Bangkok Reports

[Catire]

Haha. Very good. True. And if you want to say it in a more casual way like a local I suppose, it is "what the crap." Native Thai speakers often get lazy with that "so" part and just drop it.

Mr. Tooms, I would have wagered a fair amount of money on your Thermae "go with flow" outcome and come out the winner.

One really nice girl I got from there, is an actual "freelancer" and I have only seen her in there that one time that we met. She's not a regular, as are 90% of the girls in there. (certainly on left side). For whatever reason she seemed to really like me and went out of her way to actually approach me / sidle up to me.

I told her could not function with condom, she said ok, but "finish outside'. Deal. That was a very very nice session. She was happy, I was happy. Last time I was in town I called her but she told me she was only free on Thursday night and we didn't touch base again.

The other one, that I have written about (the one quite popular with Japanese, and she's always on left side, in the back, ,was completely insistent on condom but for whatever reason I managed to make her feel comfortable with me and the real time Oraquik test did the trick (I tested us both). I showed her the outcomes, explained with Google on laptop, etc etc and only then did she agree. But that outcome was completely against all odds. BTW, she is really good at blowjobs, admittedly not something most Thai girls do well. I think her initial attitude was even a covered BJ. It was by some divine providence that I didn't just walk away from her, as I would have done with pretty much every girl given such attitude / views.

I'd never go with flow with any Thai working girl (if no condom is important to you) , your odds are less than 1 in 10. And as I've mentioned, I don't blame the girl (s) one bit, so I never pressure.

[EihTooms]

For those who don't know how to say Hello, in Thai, you say "so what the crap". The real thing is something like sawat dee krap, but if you say so what the crap, they think you are saying Hello,.

Haha. Very good. True. And if you want to say it in a more casual way like a local I suppose, it is "what the crap." Native Thai speakers often get lazy with that "so" part and just drop it.

[Smoothy]

I smiled at some of the better looking girls, said "Hello" in Thai

For those who don't know how to say Hello, in Thai, you say "so what the crap". The real thing is something like sawat dee krap, but if you say so what the crap, they think you are saying Hello,.

[EihTooms]

I wasn't particularly horny tonight but had a free night from the current regulars, went out for a walk in the very pleasant weather and thought I'd stop in Thermae around 9:30 PM for a quick soda and look around. The Asian Customer River was flowing pretty thick in the usual circle around the bar about that time. I made two cruises around in the River, got several big smiles and nice comments as I passed both sides and, yes, also a few averted gazes as I smiled at some of the better looking girls, said "Hello" in Thai and got zero response in terms of a smile back or a verbal reply. No biggie. I was mostly there for the soda and people watching.

I planted myself in the middle of the bar, occasionally sipping my soda and realized a well put together girl on the left side kept working it to get my attention. She was sending me a smile and a nod but seemed to be trying to be very careful about not attracting attention from the Asian Customer River cruisers while doing it. Like she stepped back a bit in her position in the left side line up and did her best to keep this little facial communication between the two of us as private as possible. It was kind of cute, actually. Of course, a couple of times I checked behind and around me to make sure it was actually me that she was "talking" to instead of some dude standing behind me. I hate it when I make a funny face and smile back to a girl across the room and it turns out she isn't "talking" to me at all. LOL.

She wasn't what I'd consider among the top 5% best lookers in the bar. But she certainly fit right in on the left side as among the better lookers who are usually on that side. She had all the Left Side Thermae basics in order; young, tallish, light skin, slim, well proportioned, good, even facial features, well quaffed, upscale looking compared to most FLs in the general area.

Ok, I was more or less on my way out anyway so after about 10 minutes of this I walk over to say Hi. Again in a slightly conspiratorial style but loud enough for me to hear, she says her name is Jane, that she really likes me and assures me she is very good and will take good care of me. I had decided a few months ago that I would not take another Left Side Thermae girl unless I had negotiated everything within an inch of all our lives before taking her. But for whatever reason, this time I just did not feel like getting into the whole condom condom condom discussion on such a pleasant, relaxed evening with the weather so comfortable and all (I can fuck only without a condom). So I just smiled back and said ok. She said, "3,000 baht". I said 2,000. She said, "2,500". I said ok. I was now committed to "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" regarding anything and everything that could possibly provide a finish for me. That is, either BBFS+CIP or a BBBJ+CIM. It was just a good night to see if there was anyone in Thermae or strolling along the street worth adding to my regulars stable I suppose.

Anyway, the whole time on the short walk to get a taxi and the several minutes we were in the taxi she kept saying how much she likes hansum man, only takes one customer per night, so happy she met me, she will be very good to me, blah, blah, blah.

