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[Goferring]

Statistical gathering is rather tough in the Philippines. But attached is a Facebook screenshot of religion numbers which purportedly are from the census of 2020.

Roughly 40% of Zamboanga residents identify as belonging to the Muslim faith. That statistic severely limits the playing field.

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Zamboanga? I eagerly await your reports which will hopefully prove me wrong.

Upon further thought, I understand your logic in going to far-flung areas to find a holiday girlfriend. But the WWW has made the world a smaller place, which has affected attitudes even in the world's isolated hamlets. Your plan was easily doable 15 years ago, but not as much today, for dozens of reasons.

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ISG Members: Either from personal experience or personal beliefs, how much money do you believe is a reasonable minimum daily offer for a holiday girlfriend?

Given all the hysteria, I'm surprised that Zamboanga is only 40/60. While I don't have a lot of experience with Philipina Muslims, experience elsewhere tells me that the location rather than religion and devoutness is the problem. Many Indonesian* girls and even crucifix wearing Catholic School girls (way back in my college days) can confirm that. There was a Mindanao girl who worked the bars in Sabang who was a real wild child but a sample size of one can't be generalised.

I agree that a real world, boots on the ground, report would be interesting and appreciated. There have been a few YouTube visitors who declared the area safe but that's not representative of our hobby.

I think the situation is actually worse in the provincial areas. If we take the two extremes: Manila has thousands of girls who are happy to meet foreign visitors who will splash the cash on nights out and taxi money in the morning while pretty Cabadbaran girls won't sit around waiting to share the one or two visitors a year who actually make it to town. A much better and reliable source for them is online sponsors who will pay for "load" without even seeing the girl let alone insist on fucking her. With the number of simps out there, it's not hard for a pretty girl to have several guys on the hook at the same time. Essentially money for nothing.

I've always recommend paying the equivalent of a ST a day for XLT. From me, that's 10 k a week. However, that's highly influenced on where you find the girl. A Manila bar girl is unlikely to go for that because she is use to receiving much more.

*Local knowledge and access is also a factor. I've been to many Indonesian towns that would burn a shop down for selling pork but there is always a bar or cat house hidden just outside of town. It would not surprise me at all to find that ZC actually has these places hidden away too. First impressions and plausible denial are very real.



Enjoy. G.

[Keen Eye Joe 1]

Many here talk about mall hunting. Maybe I've never had luck because I don't take the plunge. I don't have the nerve to stop a girl walking down the aisles to do her shopping. Of course, talking to shop assistants is much much easier for me. But then they all have jobs and it's not possible to have them stay in my apartment for a few days. I'm looking for this!.

Upon further thought, I understand your logic in going to far-flung areas to find a holiday girlfriend. But the WWW has made the world a smaller place, which has affected attitudes even in the world's isolated hamlets. Your plan was easily doable 15 years ago, but not as much today, for dozens of reasons.

I'm also of the belief that with each passing year, fewer and fewer Filipinas are willing to take a chance to cohabitate with an unfamiliar foreigner on a short-term basis as a fuck buddy without sizable financial benefits. Gifts won't cut it, they want some cash.

30 minutes ago, I finished chatting and talking online with a tipsy Filipina who lives in a small town near Butuan City that I know quite well both inside and outside the bedroom. In the room was a somewhat drunk close cousin, age 27. Let's call her Joyce. I'd visually rate her a 4 to 5, a somewhat blah looker with a simple but sweet personality.

No kids, no serious boyfriend, and works as a house cleaner. Perfect candidate as a week-long F-toy.

I asked Joyce if she would hypothetically be interested in JonesLover's arrangement. She asked if he was handsome. I replied she should assume he looks like me (he should be so lucky, haha). She then asked if he was looking for a wife, to which I replied he just wants a short-time deal for a week.

Joyce turned me (him) down. Then I asked if there was a daily monetary amount that might cause her to take the deal. After a significant pause, Joyce said maybe for P2,000 per day, paid daily, but they would have to stay at a location outside the local Butuan City area.

To satisfy my curiosity, here are two questions, pertaining to average-looking regular gals living in areas far outside Philippines' major metropolitan areas (not for professional or semi-pro sex workers):

JonesLover: What is the maximum amount of money you believe is reasonable to compensate a temporary live-in partner each day?

