Berlin

[Grsd88]

Hi,

So myself and my GF are visiting Berlin from the 2nd to the 6th of February and we have never been involved in swinging sharing etc but both of us like the idea of it. We are looking to find out if their are certain clubs and nights that cater for maybe watching something laid back and getting involved without being hassled. She has said she would go somewhere to watch but when she is there things could change.

We both are interested in a one off share for her she said she would only do it with someone well endowed but I have been looking up sites to get chatting to people but their doesn't seem to be many other than craigslist.

Was hoping someone could give me some suggestions or point me in the right direction also the dress code in these sex clubs are they that strict could you get in with a black t-shirt and jeans we would not be into dressing in PVC. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Will be there myself around those dates and planning to visit some clubs.

[Josh Dales]

Sorry to hear about your experience. The behavior of the guys was regrettable but unfortunately for me understandable, at least to some degree.

The point is that single guys are treated like crap by these swinger clubs. They pay extortionately high entry fees compared to the other customers (couples and single girls) but yet the clubs do not try too hard to provide anything at all for these guys. They are treated like second class citizens despite the fact that if it wasn't for single guys most swinger clubs would fold. If swinging clubs insisted on couples only then most clubs would on average have only have 10 customers all night..

Excellent report and very valid points from Myrrh.

From "the couple side" experience, I can say that there generally are two types of couples that comes to swingerclubs. The first is usually a bit older, or not so fit couples, that hope to "exchange what they got" with some other couple in the club. Not so seldom (from years of global experience) the man is the driving force for the couple to go to the club, hoping to "trade up", if not only for a night.

The second type is normal couples where the wife is bisexual, and looking for other woman to play with. In this case the man is more than happy to share his wife / girlfriend in return that he get a threesome, or just the pleasure of banging his wife while she is doing a 69 with another woman. But he have no interest, or very little to share his wife with other men.

This type, the bisexual girlfriend couple, is in my experience by far the most common type of couple visiting clubs. And if you would push me for a number I would say 70-75 percent of the visiting couples fall into this category. (and as stated, they have no interest in men other than in a foursome, where she gets her kicks from the other woman, and the husbands get their share of fun to).

Then you have the very small amount of woman that want the GB experience, but they are such a rare and small fraction of the club visitors, so just lets call them the few odd ones.

So to answer the question why couples lock themselves in a room, is most likely that they did not come to the club for men, but for woman or another couple, and when not finding that, killing time together in a locked room, away from unwanted, sad, lonely, loser-men. (not my choice of words, but often described so by women).

Still Myrrh makes a excellent point, that without these single men, most clubs would not exist, but that is a thought that have struck very few women. (women and logical thinking is a chapter that we should leave out, as it would fill a whole library, and still come nothing good out of it).

On the Colombia forum part, Bogota thread, there is a good new post on the inside of thinking from the visiting couples perspective, Bogota post #4805.

My best advice for single men is to refuse to visit swinger clubs that do not have house ladies. That way the owner of the clubs have to make sure everybody gets somethings worth for their money. Clubs that do not care for those guests that's actually are paying for the whole club to keep working, should be shut down by refusing them your money.

However, just like strip clip joints, there are new idiots born every day, so the scam clubs will keep raking in money from these people also in the future. It just don't have to be on your expense.

Swinger clubs are just like the rest of the world: you get nothing for free, and if it looks to good to be true, then it is to good to be true.

Sadly, It's a hard, cold world. So save your time, money and compassion for those who are worth it to you personally here in the world. Most are unfortunately not.

Best of Luck, JD.

[Optimist]

As Myrrh says, swinger clubs are not reliable for the male half of couples or for single men. My wifeused to have a great time at swinger clubs when she threw herself to the wolves, but there are few women like her at swinger clubs. There is little action for single males unless they have great charisma of some kind. Of course soemtimes one can hit a jackpot (the night I came across a girl celebrating her 18th birthday by fucking 18 men), but normally the male partner has very little to do but watch.

