Safe Sex and Sex Related Discussions in Thailand

[Tvataham274]

Hmmmm.

But.

BUt.

BUT.

90% of the girls I bang are BB.

I rarely don't do BB, as I don't choose to bang the ones that won't.

Am I bragging in saying that?

I don't think so, as I'm not alone in that success rate.

Be I banging arounf my known traps in Rawai, or when traveling in say Bangkok or Hua Hin.

How do I get so much BB?

By knowing how to pick those that will, those that might, and those that won't but did anyway.

BTW.

I very very very rarely pick those that I know will go BB.

Especially avoiding those that openly and easily give it away.

I value my health too much for that.

Could you clarify? Are you saying that you pick girls who don't look like they would BB, but then convince them to do BB?

[ThaiGoodTimes]

I see no problem if someone posts they did bareback or covered, the problem is bragging. For example, if someone says they banged 90% of the girls in Pattaya and each one was bareback, I would consider that bragging and that post is a nuisance. On the other hand, if such a post stays online, the veterans will immediately realize that it is BS and know that other posts from that particular member are likely to also be BS.

Long ago I directly benefited from such posts, when I did my first mongering visit to Bangkok and experienced only CBJ and CFS my first 2 sessions. I posted what happened and other members flagged that BBBJ is usually available all over Thailand. Of course, I know that now and suspected it at the time, but I benefited directly from that discussion.

Hmmmm.

But.

BUt.

BUT.

90% of the girls I bang are BB.

I rarely don't do BB, as I don't choose to bang the ones that won't.

Am I bragging in saying that?

I don't think so, as I'm not alone in that success rate.

Be I banging arounf my known traps in Rawai, or when traveling in say Bangkok or Hua Hin.

How do I get so much BB?

By knowing how to pick those that will, those that might, and those that won't but did anyway.

BTW.

I very very very rarely pick those that I know will go BB.

Especially avoiding those that openly and easily give it away.

I value my health too much for that.

[EihTooms]

Again, I think it's a good policy to not talk about it either way. Folks that use condoms don't want to constantly read about those who don't in every post or report they put up. In turn, those that don't would rather not hear any preaching about condoms.

I think "preaching" on this website can only apply to posts denigrating or shaming others for not engaging in what they personally deem to be safe sex practices. Wearing condoms ranking high on that list. Perhaps for everything as some punters and many providers certainly argue, right?

Bearing in mind a notable percentage of people in the world consider anything other than strict monogamy and definitely P4 P as "unsafe sex. " Which, if we followed what they think is a good policy this website would not exist at all.

There are posters on the Pattaya Reports forum right now promoting and supporting the idea that "you don't want to kiss" working girls, presumably on the basis that there is something unsafe or disgusting about it and not on the basis that it risks both of you being swept off your feet in love because of it.

Where would "preaching" about supposedly safe sex end on a website like this?

Which is why the Policies & Guidelines here go to great lengths on the issue of "bragging about safe sex practices" as a violation but has virtually nothing to say about mentioning any sexual behavior that is legal.

Moreover, they even go on to explain why my or anyone else's comments or reports about getting bareback sex does not prevent anyone opposed to it from continuing to wear a condom for anything and everything with everyone everytime, avoid DFK, BBBJ or, for that matter, to avoid P4 P altogether if that is what you deem to be safe.

[HorseTrader]

Again, I think it's a good policy to not talk about it either way. Folks that use condoms don't want to constantly read about those who don't in every post or report they put up. In turn, those that don't would rather not hear any preaching about condoms.

I see no problem if someone posts they did bareback or covered, the problem is bragging. For example, if someone says they banged 90% of the girls in Pattaya and each one was bareback, I would consider that bragging and that post is a nuisance. On the other hand, if such a post stays online, the veterans will immediately realize that it is BS and know that other posts from that particular member are likely to also be BS.

Long ago I directly benefited from such posts, when I did my first mongering visit to Bangkok and experienced only CBJ and CFS my first 2 sessions. I posted what happened and other members flagged that BBBJ is usually available all over Thailand. Of course, I know that now and suspected it at the time, but I benefited directly from that discussion.

