St. Maarten (The southern Dutch side)

[PogoStick]

Someone correct me if I am totally off base here but am I correct when I recollect that CB's or Defiance's owner's son got killed a couple of years ago?

That was at Casablanca. It was either the owner or his son. But it seemed that the club was already slowing down before that happened. I'm sure that the murder was the final straw in it's decline. In contrast, the murder of the owner of Campo hasn't seem to hurt business or upkeep at all. It keeps on cruising along looking better every time.

Casblanca, if finished out properly and run well, could be a game changer in the business. Defiance has the potential as well. Both have enough space for a true resort product, with hotel suites, pools, spas, nightclub, gym and food all on one property. Like Blackbeard's in the DR taken to an entirely different level Train the girls to give great service like they do in Thailand. Make it up-market, ultra safe, and charge appropriately. It could be the ultimate mongering destination. Then get the producers of the Cathouse Series on HBO to do a reality show. It would be a gold mine.

I scare myself sometimes.

Pogo

[PogoStick]

Shark,

Great report! I'm still nostalgic for the original Seamans. It was seedy and the smell of history made the floor sticky, but it was everything an old-time island brothel should be. I liked Seamans 2. 0 better than 2. 1. Climbing that "Stairway to Heaven" behind a couple of girls was always a pleasure to the eyes. There were plenty of chairs in a larger room so more chicas tended to hang out in there. Now, in 2. 1, there is not much room for them to hang out in the bar.

And you're right. The music should be softer. I think I would probably stay in the bar longer, buying more drinks, if it was less painful to be there.

But over-all, your report is right on the money with a good update of the basics.

Pogo

[Shark16]

Sorry about being late with this report.

About a month ago I spent another terrific time on the island. Apart from sailing, exploring the beaches, tropical drinks, lazying in the sun, scuba diving, enjoying extraordinary good food, and generally enjoying the tranquil experience of this paradise island, I once again managed to find time to explore the clubs. Not really difficult.

I have been on the island before, so I sort of knew what to expect. But let's give a quick overview for the firsttimer:

This tiny little tropical island has 11 clubs with adult entertainment located in two separate areas:

There are 3 'strip clubs' in the tourist area of Maho / Simpson Bay. In my book they are ok for watching the exotic dancers dance (at stage or a private dance) , but terrible for further sexual activities with their outrageous pricing and questionable service standards. Not worth the money IMHO.

You will find the real value for money in the 8 'chica bars' located pretty much along the same two miles (four kilometres) long road from Phillipsburg to Oyster Pond - with the heaviest concentration around Suckergarden with its four clubs in a sort of industrial area at the outskirts of Phillipsburg. Sessions starting at $30- 50 (or $300 + 70 for a TLN). Quality of line-up vary from club to club (see below) , but the best optic quality chica bars are easily on par with the strip clubs at Maho / Simpson Bay IMO.

The chica bars have pretty much similar set-up: They are clubs with a bar as a meeting area with girls dancing and cheap drinks ($2 for a beer or a soft drink; $5 for a 'chica drink') , and rooms in the back for private affairs. 98% of the girls are from Colombia and Dominican Rep. ; usually with a Dominican domination. Two exceptions to this rule: Carolina's and Seaman's, which both usually have around 95% colombianas.

I guess I am like most of the guys here. I got to check most of the clubs, but still find myself spending most of my time in Carolina's and Seaman's. This is basically due to:
• My preference for Colombianas.
• Nostalgia. Looking back these two clubs always had the hottest line-ups and sweetest experiences for me. I was not let down.
• Better rooms / air-condition.
• Favourable reports on ISG!

Carolina's vs. Seaman's.

Two popular clubs. I did not try to negotiate the standard rate of $50 which guarantee CBJ and MPOS sex.

Carolina had around 25 girls. Seaman's around 15. A few Seaman's girls complained about the number of girls saying that the larger line-up at Carolina's attracted more guys and thus making it easier to make good money at Carolina's. Then the week before Christmas many new girls arrived at Seaman's making it more even (20- 25 girls in both clubs). I am not up to date with the situation right now.