ISG Members: Either from personal experience or personal beliefs, how much money do you believe is a reasonable minimum daily offer for a holiday girlfriend?

[Keen Eye Joe 1]

Maybe the Philippines doesn't behave like other countries in the world. Usually where there is less tourism, the girls are more interested in being with you. This is a rule, although not a mathematical one. I believe that girls in Zamboanga chat much less than their cousins in the rest of the Philippines because foreigners are not interested in going. So perhaps contacting them online could be easier and therefore easier to meet them too. Those who know the Philippines well know how difficult it is to get a regular girl into bed on the first meeting.

If you're sizing up a place for sexual conquests, it sure helps to have some surefire backup plans. Here in Butuan City, if the online scene isn't panning out, a horny tourist like yourself can try flirting at three malls with plenty of moderately open-minded Catholic girls. If malling fails, there are good-sized restobars with oodles of late-night groups of getting-drunker-by-the-hour ladies swilling from big bottles of Tanduay Select with an iced tea mixer.

If you're still striking out there, have a trike driver take you to the local past-midnight streetwalker area, or visit Butuan's two strip clubs and / or five small videokes with hostess girls available for barfining until closing time at 2 to 4 am.

Same story in Cagayan de Oro, Davao City, Surigao City, etc. Plenty of options.

Statistical gathering is rather tough in the Philippines. But attached is a Facebook screenshot of religion numbers which purportedly are from the census of 2020.

Roughly 40% of Zamboanga residents identify as belonging to the Muslim faith. That statistic severely limits the playing field.

Those of us who have lived here for years vividly remember the Marawi City attack and siege in 2017 as well as the personal safety shit-shows that have occurred on nearby Basilian and Sulu Islands.

That's enough to dissuade most guys from ever traveling to a Filipino Muslim area to find chicks.

What this means is if your online plans in Zambo don't pan out and you're faced with the prospect of sleeping alone, you probably aren't left with many available fast-acting options. I'm guessing that there aren't any strip joints or streetwalker areas in such a Muslim-packed city, but I could be wrong.

Maybe you're okay with going to sleep with a raging libido and full sacks of jizz after having your hopes cruelly dashed, but not me.

IMO, Davao City is a greatly underrated city for finding companionship.

Zamboanga? I eagerly await your reports which will hopefully prove me wrong.

[Goferring]

Oh no worries here. Yours and my methods and requirements differ, but we both seem to consistently seal our deals and end up winners. Yee hah!

I'm currently outside the Phils for a month-long holiday trip. The first two weeks of December brought a welcome change in Butuan City's streetwalkers near SJIT, as I consistently hit the girlie bars twice a week.

You're starting to convince me that I should make a few more stops when heading north from Davao even if just to investigate some of the smaller towns you listed.

The girl in red actually lives near SJIT. That's where I always sent the Grab at least. Hopefully it was one of the boarding houses and not a street corner. 😁.

Enjoy your holiday away and the Christmas season.

G.

[Keen Eye Joe 1]

Joe, just highlighting that this was directed to the OP, Jones Lover not you. He seems unsure of the lay of the land in Mindanao. However, I'm sure you don't need any directions to find girls locally. 😁.

Merry Christmas. G.

Oh no worries here. Yours and my methods and requirements differ, but we both seem to consistently seal our deals and end up winners. Yee hah!

I'm currently outside the Phils for a month-long holiday trip. The first two weeks of December brought a welcome change in Butuan City's streetwalkers near SJIT, as I consistently hit the girlie bars twice a week.

A few younger gals started appearing, dressing rather seductively in short shorts and mini dresses and moderately high and cute footwear. Stopped and chatted with a 19 year-old slim and slutty-looking cutie one night at 1 am, her price was P1,500. Told her I'd be back after stopping at 7-11 for condoms.

Returned 10 minutes later and saw my 25 year-old regular with the wonky teeth but a killer body and insatiable carnal appetite working another street corner. She also upgraded her wardrobe to seemingly compete with the youngsters. P1,000 for short-time and P200 at another 7-11 for snacks and refreshments before hitting the short time hotel.

[Goferring]

A question that was posed to me before was why go to the deepest darkest corners when there is so much pussy lying in plain sight. With respect, if you can't get laid in the regular areas, you're not doing it right or maybe even the Philippines is not the place for you.

