Cartagena Reports

[OnFireBoy]

I think it would be better if you negotiate with a girl here in Cartagena, I don't see any point in bringing a girl from Cucuta, when there are many to choose from here, I can help you with that, so you don't worry about being robbed or something like that, just send me a PM.

I am in the process of planning my maiden trip to Cartagena and Colombia, with plenty of prior experience in SEA.

Over the years, I've found that regularly changing girls isn't always great. I often think to myself, "I wish I had kept yesterday's model, because tonight's ain't working for me". Therefore if I find one that does work, I usually keep them on. The idea of a Venezuelan is appealing because you can be pretty sure that they will have no local family attachments, so 24/7 is possible. That's what I find so appealing about SEA with many girls not being local to the area where they work.

I have a trip planned for 28 nights. What are the chances that for 250 k a day, I might find a girl, probably a Venezuelan because of the economic situation, that would be interested in a deal for a month? It would also involve regular shopping trips for about 100 k daily. I believe that GFE, deserves BFE in return.

Plan be, involves a side trip to Cucuta near the VZ border. Flights are typically in the region of about $50 one way. Spending a day or two conducting "job interviews", and importing the successful candidate to Cartagena. Any thoughts on either idea please?.

[Mr Enternational]

I really can't make up my mind what troubles me most about reading your posts. The misogyny? The cynicism? Or maybe it's the persistent pessimism? Either way, you strike me as one of those people who always has to have the last word, so go for it. Ithink AmorPorFavor has got your number as someone who knows everything, but nothing nice.

ByeBye.

LOL. I do not know everything, but I have a lot of experience in a lot of areas and a lot of countries. And if there is something I want to know then I have no problem asking whoever. Many things I have had to learn the hard way, so excuse me for trying to warn the next mf not to fuck up the same way I did.

I am a realist, not any of that other stuff you are ascribing to me. In grad school we used to have to do a swot analysis. Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities, Threats. In the Navy we would say prepare for the worst, but hope for the best. Maybe you only subscribe to the hoping for the best part and looking at the strengths and opportunities, while not wanting to think about the drawbacks and downfalls. Good luck to you.

[AmorPorFavor]

You are right. I kind of stopped after that water bungalow in Maldives. Expensive cruise ships were porting in Puerto Plata too and there are expensive places to stay there, but that does not make it world class!

Cartagena is a very popular tourist destination unlike Medellin or Bogota. There is that better. There's a lot more to do than fuck hookers and millions of tourists were going there pre covid. https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/t...bia/index.html.

[Mr Enternational]

He kind of did it to himself though because he said the place he stayed at had a double cylinder lock so in order to leave the apartment he had to unlock the door from the inside with a key but he would always leave the key inside the lock so he wouldn't loose it and get locked inside.

Yeah rookie move. I always hide the key between the trashcan and liner or behind a picture frame.

[Mr Enternational]

I don't think you go to many nice world class tourist destinations. They are expensive. Those are the only places that I travel to. Who do you think stays in all the luxury expensive hotels in Boca and Laguito that don't allow chicas in. Plus all the expensive cruise ships that port there? Tourists with moneda.

You are right. I kind of stopped after that water bungalow in Maldives. Expensive cruise ships were porting in Puerto Plata too and there are expensive places to stay there, but that does not make it world class!

[Dublin12]

World class tourist destination? You sound like the Thai government in Pattaya saying they are about to make Pattaya rival Miami. Cartagena has a few old structures left over from the first Europeans that went to the place. If that makes it world class, then...

Safe is in the eyes of the beholder. You are asking that of someone that hangs out alone in downtown Medellin or Santa Fe in Bogota at 2 or 3 in the morming, something most guys on this board would not even do at high noon.

My buddies do not hang out in Cartagena. They all know that "world class tourist destination" only means that we are going to charge you more for shit that is cheaper everywhere else.

I really can't make up my mind what troubles me most about reading your posts. The misogyny? The cynicism? Or maybe it's the persistent pessimism? Either way, you strike me as one of those people who always has to have the last word, so go for it. Ithink AmorPorFavor has got your number as someone who knows everything, but nothing nice.

ByeBye.

