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[EihTooms]

I don't doubt Locals can get better prices but how much. Please give examples.

If I'm a girl who is Popular I'm not giving you a discount because you are a Local.

I'm I'm an ugly girl I'd definitely give you a big discount. Hahaha.

I also don't see why any girl who is popular for all the usual and obvious reasons would give a local expat a discount unless there is something in it for her in the "long game" deal; she knows he will always be around for the quick 1,500 - 2,000 baht no-brainer, one simple Line message score after hours, on her day off or a bar closure holiday and on the way to the mall or to meet her friends for a party.

But on a first session that she has no reason to believe will ever be repeated? No reason for a popular girl for all the usual and obvious reasons to give a local expat a discount simply because he says, "Hey, I'm a local expat, I'm not a tourist, I know the real prices" unless she is desperate enough for a customer and right now. In which case she is not so popular after all and would have agreed to a discount regardless what the dude told her.

Otherwise, the usual drop from 3,000 baht to 2,500 baht or from 2,000 baht to 1,500 baht discount applies to anyone willing to hesitate and not immediately jump on her first quote, same as for everyone else.

The local expat discount primarily comes about because we are not under time pressure to accept whatever right now and be ready for the next one and the next one after that before my flight back home.

I am here 24/7 during high season, low season, bar closures, pre big family holidays, post big family holidays, during every bar girl's kid's birthday, first school day, whenever a popular girl might be motivated to catch that extra 1,500 - 2,000 baht bonus on the way to the mall and so on.

However, if I choose to cruise through Nana Plaza at 9 pm on a Friday night during high season with my goal being to barfine a popular for all the usual and obvious reasons girl for the first time, she will very likely already have seen me cruising through Nana Plaza, probably already have seen me walking out of bars or along Soi 4 with dozens of different girls or multiple times with my lovely young girlfriend over the months or years and she would have no reason whatsoever to give me some mythical local expat discount that night. Not as long as she knows her chances of getting any full price quote customer she targets that night are very, very good anyway.

Nor would she be more inclined to rock my world in bed after having possibly recognized me as a player who has 24/7 access to every pussy in Thailand and not likely to repeat one anyway. As wrong as she might he about that, BTW.

Nor would that hypothetical popular girl be more inclined to agree to BBFSCIP with me considering all of the above factors without extra cash involved before she would agree to it with the clumsy newbie she never saw before and definitely never saw leaving with any other suspected nasty pussy in Nana Plaza. Which was my point in a previous post.

[UglyAzzMan]

We local expats can play the long game in terms of stalling and delaying until we finally catch them at 3 am on a rainy night in low season when their rent is 5 days past due in order to perhaps get a discount on pricing. But, bear in mind, that might also be us stalling, delaying and standing in the rain at 3 am to catch that "win" too.

However, getting great Real Sex / DFK, BBBJ, BBFSCIP in the deal as a local expat is not necessarily in the cards the way getting that price discount might be.

I maintain the best Real Sex any punter will ever get from a Thai P4 P girl is when she thinks he just arrived an hour ago, has no idea how all of this works, is so clumsy and / or unattractive that he hasn't gotten laid in his home country in years if ever, has never been alone in a room with a naked female younger than his mom, suggests a deep hope to find his "soul mate" in Thailand and is scheduled to return to his lonely, sexless life in his home country in 3-4 days.

That is when the Thai P4 P girl has the greatest incentive to rock that dude's world on night one, so much so that he will want to see her and only her again for the duration of his stay and start sending her serious support money after he leaves and she doesn't even need to touch, much less suck or fuck his dick for the next several months.

That is the Big Lottery Win for a Thai P4 P girl.

By comparison, hooking up with a no tricks, no games possible local expat who she can only squeeze out a fair but smaller going rate payment from and only if and when she actually sets aside the time and effort to meet him for actual sucking and fucking is no lottery win for her. That's work. That is not getting a transfer of money support from Mr. Lonelyheart while she and her girlfriends are partying, drinking and eating or buying her Thai BF a new motorcycle.

And I don't even think bothering to rock such a local expat's world sexually makes much sense for her. Not if she is aware that this guy is seen carting a new girl back to his room every other night.

