American Politics

[MarquisdeSade1]

On the issue of due process and likely everything else pertinent to the current destruction of America by Trump and his MAGA slaves, the USA Constitution refers to "persons" in the country, not "citizens" in the country.

Oh, and this is why Joe Biden did not close the borders to perfectly USA Constirutionally-protected "persons" crossing the border during his historically successful economic recovery from yet another horrific Repub economic disaster. See report below.

BTW, the NYT also published extensive verified reports on this subject, how and why Biden's brilliant use of immigration contributed mightily to the reason America recovered faster and stronger from Trump's Pandemic than any other country, but our resident NYT subscriber who loves quoting entire articles from that and other media has mysteriously never bothered to post those particular subscriber-restricted reports. Probably just a MAGA oversight. LOL:

How immigrants are helping keep job growth hot while inflation cools.
June 17, 2024

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/17/immi...ndroidappshare

BTW, the reason the market rose modestly over the past 9 sessions or so is because it has merely been trading within the Sell-Off and Correction level Trump's disastrous trade wars and tariffs blather drove it down into "unlike anything anyone has ever seen" in the first 100 days of a presidential term other than under one other "American nightmare" Repub president. I'll leave the research for which one that was to you.

The market would have fallen much lower by now under Trump's Classic Repub Policies and Stewardship but for the fact that the Envy of the World Economy created by Biden-Harris and handed to Trump on a silver platter was too damn good to be destroyed so quickly and easily by an incoming Repub this time around.

But that Repub will sure as hell keep trying!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUWTL1WRq7c

[SubCmdr]

Regardless, underestimating the Chinese is something I would strongly advise against. They have shown time and time again the ability to reinvent and to out do the ROW on whatever they set their minds too. Musk literally laughed at them 10 years ago when someone suggested BYD was a threat and yet now he runs to his temp bro Trump pleading for tariffs saying that Tesla would be destroyed if BYD were allowed in.

Actually a point of agreement. Several of my fellow Americans speak of China without knowledge or facts of the situation. I have to admit to ignorance until I spend extensive time on this side of the world. China exports products to the entire world. I have seen BYD vehicles up close and in person as I have been picked up in them when I have had the occasion to use the Bolt ride service. They roll fire equipment off the line faster and for much lower cost than companies in the United States of America. USA Fire Departments cannot buy Chinese Equipment by law. China exports them to the rest of the world. They have a new commercial airliner that will be available for customers on this side of the world.

Lastly, I have taken up motorcycling late in like. Some people like to point to my age as a problem. I consider my an age a badge of honor and say to younger people better hope you live at least as long as I have. Anyway I digress. Chinese motorcycle are hitting the market with high quality, more tech, more power, lest cost. Way less cost than other manufacturers. The USA is a big market. But for China it is not the only market out there.

As for the predicted decline in the USA, it is already happening. But like anything else in life a turn around is possible. Don't know if I will live long enough to see who wins that bet. But is does not matter. I am excising my Constitutional rights and pursuing my happiness.

I give credit where credit is due. I have no need to engage in ad hominem attacks. I got facts on my side.

[SubCmdr]

You don't need to thank me, and you certainly don't need to squeal like a piggy, boy.

Impossible to have a conversation with someone only interested in engaging in ad hominem attacks.

As for Mahmud Khalil, he was and is a US permanent resident, not a guest.

Perment Resident

Another important limitation on lawful permanent residents is that they are subject to the grounds of deportability. If you commit certain crimes or security violations, or even fail to advise USCIS of your changes of address, you can be placed in removal proceedings and deported from the United States

Not a citizen. Got sideways with the law. Currently going through the DUE PROCESS allowed for him to fight the deportation process.

Over simplification and failure to read and understand the law of the land (in this case the Dis-United States of America) causes lack of understanding of the legal processes that occur in that land.

"Don't wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty and the pig enjoys it", urged George Bernard Shaw. On this occasion I'll opt to disregard his wise words. Try reading it slowly.

It does not matter how slowly I read something. If POTUS does not uphold his OATH there is recourse available as laid out in the the Constitution of the United States of America.

I don't need to read that document. Because I as a child I received instruction on it. I carried it around while I was under oath. When I need to refer to it I pull up quotes from it on the internet because I know exactly what it says and the provisions therein.

