Jakarta

[Plant Smoke]

Hi plantsmoke here. I'm arriving Jakarta after ramadan. Anyone kind enough to give me a short tutorial on getting out of Jakarta airport? I have 100 pounds of luggage. Is the grab app good for automobiles or only motobikes. ID rather not learn thru getting ripped off. Thanks.

[Edward Q]

After spending years trying to understand how Jakarta works, and in particular, the mysterious train tracks, I finally found it. By piecing together info on the forum and by using google maps, I located it and saw it was walking distance from Raja Mas Club. Google maps identified a nearby Dunkin Donuts -- huge, modern store in the middle of a run down set of buidings -- which was a landmark for me. I walked up that street, the street with Raja Mas Club, heading towards Gedong Panjang station. You see small roads to the left, but keep walking. Once under the train trestle -- a loud train rushed by to confirm what was above me -- I turned left, walked parallel to the train tracks, cut in through a gate that brought me close to the raised rail bed and then saw the ladder. Actually, what I did was follow a group of Indonesian guys who seemed to know where they were going. A precarious ladder up and into a hole in the wall. Suddenly you are up on top of the train tracks. Literally up on two sets of active -- bold face -- train tracks. A loud and dangerous train rushes by about every 15 minutes. Two sets of tracks -- east and west -- and along side, on the shoulders, are the small groups of people, under tarps that have been attached to the walls behind. You walk down the tracks and look for the groups of girls sitting together, in the dark, and hope you are not too drunk to hear when the train approaches.

One thing I will remark on. Some have said that "the place does not open until 10:00. " This always sounded odd to me. It's not a "place" like, a club with regular hours. It's always open. I'm sure more girls show up as it gets later, but I got there at 8:30 or so and there were a number of established groups of girls already sitting, waiting for action. I walked the distance until two old men told me not to go further because there were no more girls up ahead. I climbed down through two different holes just to see what life was like at ground level, along the tracks. Small shops and a couple mom and pop restaurants were there, getting ready for business. I passed a group of young teenage girls, giggling upon seeing me. They practiced their English on me and did a lot of smiling. Very cute but young, and certainly not "working girls. " More like, neighborhood girls. I climbed back up the walk back along the tracks, wondering if I was going to pick up a girl. The few I had seen via the flashlights of the men who stood out in front to show me looked bored and uninterested. I am sure I could have studied the different lots more and found a real beauty, but it was starting to drizzle and I knew I needed to make a move. As I walked along -- continually looking over my shoulder in case a train was coming -- a woman popped out in front of me. She shined her flashlight on three girls, sitting on chairs under a tarp. One was smiling broadly and giggling with laughter. Eager to entertain. I could not resist. How much? 200 K. Ok. The girl, named Reina, looked about 18 and lead me through yet another opening in the wall, down a ladder to a small area of rooms. More like closets, the dimensions of a standard mattress. Shoes outside, closed the door, dimmed the lights, undressed. She shrieked in delight upon seeing my penis. Not sure why, except she seemed a little bit silly. Could have been one of the first white cocks she'd seen -- wishful thinking here. She sucked eagerly. I knew there would be no discussion of condoms. DFK with genuine enthusiasm. When I touched her pussy she was very wet. So hot. She would not allow me to finger her, which is always weird to me, since in a few seconds something else was going to go in there. She lay down and I put it in. So tight. I spit on my cock to help it along and she started to moan loudly. While fucking her, I reached back and got my camera. Turned it on but the image was all dark. She understood. In Indonesion she pointed at the light. It turned out she was helping me locate the light switch. Flipped on the light, camera was all good to go and Reina performed like a champ. No hesitation. Great video. I tried to get her to finger my ass, but she was reluctant. I offered a tip. She compromised and tickled it a little, which is just what I needed to cum. I love to have a girl suck me after pulling out of her wet pussy, so I moved to her mouth and she accepted me for a nice mouth fuck. I pulled out to cum on her tits, but she balked at that. Napkins were placed on her chest with the directive to cum there. OK. A wild and crazy sex cat who draws the line at cumming on her tits. Whatever. We finished and I paid her the 200 K, then paid her a 100 K tip and she was extremely happy to receive it. Once again, giddy with laughter. We dressed and crawled up and out of the hole. She left with a kiss. I was feeling the afterglow and did not want to leave. A woman along the tracks called to me to ask if I wanted coffee. That sounded good, since it was starting to drizzle again. I sat and drank some pretty good instant coffee while the two woman tried to speak to me in Indonesian. Nice people who I did not understand. Time to go. I got turned around and had to back track to find the place where I had entered, so I was approached by several men who were offering me their girls. Shining the flashlight in their faces. They all looked OK. Not as cute as the girl I was with, nor as cute as the girls from Classic, but probably doable. If they had the right attitude. It would be hit or miss, I suppose. I was able to locate the same hole in the wall and went through, then down the precarious ladder and out. Upon leaving it was approaching 10:00, so I will confirm that good sex is possible even as early as 8:30, and on a Tuesday night. Also will state that I always felt safe. No worries anywhere I went in Jakarta, and the train tracks were no different.

