Berlin

[ToiletMan]

I understand that some people are not like what I writing.

I think my report is good and I thank you members who liked it.

Offcourse there is different people who like different stuff!

I love really nasty kinky and perverted games, But I pay for it!

I never do anything the girls not want to do, I negotiate before and then we agree, so whats wrong with that?

If the girls are working on the street they will proboblay meet really dangerous and sadistic people, and thats not me!

I like most to be humiliated from these girls, and they get paid for doing that!

Also I sometimes love to abuse and slap them hard.

BUT, offcourse I will not go harder on them, if they ask me to stop!

I am perverted kinky extreme and I fucking love it.

[Belvaros]

MY nuts are killing me after a few weeks of intense punting so decided to just walk around this great city for the last 2 days. Going to save my sperm for Jenna when she returns to Artemis FKK next week. Anyway as usual I digress. So I walked from my hotel in midtown Mitte on Friday evening and in no particular order ended up at 1) Billy Wilders 2) Vox 3) Marriott Bar then later on the other side of town the excellent 4) Bellini 5) Rivabar and 6) Reingold Speakeasy.

Plenty of tarts out for the night at each bar with some high end hotel WG types and semi-pros at most venues. I walked into Billy Wilders, was sneered at by the wait-staff so walked out but the other places were fun and generally cool.

Vox. The bar attached to the elegant restaurant is large and filled with couples, business types and a few single women form 20s-60s. I chatted to 3 or 4 30 ish types. Local German lasses on the "party plan". Asked one for price and she almost hit me. Oh well. Next. Drinks are pricey $$$$ and the vibe kind of sterile. The bar man told me they get a lt of p4p later in the night on Thu-Sat generally. Will check back again next week.

http://www.vox-restaurant.de/bar.html

Marriott Hotel Bar. Been here before and there are several 30 something WGs who sit and smile at single male drinkers. I think the going rate few weeks back was 300Euros. Will go midweek and see what I can partake of.

Bellini. Cool, busy spot with outdoor seating, plenty of couples, plenty of middle aged guys like me and a few really hot semi-pros and wannabe women. Chatted to a pair of Romanian WGs who appeared to be off duty (FKK or brothel girls) who said they went there to find one off rich businessmen for $500 fucks. I laughed and said I could literally die at Artemis before I spent that much. Will be back tonight for a Sunday night gander.

Rivabar. A smentioned before, this can be a greta place

[Cock Sure]

Well nearly all p4p providers have been exploited before plying their trade. Either abused growing up or trafficked or whatever. I don't think we should judge this man. He has committed no illegal acts. And if anyone says they are immoral or unethical, plenty people would say that about all acts of paying for sex.

To say his kinks are "bad" and your own are "OK" is hypocritical. Nobody can force their own place where they draw the line on the rest of this board. I have read far worse on this board.

[Rocketboy0]

I don't agree, I judge, I'm happy I'm judjing and if it was for me I would confine this crap in a dedicated thread.

If this kind of stuff was to become common on this board I would very probably stop following it.

Kimino

I knew when I posted earlier this would happen. Our poster also says he understands this is not everyone`s cup of tea (or box of caviar) , and so fair enough. But here are some complications.

First, all countries have laws that do overrule what consenting adults may do. The various stories about internet ads for murder and chopped up bits videos etc. Being an obvious example. TM seems to have skirted this line, but his story about meeting someone who had been "consensually" abused probably crosses it. However inconsistent and selective, there are laws to prevent people from harming themselves. You cannot deny that there is a continuum here and that at some point, there is a line. This varies from person to person but there are limits. And while this is the bane of Libertarians, the fact is that all cultures and societies have ended up with a wide range of taboos and rules on such things.

Angus's point about exploitation itself being a slippery concept is real but again, there is a line. I myself have on occasion bailed on a p4p because I didn't think the provider was in full command of her senses, or seemed (yes yes IMHO) to be of questionable mental stability. I am no angel on this point, and I was probably doing it for myself out of some sense of threat vs some genuine concern for another. But if I feel that consent aside, a partner does not seem at ease with the situation, end of story. You can easily say, well that is all relative and fair enough but I think most (certainly not all, but most) of the girls in the private flats here, or Artemis, are comfortable doing what they do. Of course, if we really knew whatever was driving that-financial pressures, abuse, father stuff, all the usual suspects, we might view this differently. Or they hide it well. But the comfort zone seems real enough.