Having read recent reports that the line-up at Carolina' was that much superior, I was a little let down by my first impression. Too many chicas with silicon / gel in their butts in my book. In some cases it just looked oversized and ridiculous. Not my thing at all. So the first few days I had much more fun over at Seaman's: Tania, Angie, Carolina, Yoly, Melissa, Lina, Monica.

Then again, I just knew I may have missed a few faces on my first visits to Carolina's and needed to go back several times. Popular girls are often missing in high season due to take-outs.

After some time the Carolina line-up grew on me: Loreena (not to be confused with Lorena) , Vanessa (there are two of them) , Marcela (who left before Christmas) , Ana-Maria, Andrea, Alba, Sandra, Carolina, Heidi, Marta, Lucy, Nicole, Patricia. Add a few pretty girls that I never got to talk to because of take-outs. At the end of my stay I can agree with those who say Carolina's have the hottest line-up, but Seaman's is really not that far behind IMHO.

I enjoy both day- and night visits. Daytime is more relaxed; that is true. Less clock-watching, less men and better F / M ratios. But the clubs have more of a party feel to them at night. More cheers, singing and dancing. Also, the girls dress up a little for the night, put on their best make-up, the nicest dresses, ++. In particular in the weekend the sight of the girls can be really breathtaking, they are really in a party mood and good spirit, which some of them bring with them into the room. But true, some girls get stressed and in "dollar mood", so it is important to make the right pick. Take your time!

For those who have not visited the clubs at night it may be interesting to hear a description of the rhythm of the night. Sure, each club has a different vibe, and it pays to explore the clubs to find the one that suits you best. But let's use Carolina as an example:

The girls have their siesta from 4- 8 pm. In earlier days the girls had to check in at the bar at 8 pm to avoid the multa, which made it a grand time to be there to check the line-up. This does not seem to be the case anymore. At 8 pm the bar is basically empty. The first few girls start showing up at 8:15 – 8:30, just to disappear through the side door to the restaurant. I found the restaurant to be a great place to be between 08:15- 9pm, as this is where the girls gather for a light meal before nighttime acitivities. The best part is that the lighting of the restaurant is much better than the bar, so you can have a really good look at the line-up.

At 9pm there could be 7- 10 girls in the restaurant and a few more in the bar, and the rest would arrive shortly thereafter. Some will leave for TLN, but shortly after 9pm the bar would be full of chicas. But no men! A great time to make your first pick of the night.

Coming back at 10pm the bar would crowded with both men and chicas. This is when the party started, and it would last until midnight most of the time (sometimes longer). Happy times!

Seaman's would generally be more quieter. It still remains one of my favourite clubs on the island. One thing is the great line-up, but also because the rooms at Seaman's are more spacious, has the best kingsize beds and aircon superior to any other bar on the island.

The old bar at Seaman's is gone (SM MKII). So is the restaurant. Most girls at Seaman's seem to order their food from the Chinese restaurant next to Carolina's.

I am a bit critical to the new bar though. It is way to dark (much darker than the two previous locations and other bars on the island). Frankly it is impossible to observe the line-up and making a decent decision in the dark. In addition the music is too loud, and the girls will avoid the place unless the guys are showing up. I always had to insist taking a girl out of the bar to have a decent conversation and look before making a commitment. Much nicer to talk with the chicas in daytime (they are sitting outside between the new bar and the old entrance) or in their siesta, when they are often to be found talking together in the coach behind the old entrance to the hotel part of the building.

I would have spent much more time at Seaman's if they had made the bar brighter and less loud. Not many other guys there too, and I wonder if many guys feel the same as me. If so, management should know that by improving these two factors they could attract a lot more business. I hope they do.

Hottest girls on the island: Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but in my book:
- Heidi at Carolina's: All natural and stunningly beautiful! Very sweet personality. Great smile.
- Monica and Lina at Seaman's.

They were all decent in bed, but I am not saying that they all provided the best sex on the island. Trusted seniors can pm me for details.

Marcela and Katalina (from Carolina's) and Yoly have now left the island. I do not have exact details, but I got the impression that most of the girls in attendance in December would be there until end of February taking as much advantage of high season as they possibly could.