And then there is the girl's assessment of how "clean" and disease-free that Lonelyheart dude supposedly would be vs the local expat who has wallowed in a variety of pussies for years and years. Yes, that will cross these girls' minds too.

All of that and more works against the local expat easily or naturally getting Best Value Sex for his fair going rate and works for the Just Arrived and Naive Newbie getting his world rocked on session one. Maybe even sesson two and three.

Of course, I am only talking about what the girl perceives to be the case with each of these two extremes, the potential for winning the Big Lottery or not and not the reality of them.

I don't doubt Locals can get better prices but how much. Please give examples.

If I'm a girl who is Popular I'm not giving you a discount because you are a Local.

I'm I'm an ugly girl I'd definitely give you a big discount. Hahaha.

[EihTooms]

LOL. Man you make this seem complicated as fuck. No hooker is thinking this might be the big payday every time some stranger on Thai Friendly messages her or a foreigner tries to pick her up in the street. Neither does Domino's Pizza have their fingers crossed that every time the phone rings someone might be ordering 200 pizzas.

We are trading sex for money, not sending rocket ships to outer space. No hooker is saying what an extra good job they have to do for whatever reason. Hell, her extra good job to you might be an extra shitty job to me. Same as Domino's saying we better put extra cheese on these 200 pizzas so the customer is really happy and gives us big tips and more business, but come to find out the customer does not even like extra cheese.

This shit is tic tac toe, not chess.

"No hooker is saying what an extra good job they have to do for whatever reason. ".

Not for more money, not for multiple bookings, not to encourage repeat patronage from a known bell-ringer, no reason at all?

Then, among other things, the time and effort spent by anyone reading this negotiating anything anywhere with any hooker is pretty much pointless, right?

I can only speak from my experience. And in my experience I have not found a venue, bar, shop, neighborhood or online "dating site" yet where the three minimal requirements I count as qualifying for P4 P pizza worth paying any amount of money for, DFK, BBBJ and BBFSCIP, are as reliably and routinely delivered with no hassle, no discussion or negotiation about it as ordering a Domino's Pizza and expecting it to include a Crust, Tomato Sauce and Mozzarella Cheese. At minimum.

Not among the girls I am interested in having sex with, that is.

But, as always, YMMV.

[Mr Enternational]

Of course, I am only talking about what the girl perceives to be the case with each of these two extremes, the potential for winning the Big Lottery or not and not the reality of them.

LOL. Man you make this seem complicated as fuck. No hooker is thinking this might be the big payday every time some stranger on Thai Friendly messages her or a foreigner tries to pick her up in the street. Neither does Domino's Pizza have their fingers crossed that every time the phone rings someone might be ordering 200 pizzas.

We are trading sex for money, not sending rocket ships to outer space. No hooker is saying what an extra good job they have to do for whatever reason. Hell, her extra good job to you might be an extra shitty job to me. Same as Domino's saying we better put extra cheese on these 200 pizzas so the customer is really happy and gives us big tips and more business, but come to find out the customer does not even like extra cheese.

This shit is tic tac toe, not chess.

[UglyAzzMan]

The girls don't know shit. Men assume they know something because they find the girl beautiful or whatever, but most women have low self-esteem and see a bunch of problems instead of a bunch of beauty. And in our hobby, I doubt any of them are thinking I am so beautiful that I have to be a hooker instead of a model or actress or whatever else job people see beautiful women as doing.

They will charge the money they charge because history has shown them that guys will pay it and IMHO that has nothing to do with how beautiful they see themselves. They probably can not believe that guys will give them so much money.

Majority of this Bargirl s are not thinking why guys are Overpaying for my services.

Majority of Bargirl s are thinking am I that unattractive no guys are even offering me anything.

I have no doubt some Girls are making Bank. When I say some I mean FEW.

[EihTooms]

This is absolutely true.

Local expats and retirees have the advantage of playing the long game and a lot less chances of getting scammed (by that I mean being the overseas BF that sends money monthly and for emergencies).

If girls see you as a potential repeat customer, she may price herself accordingly. She's going to assume you have been around, know the drill.

Also, for these girls may be prostitutes, they still are young and want to have fun. If you are nice, fun to be around and she's enjoying her time, she will stay longer than agreed or sometimes not even accept money.