But call me a prude or narrow, but you (I) just cannot equate, respectful, fun sex as on the same level as what TM described. There are deeper things going on and it is no accident that there are taboos and rules and laws about them. Messing around with human wastes, or some playful low level S&M is one thing (not mine but ok some do enjoy it all) but physical abuse is quite another. Is there a clear dividing line. Again not so simple to say where, but there is a line.

Finally on Kimino's point, I think Albert Camus in The Plague said it best. When faced with moral relativism, the act of not judging is itself a judgement; you have decided deliberately not to judge. Ultimately we are all our own judges. But having fooled around with anarchy, we decided over several thousand years, that indeed lines needed drawing. No simple answers here and of course you can go on and on about freedom, the proper role of the state, what does "consent" really mean etc. Same argument about smoking, drugs, child porn, etc. All old battles.

When I first read TM's post, I thought, well, let it ride. But it did turn inside my head a few hours, and all these issues started spinning around, so hence this post.

Let us move this to I dunno the Lounge or something, as it could go on and on. It is useful that people see what is happening on the Mean Streets here, and they then decide. At least we now cannot say we do not know. And I also don't think reasonable people, who may well disagree on where the line is drawn, would say there is no line.

Finis-RB

[Belvaros]

aghhhh. really. do we need to get into this form of perversion here. maybe, free speech and all. then again free speech is not consequence free speech. in future i suppose we can add to the ignore list and for the record. almost every street girl i spoke with could be had for 20 euros. fwiw

[Kimino]

Got to agree here. I may not be interested in his particular kink but if he is paying for a consensual encounter, and paying well, who is anyone else to say that it is exploitive? That seems to be a false assumption. I mean all the stuff discussed on this forum is probably seen as exploitive by some. Best, in my opinion, is that if you are not interested in TM's post just not to read them. They are obviously controversial.

AM

I don't agree, I judge, I'm happy I'm judjing and if it was for me I would confine this crap in a dedicated thread.

If this kind of stuff was to become common on this board I would very probably stop following it.

Nothing personal.

My2cents.

Kimino

[Angus Magee]

Nice report David.

I look forward to more of your posts telling us more about Berlin scene.

Before anyone judge this man, everything he does is consensual. This is only a matter of taste, so don't judge this man. He treats the girls well.

Got to agree here. I may not be interested in his particular kink but if he is paying for a consensual encounter, and paying well, who is anyone else to say that it is exploitive? That seems to be a false assumption. I mean all the stuff discussed on this forum is probably seen as exploitive by some. Best, in my opinion, is that if you are not interested in TM's post just not to read them. They are obviously controversial.

AM

[Cock Sure]

Nice report David.

I look forward to more of your posts telling us more about Berlin scene.

Before anyone judge this man, everything he does is consensual. This is only a matter of taste, so don't judge this man. He treats the girls well.

Hi all you perverts!

My name is David and I am right now visit Berlin and writing this from my hotel room.

[Rocketboy0]

Be nice to the girls and then you can buy everything for money here!

She had bruices all over her body, she met 1 man who liked to torture breast and pussy.

I will write more when I get home.

Just ask questions if you want more information!

I think there is no need to write more-you've pretty much said it. There are some very subtle concepts here of how to be "nice" to the girls. Of course these things go on and I guess it can get aired out on the forum. At least some of the street romantics can have a better picture of what else is going on there. It might all be somewhat less dramatic by not using paragraph returns after each sentence. So it is less biblical in length.

This is tapping into some pretty dark forces, on both sides. It is also pushing legal boundaries. Personally, I find all this deeply revolting and exploitative. I think any follow up might best be handled via PMs.

[WarmStone25]

KD.

I visited Kamilla Dee again on 25 July following my unsuccessful visit a few weeks ago.

On this occasion I was shown to a nice room to meet the girls rather than the small plain box room of a few weeks ago (as reported).

I was shown four girls the others being busy.

One of the girls was Penny whose picture is on the web site.

The madam returned and said that one of the girls had said that she had a booking and was no longer available. So the choice was reduced to one from three. The first girl looked to be the most interested but Penny looked very sexy on the web site picture to me, so I chose her instead.

Penny took me to the other apartment one level up, where we were alone. I was shown to a nicely appointed room where I was left alone for a while. So I got undressed. When Penny returned I asked if I could take a shower. I was shown to the shower and Penny waited in the room.