In the room, she sat on my couch, opened her purse and asked me for the 2,500 baht now. Nope. I'll pay after, jing jing, really. "Oh, please, please, please, I need to know I will get money." Again, such a relaxed and pleasant evening. God, but confrontations of this kind are so boring in this country. I just wanted to "go with the flow", eat her pussy and "see what happens" tonight. Ok, sweetheart, here's 1,000 baht for now. I'll give you the rest after we boom boom or you give me a blowjob. "Ok, good. Thank you. I like you. No problem. I will be good for you."

After we each showered, separately at my request since she wanted us to shower together (I am just not into sex in the shower and would rather avoid setting the stage for it), she came out wrapped in a towel and right away started with the condom condom condom talk. I told her well, I can't boom boom with a condom but I have had a vasectomy (said it in Thai) and always get a medical check. She said, "Oh no, can only boom boom with condom." I said no problem (and really meant it), then you can give me a blowjob, ok? Big smile, "Yes, I can suck you no condom. But must wear condom for boom boom" Oh, I understand. And you will finish me inside your mouth? "Yes, no problem. I want to make you happy. You are a good man and hansum. I like you very much. Suck no condom ok, but must wear condom for boom boom." Yes, got it, really, I am really ok with that. Then we don't need to talk about condoms anymore, right?

So this is going to be an Oral Sex session. I'm good with that. And, who knows, we're still in "go with the flow and see what happens in the room" mode. It could lead to her changing her mind about demanding a condom for boom boom. I've heard that happens a lot out there these days.

It didn't happen this time. She seemed to absolutely love DATY. So many of them do. Faking it? Maybe. But again it was, "Ohhh, you good man. You very good. I like you too much. " Then, "I suck you now. I want to make you happy."

Yep, you guessed it. She was totally incapable of coordinating the mouth and hand movements in the same direction instead of the Taffy Pull move where the hand is moving in one direction and her mouth is going in another. Totally incapable of slowing the goddam hell down. Totally incapable of giving a blowjob really. Or, more likely, totally incapable of wanting to give me a blowjob. After about 6-7 seemingly interminable minutes of trying to show her how to move her hand and mouth in the SAME DIRECTION rather than in opposite directions, asking her as gently as possible to please for the love of god slow down, she pulls out an unwrapped condom from somewhere nearby and says with a smile, "You put this on we boom boom, ok?" No, honey, I told you I cannot boom boom with a condom. "We boom boom if you wear condom." No, if I wear a condom I cannot boom boom. "You no want to boom boom?" Oh, I love to boom boom. But I cannot boom boom wearing a condom. No feeling. Dai mai (cannot). "I have condom. We boom boom ok? I want."

End of session. She showers and gets dressed. She is still so chirpy and happy I am certain she thinks I am going to give her another 1,500 baht to go along with the 1,000 baht I have already given her. But I am not going to do that. Eventually, as I am slipping on my shoes to walk her down to the front door of my apartment building, she says with a smile, "You give me money now?" Oh no, honey, we did not boom boom and you did not give me a blowjob or take good care of me. I gave you 1,000 baht for what we did (I ate her pussy to what seemed like a pretty damn good finish. Wish I'd been her to feel that.), I will give you more only if we boom boom or you give me a real blowjob the way I told you to give me. Silence. It was such a relief not to hear the word "condom" again. I was tempted to give her a 100 baht tip just for that. But I fought off the temptation and won.

I walked her down to the ground level of my building and out to the soi. She asked if I would walk her to an area where there were taxis. Being a gentleman, of course I would and did. During the whole 5-6 minute walk, she kept asking if I would give her more money, 300 baht, for a taxi. Or more money in general. I said no problem, I would be happy to give you more money, 1,500 baht more money plus taxi money if we boom boom or if you give me a blowjob to a finish and take good care of me like you said you would. She wouldn't budge and neither did I. Off she went in a taxi. I suppose this might be one night she did have to return to Thermae to pick up a second customer. Oh well. Still, getting 1,000 baht just to have your pussy licked by a good, hansum man isn't a bad way to make a living. The weather really was perfect for a nice walk tonight.

[Nyezhov]

I'm a 6 month millionaire and if I want it, paying an extra $20 is nothing to me.

I'm old and go to Thailand because like it. So if I feel like banging a chick that I like, I don't care about Nickle and diming. And I rarely get refused. And the last time I did I showed the girl my bankroll, she grabbed me about half an hour later. So it goes, YMMV.

