American Politics

[PVMonger]

Trump being banned from Facebook and Twitter only demonstrate their lack of respect for free speech.

Being called "traitor" by a deranged libtard like you is a compliment.

Think of trump's moronic tweets (et al) as "wedding cakes for gay couples" and Twitter et al as "Christian bakeries with a moral objection". Get it now?

[Spidy]

The one place where a judge allowed a voting machine to be examined, there was a 70% error rate. All the other judges did not allow the machines to be examined.

If you choose not to accept the outcome, and cling to some other alternative reasoning, then that your choice. We all take solace in what we believe to be true.

People riot when there is not a fair court system.

I think a more accurate statement is, that people riot (or protest) when they feel an injustice has been levied against them by an imposing authority. Sometimes it take very little, such as an apology, to right a wrong.

In Georgia, Trump charged election officials of kicking out neutral election observers and sneaking in ballot boxes. Those unobserved counters scanned in 24,000 votes, and Trump lost the state by 12,000.

Sure that was the claim made, but none of it was substantiated. Anyone can make unsubstantiated claims, "Agent Orange" makes several a day. Proof is in the pudding. Where is the evidence? The Burden of proof?

When Rudy Giuliani, argued this very same discrepancy in the courts with video evidence, he failed to show the entire video footage. Those so called "sneaked in ballot boxes", were securely locked ballot boxes, that were already there and tucked away under tables, just before the ballot counters were told to go home. Then these poor unfortunate, exhausted and tired ballot counters were ask to comeback and continue working. So they re-open the securely locked ballot boxes they had just locked away. Giuliani, ONLY SHOWED the portion of the video where, it looks like they come in and opened newly so called "sneaked in ballot boxes". When in fact they had been there all along. The judge saw right through Giuliani's and Republicans' charades.

Even Republican appointed election and committee overseers have ALL stated there has been NO ELECTION FRAUD. NO ELECTION FRAUD or VOTER FRAUD!

Qualified lawyers (on both sides Rep. / Dem.) have argued and deliberated, many of the same arguments you've mentioned (especially Georgia) and Republicans lost in every case and were overwhelmingly defeated in every state they contested. I am not a lawyer, but if you happen to be pretty good lawyer and know the ins and outs of electoral constitutional voting laws. Then perhaps your arguments have more weight than I give them credit. By all means enlighten us, some more.

I will say this much, IMHO of any system that is broken (ie. Democracy, Capitalism, the Justice System, the Police, Corporate Welfare, Health Care, Economic Inequity, Housing. Etc), the Election Counting / Certification of Americans voting at the Ballots, isn't one of them. Both Democrats and Republicans take this part of their Democratic Constitution very, very seriously. (Well that is up until "Agent Orange" decided on a "no loose. Mus win by any means presidential gambit".).

Now I'm not talking about gerrymandering, voter suppression or a myriad of other tricks and traps, that BOTH PARTIES employ, but the official count, once the ballot has been placed in the ballot box. I think this is very sacred to both sides in order to ensure fair and just democracy. Time and time again electoral officials have stated the error rate of electoral voting count is very minor and does not impact the outcome.

Of course, you do not care about that Paulie as long as your side wins.

Now that cheating is allowed the Republicans will do it 10 X more viciously than Democrats and you all are going to lose your asses next time. That is what always happen, and I hate that. There would have been no riots had these fraud cases been heard. Their being dismissed was complete bullshit.

In 2016, I thought that dear Ol'Hillary and Democrats won, especially with a convincing 7+ million in the popular vote. I feel even more gutted today, knowing that they stopped counting in several states (ie. Florida) and did not take into account the uncounted mail-in votes. Those votes may have given the Democrats the win. Not to mention losing to Bush in the courts in 2000. But hey, I guess those are the breaks. Naturally is just all speculation...right? So you win some, you lose some.

So to say cheating is "NOW ALLOWED", well that maybe a bit disingenuous and a bit of an oxymoron. I submit that, the unfortunate pastime of political "cheating" in US politics as always been present. Just take a look at, gerrymandering, voter suppression, voter redistricting, the removal of hundreds of voting stations in black / brown districts, the striking of 10's of thousands of black / brown registered voters off voter registration lists, but to name a few. My personal favorite is, the removal of mail-boxes, mail sorting machines and limited postal workers, from all over the country, right before a general election. Most all of these, have been long standing methods of "cheating".

Personally, I think the Republicans are way better cheaters than the Democrats. Let me say, some of the doozies, that they came up with this time, was just jaw-dropping Machiavellian guile. Look, when COVID-19 sought to make voting even more difficult with longer lines and longer hours, especially in black / brown districts with 1 polling station in the nearest 10-15 miles. Republicans thought to themselves "yippie!