Impeachment

The United States Constitution provides that the House of Representatives "shall have the sole Power of Impeachment" (Article I, section 2) and "the Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments but no person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two-thirds of the Members present" (Article I, section 3). The president, vice president, and all civil officers of the United States are subject to impeachment.

https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-...mpeachment.htm

If you are a guest and you get sideways with the law you are going to get deported. If you are arguing the fine point of Constitutional Law with a citizen of the Dis-United States of America you are going to have to back up your statements with quotes from the Constitution. Over simplification is your problem HotDog666. Start with the what the Constitution says then the law.

You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts

Touched a soft spot there, hey Stephen? Four posts in quick succession, one on another thread with your characteristic inanity more relatable to a 16 year old than a 60+ year old- oh and if you want to know why you're an imbecile, ask on the right thread otherwise you err. Come across as an imbecile.

[MarquisdeSade1]

To add to this- yes, the debt fuelled real estate build is one of the dumbest things the CCP has presided over and it's destroyed trillions of $ in this. It's had and will continue to have a significant drag on their economic performance. However, I don't see their following the Japanese into a deflationary spiral for two reasons: firstly, they have an immense amount of dry powder being the world's biggest debtor and the world's biggest saver. In fact this is their biggest weakness in that they just save way too much and consume too little, but it's also their biggest strength with regards to America being the world's biggest creditor. Who would you rather be given the choice? The second reason is admittedly less objective but still valid: it's their culture. They unlike the Japanese who have succumbed to a westernesque complacency, have still a chip on their shoulder, something to prove, a hunger and a drive and passion that the Japanese abandoned a long time ago. They are still suffering from the humiliation of the opium wars and a burning desire to wash off that humiliation through growth. They do this through both noble and ignoble means in my experience. The latter is how they waste food to indicate their wealth (the trauma of starvation from the 60's still lives in the national psyche) and this is something I've been very unimpressed by.

Regardless, underestimating the Chinese is something I would strongly advise against. They have shown time and time again the ability to reinvent and to out do the ROW on whatever they set their minds too. Musk literally laughed at them 10 years ago when someone suggested BYD was a threat and yet now he runs to his temp bro Trump pleading for tariffs saying that Tesla would be destroyed if BYD were allowed in. Napoleon warned " don't wake the sleeping dragon for when it wakes it will shake the world". Well the dragon is wide awake and the onus is on America now to determine how it deals with this, we all will bear the consequences of your strategy.

Maybe even you aren't that STOOPID.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goEU7C1xmis

[HotDog666]

The problem with your idea of who the constitution is for, Elvis, is that while it's easy to disregard its breach when it's in your favour it's not so great when the tables turn. The constitution isn't "for" anyone in general. It's literally an articulation of the fundamental principles governing a state.

Actually, I agree, China has stolen a lot of ideas and IP. So what? As if the west hasn't a history of exploitation of the world to advance. America (by your own admission) got it's break on slavery, and the UK and Western Europe expropriated unimaginable wealth from their colonies. My view is it is what it is, we all need to get off our own high horses. As for subsidies, for sure China has done these once again, so what? As if the west hasn't. You really think Boeing hasn't been vastly subsidised? Tesla? Airbus? It is what it is. None of this really negates the point I've made about China rivalling American supremacy.

With reference to the American Navy, there's zero % chance of America successfully compelling the Middle East or other oil producers from importing oil into China, upon which reliance is diminishing anyhow as they are going renewable at a breakneck speed. The only relevance of the American military is on Taiwan. Military strategists admit themselves that within 5-7 years they will no longer have the upper hand here. I do not approve of China's Taiwanese stance- I'm just laying the facts out.

