Bangkok Reports

[Werqweq]

So she is a strong repeat in my book if I lived here that is. Yes I tipped her. Sue me.

I may be wrong, but in these shops I think most of us tip for BBFS and other things not part of the expected the service.

[Werqweq]

It used to be like that, but it's becoming increasingly difficult these days, and there is a pretty good reason for this: the exponential increase of the Asian customer.

Maybe it will someday become like that, but that day is not here yet, and hopefully it will not arrive anytime soon. So far I'm sticking to that rule, and there has only been one time where a girl flat out refused to get paid afterwards instead of first: a go-go girl on Soi cowboy, though her friend sitting on my other side was ok to go and accept payment after as usual, so we did not go together. One or two others have mentioned it, probably because other customers have agreed like you say (some go-go bars even have a professional looking price list with short-time rates and other things ready to show newbies), but did not put up any argument when I said I will pay after.

Somebody spending the time to walk/taxi to my place, only when inside telling me I have to pay first, and then leaving when I refused? That's strange enough I'd not be surprised if it had turned out to be ladyboy or something else wrong there after money was paid.

I am not mad, I can see how frustrating it used to be for girls I used to take, telling me stories about guys paying for 2 hours massage and only wanting a HJ. This was 2 K+ income loss if the girl was popular.

Well, that's a different thing, and I think most of us agree that makes sense for the girls and shop.

[PgReal]

I walked by Addict and Mango today. I have a hard time navigating these places. I hate being in the spotlight. Suddenly there are 10 women with 10 different reactions to my presence. Of course my brain tries hopelessly to "manage" things. But mostly I just gave a smile and nod, kept walking while noticing some girls seemed enthusiastic, some meh, and some barely noticed me. I know this sounds like 8th grade stuff but such is my reality. I noticed one other place as I turned the corner with a kind, cute face gazing towards me. I kept going but after about a minute I decided to take the plunge at that place. Oriental massage (https://www.orient-massage.com/). It's not making headlines, pretty average girls and facility.

Anyways I went for 90 minute oil massage w / shower room for I want to say 2100. Nikka was interesting. I would have sworn she was Japanese. Probably 30, cute face, very kawai vibe, even using sounds like Aht! When surprised. But she feigned ignorance and said she was from Bangkok. I think she had a schtick going. She was not my typical physique. She sat solidly in the thicc category with plenty of cushion all over. But damn she was sexy, she could move, the kawai thing was pinging me hard, and very attentive. Who knows but she seemed to be enjoying herself. First body to body, then TONS of BBBJ. Eventually she covered me up and hopped on. Had a lot of fun, but after 10+ days of this, there was no way I could finish with the condom.

I asked if we could return to BJ and she was very agreeable. Well after several minutes, it just still wasn't happening. Empty tank. I thanked her, said she did great, and no worries. She massaged me a bit more then I pulled her on top to enjoy her big ol' titties one more time. Well one thing leads to another, she's all lubed up again, sliding all over me. I have her grind me P2 P and I won't lie I was angling to slip it in. She certainly wasn't resisting, and suddenly it's happening and she gives another quick little Aht! With a "shocked" look on her face (just like an anime). But that lasts 1/2 a second and we're going at it. Not sure why but I chose to not finish inside. I felt she had been very generous.

So she is a strong repeat in my book if I lived here that is. Yes I tipped her. Sue me.

So deep question, your trip of 14 days is quite intense, do you think at this point (say day 10), the novelty of banging multiple girls every day has worn off or dwindled somewhat? I don't mean physically but more the urge, does a good nights sleep seem more attractive at this or any point on the trip so far?

The longest mongering trip I've spent to Thailand so far is 7 days, I think I didn't pick up any girl for at least 2 days on that trip, just became boring to a degree.

Law of diminishing returns!!

Interested in the thoughts of others.

[Nyezhov]

The possible reason more and more girls do this is because there are guys who don't pay. .

Thats what I was told in Billboard at one time. Its a flexible rule tho.