The locations of the Dunkin Donuts was key since I did not have a SIM card and needed to find a taxi. Note: I was advised that it's good to get an Indonesian SIM card since, as I discovered, you will find yourself in the middle of no where and there might not be taxis around. There certainly were no rides around the Train Track area -- except maybe those blue tuktuk things. Dunkin Donuts has free internet, so I got on line and ordered a Grab taxi as the donut shop was about to close. Three minutes later I was cruising back to Classic hotel.

I hope this summary helps those who, like me, have wanted to understand this mysterious spot on the Train Tracks. For years I have wondered about what it's all about and, after experiencing it, I can say that it is pretty wild. I could become a regular, if I lived locally. I would like to return on a Saturday night to see how many girls are there. I recommend bringing your own small flash light to shine on their faces. And stick around to have coffee with one of the ladies who are trying to make money in a different way. I'll try to put a photo below showing the ladder that goes up to the hole in the wall. If you knew the area better, you could probably locate another spot to enter, perhaps on the other side of the railroad tracks. There is more than one way to get up there. But however you go, you still must climb to get up on top of the train tracks. And don't forget to look out for trains!

[Edward Q]

At 6:00 I got a Grab taxi to check out Starmoon Bar in the Komplex. Thought I read they had a happy hour. Arrived and was the only one in the bar. And no happy hour to speak of. Only me and about 50 girls sitting on the couches. Saw they had Guinness, so I bought a can. Room temp. Tasted like shit. Talked to the waiter guy simply asking how young the girls are in this bar. He misunderstood, called to the Mamasan, and soon a cute, perky 19 year old named Lia was sitting next to me. She's the youngest, he seemed to say. That's not what I was trying to say, but whatever. I had no intention of doing the deed. Just wanted company. So I bought her a beer. She spoke pretty good English, "I learned in school. " She was joking with the waiter. I asked for a translation. She said, "he is a Christian so he is able to drink. I am Muslim, so I am not allowed to drink during Ramadan. " I pointed to the beer she was guzzling. She said, "Well, since I am going to have sex, I might as well have a beer. " I asked, "Girls can't have sex during Ramadan?" She said, No. I said, Well, you don't have to worry because we won't be having sex. She said, Yes we will be having sex. I said, No we won't. She said, Yes we will. I tried to explain that it was too early, I was not staying long, etc. She didn't understand and called over the Mamasan who could not translate anything to English. An odd moment because I insisted that we would not be having sex because I needed to go soon. Something was said by the Mamasan, and then Lia said, "If we don't have sex, I will go back there," meaning back to where the girls are. I said, OK. I paid for my beers and left. Me scratching my head. Lia was very very cute. But I did not want to finish my night at 6:00 PM. Across the street to Sari Ayu. Much cooler vibe here. More comfortable. Soccer on TV. And more than 100 girls all packed into one section of the room, all bunched together, on phones, putting on makeup, laughing. The Mamasan asked me to pick one. I told her "Maybe later. " She didn't like that answer. A bouncer dude who spoke English welcomed me. After getting a beer, I ask him about their policy. Can I buy a girl a drink without having sex with her? He said, No. If you buy them a drink you must pay 400 K to have sex. OK. I got to talking with another guy who did not believe that this was true. He called over the bouncer and then the Mamasan to confirm. Yes, if you buy a girl a drink, you must then pay to have sex with her. He spoke Indonesian well, so probed this a bit. There is a loophole. You can talk for 10 minutes and then not have sex, just by saying you did not like the girl. Wow. Choose your girls wisely, my friends. I will say, however, that the staff -- even later the Mamasan -- were very, very friendly and I could see hanging out here on a more regular basis. And, of course, the girls were all beautiful and young.