[Catire]

My report is old, for Early December 2018. I am indian and I could get a girl for an hour for 2. 5 k THB. Two different girls on two different nights, same damage. I am visiting again next month and will see if the rates are still same. Both girls were early twenties.

I agree. 2. 5 is obtainable.

But I'll say this. If they are going to clockwatch for that 2. 5 k, I'd rather say no clockwatching and you get 500 baht tip.

You won't get 2. 5 K with the girl I was referencing.

I think she is very very popular with the Asian customers. (specifically Japanese) She can come in at the end of the night. And will almost always land a customer. (at her price (s).

[Mayurp]

My report is old, for Early December 2018. I am indian and I could get a girl for an hour for 2. 5 k THB. Two different girls on two different nights, same damage. I am visiting again next month and will see if the rates are still same. Both girls were early twenties.

Goatscrot, seems to me that for a man in your shoes, these changes shouldn't particularly affect you much.

In fact, as a trusted "local" you should be able to put together a nice stable of "regular" real "semi-pros" - who will probably be fairly happy with 1. 5 k baht and perhaps taxi money. One would think you would get that price simply because you're local, trusted and reliable. And perhaps have even developed friendships with some of these girls.

So a man in your position shouldn't really even have to bother with Thermae (and I agree with your characterization of how the place has changed. You're completely correct) . So.

Is it just "the call of the 'strange' " LOL.

Not to disparage any Asians or Asian-Americans but the 3-3-3 or 4--4-4 line gets chuckles from one Thermae girl I know. And her clientele is 99% Asian / Japanese. She's also afraid of too large a tool, so perhaps it's the other 3's and 4's that cause the chuckle.

Can also confirm that Thai face / culture dictates that if she doesn't really want to go with you then she will jack up the price (which is her way of letting you know she's not really interested, but leaving you "face".

The girl I know regularly does this to Asian customers too. I then asked her, but what if he's willing to pay it? Her answer is, then she has to go with him.

I always pay the going rate with this girl I know. I don't think she'd ever give me a discount. She has serious bills to pay / lifestyle to uphold and that's why she's there LOL.

But. Our time is never rushed. And I get BBFS, the catch being that I have to get her off too. Ever since the first time, when she was multi-orgasmic with me, now I have to compromise (almost follow her demands LOL) on positions, technique, etc when I'm doing her "just right". but LOL All in all, not an unfair bargain.

P.S. One time I was standing with her outside and another girl walked up, and the "talk" was that she had done 6 short times that night LOLOLOL.

So dick size aside, what's really meaningful here is 3 K for 3 minutes. (or ok, even 13 minutes).

[Paolo99]

We exchanged LINE info and one of them offered to take me on a trip to see Hua Hin; never been there so we'll see.

In other terms, she offered you to pay for her holiday in Hua Hin. Don't forget you'll have to pay for every expenses (she might even try to make you pay for some barfines and some daily rates for herself also) and some of these girls are very annoying so try to know her a bit more before considering taking her anywhere for more than 1 day.

I think I've only seen one person sitting outside of Kasalong that I'd give a go for a BJ. Otherwise, I'll pay the couple hundred Bahts extra at 7-Heaven to get an attractive, young girl to provide the service.

For only a BJ, some girls from the two first bars are not bad in my experience. I would not consider going in the 7-heaven shop after reports of the gun related incident a few month ago.

[Paolo99]

I hope this was a one off experience, since I rather enjoy the idea of being with a non-pro girl.

Why would you think she was a non-pro? The fact she was a starfish and played with her phone doesn't make her a non-pro. She took 3 K baht for a lousy 1 shot and still complained, that makes her feel like a real pro, but a bad one. She probably does it on a daily basis.

[Francesco24]

Goatscrot, seems to me that for a man in your shoes, these changes shouldn't particularly affect you much.

In fact, as a trusted "local" you should be able to put together a nice stable of "regular" real "semi-pros" - who will probably be fairly happy with 1. 5 k baht and perhaps taxi money. One would think you would get that price simply because you're local, trusted and reliable. And perhaps have even developed friendships with some of these girls.

So a man in your position shouldn't really even have to bother with Thermae (and I agree with your characterization of how the place has changed. You're completely correct) . So.

Is it just "the call of the 'strange'" LOL.

Not to disparage any Asians or Asian-Americans but the 3-3-3 or 4--4-4 line gets chuckles from one Thermae girl I know. And her clientele is 99% Asian / Japanese. She's also afraid of too large a tool, so perhaps it's the other 3's and 4's that cause the chuckle..

I live in BKK too (even if just since 2011 so I missed every good time- and I am married (I think Goatscrot has a GF or wife too).