I never found the men to be badly behaved (except one particular man), but that might be because the swinger club we went to had four or five paid service providers to act as satisfaction for unattached men.

[Myrrh]

Last time I visited Berlin I went to insomnia with my GF, in November. One thing that I did not enjoy were the five to six guys single guys (not together in a group), ages from 30 ish to 70 ish (two of them at least well over 60), that seemed to treat the 'Swinger's night' event as a gangbank event. I might be missing something here about etiquette in Germany / Insomnia, so maybe someone will think my review might not be fair, but it is my opinion nonetheless. In Insomnia there are no rooms that are 'off-limits'. The only place you get close to something like this, is one room that has see-through drapes. However, what annoyed me by these guy's manners were that they would just walk into the room without being invited. After being chased off by me, they would even some minutes later, return to try again. WTF. Again, I would maybe accept this in a gangbang night, but truly not at a swinger's event. Anyways, we met a couple and it was barely OK because of the continuous intrusions. I'm unsure if I would recommend couples joining on swingers nights based on my own experience with they single guys that evening. I regret not trying it at Saturday fuck night. I wonder if this is behavior that is OK in these kind of clubs in Germany or not?

Sorry to hear about your experience. The behavior of the guys was regrettable but unfortunately for me understandable, at least to some degree.

The point is that single guys are treated like crap by these swinger clubs. They pay extortionately high entry fees compared to the other customers (couples and single girls) but yet the clubs do not try too hard to provide anything at all for these guys. They are treated like second class citizens despite the fact that if it wasn't for single guys most swinger clubs would fold. If swinging clubs insisted on couples only then most clubs would on average have only have 10 customers all night.

Some swinger clubs provide 'house' girls but these girls provide far less value for money than the single guys would get if they went to a partytreff or gangbang club. For example in Insomnia the house girls pick and choose who they go with and almost all do not do blow jobs without condoms.

If I had a girlfriend who was into swinging I would do one of two things. Either leave her at home or take her to the swinger club and throw her to the wolves.

Yet, you have swinging couples who want to have their cake and eat it. They want to go to swinger clubs and get off on the fact that their fat, ugly, old wife or girlfriend (who no one would look at twice in real life) is being salivated over by a crowd of sex starved guys. But they expect everything to be under perfect control. They want to pick and choose which guy the girl goes with and expect the rejected guys to behave like well controlled lap dogs who sit, stay or run after the ball on command. They like to derive their enjoyment by prick teasing the guys and having sex in front of them but expect to guys to behave like they were polite members of an audience at an opera where no crowd participation is allowed.

But guys don't pay all that money to go to swinger clubs just to watch. They could do that by staying at home and watching porn instead.

All these long lists of rules for single guys that clubs like to put in place like couple only rooms and no touching unless invited don't really work because the guys will always push the envelope as far as they can. So if a couple go into a couple only room and lock the door then every 15 seconds some guy will come up and either knock on the door or try to open it. This will continue for as long as the couple are inside and will just act as a constant annoyance to them.

Anyway who are these couples who go to swinger clubs just to lock the door behind them in a private room and have sex just with each other?

Real chances for guys at swinger clubs are few and far between which is why if a guy gets half or even a quarter chance he will grab it. Otherwise the other guys will get in first and the chance will be gone.

If you are well behaved and wait until the green light from a couple is unambiguous then you could be waiting at the back of a queue for a long time. So you need to anticipate and not give couples the benefit of the doubt if you are to capitalize on your visit to a swinger club. Hence guys who are told no will return at a later time to try again just on the off chance that the couple have now changed their mind.

Guys who are normally well behaved at other venues like gangbang clubs and partytreffs end up catching the mood of desperation that prevails at these swinger clubs and will find themselves like the rest wandering furtively from room to room desperately looking for any scraps that they can find.