[HorseTrader]

I walked by Addict and Mango today. I have a hard time navigating these places. I hate being in the spotlight. Suddenly there are 10 women with 10 different reactions to my presence. Of course my brain tries hopelessly to "manage" things. But mostly I just gave a smile and nod, kept walking while noticing some girls seemed enthusiastic, some meh, and some barely noticed me. I know this sounds like 8th grade stuff but such is my reality. I noticed one other place as I turned the corner with a kind, cute face gazing towards me. I kept going but after about a minute I decided to take the plunge at that place. Oriental massage (https://www.orient-massage.com/). It's not making headlines, pretty average girls and facility.

Anyways I went for 90 minute oil massage w / shower room for I want to say 2100. Nikka was interesting. I would have sworn she was Japanese. Probably 30, cute face, very kawai vibe, even using sounds like Aht! When surprised. But she feigned ignorance and said she was from Bangkok. I think she had a schtick going. She was not my typical physique. She sat solidly in the thicc category with plenty of cushion all over. But damn she was sexy, she could move, the kawai thing was pinging me hard, and very attentive. Who knows but she seemed to be enjoying herself. First body to body, then TONS of BBBJ. Eventually she covered me up and hopped on. Had a lot of fun, but after 10+ days of this, there was no way I could finish with the condom.

I asked if we could return to BJ and she was very agreeable. Well after several minutes, it just still wasn't happening. Empty tank. I thanked her, said she did great, and no worries. She massaged me a bit more then I pulled her on top to enjoy her big ol' titties one more time. Well one thing leads to another, she's all lubed up again, sliding all over me. I have her grind me P2 P and I won't lie I was angling to slip it in. She certainly wasn't resisting, and suddenly it's happening and she gives another quick little Aht! With a "shocked" look on her face (just like an anime). But that lasts 1/2 a second and we're going at it. Not sure why but I chose to not finish inside. I felt she had been very generous.

So she is a strong repeat in my book if I lived here that is. Yes I tipped her. Sue me.

Orient is one of the places where I was told no BBFS from anyone. One of the girls even recommended the freelancer sitting on the pavement across the alley. She was not up to my standards so I passed.

Your experience mimics some of mine back in the days where I was transitioning from CFS to BBFS. Many girls say no BB when setting up a session, but upon my failure to finish, they sometimes agree to BBFS. These Thai girls don't want to leave a customer unsatisfied. I've had similar experiences from Thermae, massage shops, and go go bars. Of course, it does not happen in every instance, which results in frustration and is why I now negotiate BBFS before going to the room.

Those positive experiences for Thai girls seems to hold true with Lao girls, sometimes but not always. But Vietnamese girls are the opposite, they will change BBFS street agreement into an extra fee in the room. Now I avoid Vietnamese girls. My sample size for such experiences is too small to be scientifically accepted, but that is how I feel.

[Asian Rain]

The rest of my night was just OK. Had another drama moment after Aya, the girl I found outside Thermae at closing came all the way back to my condo. There we couldn't reach an agreement as to when I would pay. She was demanding payment before we began and I told her I could not do that. She packed up and walked out. I don't consider that a failure. Just the time cost of doing business as a monger. Better to demand quality and miss a few shots. (I did break that rule once here yes, a gamble, but it went OK.).

The possible reason more and more girls do this is because there are guys who don't pay. The guy will go through the session and then claim that the encounter was not P4 P and try to walk with a freebie. I had a Thai girl Mai that I picked up in front of Sofitel that wanted payment up front for this reason. Incidentally, the pay first expectation is quite the norm in my experience with the Vietnamese girls working on Nana.

I can offer a suggestion to defuse this kind of situation. Use translate and say "I understand your concern. After we finish, the money is yours. " Then take out the agreed money, show it clearly to the girl and place it on the table. This way the girl knows that you have expected payment and understand it is a P4 P situation. I will typically put the remote control or some object to keep the money from being moved or snatched, but I will keep it clearly in sight on the table. This approach has never failed me. In the event that the girl insists upon pocketing the money before services, then I would pick up the money, pack up and go as this is a likely indicator that she has bad intentions. Enjoy BKK, AR.

