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05-16-25 13:32 #18194Senior Member

Posts: 3944More weak ass Anti American Pro CCP propaganda
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...g-drug-prices/
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Trump's Drug Price Order Strikes at the Heart of Foreign Free-Riding.
For decades, American consumers have been paying the world's highest drug prices—not because we use more medicine, or demand higher quality, but because our government chose not to negotiate.
May 14, 2025.
Trump's MFN Drug Price Plan and the Trade War in Pharma Lab Coats.
For decades, American consumers have been paying the world's highest drug prices—not because we use more medicine, or demand higher quality, but because our government chose not to negotiate. While other nations imposed hard price caps or demanded steep discounts from pharmaceutical companies, the United States allowed drugmakers to charge whatever the market would bear.
Or so we were told.
In reality, there is no true "free market" in pharmaceuticals. What we call a market-based system is in fact a heavily regulated, government-protected pricing regime built atop patents, FDA exclusivity, and mandatory insurance coverage. It is a system in which competition is deliberately suppressed—first by intellectual property law, then by regulatory lock-in, and finally by federal restrictions that prohibit the country's largest buyer, Medicare, from bargaining directly. This is not free enterprise. This is cartelized pricing with government enforcement.
The Forgotten Tariff: Prescription Drugs.
This divergence took shape in the second half of the 20th century. As Europe and Canada built government-run or heavily regulated health systems, they created agencies to demand steep discounts or block new drugs unless prices aligned with cost-effectiveness thresholds. Meanwhile, the USA Took a more fragmented, so-called market-driven path.
But how market-driven can a system be when the federal government—through Medicare, Medicaid, and the Veterans Affairs Department—is the largest purchaser of prescription drugs? Medicare, the nation's largest health insurer, was legally barred from negotiating prices when the Part the benefit was created in 2003. It accounts for around 30 percent of all drug purchases in the USA Medicaid's "best price" rule discouraged deeper private market discounts. And while the USA Fostered a robust generics industry, brand-name drugs—especially new, high-cost therapies—remained exempt from pricing discipline.
The consequences are staggering. Americans routinely pay two to four times more for the same brand-name drug than patients in Germany, Canada, or Australia. In many cases, the exact same pill made in the same factory costs a fraction abroad of what it does at the USA Pharmacy counter. These are not generics. These are identical products, sold cheaper everywhere else.
Why? Because every other developed country uses some form of centralized price negotiation or regulation. The USA Stands virtually alone in letting manufacturers name their price—then requires insurance plans, public and private alike, to cover those products. That is not a market. That is a racket.
Meanwhile, American businesses have shouldered the cost. Rising prescription drug prices inflate the price of employer-sponsored health insurance, raising the cost of labor in the USA Relative to competitors abroad. Health coverage here is not a government service but an employer obligation. That means every artificially high drug price gets baked into the cost of American labor—and with it, the cost of American goods and services.
By contrast, foreign firms benefit from single-payer systems that negotiate aggressively. Their workers are covered by national health plans; their products aren't priced with an implicit healthcare surcharge. The result is a quiet but powerful tilt in global competitiveness: a de facto tax on USA Employment and production.
Global Imbalance by Design.
For years, pharmaceutical executives and their lobbyists defended this imbalance by claiming that high USA Prices were necessary to fund innovation. Foreign governments, they argued, were "free-riding" on American investment. That's not wrong, but the conclusion is backwards.
If other countries are underpaying, then the solution is not to maintain our overpayment. It is to stop enabling the free ride.
This is not just a healthcare issue—it's the pharmaceutical equivalent of NATO burden-sharing. For decades, the USA Has shouldered the cost of defending Europe while European nations underfunded their own militaries. Now, in medicine as in defense, America is demanding that wealthy allies pay their fair share.
President Trump's Most-Favored-Nation (MFN) Executive Order, signed earlier this month, flips the system. It pegs the prices paid by Medicare and Medicaid to the lowest amount paid by comparable foreign countries. In effect, America will no longer subsidize the rest of the world's medicine cabinets. If a German patient gets a drug for $300, the American taxpayer will not pay $1,200.
President Donald Trump signs an executive order on Delivering Most-Favored-Nation Prescription Drug Pricing to American Patient at a press conference with Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. , on May 12,2025, in the White House. (Official White House Photo by Joyce and. Boghosian via Flickr).
This is not just about domestic affordability. It's about global competition. For decades, American businesses have shouldered the cost of overpriced prescription drugs through rising insurance premiums and benefit costs. Lowering drug prices isn't just a healthcare issue—it's industrial policy.
This policy is also consistent with Trump's broader trade philosophy. Just as tariffs on foreign steel aimed to correct market distortions created by foreign subsidies, MFN pricing corrects the distortion created by foreign price controls. This is not price fixing—it's reciprocal pricing. And like tariffs, it is a tool to reassert American sovereignty and strategic interest.
The Innovation Objection.
Critics warn that MFN pricing will reduce drug company revenue and thus slow innovation. It may—modestly. The Congressional Budget Office estimates a 5 to 10 percent decline in new drug development over the next two decades. That's real. But so is the $500 billion in projected savings for American patients and taxpayers.
More importantly, we should ask: What kind of innovation are we funding with those inflated prices? A growing share of pharmaceutical R&D goes toward "me-too" drugs, patent extensions, and market-protection strategies. The idea that every dollar taken from drugmakers is a dollar lost to scientific progress is not just inaccurate—it's propaganda.
A smarter pricing system may actually sharpen incentives by rewarding genuine breakthroughs while trimming waste. And let's not forget that public research agencies like the NIH already fund much of the foundational science behind new therapies. The private sector thrives on those publicly created discoveries.
It's Time for the Rebalancing to Begin.
In truth, the MFN order is just a starting point. Its success will depend on implementation, legal resilience, and follow-through in negotiations. But the principle it asserts is clear and long overdue: Americans should not be forced to overpay for medicine so that foreign governments can underpay.
What President Trump has done is extend the logic of America First into a new economic theater: the global drug market. For the first time in modern history, a USA President has told the pharmaceutical industry and its international customers that the days of one-way pricing are over. That is not just health reform—it is trade reform. It is industrial policy. And it is a long-overdue assertion of national interest in a sector that has for too long been shielded from scrutiny.
As the administration moves forward, industry backlash is inevitable. So are threats of reduced investment and foreign noncompliance. But as with tariffs, those are not reasons to back down. They are signs the policy is working.
In a global economy rigged by price disparities and state-protected sectors, fairness begins with leverage. The MFN rule is a tool of leverage. And for once, that leverage is being used on behalf of the American patient, worker, and employer—not against them.
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05-16-25 13:19 #18193Senior Member