Took an ill-fated motor bike taxi, trying to head over to Raja Mas Club. The guy said he knew where it was. Turns out he didn't. Stopped a couple of times trying to tell me that we had arrived. I told him he was wrong. He knew he was wrong, just could not admit he was clueless. Asked men on the street and no one knew this club. Eventually, I took pity on the guy and paid him the negotiated 50 K and got off. Around the corner was the Fave Hotel and I found a proper taxi. He kind of knew where it was, but had GPS so he did find it. 20 K for that ride. Once inside Raja Mas I was surprised to see how small it was. About 12 girls sitting in a very dark room. Might have been cozy, but they all looked up at me -- old white guy in shorts and a t-shirt -- and said, "No thanks. " That was fine. I was really on this side of town in order to experience the train tracks open air bordello. So I left and started walking up to find the train tracks. More to follow.

[NotConcerned]

You wonder why the first girl didn't give you a post shot cuddle / GFE? Because she saw you eating your own cum out of her pussy ffs.

Maybe, but guys cum inside a girl's mouth and are fine with post-sex cuddling, so not sure if that was really a factor. In any case, my point was it felt very rushed. After cumming, the girl wrapped things up quickly and was ready to dash. She cleaned and got dressed in a minute. I guess quick turnaround means more business / customers. But I asked her the next day and she said she only had 3 customers that night. Of course, no way for me to verify her statement.

[MohdirFan82]

Same way Phillipines market got destroyed by hungry, thristy disabled westrens sending money for just telling them good morning.

I used to fuck a girl for 1500 peso and she would do anything, now she don't even talk unless I offer her 10,000 Peso.

Why so many mongers want to destroy this place and tipping for nothing? Locals don't tip or hardly like 50 k max.

Why people here talk about mandatory tip? There is no such thing.

Then some guys want to tip for naked pics.

Whats wrong with you people?

Nobody pays for naked pictures.

Its free all over internet.

If you want to take pics of the girl just ask her nicely and she will say yes most of the time.

No need to give the girls bad habits and tipping them for just being naked!

[Werqweq]

I agree. People pay more, people pay less, not really anyone else's business. I appreciate the folks here who do report on what they pay. This you paid too much or you paid too little criticism just discourages people from doing so. They give us information we can use to make our own decisions.

Like you, I welcome reports that include information about the tip, and also the girls reaction to it (happy, neutral, not happy). I don't think the problem is the criticism, but that some people here lack the basic manners to critique someone politely. For these people it's too easy to call people idiots, morons, etc. while criticising someone else for paying too much or too little and hiding behind a keyboard.

I think 100,000 is appropriate in Classic and Travel. 200,000 in Emporium. The men who recklessly tip don't understand that they're ruining the place for themselves. If women accept tipping insane amounts as normal, some men will stop coming because they won't be treated well, as they can't afford the amounts, and customers will be lost. If customers aren't available, fewer women will come, which is also bad for those who recklessly tip.

I agree, with your numbers also as long as it's a tip for doing something more than just providing the minimal service. That's why it's good if people include the tip amount so those who care can educate themselves on what a normal tip is in a new place. Those who want to ignore it, for whatever reason, will do that of course, though I agree with you it is not beneficial and I try to avoid doing that myself.

