American Politics

**Elvis 2008** · 05-05-25 17:46

Originally Posted by HotDog666 [View Original Post]

Trump is the embodiment of the other reason for America's demise. If you reject the very values that made you great in the first place (would the American economy have expanded as it did in the absence of its constitution, or legal framework or social values?) and if the rot comes from within then there is no one left to blame.

Nope, sorry, the US Constitution is for Americans not people who come to our country illegally and commit crimes, and when we were founded as a nation, we had slaves and only land owners could vote. Before an income tax and women could vote, the USA was the #1 economy in the world.

Everyone knows that the reason Biden opened up the border was to pay immigrants money so they could vote Democrat. That is not saving our country. Our forefathers knew that when citizens could vote themselves money as opposed to work for it, we were doomed.

Originally Posted by HotDog666 [View Original Post]

Both of these reasons are pertinent to America: take the aphorism that never in history of humanity have so many people been alleviated from so much poverty in such a brief period of time as in modern day China. The Chinese learned from Lee Kuan Yew how to generate such incredible economic growth and in doing so also refuted the notion that economic growth necessitates a democratic system.

If the world were able to sue China for damages from Covid, they would be poorer than when they joined the WTO. China is no miracle. They had the largest population and enticed businesses to locate there so they could sell to that market however American businesses had to partner with China. China steals their secrets and goes out on their own and produces things at a much lower cost hurting the original Western businesses. People were enticed by lower prices, and our supply chains were stupidly moved there. Slave wages and theft do not impress me.

China does not care about profits. The CCCP wants power. The reason that China is building so many empty cities is to keep people employed, and China is going into tremendous debt to do so. Demographically speaking, the one child policy will spell doom as their population is already older than America's. China is going the way of the last Asian economic miracle country which was Japan. Their debt will strangle them.

Originally Posted by HotDog666 [View Original Post]

Trump is the embodiment of the other reason for America's demise.

America will remain a highly influential power on the world stage simply due to its economic size and resources and its military might but the sun is setting on its being the sole superpower. The ascendancy of China to rival America on an eye to eye basis was always probable but is now inevitable. And the worst of it is America has accelerated its decline itself.

Not even close. China is hugely dependent on Middle East oil and does not have the navy to keep it flowing. That is why the USA is getting out of the world's policeman / super power role. We are no longer dependent on foreign oil. Foreign trade is more of a luxury than a necessity for the USA now. Everyone wants to sell in the USA market and with that comes power that Trump is using.

What is happening now is that Trump wants to bring production back to the USA. A lot of the manufacturing that will be being brought back to the USA will be with automation. The tariffs are put in place to negotiate better deals for the USA and to protect these newly formed manufacturers. You cannot have China and Vietnam dumping goods in at below cost to destroy these nascent industries. And we were bringing back supply chains even before Trump was in office. He is just accelerating the process.

Once we bring much of our production back to the USA, we will produce better goods than anywhere else.

Thing about the Chinese economic miracle is the people touting that do not live in China. It does not take anyone long to figure out China is hell once they are there. The civilized places are crowded as fuck. Twenty miles out of the city, and you are back in the Middle Ages. And the people who return from China are often sick from the food, air, and water.

Once the USA moves away from rewarding the people who do not produce anything like lawyers and hedge fund managers and starts to reward people who provide actual goods and services to the public, we will be fine, and that will happen.

By the way, the reason the market has been up the last 10 sessions or so is not just that Trump is striking deals, it is that the tariffs are not nearly as inflationary as the media is reporting, and the tariffs are needed to protect those investing in that new manufacturing.

**SubCmdr** · 05-05-25 17:12

On this occasion I'll opt to disregard his wise words to point out that Trump swore to uphold the constitution. Try reading it slowly.

Look up why President Nixon resigned.

The OP (who is a guest) needs to start by reading the Constitution of the United States of America. Babies learn this stuff in school. Grow men should already know it.

Remedial education is needed:

https://youtu.be/pKSGyiT-o3o?si=tM6qCtqr5ZiW2-U5

https://youtu.be/SZ8psP4S6BQ?si=3nYqZ_4ibdZERHM9

https://youtu.be/pKSGyiT-o3o?si=yuhid-ZVoLzBIcFM

You are welcome!

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**HotDog666** · 05-05-25 13:18

Originally Posted by SubCmdr [View Original Post]

POTUS does not have to support the constitution. If he does not the Article II Branch of the USGOV can act.

https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-...mpeachment.htm

Why I have to explain this to grown men is beyond me. They must be guests if they don't understand it.