Enjoy. G.

Joe, just highlighting that this was directed to the OP, Jones Lover not you. He seems unsure of the lay of the land in Mindanao. However, I'm sure you don't need any directions to find girls locally. 😁.

Merry Christmas. G.

[JonesLover]

A question that was posed to me before was why go to the deepest darkest corners when there is so much pussy lying in plain sight. With respect, if you can't get laid in the regular areas, you're not doing it right or maybe even the Philippines is not the place for you.

Maybe the Philippines doesn't behave like other countries in the world. Usually where there is less tourism, the girls are more interested in being with you. This is a rule, although not a mathematical one. I believe that girls in Zamboanga chat much less than their cousins in the rest of the Philippines because foreigners are not interested in going. So perhaps contacting them online could be easier and therefore easier to meet them too. Those who know the Philippines well know how difficult it is to get a regular girl into bed on the first meeting.

[JonesLover]

Many here talk about mall hunting. Maybe I've never had luck because I don't take the plunge. I don't have the nerve to stop a girl walking down the aisles to do her shopping. Of course, talking to shop assistants is much much easier for me. But then they all have jobs and it's not possible to have them stay in my apartment for a few days. I'm looking for this!

Yes, I have already been to Gagayan de Oro, Butuan, Surigao and Siargao island. But these are all small cities, except Gagayan de Oro which is the largest city after Davao. It has around 600 thousand inhabitants. But I believe that Davao can give much, much more than CDO. The last times I went to Mindanao I had a GF from Leyte island, so I always traveled with her and didn't personally experience the situation in each place. So I don't know how Mindanao has developed in recent years. I'm afraid it developed a little badly. In fact I know that if you send money for transport to a girl who lives 50-100 km from you, in 80% of cases she steals your money and doesn't come. At least this is the situation on Leyte island. I don't know about Davao. As you mentioned, Davao doesn't have many tourists, so I hope it hasn't gotten much worse in recent years. Duterte had done a good job, even if he is now having a very bad time.

[Goferring]

Welcome to Joe's class on Mindanao Island Geography 101.

Joe, what's the first rule of Mindanao Fight Club?

Ssshhhhh. 🤫.

Remember there are no pretty girls anywhere in Mindanao and the whole island is a dangerous war zone. 😉.

Enjoy. G. 👍.

[Goferring]

Unfortunately, I'm convinced there's now a bit of "foreigner fatigue" in the larger cities, as the number of Western visitors and residents has dramatically grown in Butuan, Cagayan de Oro, and Davao Cities in the past decade.

Instead, fly to either Davao, Butuan, or Surigao cities and hop on a bus. Make the rounds of these Mindanao cities, where foreigners are not yet numerous.

Tandag. Bislig. Gingoog. Cabadbaran. Bayugan. San Francisco (Agusan del Sur). Tagum. There's a circular highway route that connects them all.

Don't waste your time in Surigao City. It's the main port for sea travel to Siargao Island, the new hip beach playground for younger Western visitors. An old guy won't stand a good chance there.

Zamboanga City? Don't be a fool.

Not only is there foreigner fatigue where pretty girls become tired of old foreigners hitting on them everytime they set foot in the mall, girls also have easier and higher paying options online. Find a cute 19 yo student and she will be receiving lunch money from numerous simps thousands of miles away, most of whom she will likely never even have to meet. This is a lot more lucrative than actually having to fuck a guy.

Said cities also have numerous second tier colleges. We're not talking Harvard but Joe's bus ride has the advantage of presenting lots of eye candy as hundreds of girls hop on and off going to and from tourism school.

True, there's not a lot to see in Surigao City. It's also a college town full of cute girls but the main campus is for Criminology. Potential police etc may not be the girls you want to pump, dump and leave heart broken. Rumour has it that hot college babes may be difficult to score but there are a couple of girls who, while less pretty, compensate by having filthy minds and play very very well together. But I wouldn't know anything about that. 😉.

A question that was posed to me before was why go to the deepest darkest corners when there is so much pussy lying in plain sight. With respect, if you can't get laid in the regular areas, you're not doing it right or maybe even the Philippines is not the place for you.

Enjoy. G.

[Keen Eye Joe 1]

Hi,

I know that Zamboanga is a pretty dangerous city.

