Spermagames Bareback AO Gangbang Parties

[Leifeide]

I am definitely not talking about Ceejay, with whom I have no problems at all. My opinion is that SL's massive efforts for various AO forums was not appreciated as it should have been, in particular by you. These forums performs best when we can all behave and avoid low level criticism against each other. I respect that you apparently prefer young Romanian "slaves" whereas I prefer the mature german porn stars. Especially those who perform well. These forums are meant to be a help for us with this passion and I firmly believe that we should focus on that, nothing else. If someone is happy with a place I think it's only fair that he shares his view and experiences. No need to attack him for his opinions, no matter how much you disagree.

Peace and love.

Au contraire, Mon ami, I think it is actually good that there are some board members around like our Ceejay who are prepared to challenge the existing orthodoxy. We wouldn't want those SG MILFs sitting complacently on their spreading asses now would we?

Number 1 rule. This is supposed to be a discussion thread and not a promotional twitter feed for your current favourite German club.

[CeeJay1]

And yes, this is definitely more water tight than the GB01 approach, because I can't find a thing in the ProstSchG that would exempt porn production from the scope of application.

GB01 has been excessively cautious even before July 1 and I'm sure their fully conformed to the new laws. Actually they were preparing for this all along. Now their even offering to share the marketing license with the actors. If anything, they'll probably go overboard to keep within the new laws.

I don't want to rain on their parade, but I believe that this course of action will put the participating guys under full jurisdiction of the ProstSchG. So do as you please. But don't say you weren't warned when you get a fine for up to 25000 for fucking a prostitute without condoms. In this case, prosecution should happen very quickly, since there is physical evidence of the disorderly conduct in form of a film, a contract and an ID shot.

Are they banning all forms of pornography? I mean, unless there's a direct form of financial transaction for sexual services recorded there really is no proof that such activity is going on. The film would display sexual gratification by all involved parties, which would be the only consideration involved. Much akin to the conventional pornography made long before, during and after these new laws took place, which hasn't change much, such as contracts and custodian held ID records. That would mean all Pornography is surveillance footage of prostitution. Unless the Pope is in town and he's introducing a Motion Picture Pornography Code I doubt the cameras will stop rolling.

[Myrrh]

This forum have to my deep regret been dominated by a certain Englishman, and that does no good for the forum.

Au contraire, Mon ami, I think it is actually good that there are some board members around like our Ceejay who are prepared to challenge the existing orthodoxy. We wouldn't want those SG MILFs sitting complacently on their spreading asses now would we?

Number 1 rule. This is supposed to be a discussion thread and not a promotional twitter feed for your current favourite German club.

[Leifeide]

It is a pleasure to see you back here SL. I was starting to think that you had given it all up. This forum have to my deep regret been dominated by a certain Englishman, and that does no good for the forum.

It concerns me to read your views on the new law. I have no doubt that you know what you are talking about. Up to now I was determined to join GB01's event on Saturday.

I think I speak on behalf of many fellow mongers when I say that your efforts here on the forum is highly appreciated and we hope you will continue to contribute.

I can clearly see that it was completely pointless to return to this forum to straighten out some rumours. So I guess I'm going to quit again and you can see how you will do on your own.

The Regulatory Authority of the City of Rheinbach did already look into the new SG-Parties party-concept, after some Dirtbag competiotion had reported them. The concept got approved, they didn't find anything wrong with it, the party on July 6th went on undisturbed, with the few guests that had actually been there. 4 guest couples had been there and just around 20 men, one of them the one who told me about this. Too bad that I missed that party. The tests are still done because the guests want it like that. And private women who don't get recompense for sex are not covered by the ProstSchG, regardless whether the venue or event falls under ProstSchG applicability or not.

So the SG-Parties system works, despite of all the nonsense that's written here and elsewhere. Problem is that they can't run parties for just 15-20 guys. If they did, they'd be broke somewhere during next month. That's propably why they cancelled the Wlfrath-Party that was scheduled for July 11th. No use travelling halfway through Germany and back in order to take another loss.