On my return I got into action. Penny was willing and appeared to want to get me to pop as soon as possible. I felt that the chemistry between us was not working at this point. I started to control myself to prolong the action. Penny did not want me to lick her breast because she did not like it.

I noticed the wrinkles on the side of her breast. Penny changed positions on request but after 20 minutes appeared to become frustrated and started to use her hand vigorously, saying 'I am going to get this thing'. I prolonged the encounter for another 5 minutes. As soon as I had popped Penny disappeared from the room for at least 5 minutes and returned with beaming smile. On her return

Penny showed no interest in filling in the remaining time with me and instead started to tidy the room. I had waited on the bed for her return, but when I saw here intentions, I proceeded to get dressed, but slowly.

This encounter is a complete contrast with that of one from a few weeks ago at Royal (as reported).

When I went to leave Penny sped ahead and disappeared into the second floor apartment without a thank you or good bye. The madam did not appear to ask me how things were instead I heard the laughter from behind the door. Penny appeared to enjoy that part of it.

Penny does not appear to me to be as good as she appears in the picture and a picture does not tell a story. I felt as if I was the last of the day and Penny wanted to get it over with so she could get home. There is an asterisk against Penny's name on the web site. Perhaps this should be taken as a warning. Although Kamilla Dee has nice premises my experience at Royal was far better.

Kamilla Dee I understood to be one of the bettere places but I may have to strike Kamilla Dee from the list of places to visit.

[ToiletMan]

hi all you perverts!

my name is david and i am right now visit berlin and writing this from my hotel room.

i have been here 8 times the last year and there is no other place for me to meet girls, because i love berlin!

i really love streeet girls and want to share my experiences!

i only visit "kuffursenstrasse"/postdammerstrasse" this area is the absolut best place in whole berlin!

the streets arround the "lsd" sex store are the best ways to meet girls!

as you see in my profile name, i am a really perverted man and always and only looking for really perverted kinky extreme stuff.

like dirty extreme games with girls!

i have been here 4 days now and already played with over 7 girls!

so what can i say more about this place:

there is alot of bulguarian / romanian girls here, some of them are really nice and good.

but some of them are just really bad! so be really careful and negotiate everything you want to do before you go with them.

standard prise for these girls are 50 euro, and then you pay 10 euro for the pension (30 minutes).

many of these girls are using drugs, thats no problem for me.

i also recomend that you look for german girls in this area, some of them do everything you want!

i like to abuse some girls and tream them really hard and slap pussy, face spit and stuff.

if you want to do that the price is like about 70-100 euro for 1 hour.

i also love rep001 / toilet games!

alot of these girls are willing to do that! they can shit [CodeWord134] and stuff on you for about 50-100 euro and you can also lick them clean.

yes i know i am a sick perverted man! .

prices:

bulguarian / romanian girls. fuck and suck 50 euro + 10 euro pension. standard price.

german girls in this area. fuck and suck 50 euros + 10 euro pension. standard price.

rep001 / wet games. differens i use to pay 50-100 euros for 30 minutes (they shit and [CodeWord134] on you)

drug street girls. blow job 20 euro.

bdsm. about 50-100 euro and you can do almost what you want if you have told them before.

if you spend more like 30-100 euro + the price abow you can get some of the girls to let you film & photo.

some only ask for 10 euros more some more.

every girl are negotiable!

so be honest what you want to do and you will get what you want.

i recomend that you take the girl to the pension first time!

if you like her and she is nice, next time you can take her to your hotel.

the hotels often don't have any problem with you taking girls to the room.

and you people how love to humiliate and punish girls, i recomend the bulguarian girls.

they can do anything you want if you give them a good offer, the best girls is the more "ugly ones" and the real drug addicts often do anything for money.

i also will tell you more about my experiences and prices i paid.

and i am a good negotiater.

1 girl- rumanian = i licked her asshole and she spit in my mouth. then she pissed and shit in my face.

i smear the shit in her breast and sucked them clean. price: 100 euro / 1 hour and i also videotaped it.

2 girl: bulguarian = i let her licked my asshole, and slapped her pussy and breast real hard, she started to cry and wanted me to stop, i offered her 20 euro more to countinue she agree. then i fucked her throat untill she vomit. then shit and [CodeWord140] on her body. price: 200 euro 1 hour.

3 girl: german = real nice and not good looking girl, i gave her 20 euro for 30 minutes bjb.