[JoshAllen]

I walked by Addict and Mango today. I have a hard time navigating these places. I hate being in the spotlight. Suddenly there are 10 women with 10 different reactions to my presence. Of course my brain tries hopelessly to "manage" things. But mostly I just gave a smile and nod, kept walking while noticing some girls seemed enthusiastic, some meh, and some barely noticed me. I know this sounds like 8th grade stuff but such is my reality. I noticed one other place as I turned the corner with a kind, cute face gazing towards me. I kept going but after about a minute I decided to take the plunge at that place. Oriental massage (https://www.orient-massage.com/). It's not making headlines, pretty average girls and facility.

Anyways I went for 90 minute oil massage w / shower room for I want to say 2100. Nikka was interesting. I would have sworn she was Japanese. Probably 30, cute face, very kawai vibe, even using sounds like Aht! When surprised. But she feigned ignorance and said she was from Bangkok. I think she had a schtick going. She was not my typical physique. She sat solidly in the thicc category with plenty of cushion all over. But damn she was sexy, she could move, the kawai thing was pinging me hard, and very attentive. Who knows but she seemed to be enjoying herself. First body to body, then TONS of BBBJ. Eventually she covered me up and hopped on. Had a lot of fun, but after 10+ days of this, there was no way I could finish with the condom.

I asked if we could return to BJ and she was very agreeable. Well after several minutes, it just still wasn't happening. Empty tank. I thanked her, said she did great, and no worries. She massaged me a bit more then I pulled her on top to enjoy her big ol' titties one more time. Well one thing leads to another, she's all lubed up again, sliding all over me. I have her grind me P2 P and I won't lie I was angling to slip it in. She certainly wasn't resisting, and suddenly it's happening and she gives another quick little Aht! With a "shocked" look on her face (just like an anime). But that lasts 1/2 a second and we're going at it. Not sure why but I chose to not finish inside. I felt she had been very generous.

So she is a strong repeat in my book if I lived here that is. Yes I tipped her. Sue me.

[NicFrenchy]

Good choice. Freelancers (except fiwfans and possibly a few other thai-centric places), go-go girls and bar-girls are always pay-after in Thailand. Anything else should bring up a red flag, and somebody insisting on getting paid first after already having gone back with you, lots of red flags

It used to be like that, but it's becoming increasingly difficult these days, and there is a pretty good reason for this: the exponential increase of the Asian customer.

You can see it almost everywhere, Oilies are now all FS-included, thanks to our Japanese friends who can't handle negotiating and tipping while in the room.

For Bars and FL's girls are getting wiser and since the Japanese, Koreans, Chinese have no issue with upfront payment, they are setting a new normal and soon enough, the Farang is going to come here whining about how it's not the "good old days" anymore. Well the good old days, they're gone! I am also not a fan of this system, I like to assess the mood of the girl and maybe only want a BJ and no FS, but that choice is being taken away from us. You pay FS, whatever you do in the room is your problem.

I am not mad, I can see how frustrating it used to be for girls I used to take, telling me stories about guys paying for 2 hours massage and only wanting a HJ. This was 2 K+ income loss if the girl was popular.

We adapt, or we stand with our dick in our hand watching porn (wirl exaggeration, I know, but you get the picture).

[Trevor2522]

She was demanding payment before we began and I told her I could not do that. She packed up and walked out. I don't consider that a failure. Just the time cost of doing business as a monger. Better to demand quality and miss a few shots. (I did break that rule once here yes, a gamble, but it went OK.). Went right back to outside Thermae and found (Mai-) Dee. Well, a new round of negotiation began in the midst. Wanted extra 500 for BBBJ. Had no amount to which she would agree to BBFS.

These days it sounds like you need a Thai lawyer to draft a legal agreement, and get her to sign it. What a farce! Just go to Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy, Pattaya Soi 6 or Beach Road. The first three you have recourse to any 'infringements'.

[NicFrenchy]

felt pricy. The base massage price was 1400. She told me 2000 extra for the BJ (after the deed)

I had a similar experience at CCARE https://ccarebangkokmassage.com/.

I wanted a professional Neck & Shoulder followed by an oil massage with "Special".