And yes, this is definitely more water tight than the GB01 approach, because I can't find a thing in the ProstSchG that would exempt porn production from the scope of application.

Sure, if it's only some masturbation-porn flic with no other Persons involved, then that's not covered. If a woman gets herself a man (or more) for shooting porn for her own homepage, her MDH-Profile or some other platform and neither one of them gets any recompense for their sexual acts, than that's not covered by the ProstSchG either.

But I'm pretty sure, that GB01, as well as Spermastudio and MEGA-Extrem still have to pay the women a pay of artists for their action. If they don't pay them, then the law doesn't apply. If they do pay them, then that's a recompense for a sexual act, and the law applies, regardless whether it's a porn production or not. The exemption for "sexual acts of a solely acting nature" does not work here, because other Persons present are very much actively involved.

I had already suggested this course of action to Sexy-Susi nearly 2 years ago. Her husband then waved it away immediately, for the reasons I have just pointed out. Don't you thick that a clever guy like that would not have jumped at this opportunity immediately, if it were at all possible? Instead he was the first one to wave it away.

What will go on undisturbed are the porn shootings of Sexy-Natalie in NRW and Melanie Moon in Kaiserslautern, because neither of them is asking for any recompense for sex.

So you can fuck Melanie for free, if you bring a test of your own. If you have one done on-site, then it costs 30 , she has been doing her porn flics this way all year long. And she doesn't have to pay anybody for sex.

Others propably do. And whereas MEGA-Extrem seem to be on extended summer vacation (as usual) and Spermastudio seem to carry on as before as if nothing has changed, GB01 now declares that the parties that used to cost 100 are now for free, but the tests that used to cost 30 now cost 100 . And in addition, if you don't register more than 48 hours in advance for the production in Stuhr on July 15th, the test will cost 120 . Now who's going to believe that?

I don't want to rain on their parade, but I believe that this course of action will put the participating guys under full jurisdiction of the ProstSchG. So do as you please. But don't say you weren't warned when you get a fine for up to 25000 for fucking a prostitute without condoms. In this case, prosecution should happen very quickly, since there is physical evidence of the disorderly conduct in form of a film, a contract and an IDshot.

[CeeJay1]

Do I hope the SG approach works? To be honest I don't care either way. It is the same MILF, thick cut performers as before many of whom have attitude problems that are well documented. The only difference now is that you will have to sit through some boring 'crazy showtime / water dream act' shows before there is the chance of having any sex with the milfs.

After a few twirls on the pole, they would be doing you a favor by reminding you of their half-baked bodies and insipid attitudes, especially if their pole performance is no more intriguing then their past performance. The only hole you'll be running for is the door.

I just hope the randy male stripper does not come anywhere near me after his show!

Let alone, some of the women! Especially if you mixed them up with the male striper.

[Tiger Genius]

For sure some men don't go to the parties because of the new law but also if the parties are completely legal I'm not too much interested in parties like this with only 3 pornstars (especially if I don't like 1 or 2 of them and maybe some men didn't want to pay the same price for half of the women) and reading on SG website seems that they made only show therefore some men can think that they don't make sex and maybe are not interested to fuck amateurs.

I had very good sex with some amateurs, especially one in Karlsruhe, one in Ulm and one in Wulfrath and Rheinbach but isn't possible to know if an amateur will be in the party or not and some Others amateurs didn't like to have sex with every men.

In Wulfrath normally the amateurs are many and active but in the Others places I never found many women in the parties, 2-3 in Rheinbach, never more than one in Karlsruhe and Morfelden and 4 in Ulm but only one was possible to fuck for me while the Others choosed only few partners for sex.

For me the amateurs can be a good plus but not the reason for go to the parties and I don't know if I will made a trip to Germany again only for sex, but maybe I will be there for other reasons in September or October and I will try one party.

