Medellin Reports

[MikeBayArea]

I emailed / sent WhatsApp messages to many hotels in the Provenza / Parque Lleras area mid-February to get clear answers as to what their guest policy was.

At that time, Nakua responded that they allowed guests, but charged $200 k COP per person per visit. Even if you booked your room for 2 people, the 1st one was not "free" like it is at Hotel Dix and other locations. $200 k is a lot for an extra guest, so I immediately guessed they were trying to clamp down on "visitas femininas".

I just WhatsApp messaged them again and this is what they responded:

First I asked if visitors were permitted, they said this: si se permiten visitas sin embargo estas no pueden tardar mas de 15 minutos de lo contrario deberas hacer pago de un px adicional el cual tiene costo de 200.000 cop. Basically any visitor is allowed for up to 15 minutes, if they stay longer than that, you must pay $200 k Colombian Pesos.

Then this:

Las personas que tarden ms de 15 minutos ya se tomar como acompaante why no visita, por lo tanto debe de pagar un pax adicional e identificar a la persona que ingresa con pasaporte en caso de extranjeros why cedula de ciudadana nacionales. If they stay longer than 15 minutes, they must be registered as a guest, essentially, and must provide passport info, if foreigners, or license for those Colombians or Venezolanas (I'm guessing because they didn't specifically say *only* Colombian IDs).

Finally, I asked if visitors are allowed to stay the night, they said, yes, of course, but have to registered as guests and you have to pay the $200 k. Por supuesto! Recuerde que la persona que usted registre es la nica persona que puede ingresar a pasar la noche con usted.

That's the latest for Nakua as of this morning.

Personally, I'd go with Hotel Dix or Hotel Torre Poblado, you get a freebie each day, as long as you reserved your room for 2 guests, and each additional is only $100 k COP $24 USD at today's exchange rate.

If you do stay there, let us know how it goes. I really did like the rooms and on my last visit in April, I stopped by to see how the hotel looks and they have added a really nice bar and restaurant on the main floor and moved the concierge desks to the right vs. Right in front. I also did really like the room.

Haven Hotel allowed one guest per day free, any additional was $125 k cop. They were good about the policy.

[HumbleHal]

The Mann Act was with women...

They should have called it "The Woman Act" then.

[Mr Enternational]

200 k is a lot for an extra guest, so I immediately guessed they were trying to clamp down on "visitas femininas".

If they were trying to clamp down then they would not allow it. By charging 200 K, they are just trying to make money off of it.

[Nomars777]

I emailed / sent WhatsApp messages to many hotels in the Provenza / Parque Lleras area mid-February to get clear answers as to what their guest policy was.

At that time, Nakua responded that they allowed guests, but charged $200 k COP per person per visit. Even if you booked your room for 2 people, the 1st one was not "free" like it is at Hotel Dix and other locations. $200 k is a lot for an extra guest, so I immediately guessed they were trying to clamp down on "visitas femininas".

I just WhatsApp messaged them again and this is what they responded:

First I asked if visitors were permitted, they said this: si se permiten visitas sin embargo estas no pueden tardar mas de 15 minutos de lo contrario deberas hacer pago de un páx adicional el cual tiene costo de 200.000 cop. Basically any visitor is allowed for up to 15 minutes, if they stay longer than that, you must pay $200 k Colombian Pesos.

Then this:

Las personas que tarden más de 15 minutos ya se tomará como acompañante why no visita, por lo tanto debe de pagar un pax adicional e identificar a la persona que ingresa con pasaporte en caso de extranjeros why cedula de ciudadanía nacionales. If they stay longer than 15 minutes, they must be registered as a guest, essentially, and must provide passport info, if foreigners, or license for those Colombians or Venezolanas (I'm guessing because they didn't specifically say *only* Colombian IDs).

Finally, I asked if visitors are allowed to stay the night, they said, yes, of course, but have to registered as guests and you have to pay the $200 k. Por supuesto! Recuerde que la persona que usted registre es la única persona que puede ingresar a pasar la noche con usted.

That's the latest for Nakua as of this morning.

Personally, I'd go with Hotel Dix or Hotel Torre Poblado, you get a freebie each day, as long as you reserved your room for 2 guests, and each additional is only $100 k COP $24 USD at today's exchange rate.

If you do stay there, let us know how it goes. I really did like the rooms and on my last visit in April, I stopped by to see how the hotel looks and they have added a really nice bar and restaurant on the main floor and moved the concierge desks to the right vs. Right in front. I also did really like the room.