Their answer: "You looking for! The professional massage?? OR!!Young lady beautiful massage?

I opted for the second and no neck & Shoulder, 1200 for the massage (2 hours) + the lady had the audacity to quote me 1,500 for a HJ. When I laughed (genuine laugh) she wouldn't understand, but being here 2 decades help. I started joking with her, that usually I get "Chukwow" for 300. She was shocked but we had a good laugh. She completely relaxed and was teasing. Ended us quoting 1 K for BBBJ but no CIM, she also asked for extra 500 to undress. We settled for 1200 B2 B with BBBJ.

She was enthusiastically trying but, poor thing, she was not good at it. But all in all, I can say I had fun.

[Werqweq]

The rest of my night was just OK. Had another drama moment after Aya, the girl I found outside Thermae at closing came all the way back to my condo. There we couldn't reach an agreement as to when I would pay. She was demanding payment before we began and I told her I could not do that. She packed up and walked out. I don't consider that a failure. Just the time cost of doing business as a monger.

Good choice. Freelancers (except fiwfans and possibly a few other thai-centric places), go-go girls and bar-girls are always pay-after in Thailand. Anything else should bring up a red flag, and somebody insisting on getting paid first after already having gone back with you, lots of red flags.

Went right back to outside Thermae and found Dee (I was half wondering if she was a ladyboy (I asked and she denied). Just a certain facial structure, a little tall, hands medium sized, but thin boned, no adams apple. Unfortunately none of these features fully rule anything in or out. I have no doubt of my abilities to confirm yay or nay anatomically down below though. I won't elaborate but I am sure.

Well a new round of negotiation began in the midst. Wanted extra 500 for BBBJ. I didn't broach the topic before we started, a mistake.

Unlike some sucky countries, BJ is by default without condom in Thailand, and the onus is on the girl to say if it's not in her very particular case. I've never bothered to confirm that with any p4p-girl in Thailand, and nobody has ever asked me to use a condom for BJ either. Not sure how the dudes here manage to find all these crazy thai girls.

If a girl insisted on covered BJ, I'd promptly cancel the session without pay, and recommend anyone else does the same. Paying extra for stuff like that will turn Thailand into one of those sucky countries (I live in one now) where you have to confirm all sorts of stuff before going with the p4p-girl.

If you've already been banging her for half an hour before you suggest she puts her lip on your dick, and she at that point insists you continue with a condom, you're obviously shit out of luck and have to pay her the agreed price. But if not, and you have any reason to worry she will bring out a condom for BJ, start with a BJ before any other sexual activities. Then just cancel politely and with a fake smile if she does not want to do that.

[JoshAllen]

The rest of my night was just OK. Had another drama moment after Aya, the girl I found outside Thermae at closing came all the way back to my condo. There we couldn't reach an agreement as to when I would pay. She was demanding payment before we began and I told her I could not do that. She packed up and walked out. I don't consider that a failure. Just the time cost of doing business as a monger. Better to demand quality and miss a few shots. (I did break that rule once here yes, a gamble, but it went OK.).

Went right back to outside Thermae and found Dee (I was half wondering if she was a ladyboy (I asked and she denied). Just a certain facial structure, a little tall, hands medium sized, but thin boned, no adams apple. Unfortunately none of these features fully rule anything in or out. I have no doubt of my abilities to confirm yay or nay anatomically down below though. I won't elaborate but I am sure.

Well a new round of negotiation began in the midst. Wanted extra 500 for BBBJ. I didn't broach the topic before we started, a mistake. Had no amount to which she would agree to BBFS. Anyways it was all just ok, not great. She was "too sensitive" for much touching her pussy, much less any oral. I got enough of a feel to be quite certain though. I was able to confirm even further when the condom ended up coming off and getting lost in her vaginal vault! I told her don't worry and gently recovered it, in the process feeling a definite cervix. Not a ladyboy. Anyways kinda just meh. Wasn't really tolerating even full penetration. Definitely would not repeat with her, but yet another sexual encounter with a pretty fricken' hot girl, just service pretty average to below average. Paid the agreed 3000 + the desperation agreed to mid-session 500 for BBBJ. Yes a slip up on my part. Didn't tip.