[Goatscrot]

Only one of those types of bragging are cited as violations of this website's Policies & Guidelines.

And it is understandable why, imo.

If a poster responds to a question about what the service is like at Such-and-Such Happy Ending PSE Shop, is he "bragging" to reply that it's great, he gets rimming, anal, cum on face, everything he wants with every girl in that shop every time?

Or is he merely replying by relating his experience there?

Similar to gilolo's reply to a poster's question.

The Policies & Guidelines here go to great lengths and into great detail about what is different about bragging about engaging in safe sex practices, denigrating others who don't and why doing so is futile anyway. I don't think any other issue is dealt with so thoroughly.

On the other hand, again, I have yet to locate the Policy or Guideline here prohibiting the mention of getting BBFSCIP or any other sex act deemed unsafe by anyone else, particularly as a reply to a specific question about it rather than as a field report dedicated solely to where to get that, uncovered anal sex or, under some circumstances, DFK, COF, Rimming, etc.

Again, I think it's a good policy to not talk about it either way. Folks that use condoms don't want to constantly read about those who don't in every post or report they put up. In turn, those that don't would rather not hear any preaching about condoms.

[EihTooms]

I think it's a good policy. Shouldn't be bragging about either or.

Only one of those types of bragging are cited as violations of this website's Policies & Guidelines.

And it is understandable why, imo.

If a poster responds to a question about what the service is like at Such-and-Such Happy Ending PSE Shop, is he "bragging" to reply that it's great, he gets rimming, anal, cum on face, everything he wants with every girl in that shop every time?

Or is he merely replying by relating his experience there?

Similar to gilolo's reply to a poster's question.

The Policies & Guidelines here go to great lengths and into great detail about what is different about bragging about engaging in safe sex practices, denigrating others who don't and why doing so is futile anyway. I don't think any other issue is dealt with so thoroughly.

On the other hand, again, I have yet to locate the Policy or Guideline here prohibiting the mention of getting BBFSCIP or any other sex act deemed unsafe by anyone else, particularly as a reply to a specific question about it rather than as a field report dedicated solely to where to get that, uncovered anal sex or, under some circumstances, DFK, COF, Rimming, etc.

[Goatscrot]

I wouldn't want to violate that Policy or Guideline either. But, honestly, I can't find an entry in the Policies & Guidelines section prohibiting or even addressing the acts of inquiring about or bragging about avoiding safe sex practices.

I do see an entry prohibiting bragging about engaging in safe sex practices and quite a bit about not denigrating others for not engaging in safe sex practices though.

Do I just keep missing it in the Policies & Guidelines section? Can you please quote the exact passage where the former Guideline is mentioned rather than the latter?

Thanks much.

I think it's a good policy. Shouldn't be bragging about either or.

[EihTooms]

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I wouldn't want to violate that Policy or Guideline either. But, honestly, I can't find an entry in the Policies & Guidelines section prohibiting or even addressing the acts of inquiring about or bragging about avoiding safe sex practices.

I do see an entry prohibiting bragging about engaging in safe sex practices and quite a bit about not denigrating others for not engaging in safe sex practices though.

Do I just keep missing it in the Policies & Guidelines section? Can you please quote the exact passage where the former Guideline is mentioned rather than the latter?

Thanks much.

[HorseTrader]

I imagine factors such as age, existing health conditions, whether you're married, etc. Will affect your appetite for risk.

One of the biggest factors is if you can maintain a boner and finish using a condom. For many, it’s no condom or no sex.

[Thomas9]

My question is about oral sex and condom use. I read and understood that the vast majority of people receive and give oral sex without a condom, I think it feels risky, not only in terms of HIV, but other sexually transmitted diseases. Can you who are more experienced help me understand how you think and reason. I'm going to Bangkok and Pattaya for the first time soon and don't really know how to approach it.

It's all down to personal risk tolerance. Some people are afraid to leave the house. Others enjoy skydiving. Some avoid sex before marriage. Others like to enjoy regular BBFSCIP with strangers.

Taking an international flight in itself carries some risks, including long term health risks. And then there's the risk of taking a taxi in Thailand. Not to mention the air pollution in Bangkok.