[Elvis 2008]

I'm not sure if you know the story of the (former) United Sates Secret Service agent who got into a disagreement with hooker at the now infamous Hotel Caribe in Cartagena. He was on an advance team for when the president of the USA was going to be going down later for a meeting of the OSA. He and other Secret Service met up with some US DEA (Drug Enforcement Agency) guys who were working in Colombia (I used to spot them in the old La Dolce Vita in Laguito) so these agents were teaching him and some other Secret Service Agents about the "local talent". One Secret Service agent thought he could he could get out of paying this chica but she got the police involved and they were sympathetic to her. Prostitution is a legal profession there so they do not have to hide it and they can ask for police help.

Yeah, I figured I would read about this again having been to Colombia and now being skeptical of what went on in the American media: what I heard went on and what actually did are two different things. I thought that the police filed a complaint against a Secret Service officer and demanded that he pay up. When the SS agent did not pay, the hooker filed charges and the police contacted the American Embassy to complain. That is not what happened. After having been to Colombia, I was very skeptical the hotel and the police would side with a hooker over well to do cash rich Americans. I also did not know how much she asked for, and it was $800 for the night which we all know is fucking insane.

Here is a good account of what happened and is much more in line with what I have observed in Colombia:

https://www.washingtonian.com/2013/0...ne-year-later/

But on their way back to the hotel, Suarez claims, she stopped to buy condoms and told Huntington that if they were going to spend the night together, he'd have to give her "a gift" afterward. She says that when she named her price—$800—Huntington didn't flinch. They continued on to the hotel.

What happened next is a matter of dispute. Huntington's version, according to sources familiar with his claims, is that he never knew Suarez was a prostitute and he told her to leave when she asked for money. Suarez—who later wrote a book about her night with the agent—claimed there was no misunderstanding and that she had clearly set her price before she went to the hotel.

Huntington gave Suarez the equivalent of about $30 in local currency and demanded she get out. "Let's go, *****. I'm not going to pay you," he said, according to Suarez, and shoved her out the door.

Suarez banged on the door of Bongino's room, across the hall, where her friend—who didn't ask to be paid—had spent the night. Suarez demanded that Bongino come up with the money to pay her. Suarez said that she threatened to call the police and that Bongino pleaded with her not to. He eventually went from room to room, asking his Secret Service brothers for "scoots," the term they use for local currency, or any US dollars they could spare. Bongino came up with $250 in mixed currency and gave it to Suarez.

During the commotion, a Colombian police officer, apparently stationed on the hotel floor, inquired about the argument and told Bongino he should pay Suarez. There are conflicting accounts about whether the police officer was advocating for Suarez or merely suggesting to Bongino that he give her the money to keep her quiet. But once she had the money—about a third of what she claimed she was owed—Suarez left the hotel with her friend and got into a cab. They never reported the incident.

The manager of the Hotel Caribe, according to firsthand accounts, was incensed by a list of complaints about his boorish American guests. These didn't have to do with prostitution—which the hotel is accustomed to managing—but with loud partying at the swimming pool, broken glasses, and reports of dog feces littering public areas of the hotel and dog hair in beds.

The dogs' mess could be blamed on the Secret Service and military K-9 teams. The impromptu pool party was staged by a group of military service members, also staying at the hotel, who had trucked in their own alcohol, according to a source on the ground that night.

As the hotel was taking stock of the damages, the head of security for the Caribe called the US Embassy to report that a Colombian police officer had intervened in an altercation between a Secret Service agent, Bongino, and a local prostitute, Suarez.

End of quote.

It is funny how our fucking press got a hold of this and turned it into a woman who performed and got stiffed when the truth is that she was trying to rip this guy off.

And the notion of federal employees doing whatever the fuck they want and raising a commotion pissing off all the other guests is something I could certainly believe.

But the notion that the police were stumping for a working girl charging $800 a night is fucking crazy. The other crazy notion is that a hotel would back a hooker over a paying customer.

After reading this article though, this fits what I have seen in Colombia. I just shake my head at the way this story was reported in our media. It fucking cracks me up.

[Elvis 2008]

Just to clarify, I think my posts make it clear that I am not American. I am old. I am married (and I always make that clear). Why would anyone think that I am unaware that as far as the girl is concerned, this is anything other than a commercial transaction? Notwithstanding, that I prefer it to be commercial. In all the circumstances, all I am bringing to the party is my wallet.