So in this situation isn't so easy to have a nice stable of "regular". I have just a few and it would be nice to have the option to find a new girl fast and simple. The first few years of 2010 had still some good experiences at shops like Mango etc, but lately even oilys have gone really downhill.

Surely single guys will have it easier.

[Catire]

Goatscrot, seems to me that for a man in your shoes, these changes shouldn't particularly affect you much.

In fact, as a trusted "local" you should be able to put together a nice stable of "regular" real "semi-pros" - who will probably be fairly happy with 1. 5 k baht and perhaps taxi money. One would think you would get that price simply because you're local, trusted and reliable. And perhaps have even developed friendships with some of these girls.

So a man in your position shouldn't really even have to bother with Thermae (and I agree with your characterization of how the place has changed. You're completely correct) . So.

Is it just "the call of the 'strange' " LOL.

Not to disparage any Asians or Asian-Americans but the 3-3-3 or 4--4-4 line gets chuckles from one Thermae girl I know. And her clientele is 99% Asian / Japanese. She's also afraid of too large a tool, so perhaps it's the other 3's and 4's that cause the chuckle.

Can also confirm that Thai face / culture dictates that if she doesn't really want to go with you then she will jack up the price (which is her way of letting you know she's not really interested, but leaving you "face".

The girl I know regularly does this to Asian customers too. I then asked her, but what if he's willing to pay it? Her answer is, then she has to go with him.

I always pay the going rate with this girl I know. I don't think she'd ever give me a discount. She has serious bills to pay / lifestyle to uphold and that's why she's there LOL.

But. Our time is never rushed. And I get BBFS, the catch being that I have to get her off too. Ever since the first time, when she was multi-orgasmic with me, now I have to compromise (almost follow her demands LOL) on positions, technique, etc when I'm doing her "just right". but LOL All in all, not an unfair bargain.

P.S. One time I was standing with her outside and another girl walked up, and the "talk" was that she had done 6 short times that night LOLOLOL.

So dick size aside, what's really meaningful here is 3 K for 3 minutes. (or ok, even 13 minutes).

[Robert Long]

When I have an experience like that, the session is called off immediately when there is no performance and the gal gets a few hundred Baht. They will continue to pull those stunts as long as guys accept it and pay full rate. Of course my interview is usually a bit more in depth, but even then it's a crap shoot. You'll probably get better performance out of a 1-1. 5 k Baht Soi 4 gal. It won't be any worse and you will not have spent 3 k for a big bag of nothing. I know very few dudes who are getting performers out of Thermae these days.

Although I have pulled some good ladies out of Thermae, your report sums up what is happening. They are treating us like they treat the Asian Johns. No respect and a fast session. I have heard that from guys that pull from the Bars also. The ladies feel they are in charge and when you finish they go. They want to get back and pull another John and the cuter they are the better of a chance they will succeed.

I don't go after the 8's and 9's, for the very reason discussed. I just want a good BBBJ and a good fuck. Attitude is everything and if she has it, we go.

RL.

[CzarNicholas]

I've been here living here for almost two decades. The two-week millionaires have always had little effect on the overall price. There were just not the many of them when compared with expats and visitors who paid 1 k to the gals. Gals have always used the high price technique to scare away dudes they did not want to go with. Personally, I moved here when the Baht was well over 40 and saw it tumble to the low 30's well before the current strength it's experiencing against all currencies, including Asian ones. Yes, the exchange rate has had an effect, but when we look just at the Baht price, the cost has risen significantly over the last few years. The one factor that is constant in those years is the increasing number of Asian punters and the decreasing number of Western punters. Even back when the Japanese started coming to Thermae about 01, they tended to pay more. After the closing of the Siam City Coffee Shop in the mid-00's, which was the Asian Thermae and where most gals were priced at 1500 Baht as opposed to 1 k Baht Thermae, Asian customers started coming to Thermae in droves and the atmosphere, which was a party every night with some quite aggressive gals, changed and prices hit their first increase..

I'd love to discuss how this evolved!

Great post, many thanks.

(I'm no BKK expert, but I believe "someone" is telling many of them not to? Same as Angeles city).