• But then COVID-19 helped more people realize (especially COVID-19 fearing Democrats), ". Hey no problem, we'll just vote by mail".
• But in true Machiavellian fashion and not be out done by COVID-19 and mail-in voters, Republicans hatched a scheme to remove as many US mail-boxes, mail sorting machines and limit postal worker schedules, as much as they possibly can, from all over the country.
• Man, did I laughed my socks off, "...Ahhhhh! Genius! Pure genius! I literally laughed out loud. I was laughing so hard, I was crying...Kkkkkk! And with "Agent Orange", declaring voting by mail to be fraudulent, it was an icing on the cake.
• Ahh yes! But like "Best laid plans of mice and men", it was not to be.

Both parties know how the game is played. I'm just not sure why the Republicans are still crying in their beers. But fear not, much like yourself, I too think Republicans with return, with even more insidious schemes, even more Machiavellian plans and I for one can wait to see how they top the scheme to remove as many mail-boxes & mail sorting machines as they possibly can, from all over the country. Genius! Pure genius!

[GDreams]

In Georgia, Trump charged election officials of kicking out neutral election observers and sneaking in ballot boxes. Those unobserved counters scanned in 24,000 votes, and Trump lost the state by 12,000.

So a lawsuit is filed by a Georgia citizen. The judge tosses the case and cites three reasons: the person suing did not have a standing (usual way judges blow off cases), the citizen should have sued before the election, and my personal favorite the legislature does not have to be a state's elected body. In this case, Georgia voting law was not determined by the legislature but between a Republican (the one who outed Trump) and a Democrat suing him. If there is not a more fucked up way to come up with election rules, I cannot believe it because to change the law all you have to do is pay off this one guy. It is a fucking joke.

So why were the election observers kicked out? No one was deposed so no one knows and no one cares. Where did the ballot boxes come from and who are these people? No one was deposed so no one knows and no one cares.

Trump lost regarding observers because there were observers still present. As Trump's lawyer responded to the judge there was a non zero number of observers.

The Georgia votes were recounted twice. The recounts added a few hundred net votes to Trump when it was found a memory card from a machine was not included. The paper ballots were compared to the machine totals and found no errors.

Georgia elections were run by Republicans. Do you really think they were working to "Steal" votes from their candidate?

None of Trumps lawsuits claimed fraud because there was no proof of any fraud and if the lawyers claimed fraud without evidence they would face sanctions by the courts.

Everyone knows Trump is a pathological liar. All he has done is lie about the fraud to scam donations from his simpleton followers.

The Justice department has found no evidence of fraud, the recent prosecutor appointed in Georgia has commented that he was surprised given all the claims that there are no cases that support prosecutions.

The reality is Trump completely mismanaged the coronavirus response, his rhetoric turns away anyone but his fanboys, his actual achievement has been almost non existent apart from his over exaggerated boasting.

It is hardly a surprise that he lost. The only surprise is the 75 m simpletons that voted for him. What future does the US have when there are so many stupid people running around!

[EihTooms]

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And all the polls say Trump is going to lose and the Dems will pick up seats in the house, and the Republicans win seats and Trump loses? That stinks to high heaven.
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Most of us cherry pick individual poll questions and results we are either in love with or hate. For example, one poll says Biden is ahead 14 points, that one gets stuck in our head and we forget the ones that only had him ahead by 3 points. Therefore, it is always more informative to look at the consensus of polls and where they are trending, not just at one poll or one poll question here and there.

Further, a poll is only a snapshot in time for what would happen "if the election were held today." As late as mid/late-October there is still a lot campaigning, advertising, lying about themselves and the other guy to do and that can and often does change the direction of the polls and the results. There is also the potential "Comey Late October/Early November Surprise" possibility.

So the most reasonable assessment of polls vs actual election results will be a consensus of the polls just 2-3 days or closer before election day. For the most part, that will tell you how accurate to within a normal +/-Margin of Error they were earlier as well, "if the election were held today." In that respect, the consensus of polls for the 2020 election was as remarkably accurate within a normal +/-Margin of Error as they usually are, which is quite accurate.

Probably the two most famous consensus of polls sites are FiveThirtyEight and RealClearPolitics. Here were their final forecasts for the 2020 election:

FiveThirtyEight Final 2020 Election Forecast
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...tion-forecast/
(scroll down for the final U.S. Senate and U.S. House forecast buttons)

Biden was "Favored" to win the White House. He did. The Democrats were "Favored" to win the Senate with an 80% chance of holding between 48 and 55 seats. They did. The Democrats were "Clearly Favored" to win/retain the House (They did) with an 80% chance of winding up with at least 225 seats. They wound up with 222 seats. I'm going to call that damn close to nailing it well within a normal +/-MoE. If the final forecast had been Republicans were "Clearly Favored" to flip 50 seats and win control of the House then I would agree this consensus was horribly wrong. But it wasn't.