Funny thing. One day I visited my regular at Seaman's, and she knew exactly which three I had banged the night before girls at Carolina's. Haha! Those days when you could secretly move from one club to another are gone. It's well-known that these two clubs now have same management and therefore the chicas know each other better than before. So be nice and think twice about what the girls are doing with their I-Phones!

Other clubs.

I also visited Crystal Club (15 girls) , Petit Chateau (25 girls) , El Capitan (15- 20 girls) and Defiance (10 girls) , but on this trip I found the line-ups to be subpar to what I found at Seaman's / Carolina's. General impression was 'too big'. Not a surprise, but I have always found a jewel or two in each camp when I have had a second look. Not this time.

Am I doing the line-ups at these clubs justice? Probably not. I did not visit as many times as I probably should to have the complete line-up verified, and I usually visited after a Carolina's / Seaman's visit with reduced sexual drive in me.

Of the four clubs, I thought El Capitan had best potential. In particular one girl caught my attention (Emily / Emilie?) with her beautiful eyes and smile and the rest to go with it. She reminded me a bit of my all time favourite that I met at Defiance in 2008. But the girl lacked the sensuality and tranquillity of my former girl. And she needed to sober up a little, so I made a pass.

I did go with two girls from Crystal Club and Petite Chateau. Both slightly above average looking (but far from as hot as the chicas at Seaman's / Carolina's) , and service standards seemed to be a bit higher than in Carolina's / Seaman's (but note my limited experience in these clubs).

In these four clubs I was quoted $40 at night and $30 in daytime by many of the girls. So if you can find a beautiful girl for your taste with decent service, then you might find value for money here. I did not, but to be fair I did not spend much time to investigate.

I did not visit Casablanca or Sunset Retreat on this trip and have nothing on these two clubs. I probably should have paid Casablanca a visit (ref. The recent positive reports).

I did visit the strip clubs (Platinum, Golden Eyes, Bada Bing) , but solely for the dancing, as I find the pricing for p4p outrageous. I was not impressed with the line-up. Maybe I will write a separate report on this later.

... and just to make it clear: I wasn't there to marry anyone at the strip clubs!

Again, the island felt pretty secure when I visited (day and night). I always drove a car and took normal precautions. There is a sign in the restroom at Carolina's encouraging patrons NOT to walk between Seaman's and Carolina's, despite the short distance, as have been repeated here several times. There is security outside most of the clubs (at least at night). I found it easy to park by the clubs. Not mentioned here (I think) is the new southern wall outside Seaman's making parking inside the wall in front of the club feel spacious and secure.

St. Martin simply remains my paradise island in the sun. I will be back; trust me!

Cheers,
S16

[Vitrea]

I'm not sure what the problem is at Casablanca. Several years ago, the place was always hopping and it was one of my favorite places. I remember times when cars were parked all the way down to the road. For a while they got really serious about their expansion; repainting the rooms and hallways in bright, cheerful colors, lots of work being done on the partly constructed area and the guardhouse at the entrance. And then it just suddenly stopped, both the amount of business and the progress. The last few years I've never seen more than 10 cars in the lot and that would be a busy night.

With the right investments in infrastructure and inspired management, both Casablanca and Defiance could almost rival Campo for a mongering experience. Both places have incredible potential. But instead they just keep trudging along as they have always been and the results are becoming obvious.

Pogo

Someone correct me if I am totally off base here but am I correct when I recollect that CB's or Defiance's owner's son got killed a couple of years ago?

[PogoStick]

Very accurate description of Casablanca. LOL. The place never gets too busy like Carolina's and Seamens sometimes do and they seem to have a fair number of girls (from DR mostly).

I'm not sure what the problem is at Casablanca. Several years ago, the place was always hopping and it was one of my favorite places. I remember times when cars were parked all the way down to the road. For a while they got really serious about their expansion; repainting the rooms and hallways in bright, cheerful colors, lots of work being done on the partly constructed area and the guardhouse at the entrance. And then it just suddenly stopped, both the amount of business and the progress. The last few years I've never seen more than 10 cars in the lot and that would be a busy night.

With the right investments in infrastructure and inspired management, both Casablanca and Defiance could almost rival Campo for a mongering experience. Both places have incredible potential. But instead they just keep trudging along as they have always been and the results are becoming obvious.