Posts: 3944Give the Anti American Pro CCP propaganda a fucking break
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/15/b...ick-mcgee.html
Originally Posted by EihTooms
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05-16-25 13:15 #18192Senior Member

Posts: 3944WOWWWW now you've completely gone off the deep end
I thank the Gods every minute of every fucking day for Donald J Trump.
Originally Posted by Goatscrot
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https://www.newsmax.com/us/ice-venez...15/id/1211170/
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=10156046834215725
Infringing on the rights of citizens? WTF he isn't a citizen.
Where the fuck were you when the Scumbag Democrats were destroying the rights of its citizens with DEI and pouring in tens of millions of psychotic 3rd world savages to rape and murder its citizens.
And destroying free and fair elections and destroying the rule of law with 93 bogus kangaroo court felony charges, 2 fake impeachments etc etc etc.
"Vengeance is mine sayeth the lord", Donald J Trump (Our Lord and Savior) January 20,2025 aka the Savior of Western Civilization.
Or as I like to say "live by the sword die by the sword" aka paybacks are a motherfucker!
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05-16-25 05:44 #18191Senior Member

Posts: 3920And here's a dude who's lived in the United States since 1980, a green card holder, who teaches at the Texas School for the blind.
Originally Posted by Spidy
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These right wing militia types were always saying they wanted to stay well-armed in case the government overstepped its bounds and started really infringing on the rights of citizens, well, that's happening. Where are they? Oh, they're okay because it's only brown people that are being messed with and people who don't agree with their political slant.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...border-control
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05-16-25 05:42 #18190Senior Member