[Kazeu]

You're correct. Nothing wrong in trying to get laid for the least possible. But what is wrong is those people telling others what they should or should not do with their own money and time. We don't need a tipping police. No single person's tips are going to change the market. Especially Jakarta which is primarily a local demand market. I'm all for people doing whatever they want with their time, money and dick. I will challenge the last statement though that older mongers pay more. That's really not true in any mongering market. If you are talking about dating apps, that's different. But when buying pussy it doesn't really change the dynamics much.

I agree. People pay more, people pay less, not really anyone else's business. I appreciate the folks here who do report on what they pay. This you paid too much or you paid too little criticism just discourages people from doing so. They give us information we can use to make our own decisions.

[Kazeu]

Isn't that exactly what he said? You do you?

The disdain for those who try to pay less was pretty obvious in my opinion.

[Plant Smoke]

I'm 21 pages into this and feel like I have a good image of 1001, malio, travel, classic, emporium. But is that it? Is that the only game in town? At 100 $ us dollars.

No one on motorbike down jalan tubagus angke onto daan mogot and checking things out reporting back. No one venturing into tanjung Priok or Cilincing. What about the streetwalker zone.

In front of the Cipinang prison?

There is one of three things goin on here:

1. members know, but are keeping their own little secrets.

2. these places, that are off the beaten path, are dangerous in the form of muggings / robberies?

3. there just isn't anything goin on elsewhere?

I don't really know the answer. The lack of breadth or lack of information has me thinking if I read another 20 pages will it be more of the same?

Anyone on here wants volunteer which / where the railroad tracks are that are mentioned? You mean the tracks near jatinegara?

[Werqweq]

Theres nothing wrong with getting a good cost per fuck ratio. People play with what they got. Some have time. Some have looks. Others have money. No need to disparage others for how they game. Some guys can hit it 10 times a day. A good cost per fuck ratio is going to make sense. If you're older and can only do it once per day, sure, money is going to mean less, girls are probably less attracted to you as well, so you end up paying more generally. Everyone is trying to get laid, theres no one way to do it.

Isn't that exactly what he said? You do you?

[Edward Q]

Mostly, this is a "pro-Classic" report. Just arrived and I'm enjoying what Classic has to offer. Coming from 10 days in the Philippines I was anxious to see something new and different. I think I found that here. My plane landed late, 11:30 PM. Easy to get through customs but very difficult to find a working ATM machine. I was approached by a helpful young man who told me the machine downstairs did not work and I needed to go upstairs. He guided me upstairs to the departure area where there were 3 ATM machines. The card did not work at the first two, so I was getting a bit anxious. The third was the charm. Collected a set of very old red bills and the young man offered to get me a taxi. I said, How much? He called up an app and showed me a set of figures starting at 550,000 are. (about 35 USD). I said that this seemed high. He said that the drive was an hour. I wasn't sure. He took my rolling suitcase and helped me downstairs. I asked if he was the taxi driver. Honestly, he said, No. He was a salesman. Downstairs, he began to run towards a series of private cars with my suitcase. I had to yell after him to come back. He did. I took my bag and left him, heading further down the rank of cabs to a lady who looked more official. 250 K to drive me to Classic Hotel. Still seemed high, (15 USD) but I agreed. At least it felt normal.

Next surprise -- they drive on the left side of the road in Indonesia. OK. Live and learn. About 45 minutes later the driver -- who spoke no English -- dropped me at the hotel. Upon check in, there was a 200 K cash deposit for some reason he could not explain. Then it was up to my room. I would not disparage the rooms. Yes, they are dated and could use new wall paper or a paint job, but everything else was first rate. All the amenities. Clean. Trouble with the WIFI for the start. Someone came to the room and did nothing special to make it better. Then, a moment later the WIFI connected and I was on line. No explanation. That's the way of technology in my experience. You play with the devil and sometimes you're going to get bad internet. With no explanation.