"Don't wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty and the pig enjoys it", urged George Bernard Shaw.

On this occasion I'll opt to disregard his wise words to point out that Trump swore to uphold the constitution. Try reading it slowly.

**SubCmdr** · 05-05-25 08:35

Originally Posted by Spidy [View Original Post]

Okay, here's a reminder, in case you forgot, what that looks like in the real world, as to what are the different ways, that government spends your tax dollars? https://www.ramseysolutions.com/taxe...r-tax-money-go

Health (29.1%)
Social Security (16.2%)
National Defense (16%)
National Debt Interest (12.2%)
Income Security (7.7%)
Veterans Benefits (3.8%)
Education (2.6%)
Transportation (1.5%)
Miscellaneous (10.9%) (ie. Agriculture, Justice, General government, Natural resources and environment, International affairs, Community and regional development ...etc)

So where's the parasitic spending?

Ok Spidy so we have a member of the party that houses racists under the guise of being conservatives saying Social Security is a hand out. Why do they continue to repeat that lie? You and I know why. It is because they are hopeful individuals will not call them on their misinformation (actually lies). No matter how many times they say it the facts don't change. My fellow Americans have paid into Social Security. Where is the hand out? Those same Americans also pay the taxes that fund the rest of the expenses on your list.

It is the fault of the Article I branch of the USGOV that debt exists.

Who is receiving Social Security that was not a productive citizen before they began to receive it? Are individuals of the party that harbors (you know what) really that incapable of reasoning and rational thought? Or are they just numerically impaired.

Last question: I wonder out loud if the same people calling Social Security a hand out will also collect it when their times comes? They need to say yes.

Don't lie mother fucks!

**Sirioja** · 05-05-25 07:58

Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]

Trump's Meet The Press interview will go down in history as Exhibit A for the total idiocy of any human being left on Earth who believes a single syllable of anything that fat fucking liar says.

Uh. You dumb fat fuck, going from "30 dolls to 2 dolls that cost more" is a 93% reduction in economic activity accompanied by higher prices along with, unavoidably and inevitably, a huge reduction in the number of employees on the payroll to sell dolls.

Otherwise known as Classic Repub Policy and Stewardhip Economic Stagflation.

Although it is doubtful the lady interviewing him on that typically pro Repub Mainstream Media program knew it because all she managed to do in the face of Trump's Gish Gallop fire hose of lies was to smile, nod and try to remember or figure out what her next question that won't get a coherent answer from that dumb fat fuck will be.

Yes, your senile Trump You elected twice, is a so big liar. When USA never protected Ukraine and never gave 350 billions help, but hardly half and not more than Europe, with half help going to USA companies sending their weapons stock, when Europe don t ask more than double money back. When USA can t compete with China, or Europe quality for economics, when USA always made good business from wars, even when they lost, now USA new business is robbering poor Ukrainians, without not even protecting them. Such shameful USA now, rather than MAGA.

**Spidy** · 05-05-25 07:29

Originally Posted by Elvis 2008 [View Original Post]

I have got a better idea. How about you and all the other parasites actually go to work and earn a living and leave me and all the other productive people the fuck alone? For the millionth time, I do not object to the 1/3 of income tax going for government services but the 2/3 going to parasites like you so you can pay for hookers abroad.

What amazes me is that you so fucking selfish that you are driving the country into debt with your parasitism and consider yourself a patriot. Every country in the world wants people like me, and the only reason any country would want you is for your government check. If that stopped, they would not want anything to do with you.

(...kkkk!)

Once again and for the umpteenth time, please provide the facts, links, articles or evidence to your "2/3 [government spending] going to parasites" MAGA propaganda?

Surely, when those right-wing (lunatics) and MAGA moronic pundits, told you this garbage, also provided you with FACTS, links, articles, documentation, something to go along with that "spoon full" of propaganda? ....NO?

Or is this just more typical, vintage Elvis 2008 hyperbole? (...kkkk!)

Okay, here's a reminder, in case you forgot, what that looks like in the real world, as to what are the different ways, that government spends your tax dollars? https://www.ramseysolutions.com/taxe...r-tax-money-go

• Health (29.1%)
• Social Security (16.2%)
• National Defense (16%)
• National Debt Interest (12.2%)
• Income Security (7.7%)
• Veterans Benefits (3.8%)
• Education (2.6%)
• Transportation (1.5%)
• Miscellaneous (10.9%) (ie. Agriculture, Justice, General government, Natural resources and environment, International affairs, Community and regional development ...etc)

So where's the parasitic spending?