To add to this- yes, the debt fuelled real estate build is one of the dumbest things the CCP has presided over and it's destroyed trillions of $ in this. It's had and will continue to have a significant drag on their economic performance. However, I don't see their following the Japanese into a deflationary spiral for two reasons: firstly, they have an immense amount of dry powder being the world's biggest debtor and the world's biggest saver. In fact this is their biggest weakness in that they just save way too much and consume too little, but it's also their biggest strength with regards to America being the world's biggest creditor. Who would you rather be given the choice? The second reason is admittedly less objective but still valid: it's their culture. They unlike the Japanese who have succumbed to a westernesque complacency, have still a chip on their shoulder, something to prove, a hunger and a drive and passion that the Japanese abandoned a long time ago. They are still suffering from the humiliation of the opium wars and a burning desire to wash off that humiliation through growth. They do this through both noble and ignoble means in my experience. The latter is how they waste food to indicate their wealth (the trauma of starvation from the 60's still lives in the national psyche) and this is something I've been very unimpressed by.

Regardless, underestimating the Chinese is something I would strongly advise against. They have shown time and time again the ability to reinvent and to out do the ROW on whatever they set their minds too. Musk literally laughed at them 10 years ago when someone suggested BYD was a threat and yet now he runs to his temp bro Trump pleading for tariffs saying that Tesla would be destroyed if BYD were allowed in. Napoleon warned " don't wake the sleeping dragon for when it wakes it will shake the world". Well the dragon is wide awake and the onus is on America now to determine how it deals with this, we all will bear the consequences of your strategy.

[EihTooms]

Oh, those poor MAGA manufacturers and farmers who are the hardest hit today while their American Working Men and Women Consumer customers will most definitely be hit even harder in the next few weeks and beyond. Well, as long as Trump or any other Trumpian Repub is in the White House, that is.

Trump tariffs slump widens to 'nearly all USA Exports,' supply chain data says.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/05/06/trum...ndroidappshare

An exports slide that began in early 2025 has reached most ports across the U.S. and nearly all export market products as the trade impact of President Trumps tariffs worsens, with agriculture the hardest hit.

As businesses cancel orders from China, U.S. imports continue to plummet, with a 43% week-over-week drop in containers through April 28.

We havent seen anything like this since the disruptions of summer 2020, said Kyle Henderson, CEO of trade tracker Vizion.
..........
What began as a rapid drop in U.S. imports as shippers cut orders from manufacturing partners around the world has now extended into a nationwide export slump, with the U.S. agricultural sector and top farm products including soybeans, corn, and beef taking the hardest hit.

Dispite what the MAGAs' favorite and most beloved America-hating con man tries to con you into thinking, this isn't just about dolls and pencils, folks.

[HotDog666]

Nope, sorry, the US Constitution is for Americans not people who come to our country illegally and commit crimes, and when we were founded as a nation, we had slaves and only land owners could vote. Before an income tax and women could vote, the USA was the #1 economy in the world.

Everyone knows that the reason Biden opened up the border was to pay immigrants money so they could vote Democrat. That is not saving our country. Our forefathers knew that when citizens could vote themselves money as opposed to work for it, we were doomed.

If the world were able to sue China for damages from Covid, they would be poorer than when they joined the WTO. China is no miracle. They had the largest population and enticed businesses to locate there so they could sell to that market however American businesses had to partner with China. China steals their secrets and goes out on their own and produces things at a much lower cost hurting the original Western businesses. People were enticed by lower prices, and our supply chains were stupidly moved there. Slave wages and theft do not impress me.

China does not care about profits. The CCCP wants power. The reason that China is building so many empty cities is to keep people employed, and China is going into tremendous debt to do so. Demographically speaking, the one child policy will spell doom as their population is already older than America's. China is going the way of the last Asian economic miracle country which was Japan. Their debt will strangle them.

Not even close. China is hugely dependent on Middle East oil and does not have the navy to keep it flowing. That is why the USA is getting out of the world's policeman / super power role. We are no longer dependent on foreign oil. Foreign trade is more of a luxury than a necessity for the USA now. Everyone wants to sell in the USA market and with that comes power that Trump is using.

What is happening now is that Trump wants to bring production back to the USA. A lot of the manufacturing that will be being brought back to the USA will be with automation. The tariffs are put in place to negotiate better deals for the USA and to protect these newly formed manufacturers. You cannot have China and Vietnam dumping goods in at below cost to destroy these nascent industries. And we were bringing back supply chains even before Trump was in office. He is just accelerating the process.

Once we bring much of our production back to the USA, we will produce better goods than anywhere else.