In my tattered, ketchup stained shorts and rumpled shirt, I was intent on checking out the girls. After all, that is why I booked into the Classic. Girls on site. It was after 1 AM but there were about 80 girls bouncing around. Literally bouncing in small groups, with friends at their table. I was the only white guy in there. And there may have been 10 dudes in total, apart from me, all drunk. An extremely aggressive Mamasan grabbed my arm and dragged me to a table with 10 girls. I tried to tell her that I was just going to spend some time looking. She would have none of it. She got the girls all up and in my face. They were all cute but not exactly what I was looking for. More to the point, I wanted to walk around and check out the talent. Not easy to disengage me from the Mamasan who insisted I take one of her girls. But I got away and was then free to walk around. FYI. There are quite a number of Mamasan's, each willing to help. I ignored most of them until I found a friendly looking woman named Rosa. I told her I wanted "small and young". She brought me a girl who was taller than me and maybe 25 years old. I repeated "small". She laughed. OK. The next girl she brought me was perfect. Looked very very young. Said she was 22, which, later in the light of the room, I believed. Now here's the thing I did not get. 365 K to fuck her on the premises -- rooms downstairs. I said I wanted to take her up to my room, in this very same hotel. She said that this would cost me 1. 1 million more. Almost 70 USD. Going from 22 to 70 was a bit of a shock. I asked for an explanation but she did not have the English to explain. It's just one of those policy things, I guess. I paid her 365 K and the girl went to grab her bag. Turns out that the rooms downstairs are quite nice. The girl was named Amoi and could not have been sweeter. A caring wash down of Mr. Happy and the general region. She washed herself. She used listerine on my little friend before taking him BB into her mouth. Went on for ages. Would not agree to BBFS. I didn't argue as she seemed adamant. And good for her for protecting herself (trying to put a positive spin on this.) She got on top for Cowgirl and transitioned to what I call Butterfly Cowgirl, where she moves back and sits at an angle and I lean up at an angle and we both move our hips inward. In that position, with her perfect face and skin, it looked like I was fucking one of those young AI generated beauties you come across. Had I a camera handy I would have loved to grab a photo (I will next time, believe me.) Great sex. Tried to get her to do ass play, but did not want to. Later agreed when using the condom on her tiny fingers. A large mirror beside the bed was also great. Different positions and she was very loving and cooperative. I moved around, removed the condom and fucked her mouth as she leaned her head back over the end of the bed. She fingered me and I should have been able to cum. But wasn't able to. Too much travel today and I'm an old guy. But I was OK with this. Here's the best part. We stopped and I lay down and spooned with her for about half an hour, each of us rubbing the other softly. It was so gentle and relaxing. It went on for ages and I thought I was in heaven. A knock at the door and it was time to wash up. It was over an hour and she did a wonderful job so I tipped her 100 K. A smile to hold on to for my later dreams. We walked hand in hand back upstairs and parted. I was directed to the cashier. While on line I noticed that the place was closing. It was 2:30 AM, so that made sense. I was charged 5000. About 30 cents. Paid and left. I suppose normally I would have had beer on my bill. My first St. Paddy's Day with no beer all day (due to the travel and stomach issues). Weird to have sex without being drunk. But that's just me.

To answer a question. No indication that service was cut back due to Ramadan. Dozens of girls here to party. And it was a Monday night. I give Classic Hotel full marks for the friendly staff, beautiful girls and a comfortable stay. Through the booking app I got this place for 28 bucks a night.

Tonight I will try other venues around town. If they are half as good as my time at the Classico Bordello I will be in hog heaven.

Question: It's been a while since anyone has reported on the sketchy area out by the railroad tracks. A while ago this was a hot topic with a lot of advice as to how to find the place and what to expect. If anyone has any updated experience on mongering out in those "local" areas near the train tracks, please let me know. I am looking for that kind of adventure.

Stay safe, mates.

EQ.