Even that German fella, whose name seems to have escaped my memory, who based his board name on swinging clubs realized that these were not the place for cheap and spontaneous sex and soon stopped going to them.

[JazzMan17]

Hi,

So myself and my GF are visiting Berlin from the 2nd to the 6th of February and we have never been involved in swinging sharing etc but both of us like the idea of it. We are looking to find out if their are certain clubs and nights that cater for maybe watching something laid back and getting involved without being hassled. She has said she would go somewhere to watch but when she is there things could change.

We both are interested in a one off share for her she said she would only do it with someone well endowed but I have been looking up sites to get chatting to people but their doesn't seem to be many other than craigslist.

Was hoping someone could give me some suggestions or point me in the right direction also the dress code in these sex clubs are they that strict could you get in with a black t-shirt and jeans we would not be into dressing in PVC. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[KenzoTange]

One thing that I did not enjoy were the five to six guys single guys (not together in a group), ages from 30 ish to 70 ish (two of them at least well over 60), that seemed to treat the 'Swinger's night' event as a gangbank event. I might be missing something here about etiquette in Germany / Insomnia, so maybe someone will think my review might not be fair, but it is my opinion nonetheless. In Insomnia there are no rooms that are 'off-limits'. The only place you get close to something like this, is one room that has see-through drapes. However, what annoyed me by these guy's manners were that they would just walk into the room without being invited. After being chased off by me, they would even some minutes later, return to try again. WTF. Again, I would maybe accept this in a gangbang night, but truly not at a swinger's event.

Sorry to hear about your experience at insomnia. I will (unfortunately) remember this if I bring a girl with me there.

[Piefke]

Last time I visited Berlin I went to insomnia with my GF, in November.

Thanks for the balanced information, ND!

Did you paid any money or was everything for free?

[Vito Corleone]

Hello again,

Last time I visited Berlin I went to insomnia with my GF, in November. It was our first time at this kind of club so both were kind of curious. We unfortunately didn't manage to go to the Saturday night fuck parties, which are rumored to be like clubbing but with good chance of hooking up with others, but ended up there on a Sunday. Swinger's night. That sounded pretty good as we were interested in maybe meeting a couple or whatever. I think it was on Wednesdays there were gangbang nights and we would rather meet a couple instead of single guys. Their website would also show potential guests visiting, something I appreciated. The interior of Insomnia is very clean and good looking IMHO. You also get drinks (except champagne on the house). I believe there were two house girls there when we came. One of them were getting fucked by two guys in the main room. Later, another or the same, I dk, was fucked and played with ++ by three other guys in another room side room with beds. One thing that I did not enjoy were the five to six guys single guys (not together in a group), ages from 30 ish to 70 ish (two of them at least well over 60), that seemed to treat the 'Swinger's night' event as a gangbank event..

Thanks for the great trip report!

[NordicDom]

Hello again,

Last time I visited Berlin I went to insomnia with my GF, in November. It was our first time at this kind of club so both were kind of curious. We unfortunately didn't manage to go to the Saturday night fuck parties, which are rumored to be like clubbing but with good chance of hooking up with others, but ended up there on a Sunday. Swinger's night. That sounded pretty good as we were interested in maybe meeting a couple or whatever. I think it was on Wednesdays there were gangbang nights and we would rather meet a couple instead of single guys. Their website would also show potential guests visiting, something I appreciated. The interior of Insomnia is very clean and good looking IMHO. You also get drinks (except champagne on the house). I believe there were two house girls there when we came. One of them were getting fucked by two guys in the main room. Later, another or the same, I dk, was fucked and played with ++ by three other guys in another room side room with beds. One thing that I did not enjoy were the five to six guys single guys (not together in a group), ages from 30 ish to 70 ish (two of them at least well over 60), that seemed to treat the 'Swinger's night' event as a gangbank event. I might be missing something here about etiquette in Germany / Insomnia, so maybe someone will think my review might not be fair, but it is my opinion nonetheless. In Insomnia there are no rooms that are 'off-limits'. The only place you get close to something like this, is one room that has see-through drapes. However, what annoyed me by these guy's manners were that they would just walk into the room without being invited. After being chased off by me, they would even some minutes later, return to try again. WTF. Again, I would maybe accept this in a gangbang night, but truly not at a swinger's event. Anyways, we met a couple and it was barely OK because of the continuous intrusions. I'm unsure if I would recommend couples joining on swingers nights based on my own experience with they single guys that evening. I regret not trying it at Saturday fuck night. I wonder if this is behavior that is OK in these kind of clubs in Germany or not? The female bartender was polite. I did not get to try any of the house girls. We probably left after an hour and the meeting with the couple. We didn't see any other couples arrive in that period. I'm unsure if I will try the club again.