Thing about the Chinese economic miracle is the people touting that do not live in China. It does not take anyone long to figure out China is hell once they are there. The civilized places are crowded as fuck. Twenty miles out of the city, and you are back in the Middle Ages. And the people who return from China are often sick from the food, air, and water.

Once the USA moves away from rewarding the people who do not produce anything like lawyers and hedge fund managers and starts to reward people who provide actual goods and services to the public, we will be fine, and that will happen.

By the way, the reason the market has been up the last 10 sessions or so is not just that Trump is striking deals, it is that the tariffs are not nearly as inflationary as the media is reporting, and the tariffs are needed to protect those investing in that new manufacturing.

The problem with your idea of who the constitution is for, Elvis, is that while it's easy to disregard its breach when it's in your favour it's not so great when the tables turn. The constitution isn't "for" anyone in general. It's literally an articulation of the fundamental principles governing a state.

Actually, I agree, China has stolen a lot of ideas and IP. So what? As if the west hasn't a history of exploitation of the world to advance. America (by your own admission) got it's break on slavery, and the UK and Western Europe expropriated unimaginable wealth from their colonies. My view is it is what it is, we all need to get off our own high horses. As for subsidies, for sure China has done these once again, so what? As if the west hasn't. You really think Boeing hasn't been vastly subsidised? Tesla? Airbus? It is what it is. None of this really negates the point I've made about China rivalling American supremacy.

With reference to the American Navy, there's zero % chance of America successfully compelling the Middle East or other oil producers from importing oil into China, upon which reliance is diminishing anyhow as they are going renewable at a breakneck speed. The only relevance of the American military is on Taiwan. Military strategists admit themselves that within 5-7 years they will no longer have the upper hand here. I do not approve of China's Taiwanese stance- I'm just laying the facts out.

On tariffs, there is again a zero % chance of America "bringing home production". Firstly, it's not something you can just flip a switch on. A lot of the production capabilities require great skill and expertise, which America simply lacks. Secondly, these kinds of facilities take decades to build and most importantly, even if you could bring back production (you can't and won't) the cost would be massively prohibitive. Your Iphone would double in price. That's why they're shifting to India. It's not going to happen.

The tariffs haven't affected inflation yet because they haven't kicked in. Let's touch base at Christmas. But we know they won't even then because Trump will cave in to China. He's caved in so much already they should call him the Caveman.

Look, the bottom line is on one side you have a multiple bankrupt who wrote "the Art of the Deal", yet displays a total lack of understanding of how to do a deal, having alienated friends and empowered enemies. On the other side you have a 5000 year civilisation which wrote "the Art of War". I know who my money is on.

[HotDog666]

Look up why President Nixon resigned.

The OP (who is a guest) needs to start by reading the Constitution of the United States of America. Babies learn this stuff in school. Grow men should already know it.

Remedial education is needed:

https://youtu.be/pKSGyiT-o3o?si=tM6qCtqr5ZiW2-U5

https://youtu.be/SZ8psP4S6BQ?si=3nYqZ_4ibdZERHM9

https://youtu.be/pKSGyiT-o3o?si=yuhid-ZVoLzBIcFM

You are welcome!

I'm going to keep things really, really simple for you as I do sympathise with your cerebral challenges:

YOU: POTUS does not have to support the constitution.

ME: POTUS has sworn an oath to protect the constitution.

One of these statements is true. The other is necessarily false.

That's all there is to the matter. You don't need to thank me, and you certainly don't need to squeal like a piggy, boy.

[EihTooms]

Nope, sorry, the US Constitution is for Americans not people who come to our country illegally and commit crimes, and when we were founded as a nation, we had slaves and only land owners could vote. Before an income tax and women could vote, the USA was the #1 economy in the world.

Everyone knows that the reason Biden opened up the border was to pay immigrants money so they could vote Democrat. That is not saving our country. Our forefathers knew that when citizens could vote themselves money as opposed to work for it, we were doomed.

If the world were able to sue China for damages from Covid, they would be poorer than when they joined the WTO. China is no miracle. They had the largest population and enticed businesses to locate there so they could sell to that market however American businesses had to partner with China. China steals their secrets and goes out on their own and produces things at a much lower cost hurting the original Western businesses. People were enticed by lower prices, and our supply chains were stupidly moved there. Slave wages and theft do not impress me.