Pogo

[Vitrea]

I only drove up and turned around in the parking lot. Both times there were only one or two cars in the lot. When Casa Blanca is that slow, it's like sticking your feet into a fish massage tank in Asia; an instant crowd, nibbling and tugging on you from all directions. Sometimes fun, sometimes a hassle.

The only club I actually went into this time was Seamans. I almost always do a quick drive-by tour of all the clubs without going into them. I'm not really sure why, but it's almost a ritual with me. I'll even drive all the alleys and back streets in Aruba five or ten times (daytime) before pulling the trigger. Maybe I'm just trying to catch a vibe or something but by the time I do go in a club, I am in full hunting mode and ready for some fun.

Or maybe it's just my OCD kicking in.

Pogo

Very accurate description of Casablanca. LOL. The place never gets too busy like Carolina's and Seamens sometimes do and they seem to have a fair number of girls (from DR mostly).

[PogoStick]

Haha. True. Back to my hotel for like 8 minutes since going and I want to go back.

I know the concensus is rental car but I'm alright with my decision on the cab. Got a lot of great insight on the island, no worries about parking, drinking etc, right there, right back with no missed turns etc, and the cabbie was a nice guy who likely could use the cash more than I.

Willl likely post back tmrw. Girls told me to come around 12noon. Consider that a done deal.

Taxis do take the worries out of hitting the clubs. I like the freedom of having a car but I can also see a different freedom in not having one. Had I known you were on island when I was there, I would have taken you on the grand tour. Each club has it's own unique personality that should be experienced.

Noon is a good time for the clubs. The girls seem more relaxed and there is less clock-watching in the room. I always prefer daytime mongering when possible. Sundays if there aren't a lot of ships are really nice. Get there early and you could end up with a car-load of chicas sin ropas at Orient Beach just looking for a day in the sun. A day away from the club is a rare treat for them. A few years ago I took four girls to Orient Beach in my tiny little car. After that I took them to Johhny B's (when he was still under the tree) for grilled lobster and ribs and then back to the club where they all made sure I was happy. Total cost was just food a drink, maybe $50-60, for a day that most guys only get to fantasize about. The expressions on all the tourist's faces when a fat old guy like me is walking on the beach arm in arm with a flock of naked young chicas is priceless!

Have fun.

Pogo

[PogoStick]

Quick question. Did you happen to make it up to Casa Blanca? Was curious as to if you did, what the talent was like, as well as your thoughts and impressions. Last few times I was on island, the dominicans there, wheren't that bad. I stay in Oyster Pond, and hit this casa quite regularly, since it's a stone's throw from where I stay, and even if cruise ships are in. It's pretty quiet in the afternoon, and more of a local crowd at night.

I only drove up and turned around in the parking lot. Both times there were only one or two cars in the lot. When Casa Blanca is that slow, it's like sticking your feet into a fish massage tank in Asia; an instant crowd, nibbling and tugging on you from all directions. Sometimes fun, sometimes a hassle.

The only club I actually went into this time was Seamans. I almost always do a quick drive-by tour of all the clubs without going into them. I'm not really sure why, but it's almost a ritual with me. I'll even drive all the alleys and back streets in Aruba five or ten times (daytime) before pulling the trigger. Maybe I'm just trying to catch a vibe or something but by the time I do go in a club, I am in full hunting mode and ready for some fun.

Or maybe it's just my OCD kicking in.

Pogo

[Vitrea]

I have been to the Westin and found it to be a nice hotel with a great beach. It is closer to the mongering.

I just wonder if both hotelds are chica friendly if you want a TNL.

Mel

I know for sure that Westin is girl friendly. Have not stayed at Radisson.

[Vitrea]

I have a St. Maarten trip booked for December, which I know is a long ways off but I used airline miles and I wanted to get the lowest award bucket.

I have not yet booked the hotel. I have enough points for either the Radisson or the Westin. I realize that the Westin is a lot closer to the brothels but based on the reviews on travel sites, I think I would like the Radisson better from a vacation standpoint. Is it simply insane to stay at the Radisson in Anse Marcel (the french side) and go to the brothels and clubs every day, or is the drive not that bad?

Thanks for any help and advice. I will do a report after the trip.

