I'm very happy with, but I have a strong feeling I'm being played. Which is a shame, but hey ho. I just want to know if the girl in question is up for meeting anyone else in which case I'll just walk away and cut my losses.

[KrisMonger]

That's interesting, please explain the (Best by far) comment for Jakarta. As I am here now with boots on the ground and there are less than 50 women in the age range of 18-24 that have been active on seeking in the past week. In a city of 11 M+ people seems more like one of the worst big cities ever for SA than the best!

My age range is up to 30. I have easily found great company that will come out hang around in bars / restaurants and come to the hotel and provide you a great time. We are talking no more than 2 M IDR in most of these cases. Best so far, ease of hunt, dollar value and company. Good luck!

[VanessasClient]

It's not a hard and fast rule without exception, it's just a general statement. I'd be way more likely to trust a single Latina mama, than a gringa for several reasons. First of all, they are known for fiercely defending their children, and taking much better care of them, than we do ours. Secondly, it is much harder to access reliable social services in South America, like welfare and child support, plus it's not as easy for women to game the judicial system down there. It's also easier for American women to turn law enforcement again men with false charges of things like domestic battery, etc. I'm willing to bet that when you see those girls in Colombia getting arrested for scoping or kidnapping guys that turn up dead, most of them don't have kids. Some do, but when you look at stats, I'd wager you will find most do not.

Also having multiple kids is usually a red flag. Any single mom knows the difficulty of taking care of 1 alone. To go and be so reckless as to have another without using contraception or resorting to an abortion, indicates something is wrong mentally.

I still think most American moms get on Seeking as more of a luxury than necessity.

I had an arrangement with a single mother of 3 for 5 years, off and on, from Seeking. She dumped me without warning for a married guy and charged 2 car payments to my credit card without my knowledge right away. I had paid her dentist for a visit and she got my card from there, used it later without my permission.

She was on pre-trial release for starting a violent fight with her daughter's dad, and I filed a police report about the theft of unauthorized use of my credit card. Her mother lent her the money to repay me in return for me dropping the criminal theft police report.

Would like to believe you Midwestern, but experience has been opposite.

Sequel, I saw the woman at the gas station last week, she had dumped her last live-in boyfriend and wanted a hug and to have an arrangement with me again. No thanks!

[Midwestern]

I had an arrangement with a single mother of 3 for 5 years, off and on, from Seeking. She dumped me without warning for a married guy and charged 2 car payments to my credit card without my knowledge right away. I had paid her dentist for a visit and she got my card from there, used it later without my permission.

She was on pre-trial release for starting a violent fight with her daughter's dad, and I filed a police report about the theft of unauthorized use of my credit card. Her mother lent her the money to repay me in return for me dropping the criminal theft police report.

Would like to believe you Midwestern, but experience has been opposite.

Sequel, I saw the woman at the gas station last week, she had dumped her last live-in boyfriend and wanted a hug and to have an arrangement with me again. No thanks!

She's a mother of three. Is this in the USA? I would never trust a *desperate* white chick, especially if she's on Seeking. So at the end of the day, it all depends and YMMV.

Hope you got your stolen money back.

I recently got shafted big time. Someone I've known for a long time said she could come to my city to see me, and stay for five days. I said okay come. She came without me fronting her any cash. I was touched. And so I repaid her trust by giving her way too much cash when we met. But that was the only time that I saw her. She said she was busy the next day. I couldn't understand why she was busy. I soon found out that she was actually on a business trip and so she had to come. Then she said she had to leave the next morning. I cannot believe she played me like that. Oh well. As a monger, I know I'll get ripped off sometimes.

[HumbleHal]

Yes! Another excellent point in favor of single moms. They won't cause trouble or get into trouble.

I had an arrangement with a single mother of 3 for 5 years, off and on, from Seeking. She dumped me without warning for a married guy and charged 2 car payments to my credit card without my knowledge right away. I had paid her dentist for a visit and she got my card from there, used it later without my permission.

She was on pre-trial release for starting a violent fight with her daughter's dad, and I filed a police report about the theft of unauthorized use of my credit card. Her mother lent her the money to repay me in return for me dropping the criminal theft police report.

Would like to believe you Midwestern, but experience has been opposite.

Sequel, I saw the woman at the gas station last week, she had dumped her last live-in boyfriend and wanted a hug and to have an arrangement with me again. No thanks!

[Midwestern]

The other thing is. Most of the single moms don't want to get themselves into trouble. Because if they wind up in jail, or some other trouble, then they won't be able to look after their kid, leaving the only potential alternative to turn the kids over to family or relatives to be raised. Not all the single moms are cautious, but many of them are. By the way, Seeking just removed their Instagram verification badge, and redesigned their desktop site. IT might be part of new changes.

Yes! Another excellent point in favor of single moms. They won't cause trouble or get into trouble. If they hook, either full time or on the side, they'll take this "job" seriously. They want repeat business.

[Maximus V]

Just wanted to share my take on seeking after being on it for a few years (on and off).

Within US. Works in a choppy fashion on both East and the west coast. Most of them have been PPM (350-500 range). Best profile suited for long term seems to be a single working mom (with a majority of them Latina) that is in the 26+ age group. Most of them have a job (or two) and are looking to supplement income. These are not the ones that want to go to fancy restaurants as they are so busy with their kids life -but want to just go out for a few hours and then go inside for action and get paid for it.

Outside of US.

Jakarta is the best by far. Women in all price ranges (and even close to free as someone else mentioned elsewhere in Jakarta forum) short term or long term (in this case length of the trip). These girls can talk great English, great company and are awesome in bed.

Madrid. Pretty decent. Mostly PPMs.

Panama. Mostly Colombia / Venezuela chicas but quite a few are good company and can speak English and Latinas are always solid in bed..