But since there is no tourism I think that fucking some beautiful girl is very easy, much easier than in other Philippine cities.

Isn't that so?

Welcome to Joe's class on Mindanao Island Geography 101.

Go to Google Maps, type in "Mindanao". Look for Iligan City, Digos City, and General Santos City. Draw an imaginary line between the three.

In general, the area east of the line has comparatively few Muslims and society there is more liberal. The area west of the line has comparatively more Muslims and society is much less liberal.

I'm not big on the online game, so my thoughts are purely on the mechanics of pointing and shooting in person.

As a long-time resident of Northeastern Mindanao, if you're looking to score with chicks in random settings, shopping malls represent the most fertile targets. Unfortunately, I'm convinced there's now a bit of "foreigner fatigue" in the larger cities, as the number of Western visitors and residents has dramatically grown in Butuan, Cagayan de Oro, and Davao Cities in the past decade.

If you're an old-school pick-and-choose kind of in-person flirty guy, your best chances of success are in the malls located in second-tier cities in eastern Mindanao.

Why bypass Zamboanga? Here's one reason why, from late 2024. Note: Authorities have not yet found the body.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnap...Elliot_Eastman

Speculation is it was a girl's former Muslim partner and his buddies that did him in.

So please please please, don't venture west of Joe's imaginary line. Instead, fly to either Davao, Butuan, or Surigao cities and hop on a bus. Make the rounds of these Mindanao cities, where foreigners are not yet numerous.

Tandag. Bislig. Gingoog. Cabadbaran. Bayugan. San Francisco (Agusan del Sur). Tagum. There's a circular highway route that connects them all.

Yes, Tagum City is a large city with four malls. But I go there quite often and don't notice nearly as many foreign faces as I do in other large Mindanao city malls.

Each city listed has relatively newer Gaisano Malls. I own a car, so I quite often travel through and often stop at the malls to stretch my legs. I won't classify them as fertile hunting grounds, but it's rare that at least one salesgirl won't initiate a conversation.

Don't waste your time in Surigao City. It's the main port for sea travel to Siargao Island, the new hip beach playground for younger Western visitors. An old guy won't stand a good chance there.

Zamboanga City? Don't be a fool.

[JonesLover]

Sure, buy the ticket and take the ride! Better get that easy fuck in fast as the last thing you are likely to hear is some guy screaming something that sounds like "Aloha Snackbar". Enjoy, AR.

Jejejee, you are right, but I'm used. Jejeje.

I inform you that I have been to Venezuela 5 times and always alone.

All the girls look down when they walk, they look at the ground where they walk because are afraid of meeting evil glances.

Venezuela is a very dangerous country. I think it is the most dangerous in the world together with Sudan, but it is a wonderful country.

[Old And Ugly]

Merry Christmas Everybody!

[Old And Ugly]

Hi,

I know that Zamboanga is a pretty dangerous city.

But since there is no tourism I think that fucking some beautiful girl is very easy, much easier than in other Philippine cities.

Isn't that so?

In about 99% of the PH is no tourism.

Also take any place that's considered visited by tourists, and you'll see that the same percentage applies to the city as a whole, therefore no need to venture to a place where they chop off your head, and may also put salt on the wound, it's enough to just walk outside the "safe" zone and you may only get robbed or stabbed while looking for untouched gems.

Take AC for example, everybody knows Red St and Perimeter, but the city is vast, how many guys did venture even to relatively close and safe neighborhoods like Camachiles, Dau, Mountaiview, Clark, etc? Or just past the expensive Kandi Towers at the end of Narciso. Maybe some guys that lived there, very few, and they wouldn't be considered tourists by any means.

The only place in the world where girls where throwing themselves at foreigners and I saw it with my own eyes, was Manaus in BR, and it was 30 years ago, probably it changed by now also.

There are so many millions of girls in the PH, that it's impossible not to find what you're looking for without going to extremes. Getting them into your bed it's a different story and it requires to use you mojo if you don't take the easy and affordable PP route.

[WestCoast1]

Sure, buy the ticket and take the ride! Better get that easy fuck in fast as the last thing you are likely to hear is some guy screaming something that sounds like "Aloha Snackbar". Enjoy, AR.

I think the guys who would be able to tell us, never came back. If you know what I mean.

Dang. I was about to say something snarky. But dang. . .