Haha yeah I can obviously read. I just wasn't sure if that was some of sort generic disclaimer that everyone gets. This place has been recommended by a couple of people on the forum so I wanted to check in to see if this is a new policy, or if I can safely ignore it. I guess I will restart the search for a place then.

[FranciscoD]

You answered you own question with the message from the hotel, so cancel your reservation. According to sources on the Internet, local politicians are trying to change the type of individuals who frequent the area and the authorities are putting pressure on places that provide lodging to stop having "guest friendly" arrangements. Apparently Naka Stay + Work complied with the demand. This phenomenon happens many places. Good luck finding other "guest friendly" lodging in the area.

Haha yeah I can obviously read. I just wasn't sure if that was some of sort generic disclaimer that everyone gets. This place has been recommended by a couple of people on the forum so I wanted to check in to see if this is a new policy, or if I can safely ignore it. I guess I will restart the search for a place then.

[Zeos1]

Words mean something. As Mike said if he is not doing anything illegal. Then you post a law about minors. That has nothing to do with adults.

Right. But to answer the question as to why the authorities may be looking at your stuff going back to the US it would be to look for whatever violations they imagine you might have made. Just for fun they also look at foreigners phones, computers, etc. Coming in to the US legally, looking for who knows what.

[Mr Enternational]

Prior to the laws you quoted, the US had the Mann Act of 1910 that forbid crossing state lines with minors for immoral purposes. Again, don't pick minors, pretty simple.

The Mann Act was with women who are not your wife, not minors. That is the reason are. Kelly is in jail. That is why you have to be careful flying hookers around or getting on airplanes with them, because it violates that law and is considered human trafficking.

[WanderingMan]

If you are a US citizen or permanent resident and you travel outside the country to have sex, you could get in trouble with the law. This is against federal law, specifically 18 USA Code 2423 and the PROTECT Act. 18 USA Code 2423 says that it is illegal to take minors across state lines or to another country for sex or any other sexual activity that is against the law. The PROTECT Act makes it easier for the US government to punish people who commit crimes related to sex tourism. This could mean going to jail for up to 30 years for doing something wrong in another country.

Everyone should know to stay away from minors for sex purposes, in the US or abroad, and in my opinion those who exploit minors deserve the punishment they get when they are caught. Truth be told, some foreign countries would punish people exploiting minors in their countries far more than the US, so those folks should be worried about spending 20 years in a foreign prison (if they survive that long) before then being prosecuted for 30 years in an American prison. Just imagine for a moment spending 20 years in a Dominica, Thai, or Colombian prison. Additionally, no one should have sex with an unwilling partner or force a person to have sex. Those are more common sense principles; I don't need laws to forbid that, my conscious would not allow it.

Prior to the laws you quoted, the US had the Mann Act of 1910 that forbid crossing state lines with minors for immoral purposes. Again, don't pick minors, pretty simple.

To date, no US citizen has been prosecuted in the US for mongering abroad with willing adult chicas of legal age. No one.

[WanderingMan]

Does Hotel Nakua no longer allow girls? I just booked accommodation for an upcoming trip and received the following message from them.

Naka Stay + Work, is fully committed to responsible tourism in Medelland, so in our facilities NO VISITORS OR COMPANIONS OTHER THAN THOSE REGISTERED DURING CHECK IN ARE ALLOWED. We appreciate your understanding and apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

ALL GUESTS MUST REGISTER AT THE TIME OF CHECK IN.

I will have to cancel and look for another place if that is the case, which is a bummer! The room that I booked has an awesome private hot tub on the balcony.

You answered you own question with the message from the hotel, so cancel your reservation. According to sources on the Internet, local politicians are trying to change the type of individuals who frequent the area and the authorities are putting pressure on places that provide lodging to stop having "guest friendly" arrangements. Apparently Naka Stay + Work complied with the demand. This phenomenon happens many places. Good luck finding other "guest friendly" lodging in the area.

[Gabacho]

What are the hours for El Centro and\or Parque Lleras?

I've picked up as late as 2 am at Parque Lleras easily, and I've heard that it's open for business as late as 4 am, what time does it "open"? If I wanted something early morning or a lunch snack, how easy would it be?

El Centro becomes dangerous after 10 pm for Gringos and I'd recommend leaving earlier, but how early would strolling be possible? Morning stroll? Lunch Stroll?