The Democrats won a rather historic Dem win in the House just 2 years ago, flipping 41 seats in districts that were heavily gerrymandered to within an inch on either side of every Republican in the area and flipping control of the House. It is not particularly shocking to me that in a huge turnout election this time around 10 of those seats snapped back to the Republicans.

RealClearPolitics Final Electoral Map Forecast, No Toss Ups
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep..._toss_ups.html

The consensus of polls here pretty much nailed it, too. Just switch Florida for Georgia (both close enough to fall within a normal +/-MoE) and they would have gotten it 100% right.

[Elvis 2008]

Love that you call Paulie an arrogant blowhard and then procede to write a fucking fictional novel full of arrogance.

What part was fiction you arrogant blowhard?

[ScatManDoo]

My God, Paulie, you are such an arrogant blowhard.

Elvis, you are still an ignorant sluut!

In Georgia, Trump charged election officials of kicking out neutral election observers and sneaking in ballot boxes. Those unobserved counters scanned in 24,000 votes, and Trump lost the state by 12,000.

So a lawsuit is filed by a Georgia citizen. The judge tosses the case and cites three reasons: the person suing did not have a standing (usual way judges blow off cases), the citizen should have sued before the election, and my personal favorite the legislature does not have to be a state's elected body. In this case, Georgia voting law was not determined by the legislature but between a Republican (the one who outed Trump) and a Democrat suing him. If there is not a more fucked up way to come up with election rules, I cannot believe it because to change the law all you have to do is pay off this one guy. It is a fucking joke..

This has to be quite the headscratcher of a fraud case.

There are 24,000 ballots allegedly scanned at a specific period of time when election observers were removed, and then let back in to continue observing the vote count.

And this is reported:

So why were the election observers kicked out? No one was deposed so no one knows and no one cares. Where did the ballot boxes come from and who are these people? No one was deposed so no one knows and no one cares.

The real question though is what was the vote total on those 24,000 votes. So if all 24,000 votes were for Biden, would you be saying there was no fraud? Knowing you, you probably would but a rational person would say that is proof of fraud.

So what were the vote totals? Nobody fucking knows. If there were 12,000 for Biden and 12,000 for Trump, that would be proof there was no fraud.

So it is alleged that 24,000 votes were counted when the election observers were not allowed to observe the counting of ballots.

Why didn't these election count observers actually observe the vote count before they left the room and again when they returned?

If not, these appear to be the worst election observers that ever existed. My guess, regular republicans.

[ScatManDoo]

People riot when there is not a fair court system.

The one place where a judge allowed a voting machine to be examined, there was a 70% error rate. All the other judges did not allow the machines to be examined.

Are you referencing the Dominion Voting Systems machines in Antrim County, Michigan? If so, that was something Trump lied about on Twitter (gee, what a surprise!) and the fraud rumor was debunked. If you are not talking about Antrim County, then where?

What Judge?

Report spreads debunked claims about Dominion machines in Michigan county.

By Ali Swenson.

December 15,2020.

Claim: A report released this week in Michigan shows Dominion Voting Systems machines in Antrim County, Michigan, were "intentionally designed with inherent errors to create systemic fraud and influence election results."

AP'S assessment: False. This report rests on falsehoods about a human error in Antrim County and about Dominion machines, according to state and local officials. The initial vote reporting error in Antrim County was isolated and has been identified and explained by election officials. It was caused by a clerk's failure to update media drives for certain tabulators to reflect the correct ballot content. It was not a machine problem.

[RandMcNasty]

My God, Paulie, you are such an arrogant blowhard.

Love that you call Paulie an arrogant blowhard and then procede to write a fucking fictional novel full of arrogance.

[Spidy]

https://meaww.com/tucker-carlson-acc...racism-harvard
Black supremacists will play a big part in Bidens administration.

My web browser blows up and warns me not to go to this site. Any other reliable sources?

[Elvis 2008]

Ten House Repubs voted for impeachment, and they are great, principled Americans.

Trump unleashed a mob of deluded bigots on the capital, all of whom believed the stolen election myths of the demagogue. And these were not desperate people, but people with jobs, or as we found in some cases, deadbeat stay at home dads living off their wives.

My God, Paulie, you are such an arrogant blowhard. The reason there were riots after George Floyd is because the cops killed someone and the black community thought the cops would get away with it. The reason is the idiots at the Supreme Court have given cops a pass through qualified immunity. If a doctor does something leading to a patient's death, he gets sued. Even when it was determined that the cops were at fault and killed someone, the families rarely got a settlement. I know of only two cases were people were wrongly and brutally savaged by police where damages were awarded. Two!

People riot when there is not a fair court system.

The one place where a judge allowed a voting machine to be examined, there was a 70% error rate. All the other judges did not allow the machines to be examined.