These girls may be "hard" on the outside, but on the inside is a little girl that still waits to be swept off her feet like a princess (it's extremely difficult to peel the layers, but for those that can, it's a great experience). Most these girls prefer Thai guys anyway so no matter how "smooth" you are, Somchai will always have an advantage. I can tell you for a fact because I play in the "Thai" market, and it's extremely difficult because even if the girl likes me, 9/10 times, can't speak Thai (too old and lazy to learn). But the girls are a lot "hotter" than your average BG (more expensive too).

We local expats can play the long game in terms of stalling and delaying until we finally catch them at 3 am on a rainy night in low season when their rent is 5 days past due in order to perhaps get a discount on pricing. But, bear in mind, that might also be us stalling, delaying and standing in the rain at 3 am to catch that "win" too.

However, getting great Real Sex / DFK, BBBJ, BBFSCIP in the deal as a local expat is not necessarily in the cards the way getting that price discount might be.

I maintain the best Real Sex any punter will ever get from a Thai P4 P girl is when she thinks he just arrived an hour ago, has no idea how all of this works, is so clumsy and / or unattractive that he hasn't gotten laid in his home country in years if ever, has never been alone in a room with a naked female younger than his mom, suggests a deep hope to find his "soul mate" in Thailand and is scheduled to return to his lonely, sexless life in his home country in 3-4 days.

That is when the Thai P4 P girl has the greatest incentive to rock that dude's world on night one, so much so that he will want to see her and only her again for the duration of his stay and start sending her serious support money after he leaves and she doesn't even need to touch, much less suck or fuck his dick for the next several months.

That is the Big Lottery Win for a Thai P4 P girl.

By comparison, hooking up with a no tricks, no games possible local expat who she can only squeeze out a fair but smaller going rate payment from and only if and when she actually sets aside the time and effort to meet him for actual sucking and fucking is no lottery win for her. That's work. That is not getting a transfer of money support from Mr. Lonelyheart while she and her girlfriends are partying, drinking and eating or buying her Thai BF a new motorcycle.

And I don't even think bothering to rock such a local expat's world sexually makes much sense for her. Not if she is aware that this guy is seen carting a new girl back to his room every other night.

And then there is the girl's assessment of how "clean" and disease-free that Lonelyheart dude supposedly would be vs the local expat who has wallowed in a variety of pussies for years and years. Yes, that will cross these girls' minds too.

All of that and more works against the local expat easily or naturally getting Best Value Sex for his fair going rate and works for the Just Arrived and Naive Newbie getting his world rocked on session one. Maybe even sesson two and three.

Of course, I am only talking about what the girl perceives to be the case with each of these two extremes, the potential for winning the Big Lottery or not and not the reality of them.

[Mr Enternational]

You don't have Facebook for any ladies in Thailand?

I have facebook of normal women that I know in Thailand. I do not have the facebook of any prostitutes. My niece's mom in Pattaya keeps popping up for me to add her. If I am not adding her, then I sure as hell am not adding any hookers. The DJ at 808 is on my facebook and he is on there cussing some broad out. It appears maybe he loaned her some money or something. Too much damn drama for me!

[NicFrenchy]

What you and your cohort doesn't understand, or want to understand, is that the same girl will quote different guys different prices. Anything from zero baht to ten thousand baht.

I have zero doubt that a guy living here, and who gives of a certain vibe girls are attracted to, will have a lot more success offering 1,000 to a hottie than many other guys will have offering the same hottie 2,000, or even 3,000.

This is absolutely true.

Local expats and retirees have the advantage of playing the long game and a lot less chances of getting scammed (by that I mean being the overseas BF that sends money monthly and for emergencies).

If girls see you as a potential repeat customer, she may price herself accordingly. She's going to assume you have been around, know the drill.

Also, for these girls may be prostitutes, they still are young and want to have fun. If you are nice, fun to be around and she's enjoying her time, she will stay longer than agreed or sometimes not even accept money.

These girls may be "hard" on the outside, but on the inside is a little girl that still waits to be swept off her feet like a princess (it's extremely difficult to peel the layers, but for those that can, it's a great experience). Most these girls prefer Thai guys anyway so no matter how "smooth" you are, Somchai will always have an advantage. I can tell you for a fact because I play in the "Thai" market, and it's extremely difficult because even if the girl likes me, 9/10 times, can't speak Thai (too old and lazy to learn). But the girls are a lot "hotter" than your average BG (more expensive too).