**MarquisdeSade1** · 05-05-25 05:35

Originally Posted by EihTooms [View Original Post]

Trump's Meet The Press interview will go down in history as Exhibit A for the total idiocy of any human being left on Earth who believes a single syllable of anything that fat fucking liar says.

Uh. You dumb fat fuck, going from "30 dolls to 2 dolls that cost more" is a 93% reduction in economic activity accompanied by higher prices along with, unavoidably and inevitably, a huge reduction in the number of employees on the payroll to sell dolls.

Otherwise known as Classic Repub Policy and Stewardhip Economic Stagflation.

Although it is doubtful the lady interviewing him on that typically pro Repub Mainstream Media program knew it because all she managed to do in the face of Trump's Gish Gallop fire hose of lies was to smile, nod and try to remember or figure out what her next question that won't get a coherent answer from that dumb fat fuck will be.

https://www.newsmax.com/briggenblain...02/id/1209352/

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...biden-economy/

**SubCmdr** · 05-05-25 05:34

POTUS does not have to support the constitution. If he does not the Article II Branch of the USGOV can act.

As adopted by the framers of the Constitution, this congressional power is a fundamental component of the system of checks and balances. Through the impeachment process, Congress charges and then tries an official of the federal government for Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-...mpeachment.htm

Why I have to explain this to grown men is beyond me. They must be guests if they don't understand it.

**EihTooms** · 05-04-25 20:45

Originally Posted by HotDog666 [View Original Post]

https://www.ft.com/content/b4efc86a-...d-619fb1841943

Civilisations rise and fall. What precipitates their collapse? It's broadly one of two reasons. Firstly, it's another society ascertaining what made the incumbent civilisation so great, how to replicate and possibly improve upon these features through luck, circumstance, industry or other less respectable means. Take for example the UK, the birthplace of the industrial revolution, upon which the sun finally did set post WW2 which gave the impetus for America to exercise its latent industrial might.

The other reason is when the incumbent civilisation forgets the values or key sucess factors that bought it into prominence. There are whole books devoted to why the Roman empire collapsed with multiple reasons but amongst those will be prominent that the Roman empire became decadent, corrupt and had a succession of incapable leaders.

Both of these reasons are pertinent to America: take the aphorism that never in history of humanity have so many people been alleviated from so much poverty in such a brief period of time as in modern day China. The Chinese learned from Lee Kuan Yew how to generate such incredible economic growth and in doing so also refuted the notion that economic growth necessitates a democratic system.

Trump is the embodiment of the other reason for America's demise. If you reject the very values that made you great in the first place (would the American economy have expanded as it did in the absence of its constitution, or legal framework or social values?) and if the rot comes from within then there is no one left to blame.

America will remain a highly influential power on the world stage simply due to its economic size and resources and its military might but the sun is setting on its being the sole superpower. The ascendancy of China to rival America on an eye to eye basis was always probable but is now inevitable. And the worst of it is America has accelerated its decline itself.

The ROW's goal must now be to shape a new world order in which America and China can co-exist without a military or other kind of war, simply for self interest purposes. Whether that's likely is something I don't know.

Trump's Meet The Press interview will go down in history as Exhibit A for the total idiocy of any human being left on Earth who believes a single syllable of anything that fat fucking liar says.

Uh. You dumb fat fuck, going from "30 dolls to 2 dolls that cost more" is a 93% reduction in economic activity accompanied by higher prices along with, unavoidably and inevitably, a huge reduction in the number of employees on the payroll to sell dolls.

Otherwise known as Classic Repub Policy and Stewardhip Economic Stagflation.

Although it is doubtful the lady interviewing him on that typically pro Repub Mainstream Media program knew it because all she managed to do in the face of Trump's Gish Gallop fire hose of lies was to smile, nod and try to remember or figure out what her next question that won't get a coherent answer from that dumb fat fuck will be.

**HotDog666** · 05-04-25 17:25

https://www.ft.com/content/b4efc86a-...d-619fb1841943

Civilisations rise and fall. What precipitates their collapse? It's broadly one of two reasons. Firstly, it's another society ascertaining what made the incumbent civilisation so great, how to replicate and possibly improve upon these features through luck, circumstance, industry or other less respectable means. Take for example the UK, the birthplace of the industrial revolution, upon which the sun finally did set post WW2 which gave the impetus for America to exercise its latent industrial might.