In Georgia, Trump charged election officials of kicking out neutral election observers and sneaking in ballot boxes. Those unobserved counters scanned in 24,000 votes, and Trump lost the state by 12,000.

So a lawsuit is filed by a Georgia citizen. The judge tosses the case and cites three reasons: the person suing did not have a standing (usual way judges blow off cases), the citizen should have sued before the election, and my personal favorite the legislature does not have to be a state's elected body. In this case, Georgia voting law was not determined by the legislature but between a Republican (the one who outed Trump) and a Democrat suing him. If there is not a more fucked up way to come up with election rules, I cannot believe it because to change the law all you have to do is pay off this one guy. It is a fucking joke.

So why were the election observers kicked out? No one was deposed so no one knows and no one cares. Where did the ballot boxes come from and who are these people? No one was deposed so no one knows and no one cares.

The real question though is what was the vote total on those 24,000 votes. So if all 24,000 votes were for Biden, would you be saying there was no fraud? Knowing you, you probably would but a rational person would say that is proof of fraud.

So what were the vote totals? Nobody fucking knows. If there were 12,000 for Biden and 12,000 for Trump, that would be proof there was no fraud.

And all the polls say Trump is going to lose and the Dems will pick up seats in the house, and the Republicans win seats and Trump loses? That stinks to high heaven.

These riots and the BLM riots had the EXACT same cause: an incompetent federal judiciary.

And now the way it stands, we know those fucking judges won't do anything if there is cheating, and that puts the integrity of the whole system at risk.

Now it is no longer who gets the most votes but who cheats the best.

Of course, you do not care about that Paulie as long as your side wins.

Now that cheating is allowed the Republicans will do it 10 X more viciously than Democrats and you all are going to lose your asses next time. That is what always happen, and I hate that. There would have been no riots had these fraud cases been heard. Their being dismissed was complete bullshit.

[Chocha Monger]

LMFAO! They are most certainly not "heroes". They are black supremacists. Just look at the deranged woman Biden thought was a good pick:

https://meaww.com/tucker-carlson-acc...racism-harvard

Black supremacists will play a big part in Bidens administration.

Too bad white liberal Americans wants to destroy the country. USA is on the path to become the next South Africa or Zimbabwe, a no-go area for white people.

I guess the "black supremacists" decided that hundreds of years of white supremacy was not working out for them. White liberal Americans will do just fine in the new America. White supremacists not so much. LOL! Yes. The Blacks are taking their rightful place alongside woke Whites in politics and the private sector. The Blacks even marrying and breeding with Whites to create a new race. The inbred domestic terrorists who defiled the Capitol know that their time is ending. Agent Orange was very helpful in exposing them so that the FBI and DHS can better root them out and deal with them. Hahaha!

[ScatManDoo]

Donald J Trump
A name that will be associated in American history with the likes of Benedict Arnold, Joe McCarthy, George Wallace, and Richard Nixon.

You made this post around nine weeks ago.

Clear thinking.

[ScatManDoo]

Revealed: MAGA rioter who walked huge Confederate flag through US Capitol stormed building with his son who smashed to lead the mob into Congress.

Kevin Seefried and his son, Hunter Seefried, of Laurel, Delaware, turned themselves into the FBI in Wilmington, Delaware on Thursday.

Kevin Seefried has been identified by investigators as the man who carried the Confederate flag into the United States Capitol during the MAGA mob riot on January 6.

Seefried and his son, Hunter, are both charged with misdemeanor counts of trespassing and disorderly conduct. Hunter also faces an additional charge of destruction of property.

Kevin told investigators that he brought the Confederate flag from his home, where he normally flies it outside the residence.

Hunter is alleged to be cleaning up part of the glass from the window that was shattered just moments before he and scores of other rioters climbed through and into the Capitol building.

The father and son are alleged to have been part of a group that 'verbally confronted' several Capitol Police officers.

The two men were photographed alongside other prominent MAGA rioters, including the 'QAnon Shaman' Jacob Chansley and Aaron Mostofsky, the son of a Brooklyn Supreme Court judge.

Stockholm University in Sweden has made 2-year "Visiting Professor" contract offers to both father and son to adjust their rankings among educational institutions.

[ScatManDoo]

Trump being banned from Facebook and Twitter only demonstrate their lack of respect for free speech.

Being called "traitor" by a deranged libtard like you is a compliment.

On January 7th Mark Zuckerberg said the company was banishing Trump for using the platform to foment a violent riot in the District of Columbia a day before.

Zuck demonstrated his commitment to public safety, where Impeachment Boy has none.

[ScatManDoo]

I saw it on three real networks and Fox.

Well there you go, the mainstream narrative where you've learned to internalize the commands of your oppressors.

They deliver a clearer picture than the tin foil hat apparatus you prefer.