China does not care about profits. The CCCP wants power. The reason that China is building so many empty cities is to keep people employed, and China is going into tremendous debt to do so. Demographically speaking, the one child policy will spell doom as their population is already older than America's. China is going the way of the last Asian economic miracle country which was Japan. Their debt will strangle them.

Not even close. China is hugely dependent on Middle East oil and does not have the navy to keep it flowing. That is why the USA is getting out of the world's policeman / super power role. We are no longer dependent on foreign oil. Foreign trade is more of a luxury than a necessity for the USA now. Everyone wants to sell in the USA market and with that comes power that Trump is using.

What is happening now is that Trump wants to bring production back to the USA. A lot of the manufacturing that will be being brought back to the USA will be with automation. The tariffs are put in place to negotiate better deals for the USA and to protect these newly formed manufacturers. You cannot have China and Vietnam dumping goods in at below cost to destroy these nascent industries. And we were bringing back supply chains even before Trump was in office. He is just accelerating the process.

Once we bring much of our production back to the USA, we will produce better goods than anywhere else.

Thing about the Chinese economic miracle is the people touting that do not live in China. It does not take anyone long to figure out China is hell once they are there. The civilized places are crowded as fuck. Twenty miles out of the city, and you are back in the Middle Ages. And the people who return from China are often sick from the food, air, and water.

Once the USA moves away from rewarding the people who do not produce anything like lawyers and hedge fund managers and starts to reward people who provide actual goods and services to the public, we will be fine, and that will happen.

By the way, the reason the market has been up the last 10 sessions or so is not just that Trump is striking deals, it is that the tariffs are not nearly as inflationary as the media is reporting, and the tariffs are needed to protect those investing in that new manufacturing.

On the issue of due process and likely everything else pertinent to the current destruction of America by Trump and his MAGA slaves, the USA Constitution refers to "persons" in the country, not "citizens" in the country.

Oh, and this is why Joe Biden did not close the borders to perfectly USA Constirutionally-protected "persons" crossing the border during his historically successful economic recovery from yet another horrific Repub economic disaster. See report below.

BTW, the NYT also published extensive verified reports on this subject, how and why Biden's brilliant use of immigration contributed mightily to the reason America recovered faster and stronger from Trump's Pandemic than any other country, but our resident NYT subscriber who loves quoting entire articles from that and other media has mysteriously never bothered to post those particular subscriber-restricted reports. Probably just a MAGA oversight. LOL:

How immigrants are helping keep job growth hot while inflation cools.
June 17, 2024

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/17/immi...ndroidappshare

Immigration has helped the U.S. job market sustain a fiery run in recent months without reigniting inflation, economists and analysts say.

The U.S. economy added a whopping 272,000 jobs in May, but the consumer price index was unchanged.

This dynamic a hot job market and cooling inflation is in part the result of increased inflows of immigrants.

Recent spikes in immigration at the southern border and elsewhere in the U.S. have helped keep the labor pool full even as job gains kept apace.

BTW, the reason the market rose modestly over the past 9 sessions or so is because it has merely been trading within the Sell-Off and Correction level Trump's disastrous trade wars and tariffs blather drove it down into "unlike anything anyone has ever seen" in the first 100 days of a presidential term other than under one other "American nightmare" Repub president. I'll leave the research for which one that was to you.

The market would have fallen much lower by now under Trump's Classic Repub Policies and Stewardship but for the fact that the Envy of the World Economy created by Biden-Harris and handed to Trump on a silver platter was too damn good to be destroyed so quickly and easily by an incoming Repub this time around.

But that Repub will sure as hell keep trying!

[EihTooms]

The conning of dumb Repub hillbillies and thereby fleecing of America has been a longtime effort by elites, billionaires, Globalists and the like:

How billionaires created the DEI panic.
See the video too.
5/5/2025

https://www.mediamatters.org/critica...ated-dei-panic

Wokeism

Reinventing the PC panic with cancel culture worked so well, why not do it again? A few months later, a new moral panic emerged on the right around wokeism.

The formula was exactly the same: Minorities have taken control, theyre silencing conservatives, you cant tell the truth anymore. And just like with political correctness and cancel culture, the wokeism panic was fueled by minor anecdotes amplified by right-wing media. A Fox News host announced that Lego is going woke, for instance, after the company unveiled a range of characters with disabilities.