Next day, I got a good rest that morning, spent several hrs at Chatuchak weekend market amidst a sea of Chinese tourists, then slept again, deciding I would just take 1 day off. Well I was up by midnight, then roaming around again. Ended up realizing I was feeling extremely lazy and just wanted a massage and BJ. WhatsApp to some outcall massage services at 4 AM. One responded and I was sent a lineup of pics and we set up a time. This business is not overtly erotic per their website and menu. I said I wanted "massage and special" (a term I learned here). They said I would need to work out extras with the girl.

Hana (https://similanthaimassage.com/outcall/hana/64) came to my room, probably early 30's, not a hardbody but nice shape, cute face, definitely matched the pics I was sent. I think I would definitely have opted for FS with her but she said her menu only included HJ or BJ. She made a few comments about my package (I am only slightly above the statistical average size though, so whatever). I am not sure if she took FS off the menu. OK, chose BJ and to my pleasant surprise this consisted of BBBJCIM no swallow. Above average skill. No talk about price or condom at all. Nice. Still, afterwards felt pricy. The base massage price was 1400. She told me 2000 extra for the BJ (after the deed). OK fine, paid her and she left. No tip because it felt a little steep. But admittedly I didn't ask beforehand so that's on me. I would have preferred some erotic element and teasing during the massage but she sort of compartmentalized the massage and "special" afterwards.

So the clock is ticking. Only 2 more days. Definitely will try another MP or 2. I think maybe I should try TF at least one more time. There's a Thermae girl I am kicking myself for not talking to. She had a GND vibe and gave me a smile for a distance. I was too shy that night. I will see if I can find her. There's a very attractive, light skinned Kenyan SW I keep seeing too. One of the hardest things here is opportunity cost. There are a finite number shots and endless opportunities.

[Run Mann]

Sunday night after arriving in Bangkok from a long haul flight I went out along Sukhumvit from Nana end eastwards looking for a girl. I vaguely remember talking to someone and I have this barely a memory in my head of thinking 'why am I not taking her to my hotel? But this could be a false memory. Anyway next thing I remember coming too outside sat down somewhere about 4 am. I don't even remember where. It took me about 2 hours to get back to my hotel at 6 am though I don't think I walked that far. But I did sit drinking a cold drink from an all night shop for about an hour after I came to. Anyway what is strange and good is I had still had my phone, both my cards (nothing debited) but about 4000 baht missing from my wallet though about 200 were left in it. I can make little sense of the whole. I am just counting my blessings. Any thoughts?

Sounds like you were drugged and robbed.

[GreenBud]

Planning 3 nights stay in Nana. Looking for hotel with daily charges upto 50 USD.

I've stayed at Majestic Suites many times. It's ok. Good staff. Just around the corner from Nana.

https://www.majesticsuites.com/

[PgReal]

I like that move. Will give it a try.

Well tonight hasn't been great. Trying to simmer down so I am drinking a sprite at Mickey Dee's and writing.

Connected with a Vietnamese SW where they seem to congregate (across from the gross 7-11). She was cutish, big tits, probably early 30's. She didn't blow me away though. We agreed to go to the ST hotel next to 7-11. She quoted 2000 and I said 1500. She started to fuss and I just started to pull back and away. So she agrees.

All is well in room until she starts trying to renegotiate. Eye rollll. At least I refused to pay ahead of time (as preached here). Then she begins BJ with a literal death grip. Rather unpleasant. I explained it didn't feel good. Please just mouth. Well she was very insistent that it had to be her way and carried on. After going back and forth about it for a bit, I decided to abort. Told her I'd give her 500 but I'm leaving. She just said "fine. ".

It was pretty heated for a few moments. My vibe is not good. I will walk for a while. Almost agreed with another SW but just before getting in tuk tuk I tried to confirm BBBJ. She seemed almost horrified LOL. I aborted that too. Not really feeling her. It may not be the girls. Maybe I am just tired.

Back to the hunt.

If you check back on previous posts you'll see the reviews of those VIET girls tend to be largely negative not only for the sort of experiences you had.