I used to go as early as 10 am to Centro. It gets better by noon with more girls arriving each hour and peaks around 4 pm - 6 pm and by 8 pm it's mostly ugly old hags and druggies and all the shops and restaurants mostly close up by then too.

-Gabacho.

[FranciscoD]

Does Hotel Nakua no longer allow girls? I just booked accommodation for an upcoming trip and received the following message from them.

Nakúa Stay + Work, is fully committed to responsible tourism in Medellíand, so in our facilities NO VISITORS OR COMPANIONS OTHER THAN THOSE REGISTERED DURING CHECK IN ARE ALLOWED. We appreciate your understanding and apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

ALL GUESTS MUST REGISTER AT THE TIME OF CHECK IN.

I will have to cancel and look for another place if that is the case, which is a bummer! The room that I booked has an awesome private hot tub on the balcony.

[Nomars777]

I've seen girls in Lleras as early as 10 AM on a Sunday. Super cute girl in a schoolgirl type outfit. At first I wasn't sure she was selling, but then she gave me the "hand wave" gesture, where they basically are waving at you to come over and talk to them and after a little chat, I realized oh yes, she was available. Sadly, I decided to see what else was available and when I went back, not there anymore.

In terms of "best hours", the spot I sit in front of Lleras Town, you start to see the cars arriving with more and more girls basically after sundown. So like 6 PM and later, with the busiest time being between 10 PM and probably 2 AM when some of the bars and clubs start shutting down. Even still at 3 AM there were a LOT of chicas out and about, so as with all things. It depends.

For el centro / Plaza Botero, there are girls out at 9 AM on a Monday, no worries. Catching people on their way to work. Not a huge selection, but not bad either. I like it for a 2-5 PM stint because I can roll over, sit at a table in the shaded areas, drink a cold beer and scope the selection, maybe make a lap or two around the block behind the church, see what's available. Usually there's something to choose from, but not always. This past trip quality and quantity were down on previous visits. The latest I've been out in Botero is 10 PM and truly, there was nothing much going on at that time. Even the little strip clubs down the street from Hotel Nutibara were the-e-the DEAD. So yeah, maybe stay in Botero no later than 7-8 PM is a good move. By that point Lleras will be starting to get lively and I'd head over there.

Best of luck and ENJOY!

What are the hours for El Centro and\or Parque Lleras?

I've picked up as late as 2 am at Parque Lleras easily, and I've heard that it's open for business as late as 4 am, what time does it "open"? If I wanted something early morning or a lunch snack, how easy would it be?

El Centro becomes dangerous after 10 pm for Gringos and I'd recommend leaving earlier, but how early would strolling be possible? Morning stroll? Lunch Stroll?

[ABomb28]

What are the hours for El Centro and\or Parque Lleras?

I've picked up as late as 2 am at Parque Lleras easily, and I've heard that it's open for business as late as 4 am, what time does it "open"? If I wanted something early morning or a lunch snack, how easy would it be?

El Centro becomes dangerous after 10 pm for Gringos and I'd recommend leaving earlier, but how early would strolling be possible? Morning stroll? Lunch Stroll?

[Mr Enternational]

If you are a US citizen or permanent resident and you travel outside the country to have sex, you could get in trouble with the law. This is against federal law, specifically 18 USA Code 2423 and the PROTECT Act. 18 USA Code 2423 says that it is illegal to take minors across state lines or to another country for sex or any other sexual activity that is against the law. The PROTECT Act makes it easier for the US government to punish people who commit crimes related to sex tourism. This could mean going to jail for up to 30 years for doing something wrong in another country.

Words mean something. As Mike said if he is not doing anything illegal. Then you post a law about minors. That has nothing to do with adults.

[DiscoverFL]

Honestly, thank you, I appreciate your care and consideration. However, I am still not quite following. Prostitution is legal in Medellin. What are we to be so afraid of? Why should I be afraid of someone looking at my phone? Not that this has every happened to me or anyone I know (though I believe you it could), but still, why would I be concerned? I'm not doing anything illegal.

If you are a US citizen or permanent resident and you travel outside the country to have sex, you could get in trouble with the law. This is against federal law, specifically 18 USA Code 2423 and the PROTECT Act. 18 USA Code 2423 says that it is illegal to take minors across state lines or to another country for sex or any other sexual activity that is against the law. The PROTECT Act makes it easier for the US government to punish people who commit crimes related to sex tourism. This could mean going to jail for up to 30 years for doing something wrong in another country.