[Wanking]

It's called Ego 24 dot de just opened December 8, brand spanking new, only problem no house girls, 50 to get in and spend the day there, they have smoking rooms, showers, a lot of rooms from have windows where you can watch, the only problem for me as that's a single guy I have zero chance of getting laid there, they do have some events coming up maybe I'll try one.

Thanks for the info. According to the site the entry fee is 15 euro. http://www.ego24.de/filialen/berlin/.

There is a market for such places even if there are no hired in ladies. Plenty of voyeurs like to hang out in these places, maybe watch some couples fucking, and watch some porn. Plus couples and single ladies do attend these swinger kino places regularly, and also guys bring in escorts. ID say there could be good pervy fun there for small money, Friday and Saturday night.

Id be happy to check out that place next-time in Berlin, if I have the time.

[KenzoTange]

Out of curiosity, what were your other options in the area like? That is, how many other girls were lurking in the area and how would you rate them, lookwise?

Girls around the LSD sex shop do not look great. The ones that walk around Mitte look much better, but they charge more as well.

[VonderJohn]

It's called Ego 24 dot de just opened December 8, brand spanking new, only problem no house girls, 50 to get in and spend the day there, they have smoking rooms, showers, a lot of rooms from have windows where you can watch, the only problem for me as that's a single guy I have zero chance of getting laid there, they do have some events coming up maybe I'll try one. The street walker seems really bad by the LSD, a lot of hard drug users there, and remember the first time you see a streetwalker that's the best she's ever going to look, not saying that you might find a gem, but I haven't, next insomnia this Thursday at least they have food you can smoke there and get laid anyway good luck guys.

Let's be straightforward: With no house girls, this club is useless for single guys. No single guy should waste time there.

[Naked Eye]

It's called Ego 24 dot de just opened December 8, brand spanking new, only problem no house girls, €50 to get in and spend the day there, they have smoking rooms, showers, a lot of rooms from have windows where you can watch, the only problem for me as that's a single guy I have zero chance of getting laid there, they do have some events coming up maybe I'll try one. The street walker seems really bad by the LSD, a lot of hard drug users there, and remember the first time you see a streetwalker that's the best she's ever going to look, not saying that you might find a gem, but I haven't, next insomnia this Thursday at least they have food you can smoke there and get laid anyway good luck guys.

[Eszpresszo]

Long time lurker here, thanks for all that information I received over the years I thought I contribute little bit, went Tinas-Oase don't bother going unless you really want to slum it, picked up a German chick near LSD, had a good time with her at the local hotel which was very clean and had a good time with her, tall blonde definitely not high class but She was submissive and perform very nice her name was Vanessa from Hamburg 80 for her and 20 for the room which was very clean.

Thanks for the update. This forum doesn't get enough attention, just as Berlin doesn't get much attention from mongers outside of Germany. Maybe its best that way. Out of curiosity, what were your other options in the area like? That is, how many other girls were lurking in the area and how would you rate them, lookwise?

[KarlMitte]

Hi guys,

Anyone have experience with Berlin girls giving whole length face fuck?

Karl.