As far as diminishing returns are concerned, I'd allow her one off day, but after, she is no longer what I want and she's gone.

You are looking in the wrong place with hookers. If you want an arrangement, you go to seeking.com. You need a woman who is able to think in a long term kind of a way and all the hooker types do is think short term.

As for Venezuelans, they are notoriously short term minded given what has gone on in their country and the best Venezuelans do not go to Cucuta but get to Medellin, CTG, and Bogota where the bigger money is. I have actually found them to be much more short term oriented than Colombians but all in all, they have been a little bit better in bed.

I have done seeking.com and gotten longer term relationships like the ones you seek, but if you are getting a combination of looks, performance, and someone who is able to think long term, those are the types of women looking to better themselves via work or school or are relied upon by their family. Point is that you are not going to be able to find one who satisfies your needs. You will have to spread the wealth via two or three.

As for hotels, I would register a room and put down one of the women and (maybe both) after you have had done your interviews and tryouts with them.

All in all, CTG was the worst of the five cities I went to. I only found a few prospects there. I even dated Miss Cartagena from there, and she was a bit of a hothead. Character wise, Bogota was the best. Medellin had the best looking women but the least reliable. Barranquilla was much sparser but my three best fucks in all of Colombia were from there.

Anyway, my guess is that you are going to go into the hooker pool and wind up disappointed. The hooker types IMO do not do well with long term anything.

[Nypher]

You might be right. But what are the chances of them earning COP 7 million over the next four weeks? I might be misreading the situation, but every time I see a vid of the Clock Tower, I see supply far outstipping demand. From what I have read here, I think I could probably go there most nights and get TLN for 250-300 K. Are you telling me that of the hundreds of girls that are there every night, I wouldn't be able to find a few who would not find it attractive to not have to worry about finding a customer for the next four weeks?

I know the vids don't tell the whole story, but I'd bet that many of the girls seen in these will go home empty handed on many nights.

Its going to be very difficult for you to get a chica that will accept 250 k COP a day when that same chica can get 250 k COP per gringo she leche throughout the day. When the girls are at the Clock Tower, they are just putting in overtime. They already had 4 - 5 gringos earlier in the day and they are just seeing if they can make extra at night because that's when the gringos pay more. They can now charge higher for TLN. Remember, just because you see someone getting it for cheap does not mean that you will also get it for cheap.

Remember the chica will see you as you don't speak Spanish and you don't live there so how much can she get you to pay while tolerating you until the next gringo comes along. Gone are the days where we could pay the girl and she's willing to cook and clean for the monger without him asking because she was raised that way. Todays chicas who are just getting into the market are about extracting as much resources they can from a man before they become too old to get men's attention, most new chicas are aware their body has a time limit, and will try to leche you as fast as possible.

[Nypher]

Totally agree with you about the relative trustworthiness of Thais.

As I've already stated, I don't speak Spanish. But then again, I've never got that drunk on a monger trip, that I could not put myself to bed.

Yes there is always a chance you might be robbed down to the chica, and you know someone that happened to. How many people do you know that it hasn't happened to? And what are they going to get? On a good day after I've been to the ATM, maybe $300. By the time I've got home after night out, that might be $150 including the money for the girl. I have an old laptop, my phone, luggage, passport, a 35 year old Seiko watch and Debit card. Robbing me, will not change her way of life. I know you can't factor in the stupidity element, but if the door is opened from the inside, would the girl really think I would not figure out her role in this? But then again, you can never allow for the stupidity of desperation.

All this depends on the Monger and how he moves.

Many of these chicas live day to day. They only care what they can get from the foreigner that day because they know they may never see him again once she leaves the apartment.

So the questions are always the same; Where are you from? Where are you staying? When are you leaving? When the monger gives them answers to those 3 questions the chica can estimate how much money the monger makes that they can afford to travel to their country, how much money the monger is willing to spend to sleep in comfort, and how much time they have to extract resources from the monger.