[Nyezhov]

The girls don't know shit. Men assume they know something because they find the girl beautiful or whatever, but most women have low self-esteem and see a bunch of problems instead of a bunch of beauty. And in our hobby, I doubt any of them are thinking I am so beautiful that I have to be a hooker instead of a model or actress or whatever else job people see beautiful women as doing.

They will charge the money they charge because history has shown them that guys will pay it and IMHO that has nothing to do with how beautiful they see themselves. They probably can not believe that guys will give them so much money.

As usual, common sense. Lot of the folks overly concerned about what the girls charge generally Overpay.

[Explorer8939]

No. I would have put that shit in the garage and fixed it when I got back, or told the shop when I would be back to pick it up.

You don't have Facebook for any ladies in Thailand?

[SubCmdr]

I don't even like this mother fuck, but he is 100% on point.

We have mother fucks who don't even live in Pattaya like Oakie and (name redacted for privacy) saying there are not freelancers in Pattaya or trying to dictate how much others should pay. They are saying only ugly girls are available at 1000 THB. Anyone who wants to meet me and actually see what we can get for 1000 THB is welcome. If you talking shit I will show you my golf swing. If you have respect I will show you where the 1000 THB hos be at.

The girls don't know shit. Men assume they know something because they find the girl beautiful or whatever, but most women have low self-esteem and see a bunch of problems instead of a bunch of beauty. And in our hobby, I doubt any of them are thinking I am so beautiful that I have to be a hooker instead of a model or actress or whatever else job people see beautiful women as doing.

They will charge the money they charge because history has shown them that guys will pay it and IMHO that has nothing to do with how beautiful they see themselves. They probably can not believe that guys will give them so much money.

[Mr Enternational]

So when I hear guys saying it's realistic to get a decent girl for 1000 LT? Come on now. That's not the norm. That's either luck, charity, or creative storytelling. Even if you are the best negotiator in the world, it wont matter. If you pay under market, there is a reason and it wont be something that occurs often. Otherwise, the market would be lower.

Ain't no market. There is only what you are willing to pay and what she is willing to accept. When I press that UberX button I have gotten a Hyundai, Mercedes, and Tesla. To let you guys tell it, nobody is picking you up in a Mercedes or Tesla for the cheap price that they would in a Hyundai. But time and time again, they have.

[Werqweq]

Finally someone calls me E out on pricing besides me.

You know the answer ET. His girls are Ugly.

Nothing wrong with Ugly. Darn Cheap.

What you and your cohort doesn't understand, or want to understand, is that the same girl will quote different guys different prices. Anything from zero baht to ten thousand baht.

I have zero doubt that a guy living here, and who gives of a certain vibe girls are attracted to, will have a lot more success offering 1,000 to a hottie than many other guys will have offering the same hottie 2,000, or even 3,000.

Ugly? It's not them, dude.

[Mr Enternational]

The girl who knows she's a firm 9 or 10 in this market (and yes, some of them do know) is going to expect more than the girl who's just going through the motions for rent money.

The girls don't know shit. Men assume they know something because they find the girl beautiful or whatever, but most women have low self-esteem and see a bunch of problems instead of a bunch of beauty. And in our hobby, I doubt any of them are thinking I am so beautiful that I have to be a hooker instead of a model or actress or whatever else job people see beautiful women as doing.

They will charge the money they charge because history has shown them that guys will pay it and IMHO that has nothing to do with how beautiful they see themselves. They probably can not believe that guys will give them so much money.

[AggieDad1]

I spent some time in a bar today, and endured hearing some US guy talking at bar girls. He spoke in rapid fire English, how the ladies understood is a mystery to me.

If you are going to talk at the ladies, try to speak slowly and don't use slang.

Good advice. Wish someone would have told me this 20 years ago before I started working in China. One day I was sitting in a bar in China after being in country for 7 months talking to a Spanish guy. After a while he told me that he could understand my English better than any American or Brit he had ever spoken too. I told him it was because I had been working with people for months who speak little or no english. You either learn to speak slowly and cut out the slang or spend half your day repeating yourself.