[SwingerLover]

I can clearly see that it was completely pointless to return to this forum to straighten out some rumours. So I guess I'm going to quit again and you can see how you will do on your own.

The Regulatory Authority of the City of Rheinbach did already look into the new SG-Parties party-concept, after some Dirtbag competiotion had reported them. The concept got approved, they didn't find anything wrong with it, the party on July 6th went on undisturbed, with the few guests that had actually been there. 4 guest couples had been there and just around 20 men, one of them the one who told me about this. Too bad that I missed that party. The tests are still done because the guests want it like that. And private women who don't get recompense for sex are not covered by the ProstSchG, regardless whether the venue or event falls under ProstSchG applicability or not.

So the SG-Parties system works, despite of all the nonsense that's written here and elsewhere. Problem is that they can't run parties for just 15-20 guys. If they did, they'd be broke somewhere during next month. That's propably why they cancelled the Wülfrath-Party that was scheduled for July 11th. No use travelling halfway through Germany and back in order to take another loss.

And yes, this is definitely more water tight than the GB01 approach, because I can't find a thing in the ProstSchG that would exempt porn production from the scope of application.

Sure, if it's only some masturbation-porn flic with no other Persons involved, then that's not covered. If a woman gets herself a man (or more) for shooting porn for her own homepage, her MDH-Profile or some other platform and neither one of them gets any recompense for their sexual acts, than that's not covered by the ProstSchG either.

But I'm pretty sure, that GB01, as well as Spermastudio and MEGA-Extrem still have to pay the women a pay of artists for their action. If they don't pay them, then the law doesn't apply. If they do pay them, then that's a recompense for a sexual act, and the law applies, regardless whether it's a porn production or not. The exemption for "sexual acts of a solely acting nature" does not work here, because other Persons present are very much actively involved.

I had already suggested this course of action to Sexy-Susi nearly 2 years ago. Her husband then waved it away immediately, for the reasons I have just pointed out. Don't you thick that a clever guy like that would not have jumped at this opportunity immediately, if it were at all possible? Instead he was the first one to wave it away.

What will go on undisturbed are the porn shootings of Sexy-Natalie in NRW and Melanie Moon in Kaiserslautern, because neither of them is asking for any recompense for sex.

So you can fuck Melanie for free, if you bring a test of your own. If you have one done on-site, then it costs 30 €, she has been doing her porn flics this way all year long. And she doesn't have to pay anybody for sex.

Others propably do. And whereas MEGA-Extrem seem to be on extended summer vacation (as usual) and Spermastudio seem to carry on as before as if nothing has changed, GB01 now declares that the parties that used to cost 100 € are now for free, but the tests that used to cost 30 € now cost 100 €. And in addition, if you don't register more than 48 hours in advance for the production in Stuhr on July 15th, the test will cost 120 €. Now who's going to believe that?

I don't want to rain on their parade, but I believe that this course of action will put the participating guys under full jurisdiction of the ProstSchG. So do as you please. But don't say you weren't warned when you get a fine for up to 25000 € for fucking a prostitute without condoms. In this case, prosecution should happen very quickly, since there is physical evidence of the disorderly conduct in form of a film, a contract and an IDshot.

[Myrrh]

Ok, so Jessy Jay, Linda Lush, Gundula, etc DO get paid, but do NOT perform sexual actions with the male guests present? Certainly a reason not to come to these "parties" anymore. Only the amateur couples / wifes who do it for free are available for sex? Much like a swinger club, and then indeed this is not covered bu the new law.

Or different things happen there than advertised?

So this is the brainwave that SG have been working on over the past 2 years since it became known that the law was coming into force?

SG will have the same performers as before but now they perform a few twirls around a pole and spray themselves with water in a 'water show' before towelling themselves down and then getting down to the gangbangs as they did before the law change. The performers get paid only for the strip shows and not for the sex which is gratis.