That's interesting, please explain the (Best by far) comment for Jakarta. As I am here now with boots on the ground and there are less than 50 women in the age range of 18-24 that have been active on seeking in the past week. In a city of 11 M+ people seems more like one of the worst big cities ever for SA than the best!

[The Cane]

Just got an impromptu half hour blowjob to CIM swallow in the church parking lot.

LOLOLOL! And thank ya Jesus for these plump, round Brazilian butts! Even the brancas got back LMAO!

[Steve 9696]

Whatever happened to her?

Shayla was awesome for about 18 months. But she has always had 5+ day horrible painful periods. She started taking Depo Provera to control them and it did. But it killed her sex drive. She went from beast to zero very quickly. It also exacerbated her depression so it was a lose lose. We tried to hold on for a while hoping it would change but it didn't. So she moved out last May.

I knew it was winding down so that's when I struck things up with fuck bunny and I really enjoyed that girl. But eventually G won the home girl gig. Looks like she's going to keep it. Just got an impromptu half hour blowjob to CIM swallow in the church parking lot. That's the kinda girl that can hang onto her man!

[Elvis 2008]

Just wanted to share my take on seeking after being on it for a few years (on and off).

Within US. Works in a choppy fashion on both East and the west coast. Most of them have been PPM (350-500 range). Best profile suited for long term seems to be a single working mom (with a majority of them Latina) that is in the 26+ age group. Most of them have a job (or two) and are looking to supplement income. These are not the ones that want to go to fancy restaurants as they are so busy with their kids life -but want to just go out for a few hours and then go inside for action and get paid for it.

Outside of US.

Jakarta is the best by far. Women in all price ranges (and even close to free as someone else mentioned elsewhere in Jakarta forum) short term or long term (in this case length of the trip). These girls can talk great English, great company and are awesome in bed.

Madrid. Pretty decent. Mostly PPMs.

Panama. Mostly Colombia / Venezuela chicas but quite a few are good company and can speak English and Latinas are always solid in bed.

San Juan. Decent but the girls here don't respond that fast for some reason.

Morocco. A lot available and found at least 2 that you could negotiate for the entire trip. Complexity here is that you can't Airbnb and you have to book two rooms in a hotel (your SA girl can actually help here).

This year I am planning on exploring Slovakia / Hungary / Warsaw area and could use some Intel from the forum.

Demographically, the ideal is to find a country with a lot of 20 something females and few men in their 40's, 50's, and 60's. If you look at the 10 to 20 range, and there are more 10 year olds than 20 year olds, you can see if a good country is going to stay good as the crop of 20 somethings will continue to grow in the future.

An expert in demographics and the future told farmers to cut down trying to sell to China and look to sell to Mexico, Colombia, Vietnam, and Indonesia. That made my jaw drop as I had so much success in Colombia and Mexico. I had been to Indonesia before and understood why it would be so good and there was the occasional anedote here about Vietnam.

I am hearing reports about how good Spain is and how bad Italy is which is interesting given their same demographic pattern. Thing is Spain has liberal citizenship and work visa rules for many South American countries and I think it is the influx of South Amerians that may be the reason why Spain is so much better than Italy.

Thing is I had a friend who was into demographics as well. He was disgusted by the scene in the USA around 2007 before the great recession and decided to move to Russia. Given the demographics, attractive women, and their morally loose attitude (he said Russians view sex as intimately as we think of hand shakes) he was in pussy heaven.

He has since married and had sons and was a little depressed looking at mates for his sons. He told me the only continent with an expanding populaton was Africa. When he mentioned that, I thought about subsaharan Africa and not the Northern Arab part of Africa. What is interesting there demographically is how women quit having women there 10 years ago with the Arab spring uprisings and are back to shooting out kids like crazy now. The only country in that region not to have fit that pattern? Morocco. LOL. So the other countries (Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, and Libya if it gets it shit together) will be great sugar destinations in 10 or so years.

In real life, I saw an average guy here in the USA with a smoking hot wife, a 10 type from Tanzania. I also saw another average looking guy with a 10 type from Uganda and I was smitten with how many beauties there may be in Northeast Africa. Apparently, Northeast Africa is a genetic melting pot. It is close to the Arab penisula and the Italians not only had Somalia as a colony, it was the first place in the world where Europeans mingled and even married darker skinned people out in the open. Before WW2 began, Mussiolini sent troops in to conquer Ethopia, and women are often the spoils of war.

All in all, it should come as no shock then that Somalia and Ethopia have been reported to have the best looking women in Africa, https://www.africanexponent.com/afri...autiful-women/.

The demographics in both countries are crazy strong and the GDP per capita is less than $2000 per year in Ethopia and under $1000 per year in Somalia which was not a surprise.

Somalia has around 20 million people which is about what I expected. What stunned me was Ethopia has nearly 130 million people which is more than Egypt.

That combination of low wages, huge young population of women with few older men, and hot women should have made Ethiopa the #1 monger destination in the world, but it is not. Reports are that the women are not that pretty, and Ethopia is dangerous, filthy, and corrupt.

The near unanimous recommendation of mongers were the counries close to Ethopia were much better mongerer sites. That would be countries like Kenya, Rwanda, Uganda, and Tanzania. This kind of reminded of Venezuelan women. I have seen some uber goregous Venezuelan women but I have seen them in Colombia, Peru, and Mexico and not in Venezuela itself.

Guys are seeing hookers in those countries and getting laid for $10 or less. I wonder if it is similar in those countries as it was in Jamaica back when I went in the 1990's. I would go to a Jamaican bar and wonder what women were for sale and soon realized they all were. I am sure there was an exception in those bars, but I have to wonder if in those African nations, the bars are Jamaica like. If so, these countries seem like they should be the best mongering / sugar destinations in the world.