Posts: 3920And let's not forget that we are now seeing an American Gestapo. Sorry, party who ran on defending free speech is showing exactly the opposite. America under Donald Trump is becoming East Germany. All while ignoring the biggest threat to freedom in america, Christian nationalists.
Originally Posted by Spidy
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https://www.reddit.com/r/washingtond...ulles_from_an/
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05-16-25 03:49 #18189Senior Member

Posts: 1735Will the REAL parasites, please stand up...as even Buffett comes clean!
Hmmmm....would that be the affluent society of the day, prior to 1913 and income tax, paid for with the broken backs of the Black slave labor, the Native Indigenous enslavement camps, the Chinese indentured/railroad slave labor or the migrant/immigrant low-wage slave-like exploitation?
Originally Posted by Elvis 2008
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You nailed it!
Originally Posted by Elvis 2008
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Perhaps you've missed it, since I've just already finish explaining "...who the real parasites are...", to the other MAGA neophyte, who perhaps now gets it, (hint: it's the billionaires and robber baron class).
Originally Posted by Elvis 2008
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But just in case, Elvis 2008, you can't take a hint, on who the REAL parasites are, I'll let one of YOUR GREATEST HEROES (America's and mine), explain it to you once AGAIN, in his own words:
- "The poor aren't the takers...the rich who exploit loopholes are. And I'm one of them!" --Warren Buffett
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05-16-25 03:45 #18188Senior Member

Posts: 1735A well articulated society...
Agreed!
Originally Posted by Goatscrot
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And just as equally, well stated and succinct, but perfectly articulated. Tis, definitely refreshing, to see when others, understand and acknowledge, what a just, fair and equitably ran society, looks like.
- "Id rather be called a socialist than watch this country turn into an oligarchy where the rich live off the work of everyone else." --Warren Buffett, 2015, Charlie Rose interview
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05-16-25 03:23 #18187Senior Member

Posts: 3944Well I usually agree with much of what you say in your posts
But not so much here, firstly socialized medicine is a horrible concept in theory and in practice, just ask anyone that has health problems in a country with it, like ie, Canada the UK or Germany.
Originally Posted by Goatscrot
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"I don't know how anyone can spend significant time overseas and still think America is the greatest".
This line is really really fucking laughable, I didn't know if the USA was the best country or not until I traveled all over the world, but now, I absolutely know it is.
There isn't a country that can even come close to competing with the USA in quality of life.
Not in Asia, not in Europe, not in Latin America.
They all completely suck, some more so than others, some are ok to visit.
But as far as living there versus the USA, you need your fucking head examined!!
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05-16-25 02:47 #18186Senior Member

Posts: 803The obvious problem is America is full of a bunch of assholes, like me, who would abuse that system and milk it dry until it would become unsustainable. Other countries that try that shit have GDPs which are half of the USA and they also don't have all the assholes living there like we do. Look at France, Spain, UK, Canada. Its not a paradise like it seems. The exceptions like Norway work because they have a population which is 1/30 of the USA and its much easier to stop corruption and keep the assholes in line. It just wouldn't work on a scale as big as the USA nor do most Americans want to pay those high taxes for those benefits. Many Americans are greedy self centered jerk offs and they don't want those policies. They would rather have higher pay with lower taxes and less benefits for the lower classes. I understand why the jerk offs are greedy too, so many jobs in the USA pay well, but the stress and toxic environment for many of those jobs is so high, the only way you can justify doing it is the high pay. Cops, Teachers, Nurses, City workers, construction, politicians, lawyers, people don't work those high stress jobs to make a difference anymore- they work that shit for the money and that high stress makes them greedy. It is what it is my guy.
Originally Posted by Goatscrot
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All those things you list sure would be nice though, too bad we have a national debt of 30 trillion and can't even fund our current social security system.
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05-16-25 02:20 #18185Senior Member

Posts: 3920How did the US function? Well it was a paradise for the wealthy, and hell on Earth for the poor. There was virtually no middle class. Cities were successful in working conditions were horrific. We need to expand the public sector, not contracted. The United States cannot consider itself a truly developed country without universal health care, paid education including University and tech school, excellent pensions at a reasonable age, four weeks paid vacation, and viable public transportation that makes owning a car optional. I don't know how anyone can spend significant time overseas and still think America is the greatest.
Originally Posted by Elvis2008
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05-16-25 02:17 #18184Senior Member