[Goatscrot]

Gents,

Since we're on the topic of Thermae, I thought I'the throw in my experience. I haven't written a field report for it yet, but I'll throw this out here for now. I went to thermae around 10 pm on a Saturday night, which I know isn't the best, but I still found this short and cute girl on the left side. She did make eye contact, smiled, and came over to me when I beckoned, so I took that as a good sign. During negotiations, I only managed to talk her down to 3 k from 3. 5 k, and she agreed to BBBJ and CFS. When we flagged a taxi she seemed mildly surprised and annoyed I lived south of Lumpini park, which I guess is rather far for her to travel back and forth? Anyways, we get to the Airbnb and she insists on just cleaning up by herself, no showering together. Afterwards, she just jumped in bed and started playing on her phone. Whatever, she was pretty damn cute, and I was looking forward to taking her. When I got started, however, she became this starfish. And even had the nerve to look at her watch and tell me to hurry up. I was quickly losing interest and motivation down there, so told her I was done about 10 minutes in. And then she got up and checked my condom, of all things. I hope this was a one off experience, since I rather enjoy the idea of being with a non-pro girl.

When I have an experience like that, the session is called off immediately when there is no performance and the gal gets a few hundred Baht. They will continue to pull those stunts as long as guys accept it and pay full rate. Of course my interview is usually a bit more in depth, but even then it's a crap shoot. You'll probably get better performance out of a 1-1. 5 k Baht Soi 4 gal. It won't be any worse and you will not have spent 3 k for a big bag of nothing. I know very few dudes who are getting performers out of Thermae these days.

[Goatscrot]

It's always someone else's fault that the farang are priced out instead of our own. Older retired ex-pats on a limited budget due to not being employed anymore is priced out not because of his limited buying power but because of some asinine comment like 4 minutes, 4 inches, and 4000 baht. Current mongers from the UK and Australia are being priced out not because the exchange rate sucks but because some Asian guy is overpaying. Nevermind that there are still many 2 week farang millionaires coming from the USA inflating the price as well.

Blame can be shared all the way around. 2 week millionaires from the USA & Asia, weak exchange rates if you come from the UK or Australia, backwards Thai thinking of charging more when it's slow, and simply bars just being more greedy than ever before which is the most obvious reason. Tiered bar fines based on time and / or coyote / agency girls, bill padding double lady drinks, known gogo bar scams, and BGs just being a starfish and looking for a reason to cut short a session all either drive up prices or give a sense of little to negative value.

There's always the famous saying that a TG will charge more if she doesn't really want to go out with you. It could be that farangs are getting prices bumped higher now that the Asians are in town. But really it's a large mix of everything I've listed out that's affecting us.

I've been here living here for almost two decades. The two-week millionaires have always had little effect on the overall price. There were just not the many of them when compared with expats and visitors who paid 1 k to the gals. Gals have always used the high price technique to scare away dudes they did not want to go with. Personally, I moved here when the Baht was well over 40 and saw it tumble to the low 30's well before the current strength it's experiencing against all currencies, including Asian ones. Yes, the exchange rate has had an effect, but when we look just at the Baht price, the cost has risen significantly over the last few years. The one factor that is constant in those years is the increasing number of Asian punters and the decreasing number of Western punters. Even back when the Japanese started coming to Thermae about 01, they tended to pay more. After the closing of the Siam City Coffee Shop in the mid-00's, which was the Asian Thermae and where most gals were priced at 1500 Baht as opposed to 1 k Baht Thermae, Asian customers started coming to Thermae in droves and the atmosphere, which was a party every night with some quite aggressive gals, changed and prices hit their first increase. Gone were the uber-fun gals dancing by the jukebox, the gals grabbing your crotch as you walked by saying, "F*ck with you tonight," and boom, 1500 as opposed to 1 k. And in came gals who would not go with Western guys. Personally I found the changes to be quite drastic as early as 07 and went from being a 3 to four night a week patron to being a few times a month then. And that had nothing to do with price but because it was no longer a "fun" place to hang out. Over the next decade the number of Western dudes kept declining and the atmosphere kept changing, until we see today's Thermae, 3 k gals, dressed conservatively, standing against the side, trying to act demure, not drinking, not dancing, projecting a kind of faux innocent politeness, with a myriad of dudes walking around in circles. Reminds me of a bad middle school dance with gals on one side and boys on the other. Not to mention gals who will completely ignore you or look away from you if you are Western and try to talk to them. Do you realize how rude and insulting that is here in Thailand?

With all due respect, the comment 4/4/4 or 3/3/3 is really not asinine. Demeaning yes, so for sure not a nice comment. Asian guys have always paid more, are smaller as a group if you look at statistics as far as size, and have very different performance expectations and you can verify this with gals that go with them. And the Asian punter far outnumbers the Western punter and will continue to do so. And to make matters worse, very few of the Asian dudes you see in Thermae are expats. Just like the GoGo scene it is for tourists now. I'll still contend that the number one factor with price increases in Thermae is the vast number of Asian tourist punters.