The authorities spent hundreds of thousands of taxpayers money on bringing in this new law but they did not see this coming? Who is going to volunteer to write to the authorities and say "Dear Mr Legislature, let me the first to tell you just how truly dumb you really are".

The authorities are not going to see through this farce and bring a court action that the strip shows are just a front for what is clearly illegal activity? The adverts for the events by SG make clear in writing that attendees are obliged to undertake an HIV test before they are granted entrance. So clearly sex is planned rather than the performers deciding, on the spur of the moment, that they were so turned on by the strip show performance that they had just given that they just had to have impromptu sex with the attendees for free right there and then.

Apparently this approach is far more legally water tight than the SS and GB01 approach of getting guys to register as actors for film productions? It would seem that you don't need highly paid lawyers if you can find a simple loophole like what SG stumbled upon.

Do I hope the SG approach works? To be honest I don't care either way. It is the same MILF, thick cut performers as before many of whom have attitude problems that are well documented. The only difference now is that you will have to sit through some boring 'crazy showtime / water dream act' shows before there is the chance of having any sex with the milfs.

I just hope the randy male stripper does not come anywhere near me after his show!

[Opium]

I booked into this July 11th event and lo and behold it was canceled due to a lack of interest.

http://www.sg-parties.com/

That's too bad as it appears that there were 12 couples booked to go as well. I was really looking forward to this.

[SwingerLover]

Wow, months of silence and now this comes out.........?

At least now I don't get to read Bullshit about a "law" that didn't exist last year.

Ok, so Jessy Jay, Linda Lush, Gundula, etc DO get paid, but do NOT perform sexual actions with the male guests present? Certainly a reason not to come to these "parties" anymore. Only the amateur couples / wifes who do it for free are available for sex?

What women do privately on their own time is no one's business than their own.

Question: Do you think a barkeeper is prohibited from having drinks at his workplace after his shift is over?

Here's another one: Do you think Gundula isn't allowed to let herself get fucked for free? Nuff said!

Much like a swinger club, and then indeed this is not covered bu the new law.

You got that right.

Or different things happen there than advertised?

Everything that's advertised happens.

Happily some organizers have better lawyers.

I doubt that. GB01 for instance don't seem to have any lawyers at all, judging from their ads. Be careful with having ID shots done; from now on this may or may not make you an accomplice or an auxiliary person / vicarious agent. And speaking of GB01: What exactly happened to the five-figure sum of money they collected 2 years ago, supposedly to be used to file a lawsuit against the ProstSchG?

Enjoy the non-sex strip shows SL!

Thanks, I will. They are quite good. And a very nice bonus in addition to all the fucking going on.

[Myrrh]

Wow, months of silence and now this comes out.........?!

First paid AO sex becomes banned in Germany and now this happens. Two pieces of extremely bad news in the space of just one week. I could understand everyone becoming so depressed over this that they would want to just give up.

[Maxime]

Wow, months of silence and now this comes out.........?

Ok, so Jessy Jay, Linda Lush, Gundula, etc DO get paid, but do NOT perform sexual actions with the male guests present? Certainly a reason not to come to these "parties" anymore. Only the amateur couples / wifes who do it for free are available for sex? Much like a swinger club, and then indeed this is not covered bu the new law.

Or different things happen there than advertised?

Happily some organizers have better lawyers.

Enjoy the non-sex strip shows SL!

[SwingerLover]

after July 1st, since then GB / parties / flat-rate / etc are forbidden in Germany (regardless with or without condom). Only closed/registered film productions willbe allowed.

Where in the world did you get that bullshit from?

As I already told and wrote numerous times on other occasions (not here on ISG though): Show me the paragraph in the prostitutes-protection law (ProstSchG) where it says that Gangbangs and Flatrate are forbidden! I had scrolled through the text of the "law" several times and couldn't find either of those words. Only the first "Referentenentwurf" from August 2014 had contained a ban of R.A.P.E.-gangbangs. But even that is not to be found in the actual "law" anymore.