Posts: 3920Very well stated! Good art creates cognitive tension. And challenges the viewers values not just their aesthetic sense.
Originally Posted by Spidy
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Meanwhile the United States is becoming North Korea.
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05-15-25 22:42 #18183Senior Member

Posts: 1735ART is in the eye of the BEHOLDER, CRITIC, or is it the BIGOT?
(...kkkk!) Our resident ART armchair critic #1, with not much to say, other than the usual, bigotry!
Originally Posted by Elvis 2008
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(...kkkk!) Our resident ART armchair critic #2, with EVEN LESS to say, than the first armchair chair MAGA critic, other than of course, the usual bigotry!
Originally Posted by MarquisdeSade1
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Is it ART according to MAGA?:
Here go again, with our top 2, ISG MAGA culture war neophytes, as this time, they are desperately trying to be art critics? What it been like all of 5 minutes...and you guys, back so soon, with yet another MAGA culture-war puff piece?
No doubt, a puff piece and hack job, they saw on FOXY Muse, from some washed-up has-been journalist/MAGA pundit, who would thinks today's idea of "high art" is a viral meme OR an NFT, depicting your Orange American Fuhrer next to Orangutan, with the caption "Who's prettier?" (...kkkk!)
Renaissance Ideals vs. Modern Representation:
But jokes aside, what you both need to know is that, Price's depiction of his beautiful "everyday Black Woman" sculpture, entitled 'Grounded in the Stars', is nothing new or weird, as artists have often had strange depictions of women, that have played out throughout history, from Michelangelo to Picasso?
Picasso's women often described as "grotesque" and Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel women, such as the Cumaen Sibyl or Night on the Medici tombs, are notably muscular and athletic, with broad shoulders, defined abs, and powerful limbs, are often described as "men with breasts (checkout: "Why Michelangelo's Women Were So Manly?" https://medium.com/counterarts/why-m...y-e65cc309c8b1 )
BTW, Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel women, sounds wonderfully perfect for you MAGA INCEL, He Man Women Haters and armchair ART critics!
But remember those, fat, nude, grotesque, and "men with breast", that have adorned the Sistine Chapel and other places, have weathered their fair share of controversy for decades, despite their bigoted and narrow-minded critics.
- "And controversy he got, despite a subtle degree of aggrandizement; Price's figure stands in a pose that nods to Michelangelo's David" https://news.artnet.com/art-world/th...debate-2642837
So while other typical controversial statues like Robert E. Lee, Christopher Columbus or Theodore Roosevelt, have had their day in the sun and are now taken down, melted or stuffed in a museum somewhere, it can be also said, that the controversial, "everyday Black Woman" sculpture, entitled 'Grounded in the Stars', its day will come, when it too, will have its sunset moment. Till then, keep an open mind!
Just remember:- "FREE YOUR MIND
And the rest will follow
Be colour-blind
Don't be so shallow
FREE YOUR MIND"
"It's 'your nature', said the proverbial frog to the scorpion!
PS: Don't QUIT your day jobs! (...kkkk!)
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05-15-25 22:26 #18182Senior Member

Posts: 3944Sorry Elvis, you're missing the truth here
Thank God we had the TSA bringing civility to air travel. How did we ever get by before then?
Originally Posted by Elvis2008
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Not too well.
Do you remember 9/11? Do you remember what airport security was like pre 9/11, they were a joke that's why OBL was able to pull off 9/11.
I doubt there is a politician in DC wants to be the one to kill the TSA, not even turds like Thomas Massie or Rand Paul.
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05-15-25 22:22 #18181Senior Member

Posts: 3944How do you even type when laughing so hard when writing such silly nonsense
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6MJkSRYc-4
Originally Posted by Spidy
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05-15-25 21:46 #18180Senior Member

Posts: 3944Must be related to ISGs SC lololol itsy bitsy Tootsie roll shall be her new name
https://www.breitbart.com/entertainm...-tootsie-roll/
Originally Posted by Elvis2008
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