[Expat American]

Theres nothing wrong with getting a good cost per fuck ratio. People play with what they got. Some have time. Some have looks. Others have money. No need to disparage others for how they game. Some guys can hit it 10 times a day. A good cost per fuck ratio is going to make sense. If you're older and can only do it once per day, sure, money is going to mean less, girls are probably less attracted to you as well, so you end up paying more generally. Everyone is trying to get laid, theres no one way to do it.

You're correct. Nothing wrong in trying to get laid for the least possible. But what is wrong is those people telling others what they should or should not do with their own money and time. We don't need a tipping police. No single person's tips are going to change the market. Especially Jakarta which is primarily a local demand market. I'm all for people doing whatever they want with their time, money and dick. I will challenge the last statement though that older mongers pay more. That's really not true in any mongering market. If you are talking about dating apps, that's different. But when buying pussy it doesn't really change the dynamics much.

[Joe2422]

Doesn't the tip change by which venue you are at?

Example emporium has mandatory 200 k, Girls at delta don't even smile if I tip them 100 k? What's the benchmark like? I typically give 5-10% of base price.

I think 100,000 is appropriate in Classic and Travel. 200,000 in Emporium. The men who recklessly tip don't understand that they're ruining the place for themselves. If women accept tipping insane amounts as normal, some men will stop coming because they won't be treated well, as they can't afford the amounts, and customers will be lost. If customers aren't available, fewer women will come, which is also bad for those who recklessly tip.

[Alexandra2525]

I've been to Jakarta many times pre-pandemic. I had never found anything to my liking but after reading reports here, I wanted to try out Classic Hotel. The price seemed unbeatable and I was willing to tip more for a few things I wanted.

Long report. Tl; dr Classic hotel was good. I got what I wanted. 365 k + 200 k tips for both nights, BBFS and CIP. No issues with the girl. Great deal.

Some background (or skip ahead if you want just the report):

To start, I'm late-30's East Asian guy and athletic looking and live in the West. I'm also on PrEP and tested regularly. I've been to many sex places throughout SE Asia, been mostly playing in Bangkok these days, I have a few regulars there. That said, I was optimistic and hopeful about Jakarta based on the reports here and was eager to try things out.

Based on what I've read, I was set on 2 things: 1) bareback sex with CIP, I have a thing for creampies. I also don't like condoms. I haven't used one in years. Of course, I was going to ask the girl for consent. If she refused, I was willing to tip. If she refused the tip, my 2nd option was to play out some of my kinks and fetishes: 2) teasing, kissing, oral, pussy eating, edging and orgasm denial. I also had some sex toys with me. Basically if the girl didn't want to have bareback raw sex then I would rather have a playful teasing session instead.

Friday night. Classic Hotel 2/ F (late February).

Arrived at 7 PM Friday night. Went up 2 sets of escalators to the bar. There were around 75-100 girls scattered all around the venue. I would say the girls were all under 30, skinny and slender looking but they all smoked. I would say they rated 6 to 8 out of 10 based on looks.

Around 60% of the tables taken. Customers were mostly mid-40's to mid-50's Asian men. They looked to be 70 local and 30 foreign based on the interactions (language fluency and hand gestures). I did not see a single white foreigner.

There was live music and karaoke until 930 PM and then the DJ started playing.

When I arrived, mamasan recommended a few girls to me. I didn't want to be rushed so I kind of batted them away. Mamasan came back a few minutes later with just a single girl. Her name was Eva, short at 5 ft2, she had pretty makeup, decent boobs, and looked like a university student. She was a smoker and had mediocre teeth. I didn't reject her and just let her stay next to me. She spoke no English. Had to rely on a translation app to communicate.

After 15 min later, I took pity on her and decided to fuck. Got a room, paid 365 K to mamasan and we went downstairs to a room.

We kissed immediately in the room, she started to open up and didn't really have any hesitations. She held a condom in her hand and I took it away and said "no condom". She said "why" and I just said "I give you tip. " She quickly agreed. Things were looking good.