Similar to Thailand, allot of the girls do not work in the area they live. They will travel in a group 2 - 4 minimum and take the hours long bus ride into Cartagena on Thursday and rent a room together. If 1 girl can get 1 gringo for the day, the room fee is covered. Any additional gringo is profit from there on so if they can do 5 - 6 gringos a day each then leave on Sunday afternoon back to where they are from. Then a chica may not come back for another month because she made so much money. If something goes wrong, by the time the monger wakes up, that girl is long gone and its hard to identify her if they met on the street. Mongers are getting smarter and asking for the Instagram profile just incase something happens they have photos of the girl. At least in Thailand the hotels make the girl leave her ID at the front desk and she cannot get that ID back until the monger gives the front desk the "all clear", they also make copies of her ID just in case something happens to the girl the cops know which monger she went to see so everyone is on their best behavior.

In my experience in Colombia, the hotels and the apartments I've stayed at with security, the girl can just leave, pick up her ID, and be on her way. Security don't call the mongers room to make sure everything is OK for her to leave, or require the monger to physically escort her to the front desk to pick up the ID.

[Nounce]

But I find it interesting that there is a total lack of consensus from all the people who have taken the trouble to reply. I'd guess that is because most people have the difficulty in thinking about limiting their choices so drastically as I am prepared to. Do. On the face of it, it may not make sense to them, but I know my limitations and past experiences.

I know I will start with 1 or 2 days, then extend if I enjoy it even if I have to pay more. If you can have one for 7 days, then why not have 4 for 28 days. Your solution is not a real solution because you are replacing one problem with another.

[Nypher]

What do you mean don't pay more than 50? A chair is either 4 or 12 depending on the style, not 20 or 50. You can get chairs and stuff from anywhere because the prices are regulated and supposed to be the same no matter who you get them from. I posted the prices from the government a while back and I shall post them again. If you are charged more than these prices there is a number listed here to call to report it.

I usually never pay attention to the prices and they just show up at the end with some large number written on a napkin saying that's the total. It wasn't until I had a local chica with me and she kept track of what was ordered to make sure I didn't get ripped off and by her doing that I make sure giver her a little extra and make her a regular whenever I visit.

With this info, now I don't need to bring sand to the beach to enjoy it.

[Nypher]

Did that robbery occur in Cartagena? Do you know of any like that in Cartagena? I would only stay in a place with security.

It happened in Centro, he stayed at a place with no security because he didn't want them constantly asking him for money every time he bring girls in. From the way he explained it, he found the girl over by the Scotia Bank where the bus stops and big Exito. They went back to to his place and they were drinking and doing shots. When he woke up, the girl was gone, his phone was gone, his wallet with all his cards was gone, all his pesos gone, his sneakers and his jerseys gone, even took his cologne jajaja. All he had left was his passport in the safe with $100. He was lucky it happened on his last night there and not his first day. He kind of did it to himself though because he said the place he stayed at had a double cylinder lock so in order to leave the apartment he had to unlock the door from the inside with a key but he would always leave the key inside the lock so he wouldn't loose it and get locked inside.

[AmorPorFavor]

World class tourist destination? You sound like the Thai government in Pattaya saying they are about to make Pattaya rival Miami. Cartagena has a few old structures left over from the first Europeans that went to the place. If that makes it world class, then...

Safe is in the eyes of the beholder. You are asking that of someone that hangs out alone in downtown Medellin or Santa Fe in Bogota at 2 or 3 in the morming, something most guys on this board would not even do at high noon.

My buddies do not hang out in Cartagena. They all know that "world class tourist destination" only means that we are going to charge you more for shit that is cheaper everywhere else.

I don't think you go to many nice world class tourist destinations. They are expensive. Those are the only places that I travel to. Who do you think stays in all the luxury expensive hotels in Boca and Laguito that don't allow chicas in. Plus all the expensive cruise ships that port there? Tourists with moneda.

[Mr Enternational]

Since you know everything can you tell us if Cartagena, a world class tourist destination, is safer than Medellin, Bogota or other parts of Columbia?

World class tourist destination? You sound like the Thai government in Pattaya saying they are about to make Pattaya rival Miami. Cartagena has a few old structures left over from the first Europeans that went to the place. If that makes it world class, then...

Safe is in the eyes of the beholder. You are asking that of someone that hangs out alone in downtown Medellin or Santa Fe in Bogota at 2 or 3 in the morming, something most guys on this board would not even do at high noon.

Do you have any buddies who were robbed or assaulted in Cartagena?

My buddies do not hang out in Cartagena. They all know that "world class tourist destination" only means that we are going to charge you more for shit that is cheaper everywhere else.