4 girl: bulgarian = real nice and good looking girl, licked her asshole for 10 minutes, then she licked mine.

i slaped her face real hard and then put the cum in her face : price 70 euro 30 minutes.

so all i can say more:

the german girls are most honsest!

the bulguarian / romanian girls. some really good some just fooling! so negotiate everything before you go with them.

be nice to the girls and then you can buy everything for money here!

example:

i meet 1 girl like 19 why / o really sexy small and clean girl.

she had bruices all over her body, she met 1 man who liked to torture breast and pussy.

he pais her 500 euroes for 2 hours.

and then he could do anything he wanted!

i meen everything!

so be nice to the girls and honest!

and you will have the best time of your life in berlin (kuffusenstrasse / postdammerstrasse. just go to the big lsd sex shop and walk arround the block, you will understand what i mean!

i hope you like this report!

i will write more when i get home!

i am sorry, but i like really perverted nasty stuff, i know some of you don't like this.

but for you who do, just ask questions if you want more information!

[Kimino]

Thursday morning, actually it was around 14:00, me and Charlie123 making up our mind to see if we would fancy some kind of tour before heading to Artemis. Should we try Liberty? Head straight to Royal? Etc. Etc.

We decide to call up Monrouge to know who was in and to my surprise, Dea was there.

http://www.monrouge.com/models/details/dea.html

I've been trying (without too much effort) to meet the girl for months but either she wasn't there or she would come in late so I never had a chance. Other interesting girls where present so we both decided to grab a taxi and go to Monrouge.

As said before, Monrouge is quite a nice place, very comfortable, a nice waiting are with big sofas etc. A bar.

We took a drink and after a couple of minutes 3 girls showed up and we started talking a bit.

I decided for Dea and off we went to a room.

Dea looked much more skinny than what I expeted and had her hair pulled up in the back. I initially almost dodn't recognize her, still was beautiful.

We entered a very big room with separate bathroom where a very big Jacuzi and a shower was present.

Talked a bit with her just to break some ice and then we wnet through the unelegant menu part of the the thing. LOL.

She said all the prices for shorter session then 150 for 1hr, +40 for BBBJ, +20 for kissing. I told her I would take the whole kit and that was it.

Took a shower and then we started.

Dea for me was actually an Optiflick but to this was added a very nice and sweet session. Her attitude is really nice and doesn't give you the idea that you are just buying a service. For the details we had DFK, DATY and all the basic stuff. It was quite hot and we swet a lot but it was real fun.

I don't know how much time passed, but when we finished we both took a shower, smoked a cigarette and talked for a while.

I realy enjoyed the session, the girls and the place. I recomend her, will probably repeat.

Next time I will ask her to wear some lingerie for me, I always forget to do this.

Next, met Charlie outside and headed to Artemis.

Great experience.

Thanks Charlie for deciding to try and make them a call!

Kimino

[Velo Berlin]

weighing up the value-for-money equation between paying €240 for basically a wank versus having paid €320 for three fucks at Artemis a couple of days previously.

Or staying up to twelve hours, and fucking a dozen girls multiple times (including oral without and some anal) at Berlin's Erlbniswohnung for €90 (Monday to Friday) or €100 max, including all you can eat buffet and all the drinks you want?

Decisions, decisions.

Cheers

[Angus Magee]

...a pity you can't ask for a specific masseuse at Kashima, because if you could I would highly recommend Conny, who seemed to have a genuinely intuitive touch and gave me a wonderfully sensuous, teasing, arousing massage for three hours before finishing me off with a very trippy happy ending.

As far as I know you can request a specific masseuse when booking an appointment at Kashima. As long as the girl is working at the the time you are wanting to have the massage and is not otherwise booked. It is quite possible to book a couple days in advance if you need to.

AM

[Kbkbal]

Second visit to Berlin and second visit to Kashima, on Kantstraße. I dithered a bit on whether to cancel my appointment and go back to Artemis again (please see my report in the Artemis thread) , weighing up the value-for-money equation between paying €240 for basically a wank versus having paid €320 for three fucks at Artemis a couple of days previously. Decided to stay with Kashima on the basis that variety is the spice of life, and I'm glad that I did.

It's a pity you can't ask for a specific masseuse at Kashima, because if you could I would highly recommend Conny, who seemed to have a genuinely intuitive touch and gave me a wonderfully sensuous, teasing, arousing massage for three hours before finishing me off with a very trippy happy ending.

I practically floated out the door afterwards...