(And so much more. See article)

[SubCmdr]

After that objective is achieved then you need to learn how to critically think. Something I see little of in the posts from our contingent of Republican Morons.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...y-self-deport/

No one is advocating for the illegal immigration.

GIVE DUE PROCESS and FOLLOW THE LAW.

I happen to think we need immigration reform.

[SubCmdr]

Individuals posting up here seem to have a American centric world view. There are a few notable exceptions: Spidy and Eih Tooms. Those are individuals who are not taking information they receive from main stream media, swallowing it and then regurgitating us like a cow chewing it's cud.

The Republican Morons and the guests that are supporting them with their racist attitudes need to travel a bit more and get some world perspective. It is very interesting looking at the West from a half a world away through a completely different lens. I don't recognize my country of origin anymore. We have people up in posting racist statements, people supporting police brutality based on race and people who claim to love America but fly to South American to fuck Latinas. Hell even POTUS does not fuck American (unless it is a porn start).

The OP wants to go back to the days of slavery. Look at this:

Nope, sorry, the US Constitution is for Americans not people who come to our country illegally and commit crimes, and when we were founded as a nation, we had slaves and only land owners could vote.

Example supporting the OPs position

While discussing the bill, State Sen. La Keisha Jackson said the original U.S. Constitution language doesnt directly address race and ethnicity when defining people. But, the Three-Fifths Compromise clause in the U.S. Constitution counted enslaved people as three-fifths of a person for purposes of representation and taxation, Jackson, D-Indianapolis, said.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2025/...-a-great-move/

I wonder if the Republican Morons dream of a return to those glory days when the (insert color of your choice here) man was on top!

After all they had ALL the bitches! They didn't need to pay prostitutes. They had their (insert color of your choice here) girls in the house and their (insert color of your choice here) girls in the fields. SHIT! I lived like that I would want to go back to those days also. Being a MOTHER FUCKNG king on your plantation. Judge, Jury and Executioner all wrapped up in one. None of this messy democracy to deal with.

Before an income tax and women could vote, the USA was the #1 economy in the world.

America what a MOTHER FUCKING country!

[MarquisdeSade1]

https://m-economictimes-com.cdn.ampp...331AQGsAEggAID#amp_tf=From%20%251%24's&aoh=17418201357735&csi=0&referrer=https%3 A%2 F%2 F www.google.com&ampshare=https%3 A%2 F%2 Fm. economictimes.com%2 Fnews%2 Finternational%2 Fus%2 Fdoge-cancels-over-200000-credit-cards-who-is-affected-and-what-it-means%2 Farticleshow%2 F118900635. Cms.

Take away their free money CCs and ghost payrolling gigs aka "remote WFH" and things are looking up.

Next up privitize the joke called the USPS.

"Now we just to look at all those on entitlement programs and the old folks who use their handouts to buy hookers".

But hey you can just look at this as USAID to single 3rd world mothers, in The PI, Siam, Brasil, Colombia, The FKKs for Romania et al.

But if I was Our Lord and Savior I would say if you leave the USA and don't return for over 2 yrs, you lose your right to vote and SS unless US Military etc.

But who knows maybe that's a bad idea? Just think then we would be stuck with the likes of SUB / Bottom be.

I would also be ok if they paid them premium benefits to never return also LOLOLOLOLOLOL.

Opposite of a Golden Visa a Golden Exit package / parachute, they would give up their passport / citizenship and right to ever return / vote!

And if they refuse the offer send them to CECOT where he belongs.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...y-self-deport/

[MarquisdeSade1]

Health (29.1%)
Social Security (16.2%)
National Defense (16%)
National Debt Interest (12.2%)
Income Security (7.7%)
Veterans Benefits (3.8%)
Education (2.6%)
Transportation (1.5%)
Miscellaneous (10.9%) (ie. Agriculture, Justice, General government, Natural resources and environment, International affairs, Community and regional development ...etc)

So where's the parasitic spending?

https://www.cbpp.org/research/food-a...e-program-snap

[Sirioja]

Big shame for USA under crazy Trump and Israel under criminal Netanyahou about Gaza.