We stripped. She had darker skin than I was expecting but not a dealbreaker. I showered first then she washed herself. Then got to bed, full GFE, lots of body contact, licking and teasing. I didn't make her give me BJ, that's not really my thing. I did go DATY and ate her pussy for a while then made her sit on me. She had a moderately 2-week old hairy but delicious pussy. I don't mind hairy pussies. She enjoyed the oral I gave her.

After getting her all wet, I got on top of her and fucked her. She was not as tight as I was expecting. And I'm just average size. We fucked for 5 minutes or so until I came inside her. I had a 2 week load, so I came fast. Watched the cum leak out and then I ate the creampie for a while. Then showered.

Only negative was that there was no post-sex cuddle. I also tried to take photos but she refused and I didn't press. She had a good personality despite no English. She later told me she was from Bandung and had a daughter there.

I gave her 200 k tip. When we got back to the bar, she gave 50 k to mamasan. Overall, I achieved what I wanted, so it was a good experience and would repeat.

I wanted to fuck her again but I was jetlagged and tired. By 930 PM once the DJ started playing, I tapped out. I told the girl I would come back the next day.

Saturday night. Classic Hotel 2/ F (late February).

Returned the next night at 8 PM. There were more girls than the previous night. Probably over* 100 girls, same look as before. Around 80% of the tables taken. Customers were a bit more diverse but still around 70 local and 30 foreigners. They were younger 30 to 50 years old, some even in their 20's and lots of groups. Foreigners included mostly Chinese and Korean, but I saw a group of 4 white guys and 1 black guy with an Asian friend.

Mamasan wanted to recommend girls to me but I said right away I was looking for Eva again. First mamasan had no idea who that was. I walked around and didn't see her. I found another mamasan who knew her and waited a few minutes for her to come out from the back.

I had a drink with her before we went down to a room. 365 k again to mamasan. This time in the room things were a bit more relaxed. We did mostly the same as the stuff we did last night but she didn't get as wet as before.

I had a hard time penetrating her. I had lube but I wanted her to get naturally wet. It was an on and off 5-10 min of trying to get hard and trying to penetrate her bareback. Did some missionary then doggystyle then missionary before I came inside her again. Ate the creampie. I wanted to take pics of her creampie but she refused again. I thought now that we had a rapport she would be receptive, but no big deal. No post-sex cuddle, just washed up and then tipped her 200 k again.

The phone rang right when we finished putting clothes on. It seems like the 1-hour is not from the time you enter the room but from the time you pay. So in reality, you only get around 45 min inside.

I didn't have the energy to fuck again, so I left shortly after at 10 PM.

I only spent 2 nights in Jakarta but will return in a few months. I really liked the place and price. The only thing I didn't like was all the smoking but that's unavoidable in Jakarta. I also wish there was a system or separate area for people who want to return later and not have to hang out at the bar (I don't drink or party). Ideally, I'd like a place where I could go fuck in the afternoon then return later in the evening to fuck again without all the drinking, smoking, mamasan hassle.

You wonder why the first girl didn't give you a post shot cuddle / GFE? Because she saw you eating your own cum out of her pussy ffs.

[Kazeu]

You can tip whatever you want. Don't listen to the cheap charlie crowd here. If you think a few bucks will make the girl smile and make you feel better who is to say you shouldn't tip well? I will always tip generously for good service. But I won't be pressured into a tip if the girl shows a bad attitude. I have no problem saying no and I have no problem tipping 500 K. It just depends on what I feel the the girl deserves and my level of satisfaction. I'm not trying to get away with the cheapest $/ fuck ratio like some posters here. I'm trying to maximize the number of great fucks in the time I am there. This works for me and I don't really care what anyone else thinks about it.

Theres nothing wrong with getting a good cost per fuck ratio. People play with what they got. Some have time. Some have looks. Others have money. No need to disparage others for how they game. Some guys can hit it 10 times a day. A good cost per fuck ratio is going to make sense. If you're older and can only do it once per day, sure, money is going to mean less, girls are probably less attracted to you as well, so you end up paying more generally. Everyone is trying to get laid, theres no one way to do it.