The drive from AM is not that bad mainly because of decent roads on that side of Island and very little traffic. I would say Grand Case is too far (for my tastes)

[Mel365]

A friend of mine that Lives on st maarten says this chica is VERY accomodating.

She has a special rate he says $500- plus multa for 24 hours. I think she is into almost anything.

Her name I believe is Joanna -photos attached.

He says not a 10 in looks but 10 in the bed.

I respect his opinion and she is on my to do list.

Just tell her you know Mel who is a friend of Dick.
I hear she is working outside the club, probably renting a rooom on the right side of the club.
her cell is 526 0549

[Mel365]

Carina was recommended to me by a friend that lives in Curacao. He says she is very hot.

She is at Carolinas.

I have not been to see her but I definitely will as my friend in Curacao almost lives at campo.

Her phone is.

721 559 7170.

Mel

[Double Windsor]

DoubleWindsor

I've got to agree with renting a car unless all you want to do is sit on a beach all day. Parking is free everywhere except in the paid lot in downtown P-burg. Even then you can park in the free area by the salt pond 2 blocks away if you want to go downtown. SXM is a small island with a lot to see and a car is the best way to do it.

Don't assume you'll only want to go to the clubs just one time as they are more addictive than crack. You may find yourself wanting to go a couple times a day.

Pogo

Haha. True. Back to my hotel for like 8 minutes since going and I want to go back.

I know the concensus is rental car but I'm alright with my decision on the cab. Got a lot of great insight on the island, no worries about parking, drinking etc, right there, right back with no missed turns etc, and the cabbie was a nice guy who likely could use the cash more than I.

Willl likely post back tmrw. Girls told me to come around 12noon. Consider that a done deal.

[Double Windsor]

Quick follow up. Thanks for all the input. I'm sure I could have done things better but here's the low down.

Staying in maho near airport.

Took cab to caroline's. Work deal with cabbie. $25 each way, $10 per 30 min waiting time.

Arrived 7p.

No girls out at all. Assume I'm too early.

Nice guy at front comes up and says follow me.

Go to a room way in back where this cute, petite columbian opens door.

She's my type. 5'3, 115lbs. 32C / D fake rack.

Of course I immediately fall in love. Ask her how much to come back to my hotel for night. She says $300 + $70 for 7p. 11am.

If she spoke better english I might have.

Sex was solid but not super GFE or anything. CBJ to start. 4-5 positions, came on her tits.

Might head back tmrw. Total damage was $125.

If I was able to man up like the good old days, I would have taken a run at another girl I met as leaving. Jeezus. HAd to have 34DD.

[ClubTed]

Quick question. Did you happen to make it up to Casa Blanca? Was curious as to if you did, what the talent was like, as well as your thoughts and impressions. Last few times I was on island, the dominicans there, wheren't that bad. I stay in Oyster Pond, and hit this casa quite regularly, since it's a stone's throw from where I stay, and even if cruise ships are in. It's pretty quiet in the afternoon, and more of a local crowd at night.

I did my quick tour last night around 10. It was pretty dead at all the clubs except Carolinas which had a modest amount of cars in the lot. But I just headed over to Seamans to find my sweety from the previous night. Wading through the crowd of chicas at the door, I asked about the one I was looking for. Of course, they all said she was out for a TLN and started hitting on me. I passed them up and found her sitting in the bar. That is very typical. Chicas will often tell you that the one you want is busy or out, trying to grab your business. If in doubt, ask the bartender. They will not steer you wrong.

I'll only say that my session with her was even better than the night before. She really has novia potential. I wish I was here longer, but it looks like I'll be back again in a week or two so I'll get another chance to be with her again. She is aware of this board and asked that I not post her name. Trusted seniors can PM me for her info.

I did notice that this year, most the chicas are almost constantly texting on cell phones and many had laptops or tablets, especially at Campo. So please remember that our board is not as private as it used to be. If fact at Campo I saw several chicas with ISG or other similar boards up on their screens, so we need to be careful about protecting their privacy. I'd predict that soon, some of the girls are going to get smart and start participating on the board, similar to Aey at Annies in Bangkok. I think it would be very interesting if they came here and shared their perspectives on the business.

On my way back to sex prison with a parole in a week or two.

Pogo