The other reason is when the incumbent civilisation forgets the values or key sucess factors that bought it into prominence. There are whole books devoted to why the Roman empire collapsed with multiple reasons but amongst those will be prominent that the Roman empire became decadent, corrupt and had a succession of incapable leaders.

Both of these reasons are pertinent to America: take the aphorism that never in history of humanity have so many people been alleviated from so much poverty in such a brief period of time as in modern day China. The Chinese learned from Lee Kuan Yew how to generate such incredible economic growth and in doing so also refuted the notion that economic growth necessitates a democratic system.

Trump is the embodiment of the other reason for America's demise. If you reject the very values that made you great in the first place (would the American economy have expanded as it did in the absence of its constitution, or legal framework or social values?) and if the rot comes from within then there is no one left to blame.

America will remain a highly influential power on the world stage simply due to its economic size and resources and its military might but the sun is setting on its being the sole superpower. The ascendancy of China to rival America on an eye to eye basis was always probable but is now inevitable. And the worst of it is America has accelerated its decline itself.

The ROW's goal must now be to shape a new world order in which America and China can co-exist without a military or other kind of war, simply for self interest purposes. Whether that's likely is something I don't know.

**Elvis 2008** · 05-04-25 14:32

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**SubCmdr** · 05-04-25 12:58

https://m-economictimes-com.cdn.ampp...331AQGsAEggAID#ampshare=https%3 A%2 F%2 Fm. economictimes.com%2 Fnews%2 Finternational%2 Fus%2 Fdoge-cancels-over-200000-credit-cards-who-is-affected-and-what-it-means%2 Farticleshow%2 F118900635. Cms.

However, the State Department emerged as the only agency among the 16 that did not have any credit cards canceled during this initial phase of the audit.

That is because Elon Musk is scared shitless of the Secretary of State! Even Musk know who he can fuck with and who he cannot in the USGOV! The Secretary of State does not play nor kiss Musk's ass. The Secretary of State stood up against Trator Musk in the first Cabinet Meeting that POTUS held and shut Musk down.

https://youtube.com/shorts/jMHoGfWY0...9eK-b6jqn4jw3A

Oh, that was nasty!

**SubCmdr** · 05-04-25 12:40

And if they refuse the offer send them to CECOT where he belongs. Spanish: Centro de Confinamiento del Terrorismo, abbreviated and commonly known as CECOT) is a maximum security prison in Tecoluca, El Salvador.

Cute quote!

Those who look to El Salvador as an example of good government should go live there. It is a benevolent dictatorship hiding as a democracy clothing. My only respect is due to their stance on Bitcoin. Which they rolled back after they needed to get on their knees for a loan from the IMF.

In December 2024, El Salvador and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) reached a staff-level agreement for a $1.4 billion loan. The agreement, which outlines key policy commitments and structural reforms, remains subject to approval by the IMF Executive Board before the funds can be disbursed. However, concerns persist among civil society organizations and broader segments of the Salvadorean public that approval of an arrangement with the IMF could enable continued democratic backsliding and allow Nayib Bukele to further consolidate his authoritarian grip. The IMF Executive Board can help mitigate such concerns by enhancing transparency and accountability in the IMF-supported program. As a first step, including the following considerations into the IMF program would strengthen democratic norms and the rule of law in El Salvador, especially in the areas of governance and anti-corruption. Similarly, by improving consultation and encouraging communication with and the involvement of civil society actors, the IMF team, management, and the board would support broader public buy-in and strengthen program implementation.

Why is it that the only governments individuals who favor the views of the party that harbors racists only admire dictators and those that want to be dictators like Elon Musk?

In fact, those that have a problem with US Citizens who live outside of the Dis-United States of America are idiots who do not realize that those citizens pay taxes to the US Federal Government no matter where in the world they are living. So, outside services from the US State Department, Office of Consulate Services, me and my fellow Americans like me receive no benefits from our taxes. We retain our vote precisely because we pay taxes.

Individuals in the party that harbor racists that make statements that Social Security is a hand out are uninformed at best, liars at worst. If you have a problem with Social Security. Be a man. Write to your elective representative and your two Senators and tell them you support Social Security being means tested. You do know you can do that right?

You are aware of this provision in the United States Constitution:

The First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

If you didnt know, now you know!

**SubCmdr** · 05-04-25 09:16