My advice would be to read up on the risks (ideally from somewhere with scientific backed data, rather than anecdotes on this forum), and then weigh the risks and make your decision. I imagine factors such as age, existing health conditions, whether you're married, etc. Will affect your appetite for risk.

I will also say that I expect you will be heavily tempted to cross a few of your own personal lines once you are in Thailand.

Know the risks, prepare, but also: enjoy!

[PPeterr]

Hi,

First post on this forum, but I've read a lot and really appreciate everyone's willingness to share their knowledge and experiences. Thanks for that.

My question is about oral sex and condom use. I read and understood that the vast majority of people receive and give oral sex without a condom, I think it feels risky, not only in terms of HIV, but other sexually transmitted diseases. Can you who are more experienced help me understand how you think and reason. I'm going to Bangkok and Pattaya for the first time soon and don't really know how to approach it.

Thanks for all the experience.

[Vendelo]

Anyone know of any reputable STI clinic in Pattaya?

Haven't engaged in any unprotected FS, but have done plenty BBBJ. Have a bump on the johnson, hopefully is nothing, but I want to make sure of it.

Any info helps.

Thanks.

Is it the size of a pinhead? It may multiply quickly. HPV filiform wart. Doc will burn it off.

[Member #4838]

Anyone know of any reputable STI clinic in Pattaya?

Haven't engaged in any unprotected FS, but have done plenty BBBJ. Have a bump on the johnson, hopefully is nothing, but I want to make sure of it.

Any info helps.

Thanks.

[EihTooms]

Excerpt from study.

"Factors that may decrease the risk include condom use, male circumcision, antiretroviral treatment, and pre-exposure prophylaxis. None of these factors are accounted for in the estimates presented in the table."

This is somewhat confusing. I may be misinterpreting but it seems that the study didn't take into account condom use which is what we are discussing.

Over to you ET.

The comment about what may increase or decrease "risk" of transmission is standard and necessary. It is also separate from the topic of the studies, IMO.

As I read it, all of those figures are based on "exposures", which is defined in the first sentence of the report this way:

"The risk of getting HIV varies widely depending on the type of exposure or behavior (such as sharing needles or having sex without a condom)."

As is the case with every other act listed in that report, such as needle sticks, an "exposure" would mean direct contact without protection.

If they actually studied sexual acts and published results where they had no idea whether 10% or 100% of the respondents had been using condoms with every act or never with any act of Oral, Anal or Vaginal Sex asked about, they would have no basis on which to suggest one takes a higher or lower risk to wear one.

[Franciscass]

I don't know about the SFCITYCLINIC.ORG source regarding the risk of various STDs per sex act but the Center For Disease Control produced a list showing the risk of getting HIV per sex act with an HIV-Positive partner. See link below.

For example, a man would have 4 chances in 10,000 or, put another way, 1 chance in 2,500 acts of bareback Vaginal Intercourse with an HIV-Positive woman of being infected by HIV (or engaging in bareback Vaginal Intercourse with 2,500 different HIV-Positive women, I suppose).

However, those figures don't account for co-factors such as whether or not the 1 case out of 2,500 exposures involved a man who was circumsized, did he have an open sore on his penis while engaging in bareback Vaginal Intercouse with his HIV-Positive partner/s, perhaps from another STD infection or, for that matter, how about the possibility that 1 or more gay men per 10,000 survey, research and study subjects simply lied about his being heterosexual and how he must have gotten HIV from engaging in bareback Vaginal Intercourse with a woman and certainly not from engaging in bareback Receptive Anal Sex with an HIV-Positive partner or 10.

According to these CDC studies, the risk of a male or female being infected by HIV from either giving or receiving bareback Oral Sex from an HIV-Positive partner is too Low to warrant a number.

Excerpt from study.

"Factors that may decrease the risk include condom use, male circumcision, antiretroviral treatment, and pre-exposure prophylaxis. None of these factors are accounted for in the estimates presented in the table."

This is somewhat confusing. I may be misinterpreting but it seems that the study didn't take into account condom use which is what we are discussing.

Over to you ET.