As for the closed/registered film productions, you are beyond deluded.

I predict, that especially GB01 will be the first ones to be ground into mulch. Those guys obviously haven't read a single word of the "law".

Here's the basic turning point around which the whole thing revolves:

§ 2 ProstSchG: (1) 1 Eine sexuelle Dienstleistung ist eine sexuelle Handlung mindestens einer Person an oder vor mindestens einer anderen unmittelbar anwesenden Person gegen Entgelt oder das Zulassen einer sexuellen Handlung an oder vor der eigenen Person gegen Entgelt. 2 Keine sexuellen Dienstleistungen sind Vorführungen mit ausschließlich darstellerischem Charakter, bei denen keine weitere der anwesenden Personen sexuell aktiv einbezogen ist.

(2) Prostituierte sind Personen, die sexuelle Dienstleistungen erbringen.

Translation: (1) A Sexual Service is a sexual act of at least one Person on or in front of at least one other immediately present Person for recompense, or the allowance of a sexual act on or in front of the own Person for recompense. No Sexual Services are presentations of a solely acting nature, where neither of the other present Persons are actively involved.

(2) Prostitutes are Persons who provide Sexual Services.

In layman's terms: If a recompense (money or something else) is given for the provision of a sexual act, than that's a Sexual Service to which the "law" would apply.

Since GB01, Spermastudio, MEGA-Extrem and such have to pay the women a fee / salary / pay of artists (or however it's called, in Germany it's called a "Gage") that's a recompense for sexual acts and therefore a Sexual Service. So according to the ProstSchG, the actresses are prostitutes and the law applies. If the men don't have to pay for participating, that's beside the point; as long as the women get paid, § 2 (1) and (2) of the ProstSchG applies.

If the women don't get paid, then the "law" does NOT apply. That's the case if a woman invites guys to shoot a film for her MDH- Big7- AC-profile or some other movie-selling platform or her own homepage. Melanie Moon's filmshots for instance are NOT covered by the law, since she doesn't take any money for sexual acts; you only pay 30 € for the test, drinks and snacks and the use of the location, along with towels and showers. Like at this event tomorrow: http://frivolpartys.com/termine.html.

What's also not covered by the "law" is an AO gangbang like this one, where private women also don't get/take any money: http://fickanzeigen.net/sexpartys/in...?id=1498150976.

And SG-parties aren't covered by the ProstSchG either, since they have changed their party concept in a way that gets them off the hook completely. Since there are so many private couples at the SG-parties anyway, they don't employ any prostitutes at all. Therefore the "law" doesn't apply. The only recompense that is paid is the pay of artists for the showgirls and the male stripper. Since "presentations of a solely acting nature, where neither of the other present Persons are actively involved" are explicitly exempted from being defined as "Sexual Services", the "law" doesn't apply to that either. The ProstSchG doesn't apply to SG-parties. So go ahead and bang yourself silly! (The crying shame is that only 16 guys showed up for the party in Mörfelden on MON July 3rd for the 5 couples and 2 women that were there. Report on that will follow in the Bareback AO thread. I'll not post that here, because this thread is dead. There is no Spermagames anymore. It's SG-parties now.)

[Maxime]

Myrrh report is exactly my experience at SG, and since I refuse to go with old and heavy MILFS, I avoid SG and enjoy the (young) girls with good attitude at GB01 (most of them, at least, Jamie Jadon for instance is never a good bet, even not when at GB01).

[Tiger Genius]

This time I agree with Myrrh and for me the parties were better with the same old milfs but I was lucky to not find this women togheter in the same party when I decided to go in Germany.

The good news is that Angelina is announced for other parties after the last in Rheinbach as amateur, I think that for the organisers was easy to see the difference between her, Tara Sky and Roxxy in that party and they made a good move.